MK avait plus ou moins dit que nul, y compris Talos ou Vivec, ne l'avait atteint. Et la, il nous lâche que si, avec quelques numéros en rapport avec les sermons, quelques anciennes citations, des trucs de Skyrim, et si ça se trouve même de Redguard, voire Daggerfall. Autant dire qu'il prévoyait son coup. Il y a une discussion qui fait actuellement 5 sujet de 8 pages de 30 messages. Ok, je suis gentil, je vous ait tout synthétisé.
Malheuresement, il y a trop de balises de citations, donc ce résumé n'est visible que sur mon profil ou sur ce framapad.
D'abord, Le mini résumé des trucs de Kirkbride, puis les citations. ensuite...
EDIT : le résumé est trop long, même pour le framapad. Il ne reste donc que sur mon profil qu'on peut trouver la version complète,
SeriousFace
Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:06 PM
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:30 PM
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Accumulated Kirkbride Klues:
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No one has achieved Amaranth yet.*
(Toesock, sorry you took offense at the description of the demise of Barfok.)
*Except for the one being or idea that no one has found yet, which is still just sitting there.
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It's been a named thing/person/idea for a long time. And it's not something that exists only in Obscure Texts, as that would be cheating.
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It's right strange that Nir is only mentioned once, innit now?
Closer.
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"Funny that "Nir" in dragon-talk is "hunt"."
Great find.
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Do you know who else is missing?
"Nirn (Female/Land/Freedom catalyst for birth-death of enantiomorph)/ Anu-Padomay (enantiomorph with requisite betrayal)/ ?* (Witnessing Shield-thane who goes blind or is maimed and thus solidifies the wave-form; blind/maimed = = final decision)
*Seek and you shall find. I hid it."
Closer and closer.
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29. 2. 9. 11. 7. 18.
Then it gets all messed up with 4.5.
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Off to bed, but it's a locked room mystery.
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Quick rundown:
1) A person, place, or thing has achieved Amaranth, the New Existence
2) This annoying MK person says that the original creation, Nir, the Enantiomorphic witness figure, and a buncha numbers are important to locating said Amaranth
3) But he never said that this Amaranth dreamt the Aurbis as we know it, so why the importance of 2?
4) Whoa, the cops are coming again
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"So Amaranth is not the Dreamer, is that confirmation?"
Not that Dreamer, no. The Amaranth has jumped past Tamriel, as in the purpose of the Loveletter.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:52 PM
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(Toesock, sorry you took offense at the description of the demise of Barfok.)
*Except for the one being or idea that no one has found yet, which is still just sitting there.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:25 PM
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Would this one thing be a named person/concept, or an idea which we'd describe? It feels that the latter is just beyond arm's reach, while the former continues to elude me.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:28 PM
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Lady Nerevar
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:42 PM
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Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:45 PM
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Closer.
SeriousFace
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:46 Pm
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Because the other thread has exceeded the post limit and this topic deserves its own.
And what fun this is! I love a good scavenge. Let's enumerate the previous thread's suspects.
The Allessian "One"
Godhead
Dreamsleeve
Dagoth Ur
Mankar Camoran
Language
Peryite
Numidium
Love
Mnemoli
Hun'Ding
Player Characters
Cyrus
Sotha Sil
Anu
Alandro Sul
Allessia
Nerevar
Auriel
Magnus
Hist
Nu Mantia
Nirn
M'aiq the Liar
It's someone we know, someone or something that has appeared in the official games, even. It "won't feel like a letdown." Some say that it must be mortal. Is it a person or an idea? Both? Whom do we know who is known for sleeping? For dreaming? For being in another state of consciousness?
Break out the heavy books, I think (and rather hope) it's going to be a long night.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:01 PM
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Funny that "Nir" in dragon-talk is "hunt".
Great find.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:47 PM
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Do you know who else is missing?
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*Seek and you shall find. I hid it.
Provient d'ici
Closer and closer.
Lady Nerevar
Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:52 PM
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MK must be choking on his own laughter.
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Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:52 PM
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blind/maimed...sensory deprivation and hallucination?
I love it when you people work together.
SithisLorkhan
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:01 AM
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The Elder Scrolls collective? Or a single entity charged with their keeping? Or some conglomerate being that they form the myriad protuberances of?
MK says that Ada-Mantia is a Scrollcase.
The Scrolls are Towers.
Lady Nerevar
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:02 AM
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These numbers, these concepts that make up the world, bear witness to what made them.
SithisLorkhan
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:14 AM
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But it must be referring to itself! There are 36 numbers, each assigned the meaning and a second number, each corresponding to a particular Sermon, this Sermon was placed here because it was 29, the 29th, Captive Sage, 217.
Two, One, and Seven Et'Ada created Mundus.
Two gods in the Enantiomorph (Akatosh, Lorkhan).
One Observer (Magnus).
Seven Aedra outside of the Enantiomorph (Zenithar, Stendarr, Dibella, Mara, Kynareth, Arkay, Julianos)
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:16 AM
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Then it gets all messed up with 4.5.
blai5000
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:21 AM
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The Captive Sage
The Enantiomorph
The Missing
The Sword at the Center
The Egg, or Six times the Wise
Something about the Corners, which gets messed up.
29
68
11
39
18
Something messed up with 242 or 100?
Toesock
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:30 AM
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It's Kirkbridian math:
29 = 2 + 9 =11 + 7 = 18.
Lets put this together.
The Captive Sage = The Enantiomorph + The Missing = The Number of the Master + The Sword at the Center = The Egg, or Six Times the Wise.
With the point between The Corners of House of Troubles and The Corners of the World.
Are you trollin'?
SithisLorkhan
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:37 AM
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If Nir is the polar opposite to ???, on the perpendicular axis to A/P's light and dark, and Nir means hunt in Dragontongue, what would we call the opposite of to hunt? To cultivate? To flee? To protect?
To hunt is to kill something for nourishment. The opposite would be to kill yourself to feed others. Sacrifice.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:07 AM
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Off to bed, but it's a locked room mystery.
Lady Nerevar
Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:17 AM
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The Amaranth is what allows for the existence of all this creation business.
It is whoever else was present at that enantiomorphic moment. This is what gets me - someone lost or so obvious I'm looking straight past.
His identity is in the numbers, I think, though it beats me how.
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:35 AM
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1) A person, place, or thing has achieved Amaranth, the New Existence
2) This annoying MK person says that the original creation, Nir, the Enantiomorphic witness figure, and a buncha numbers are important to locating said Amaranth
3) But he never said that this Amaranth dreamt the Aurbis as we know it, so why the importance of 2?
4) Whoa, the cops are coming again
Merry Eyesore the Elk
Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:53 AM
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So Amaranth is not the Dreamer, is that confirmation?
Not that Dreamer, no. The Amaranth has jumped past Tamriel, as in the purpose of the Loveletter.
Toesock
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:27 PM
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The "captive sage" consists of the enantiomorph and the missing (the missing the witness I presume)
The sum of the enantiomorph and missing witness is "the number of the master" (i.e. 1 and 1, sharmat and hortator, possibly another representation of enantiomorph) 11 is considered a "master number" in numerology as well. http://www.tokenrock...ter_numbers.php
The number of the master, 1+1=11, combined with the sword at the center (amaranth?) = the egg or six times the wise (I'm thinking about vivec's egg, or argonian egg-cracking)
The next number is 4.5, halfway between aedra and daedra, the egg divided by four.
SeriousFace
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:30 PM
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:14 PM
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Does this puzzle have something to do with this one :
http://forums.bethso...st__p__19037086
http://forums.bethso...st__p__19051230
Probably not. Lady N and the Elk have expressed disapproval of taking the Summoning Day Letters seriously, so unless they're playing a very cunning game of subterfuge, it's probably unrelated.
Toesock
Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:22 PM
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The lover is the highest country and a series of beliefs. He is the sacred city bereft of a double. The uncultivated land of monsters is the rule. This is clearly attested by ANU and his double, which love knows never really happened. Similarly, all the other symbols of absolute reality are ancient ideas ready for their graves, or at least the essence of such. This scripture is directly ordered by the codes of Mephala, the origin of sex and murder, defeated only by those who take up those ideas without my intervention. The religious elite is not a tendency or a correlation. They are dogma complemented by the influence of the untrustworthy sea and the governance of the stars, dominated at the center by the sword, which is nothing without a victim to cleave unto. This is the love of God and he would show you more: predatory but at the same time instrumental to the will of critical harvest, a scenario by which one becomes as he is, of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite.”
I find that difficult to interpret.
There is a part of the Loveletter that deals with that paragraph:
We begin to see the first inkling of emergence, which by its nature requires the merging of two-fold powers. Inevitably, this leads to another gradient, but this time by forceful process: the Trap of the Lunar God. The Aedra are Named at this time, having lent their hands to what was to be the arena of the eternally impossible: Mundus, or Exactness.
Oblivion to Mundus: debris of all possibility to anchor of all things.
Actually, that possibly refers to the creation of the world and the deaths that were necessary to bring it into being.
Also, perhaps 4.5, halfway between the corners of creation and the troubles, represents the new universe.
Phoenix_Neko
Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:01 PM
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Merry Eyesore the Elk, on 01 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:
No one has achieved Amaranth yet.*
*Except for the one being or idea that no one has found yet, which is still just sitting there.
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You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death.
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The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.
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The New Man becomes God becomes Amaranth, everlasting hypnogogic.
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It's been a named thing/person/idea for a long time. And it's not something that exists only in Obscure Texts, as that would be cheating.
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Sermon Twenty-Nine said:
30. The Scarab. 10
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2) This annoying MK person says that the original creation, Nir, the Enantiomorphic witness figure, and a buncha numbers are important to locating said Amaranth
3) But he never said that this Amaranth dreamt the Aurbis as we know it, so why the importance of 2?
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Magne-Ge Pantheon said:
He is the Fore-Dawn and watcher of the Y. That their resiliency has been tampered with since the Blur is a curse that has vexed his mind into near-immobility. If Scarab-Framer could achieve the insight that escapes him still, the Y might repopulate itself, free of all evil.
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Mythic Dawn Commentaries, vol. 3 said:
By the Book, take this key and pierce the divine shell that encloses the mantle-takers! The skin of gold! SCARAB AE AURBEX!
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Hallucinations become lucid under His eye and therefore, like all parents of their children, the Amaranth cherishes and adores all that is come from Him.
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'The eyelid of the kingdom shall fill thirty and six folios, but the eye shall read the world.'
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We pledge ourselves to you, the Frame-maker, the Scarab: a world for us to love you in, a cloak of dirt to cherish. Betrayed by your ancestors when you were not even looking.
Luagar2
Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:34 PM
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A thought- if we're looking for something opposite to Nir, Khajiit myth paints Nirni and Azurah as enemies and rivals... is it possible this is relevant?
Probably not, but I feel like we're running low on ideas here.That crossed my mind as well, but Azura wouldn't really fit the bill. Then I wondered about "Second Secret and taught them the value of secrets", but that would be highly lame nor is it really named.
Toesock
Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:26 PM
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Nine spikes, there are eight planets.
Edit: the three orbs surrounding the cycle are M, G and S.
Masser and Secunda anyone? Note that the M is in fact bigger than the S. Now the third one is one massive thing. You see two crescent moons in front of one another, thats when the Mane is born (well, full, although I assume the crescent is only there for symbolisms sake. since theyre two crescent moons back to back). One side has the G with fancy symbolism the other sends a scarab in the cycle (or at least I think thats what it looks like.
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Hmm.. the moons are always there. Maimed? Close to Nirn?
The moons are the corpse of Lorkhan. They came into being after his death at convention. They couldn't be the original witness.
Toesock
Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:42 PM
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Very likely, did Kirkbride react to the notion?
Also, whats the meaning behind six times the wise? Because I see six spikes on surrounding the G in the oghma and I cant tell if my conspiracy goggles are on.
Lady Nerevar said it was "accidentally important"...
I believe the wise refers to the tribunal, ie 3. 3 time 6 is 18, which is the number for that sentence.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:05 PM
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Also, anyone know what the sequence of numbers he gave at the beginning was?
He's just playing around with 29.
2 and 9 come from splitting it up.
11 is from adding 2 and 9.
7 is from subtracting 2 from 9.
18 is from multiplying 2 and 9.
4.5 is from dividing 2 into 9.
Neradac
Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:42 PM
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As for the observer: has this been identified yet? http://i.imgur.com/5cQ6o.jpg Moths, everywhere.
Merry Eysore the Elk
Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:45 PM
Modifié par Sifraël, 11 novembre 2012 - 19:05.