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[Yovo790]

Hello,

Every time I come back to play Daggerfall, the same problem occurs. That is when I'm doing quests, it comes to a point where when I finish the quest and go to click the reward and click exit the game freezes. It doesn't crash, but to close it I have to alt-tab and close it manually.

My problem is exactly the same as this guy : http://forums.uesp.n...php?f=2&t=34324 ; http://forums.uesp.n...php?f=2&t=26747

I've been speaking to Ancestral Ghost and trying to narrow down as to what causes this bug.

+Also on a note, tried to skip quests with rewards but after around 170 days of travel the game freezes anyways.

EDIT Ancestral Ghost :
Ce post concerne un bug qui fait cracher le jeu au moment d'obtenir une récompense à une quête secondaire. Ce bug semble être irréversible en plus. Il serait lié à un contenu optionnel fourni avec DaggerfallSetup. Le but est de trouver lequel. Si vous avez eu ce crash, merci de nous donner toutes information qui pourrait aider à le débusquer :
- Quels contenus optionnels de DaggerfallSetup avez vous installés ?
- Sur quelle quête a eu lieu le crach la première fois ? (Liste complète des quêtes)
- A quel date en jeu vous crashez ?
- Qu'avez vous fait avant et pendant le déroulement de cette quête ?
- Où en êtes vous dans la quête principale ?
- Toute autre information qui peut vous sembler utile.

This post is on the crash crash which occur when you receive a reward from quest. This bug seem come from one DaggerfallSetup optional content. We want find it and fix it.
We need all possible informations from as many players as possible for investigate  :
- Were Unofficial contents installed ? And which ones ?
- What was the first freezed quest for you ? (Full quests list)
- What was the ingame date of the crash ?
- What was the Reward ?
- What did you do before start this quest ?
- What did you do during this quest ?
- Any other useful information.

Vous pouvez répondre en anglais ou français.

[Ancestral Ghost]

Previous informations, Investigation continue here :

Spoiler

Yovo790 dit :

[...]

The issue that I keeps occuring to me is where I guard <name> for the mage's guild and go to receive the reward, I click on it to bring it into my inventory and when I go to exit, the game freezes, my weapon drawn and visible in my inventory.

[...]

As with which quest is the culprit for the crash, I'm not so sure but this is exactly what I did up to the crash.

Created a new character.
-Custom built
-Answer a list of questions

Died to the first rat (yes lol)
Remade the same character face and all
-Got stats close to the same before
-Started with two ebony daggers ^.^ and two books (I think its a glitch with the memory in dosbox)

Left the cave and made my way to a nearby town.
-Joined the mages guild
-Bought spells
-Did only 3 kinds of quests for the mages guild
  -http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Open_a_Chest
  -http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Protect_an_Honored_Mage
  -http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:A_Dangerous_Wizard

Soon got the letter from both Morgiah and Lady Brisienna
-Went to see Lady Brisienna
Traveled to the City of Daggerfall
-Bought more spells
-Did more mage guild quests.
+Also did http://www.uesp.net/...ll:The_Impostor
-Did more http://www.uesp.net/...an_Honored_Mage

Game now freezes with any reward from any quest.

[...]

Quests after Brisienna was i think 1-3 quests of guarding.

Spells I bought the second time were
-recall
-invisibility
-levitate
-water breathing
-force bolt
-orc strength
-cure disease
-heal

RomeoDragonface dit :

[...]

So, what's the matter? After I return from completing a quest, I talk to the quest giver and an inventory screen appears in which I can receive the reward for the related quest (the thieves guild sometimes gives me much less gold than what they promised despite the success), but when I go to exit via the red button on the screen or with the escape key, the game freezes.

This does not seem to be the case with all quests, and constantly reloading my game does not help with the ones in which this issue is encountered while they're still in progress. This has also occurred with the Fighter's Guild (possibly in another town.)

[...]

First, it happened in a dungeon at random (the last dungeon I visited), and then with the whole issue of not being able to exit the inventory screen upon receiving the reward (even if I don't take it.)

[...]

On top of this, I understand that my personal experience with this bug written here is scant on detail - I will review the problem when I am done editing the videos and I can perhaps show someone them when they are uploaded on Youtube so that they can have a look for themselves.

[...]

One thing I know I will look out for when editing is whether or not this bug affects only a specific range of quests (e.g. CompUSA Edition Quests.)
I will also empty my wagon a little more.

Current conclusions :
This bug come from one DaggerfallSetup optional content, but Which one ?

Following mage's guild quest aren't changed by DaggerfallSetup contents :
- Open a Chest
- Protect an honored Mage
- A Dangerous Wizard
"The Impostor" quest is only changed in DFQFIX since the December 2012 version, ... but the bug is older.
The bug don't seem come from a secondary quest.

Maybe it is from :
- The Main Quest and Brisienna meeting ?
- A spell ?
- The reward object ?
- A Fall.exe related content ?

[Sifraël]

Juste pour faire remarquer que j'avais eu un truc qui ressemblait à ça. Depuis j’évite les quêtes de "tuer tant de harpies", et aucune quête de la guilde des guerriers (ni des mages ni celles données par les Nobles/Marchands/Autres) n'a plus buggué. Après, je ne suis pas sûr d'avoir fait toutes les quêtes possibles donc...

Je crois que j'avais toujours déjà rencontré Brisennia lorsque j'ai eu le bug, mais je vais toujours la voir aussi vite que possible ; ça ne confirme rien non plus.
Quand aux sorts/récompenses, je ne me rappelle de rien en particulier. C'était généralement de l'or, et ça suivait la quête des harpies les deux-trois fois où ça m'est arrivé.

[abg]

Sifraël :
Est-ce que le crash est lié au fait de dormir/rester sur place après avoir tué les harpies (ou quoi que ce soit que demande la quête) ?
Est-ce qu'avec la quête "tuer 5 harpies" tu as échoué par timeout (délai de quête écoulé) alors que tu étais au travail dans le donjon ?

Je demande ça car j'ai été aussi confronté à des problèmes de crash en fin de quête lorsque je testais le script de la quête publiée ici. A priori c'est lié au nettoyage final qui accompagne l'instruction de script de fin de quête : Lorsque le jeu reçoit un "end quest" et fait le ménage (suppression des cadavres, des objets et PNJs de quête...etc.), il semble que ça plante parfois si le PJ est encore dans la cell où se trouve le bazar à nettoyer.
Pour la quête du pèlerin, j'ai grossièrement tourné la difficulté en mettant un délai de sept jours avant le "end quest", tablant sur le fait que les chances d'avoir encore le PJ dans les pattes, sur place et à ce moment, étaient très réduites (surtout vu que le scénario place la confrontation avec le boss en extérieur et non au fond d'un donjon où le PJ peut s'égarer pendant des jours^^).

A noter qu'un "end quest" se produit aussi si le délai de quête est dépassé. Dans le cadre d'une quête comme celle des harpies, c'est même, à y réfléchir et avec le script sous les yeux, la situation la plus propre à provoquer le crash (Le PJ étant sur place avec des objets/créatures de quête dans la cell courante au moment du "end quest")...

Si mon hypothèse est bonne, c'est un bug moteur. Il n'y a pas grand chose à faire, à part modifier tous les scripts pour mettre un gros délai avant les "end quest" et prier pour que le PJ ne traine plus dans les parages...

[Sifraël]

abg, le 02 février 2013 - 15:38, dit :

Sifraël :
Est-ce que le crash est lié au fait de dormir/rester sur place après avoir tué les harpies (ou quoi que ce soit que demande la quête) ?
Est-ce qu'avec la quête "tuer 5 harpies" tu as échoué par timeout (délai de quête écoulé) ?

Non, mais (même si je ne me rappelle plus exactement) il ne fait aucun doute que j'ai dormi dans le donjon une fois les ennemis tuées. Soit pour ressortir, soit pour restaurer la magicka nécessaire au sort de rappel.

[abg]

Sifraël, le 02 février 2013 - 15:43, dit :

abg, le 02 février 2013 - 15:38, dit :

Sifraël :
Est-ce que le crash est lié au fait de dormir/rester sur place après avoir tué les harpies (ou quoi que ce soit que demande la quête) ?
Est-ce qu'avec la quête "tuer 5 harpies" tu as échoué par timeout (délai de quête écoulé) ?

Non, mais (même si je ne me rappelle plus exactement) il ne fait aucun doute que j'ai dormi dans le donjon une fois les ennemis tuées. Soit pour ressortir, soit pour restaurer la magicka nécessaire au sort de rappel.

Donc tu as fait la quête, tu es rentré à la guilde et c'est en touchant la récompense que le jeu a crashé ? Tu n'étais donc pas dans la cell des harpies ? Techniquement, le "end quest" n'a été envoyé qu'au moment du débriefing, loin du donjon et des harpies...

Le script de M0B1XY01.QBN (quête des harpies pour la G.Guerriers) ne contient rien de particulièrement exotique. C'est d'ailleurs grosso-modo le même pour toutes les quêtes "kill the beasts"...

Dans ce cas, mon explication ne tient pas et... je ne sais pas

[Ancestral Ghost]

Apparemment, ça vient bien d'un contenu ajouté dans DaggerfallSetup, voir dans le PFD. Ce bug n'a pas été reporté pour le jeu seul. J'ai vérifié l'intégrité du jeu seul de DaggerfallSetup, elle est bonne.

[maddog]

I'm using the wiwiland.net DOSbox-configured download from November 2012 (Thanks!) running on Windows 7.

For me this bug seems to occur after I join the Thieves' Guild. Then I can get one or two quests in - Thieves' Guild or Noble and then it'll crash or else just hang up making funny noises. It's crashed on Thieves: Hot Stone,  Arms Supply.
And Noble Quest: The Thieves Gang.
On two occasions it has crashed shortly after I am done with the quests and going about my business.
These were: Thieves': Drugs Delivery and Thieves': Hot Stone. In one case it crashed when I tried to enter an inn or
fast travel (after reloading after the inn crash). In the other case (Drugs Delivery), I managed to fast travel to another
town, sell some items and then it crashed when I tried to fast travel again.

Another crash/hang that happens to me is when I ask for "Any News?". That happened from early on in my game
so I just quit asking that question.

I then tried reloading a much earlier savegame. I then joined the Thieves' Guild and
the same thing happened even though I had previously completed several quests from that save game point safely.
I've tried it with cheatmode 1 and cheatmode 0.

Note: My game has one other "bug" which I don't mind but which may matter. I am not a werewolf or a vampire, but my Running
skill is 121 and still rising. I wonder if the game might get confused by that.

Another thing is that I had used the tes2 tool to fix a previous buggy quest (Exorcism). But that was a LONG time before my crashes. And I did use FIXSAVE a couple of times.

Thanks for your efforts! I really appreciate having the game in DOSBOX-ready form. I hope that you can find the bug.
I'll let you know if I learn anything more. I plan to try going back to my earlier savegame and avoiding the
Thieves' Guild altogether to see if that helps. I'm suspicious that the Thieves' Guild Acceptance Quest is somehow polluting my game.

Followup - My problems are occurring now when I'm Level 23 (or for my restored older savegame Level 22).
I would be very surprised if this was a problem with the Lady Brisienna quest alone. Also I'm Level 6 in the Mages Guild
so I did a lot of Mage's Guild quests safely before this problem occurred.

Also I tried going to different provinces to do my quests after joining the Thieves Guild.
Join Guild in Dragontail Mtns. Crashy Quests in: Kozonset or in Sentinel
For restarted early game: Join Guild in Wayrest, Quests in Savaudon

Thanks again.

[abg]

Ancestral Ghost, le 02 février 2013 - 18:48, dit :

Apparemment, ça vient bien d'un contenu ajouté dans DaggerfallSetup, voir dans le PFD. Ce bug n'a pas été reporté pour le jeu seul. J'ai vérifié l'intégrité du jeu seul de DaggerfallSetup, elle est bonne.

Je soupçonne très fort le dernier DFQFIX (3.2) d'avoir vérolé un des scripts de la MQ. Reste à découvrir lequel.
La floraison d'appels à l'aide (ici et ailleurs) coïncide avec sa mise en ligne. De plus chaque joueur accuse une quête ou un arc de quêtes différent. Le genre de chose qui m'incite à soupçonner plutôt une interaction à la gomme du côté des globaux (variables et scripts S0000xxx)

Du coup, ça vaut peut-être le coup de rétrograder vers le DFQFIX 3.1...
Attention les quêtes en cours sont stockées dans la sauvegarde. Donc passer au fix 3.1 ne réparera pas une sauvegarde déjà planteuse.

[abg]

Ancestral Ghost, le 09 mars 2013 - 19:48, dit :

Si c'est bien ça, il faudrait surtout voir l'auteur pour qu'il corrige.

Le conseil visait surtout les joueurs, "en attendant mieux".
Quand à convaincre l'auteur, il nous faudra des arguments plus solides qu'un vague soupçon... J'y travaille...

[styphor]

I had a crash after receiving a letter from a courier from the princess of Wayrest for the first time. If I try to fast travel at all to anywhere in Wayrest the game freezes on arrival. I have not done Werebeast quest so the bug is not related to those crashes.

[RomeoDragonface]

Citation

For me this bug seems to occur after I join the Thieves' Guild. Then I can get one or two quests in - Thieves' Guild or Noble and then it'll crash or else just hang up making funny noises. It's crashed on Thieves: Hot Stone,  Arms Supply.
And Noble Quest: The Thieves Gang.
On two occasions it has crashed shortly after I am done with the quests and going about my business.
These were: Thieves': Drugs Delivery and Thieves': Hot Stone. In one case it crashed when I tried to enter an inn or
fast travel (after reloading after the inn crash). In the other case (Drugs Delivery), I managed to fast travel to another
town, sell some items and then it crashed when I tried to fast travel again.

These were the EXACT the circumstances when this freeze occured. I was a new member of the thieves guild, and it was one of these two quests which the game began to freeze, then started freezing for quests from other guilds (Etc. fighter's) before it started to freeze after fast-travelling. It's been a while since this bug occured to me, so I don't remember a lot, but this I certainly do. I believe I was able to discover that only certain quests were effected, or not. Or that it didn't matter if it was an original quest or a COMPusa edition one (or it did.) I don't remember too much.

What I ended up doing was uninstall and re-install, and the bug was gone. There is a way to save all of your character's information and put it back in with a new game, losing only your gold in bank, marked map locations, and guild memberships and ranks (you might be able to save that even.) Just record all character information from the in-game character screen and inventory, use save game editors such as Daghex2f.zip and the DAGEDIT that comes with AncestralGhost's version.

[Edhelion]

Je rencontre le même Type de problème.
Un premier personnage a vu ses quêtes crasher après l'acceptation de ses récompenses.
J'ai utilisé une plus vieilles sauvegarde pour éviter la quête qui faisait planter, rien a faire toutes les quêtes plantaient ensuite.
J'ai donc effacé les sauvegardes et recommencé un nouveau personnage.
La, les quêtes n'ont pas planté mais après une visite dans un tertre bien connu pour la quête principale et après la récompense obtenu, le jeu plantai après une date apparemment fixée (après le 6 onde-pluie je crois) Je pensai que c’était du au fast travel... pas du tout, puisque je me suis calé dans une auberge j'ai fait passé le temps et le plantage avait toujours lieu dans ces eaux la.

J'avais une sauvegarde d'un autre personnage, je me suis amusé a faire défiler le temps pour lui plantage a la même date.

Une petite idée en l'air. Je me demandai si c’était pas une histoire de réputation qui fait planter le jeu. Notez que j'y connais rien mais je suppose que la réputation doit être modifié avec le succès d'une quête d'une part et qu'avec le temps il me semble que les valeurs de réputations sont sensés se rapprocher de 0 d'autre part.


J'ignore si mon message servira, les données relevée étant bien pauvres et imprécises, je m'en excuse.

je viens de tester un truc bete. J'ai crée un perso je l'ai fait sortir du donjon initial, puis j'ai parcourru la baie d'illiac de long en large.
Le jeu a finit par planter au bout de 3 aller retour

[Ancestral Ghost]

Toute information est bonne a prendre, cette histoire de date par exemple est intéressante. Surtout si plusieurs personnages ont plantés à la même date. C'est qu'il doit se passer quelque chose à cette date mais quelque chose de buggué. J'ai regardé la date de début de jeu est le 4 Primétoile, c'est donc 3 mois aprés.

Pour ceux qui ont déjà eu ce bug, si c'est possible de voir a quel date cela vous est arrivé. Merci.

For Everyone : What was the ingame date of the crash ?



Sinon, l'auteur de DFQFIX, qui n'utilise que son correctif plus FixedQuest dit ne jamais avoir eu ce problème. Sachant qu'il a du jouer beaucoups. Donc ça ne doit pas venir de là.

[shabo]

Hi

I got the same bug, I got it when i was going to complete the quest that you stop 2 lovers from being together.

The reward was cash only and as every1 else my game freezed when i pressed exit. Now the thing is i let the freeze wait out and the cmd thing told me that it was error 112.

I got redirected here from UESP and some1 denied that he got an error message coz he probaly didnt wait it out.

Modifié par shabo, 08 juillet 2013 - 02:04.

[Ancestral Ghost]

- Were Unofficial contents installed ? And which ones ?
- What was the ingame date of the crash ?

[Ancestral Ghost]

The coming soon DaggerfallSetup version (2.7) will not have all unofficial content selected by default since we still don't know from which content come that bug.

[Ancestral Ghost]

I Found That:

Citation

Hi, I think I may have found a solution.

I also experienced the same quest bug a month ago or so, using version 2.7 of DaggerfallSetup. I tried running without the unofficial patches as well as with them, but neither setting worked to solve the issue. I could always replicate the bug on completion of the 5th quest (could be any quest apparently). I noticed that there was a new release (2.7a) but as far as I know no changes were made to the unofficial patches (which are believed to be the source of the problem) or any of the other game files.

I experimented again, using different installation settings on this new release and found that the game would crash on any setting if I canceled the tutorial at the beginning of the game. I never knew this was possible (I always clicked yes on the prompt). Then I decided to mess with the compatibility settings on the shortcut to Daggerfall (I'm running under Windows 8, but there are reports that the bug also happens under Windows 7). As it turns out, setting the shortcut to compatibility mode for Windows XP service pack 3 solved the crash at the tutorial prompt. Moreover, I have already completed over 5 quests and the game has yet to crash on accepting a quest reward.

Right now I'm running the game flawlessly with all the unofficial bug fixes installed. Maybe downloading the latest release and changing the compatibility settings will work for you too. The only issue is that doing so changes the path the game uses to look for your saves (or at least it makes saves made under other compatibility settings disappear from the load/save menu). I don't know if the bug is embeded in saves, so maybe starting from the beginning is your only option.

If you have this issue can try to use "Windows XP service pack 3 compatibility mode" for see if game don't crash with it.

If this work, or not, for you, please say it here.

En français : Pour ceux qui ont le bug, tentez d'utiliser le mode de compatibilité "Windows XP service pack 3" pour voir si il y a du mieux.

[Yovo790]

And I'm back.
I've been keeping tabs every now and then to what kind of progress has been made to finding a solution and noticed this last post. All I can say is that I have not changed anything since the last time I posted here. I did try to do the run in Windows XP service pack 3 compatibility mode and what happens to me is that my saves get deleted but if I were to click on a save, it states "You drop to the ground, completely exhausted. You wake up an hour later" and then the game fails to load. I do not know if this happens with anyone else. I'm thinking of reinstalling Daggerfall and trying with the compatibility mode when I get my new PC in a week.

[Gremlin51]

Yeha deinitely a bummer that this hasn't been fixed yet.  Im running Windows 7. Has there been any updates or has anyone had any luck with this?

We need all possible informations from as many players as possible for investigate  :
- Were Unofficial contents installed ? And which ones ?
I don't think so, I just downloaded the free anniversary edition in April 2013 with DOSBox

- What was the first freezed quest for you ? (Full quests list)

The Heretic

- What was the ingame date of the crash ?

The Daggerfall Date?  like the 22th of Rain's Hand

- What was the Reward ?
Diamond

- What did you do before start this quest ?

Pretty sure I just finished The Missing Pricne quest, but I was in Wayrest so it could have been morgiah's wedding

Completed the
- What did you do during this quest ?
Dungeon Crawled for days and days

- Any other useful information.

I don't think ive applied any patches and what not...im thinking about reinstalling.  Are there any guidlines for a clean install - currently what are the most up to date patches that are more or less bug free? Can I transfer my saved games? Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

[Ancestral Ghost]

Gremlin51, le 09 février 2014 - 18:24, dit :

I don't think so, I just downloaded the free anniversary edition in April 2013 with DOSBox

So, you don't use DaggerfallSetup and don't install any extra content and you get the bug... Interesting.

Where your game is installed ?
Where your dosbox is installed ?

Gremlin51, le 09 février 2014 - 18:24, dit :

I don't think ive applied any patches and what not...im thinking about reinstalling.  Are there any guidlines for a clean install - currently what are the most up to date patches that are more or less bug free? Can I transfer my saved games? Any help is appreciated.

Installing the official patch 2.13 is the minimum. Some unofficials contents patches also à lot of bugs and quests.

For a clean install of the game, use DaggerfallSetup. Avoid to install the game in "Program files".

Saves are in the "Save" folder, you can copy them.

[Gremlin51]

Alright, so i digged up some old info, I did indeed install an older version of DaggerfallSetup 2.6

The game looks like its been installed at a few locations

C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks - this is where the program files are located

C:\Users\Wild Gremlin\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks - this is where my saved games are located

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Bethesda Softworks - this is where a bunch of extras are


DosBox is here:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Daggerfall


So basically install it anywhere but program files?

Modifié par Gremlin51, 09 février 2014 - 18:48.

[Ancestral Ghost]

Yes, installing in "Program Files" may cause some problems.
You can install it in "C:\Games\" by example or on another hard disk.

[Gremlin51]

This is getting to be a little off topic at this point but after reinstallation, Daggerfall crashes when I try to load a game.  Is it possible to recover these saved games or do I have to restart?  Will the DOS Extender help me out here at all?

Modifié par Gremlin51, 09 février 2014 - 19:17.

[Ancestral Ghost]

Dos extender help for avoid savegame corruption, but this will not help if your save is already corrupted, this only help to keep future saves clean.
You can try to use Fixsave. If it not work, you can try start a new game.

Daggerfall is a very buggy game, save frequently and not always on the same slot.