[16:05] <Mojo> okay so I have a potential backer
[16:06] <Mojo> He of course wants to review our Business Model and one-shot, but it's a potential $100/month
[16:06] <Mojo> Regardless of Masser or Secunda
[16:08] * Mojo thought there would be a stronger reaction
[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Sorry
[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> only partially here myself
[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> that's good though
[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> :)
[16:09] <Mojo> Potential capital is growing.
[16:09] <Mojo> :)
[16:13] <Thrice-Crusade> thats cool Mojo
[16:14] <Mojo> He really loves the idea of the Project so it's an essential lock, but he wants to make sure just in case
[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> thats realy cool
[16:14] <Mojo> So we got a bit of leeway now
[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> and hes realy willing to give us money
[16:14] <Mojo> Really really
[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> i mean. 100 a month aint nothing
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[16:15] <+Varanu> backer, Mojito?
[16:15] <+Varanu> anyone we know?
[16:15] <Mojo> Nah, one of my friends
[16:15] * Varanu is excited even if TC ain't
[16:16] <Mojo> I think TC is excited
[16:16] <Mojo> We aren't as chained, if you will, to MK and his Secunda demand
[16:16] <+Varanu> We weren't chained before, that's why I made the monetary offer I did :/
[16:17] <Mojo> Oh I know
[16:17] <Mojo> But it's nice to get outside support
[16:17] <Mojo> In my opinion, the incentive is that much stronger
[16:17] <+Varanu> Honestly, I think the thing MK /really/ has to offer in terms of support isn't money, it's his name.
[16:17] <Mojo> I don't like letting myself down, don't get me wrong, but I HATE letting other people down.
[16:17] <+Varanu> oh lol Mojito, I'm the same way :)
[16:18] <+Varanu> (also you don't mind the Mojito nickname do you? It was an accident at first but I kinda like it.)
[16:18] <+Varanu> (I can stop if it bothers you :P)
[16:18] <Mojo> Actually I like it
[16:18] <Mojo> Makes me chuckle
[16:18] <+Varanu> yay :)
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[16:18] == mojito has changed nick to Mojito
[16:19] <Mojito> I need that capital M
[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> you are correct varanu
[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> there have been plenty of big mod projects
[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> but somethign with MKs name on it
[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> could make a difference
[16:23] <+Varanu> on the other hand something with MK's name on it becomes "that sweet mod MK made"
[16:23] <+Varanu> idk if my pride could handle that ;)
[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Then again, it could also cause some people to just outright turn away. Between the ones who just don't like his stuff, don't like the "ONLY MK CAN SAVE ELDER SCROLLS"-type fans, and the ones who think it's all too deep for them
[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> .
[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> "could"
[16:24] * Varanu is kidding, of course
[16:24] <+Varanu> Oh, that's true.
[16:24] <Mojito> good points
[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> Still so very hypothetical.
[16:24] <+Varanu> he's rather a polarizing figure, isn't he
[16:24] <Ctrl-Z> If I may interject, most folk outside the lore communities don't have a clue, nor really care, who MK is.
[16:25] <Thrice-Crusade> which is good
[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> because if they did theyd hate him
[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> as for the lore community
[16:26] <+Varanu> lol
[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> those that dont like him
[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> will probably at least try a mod made by lorumites
[16:26] <+Varanu> That's a good point, though. If we're pitching this to the wider TES community and not just lorenerds, it turns out to not actually be that big a deal.
[16:26] <Ctrl-Z> If you're at all involved in the lore community and don't like him you learn to put up with him, because there's very little getting away with him.
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[16:29] <+Varanu> Mojito, y'know, if I put in $100 a month, and you put in $100 a month, it potentially becomes a case of you not letting me down, and me not letting you down.
[16:29] <+Varanu> Just a thought.
[16:29] <Mojito> Very true
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[16:29] <+Varanu> And I don't mean you and me specifically, of course.
[16:29] <Mojito> Good point V
[16:29] <+Varanu> hiya, Rotten :)
[16:29] <+RottenDeadite> Hello, all.
[16:29] <Mojito> Heyo Rotten
[16:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hi
[16:30] <Mojito> RottenDeadite, we have another potential backer
[16:30] <Thrice-Crusade> so rotten,varan hangout happening now or what?
[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Oh? Who?
[16:30] <Mojito> one of my friends
[16:30] <+Varanu> give me a couple of minutes, TC, I have to clear off my desk enough to take notes
[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Neato
[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> im just askign if its happening
[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> cause rotten just came back
[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> I dunno how we're going to deal with taking on more money.
[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> no biggie
[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> And yeah, TC, it's happening.
[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna happen.
[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> You're gonna play it.
[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna etc.
[16:37] <+Varanu> ok, desk clear. grabbing a food object, then I can be ready.
[16:37] * Varanu just realized she hasn't eaten anything yet today O_o
[16:37] <+SemblioSanctii> ...dude.
[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> after my long study of the american language
[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> i am convinced the proper reaction would be something along the line sof "guuuurl"
[16:42] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah TC that's about right.
[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> WOOOO
[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> my itnernet just died
[16:43] <+Varanu> how are you still here O_o
[16:43] <+SemblioSanctii> ~magicka~
[16:43] <Mojito> Dreamsleeve
[16:43] <+Varanu> and I have acquired food now so all is well
[16:44] <+RottenDeadite> Invites sent.
[16:45] <Mojito> Test
[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> tersted
[16:45] <Mojito> my computer started to lose power or something
[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> Eww.
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[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> geh
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[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> not seing invite, again
[16:45] <Mojito> no invite
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[16:46] <+SemblioSanctii> hi OPG
[16:46] <+OPG> Hey
[16:46] <Mojito> Hola
[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> sec
[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> this thing is weird now
[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> like
[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> new window
[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> and all
[16:48] <+OPG> Meeting?
[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> attempting
[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> RottenDeadite, still nothing
[16:49] <+RottenDeadite> otw semb
[16:49] <+SemblioSanctii> k
[16:50] <+RottenDeadite> Still no invite, Semb?
[16:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Nope.
[16:50] <Mojito> Nothing for me either
[16:51] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito what's your address?
[16:51] <Mojito> mojonation1487@gmail.com
[16:53] <Mojito> fucking mic is broken I think
[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> make sure
[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> that it's not muting you
[16:54] <+SemblioSanctii> sometimes it mutes on join
[16:54] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito you might have to tell Google Hangout which mic to use.
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[17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Hi
[17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Done with travel. \O/
[17:14] <+SemblioSanctii> hi dovah
[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> BTW. Yes, I already have a mail server
[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> doing a hangout now if you want in
[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> And if y'all need SSH accounts, that can work too
[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Ooh
[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, invite me
[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> kk
[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> integ3rs@gmail.com
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[17:50] == Alexandyrr has changed nick to minimyrr
[17:56] == Mojito has changed nick to Mojo
[18:00] <minimyrr> my roommate and i are swapping movies and tv shows
[18:01] <minimyrr> i sold him my old hard drive
[18:01] <minimyrr> (he's on myrrlyn right now)
[18:01] <minimyrr> and so he's got lots of empty storage space
[18:02] <minimyrr> so he took Star Trek, and i was like "it's gonna be big"
[18:02] <minimyrr> "zero fucks given" he says
[18:02] <minimyrr> the display shoots up to 120gb. "FUCKS GIVEN! FUCKS GIVEN!"
[18:02] <minimyrr> ...it's funnier in person
[18:02] <+myrrlyn> so I had this class, It was microbiology
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[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> hi umpteen
[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr
[18:08] <+Umpteen> Hullo all.
[18:08] <minimyrr> sup
[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> (in hangout atm)
[18:08] <Mojo> Forgot about this, Hola!
[18:09] <minimyrr> hangout?
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> yeha
[18:09] <minimyrr> where?
[18:09] * minimyrr needs in
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> honestly right now we're just shooting the shit on the lessons
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> google
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> need an address to send an invite
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> :)
[18:09] <minimyrr> wyzyrdmyrrlyn@gmail.com
[18:09] <+Umpteen> Too late for hangout here, but tell me if you turn up anything juicy.
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> sent
[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> k
[18:11] <minimyrr> Ross?
[18:11] <minimyrr> nice name
[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> yeah that's me
[18:11] <Neradac> whered rotten go?
[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> link working myrr?
[18:11] <minimyrr> im not sure
[18:13] <minimyrr> yes it is.
[18:13] <minimyrr> we're watching a movie right now so i probably wont' stick around
[18:13] <+SemblioSanctii> k, np
[18:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Neradac, he's in hangout as well so ping him if you wanna get his attention
[18:17] <Mojo> be back in a bit
[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Hey I had to quit the hangout because I gotta write.
[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> What's up?
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[18:18] <minimyrr> everyone else left too
[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Oh okay. That's for the best, we got homework.
[18:18] <minimyrr> oh?
[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, self-imposed homework.
[18:18] <minimyrr> i gathered.
[18:19] <minimyrr> anything you want me to do?
[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Nah we're making proposal cases for our Masser stuff. Just quick summaries, just for tonight.
[18:19] <+OPG> Hey Myrr, what'd MK end up telling you about the Numidium stuff?
[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Then we get back to work on the other stuff.
[18:19] <minimyrr> your brothers have anything to say about incorporation?
[18:20] <minimyrr> no cyrus if i please
[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> Not yet, Myrr. Gonna call 'em tonight or this weekend at the latest.
[18:20] <+Varanu> k, I'mma go write my summaries and talk to my husband :)
[18:20] <minimyrr> nighty night
[18:20] <+Varanu> oh, I'll be back later
[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> Maybe this is a bad sign, but there's nothing I'm really incredibly attached to that I've presonally invested a lot into that I want to spend that time defending. :|
[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> It occurs to me they may not be much help. One of 'em is personal injury and the other one works for the state dept.
[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> cya myrr
[18:20] <+Varanu> shouldn't take long
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[18:20] <minimyrr> then ill say day'y day
[18:20] <minimyrr> well they might know something, or have tips
[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah probably.
[18:21] <minimyrr> i'm going to incorporate just myself for practice, in an unrelated thing
[18:21] <+OPG> Summary: Lunar Economy, Dream Trade, Revantic Sload (and their relationship with Masser/Secunda, Nucyrod/Lleswer).
[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> That's fine, Semb. I mostly wanna keep the Soul Trade market and Cuhlecaine.
[18:21] <+SemblioSanctii> Incorporating as a nonprofit in Delaware costs like... what, $250, 300?
[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Something like htat.
[18:21] <minimyrr> i dunno. i'll look into michigan costs
[18:22] <+RottenDeadite> Non profit is tricky, though, when it comes to taxes.
[18:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.
[18:22] <Neradac> rottin
[18:22] <minimyrr> well if we have no influx of money, nonprofit is fine
[18:22] <+OPG> I have tons of other stuff I want, but the Lunar Economy is the most influential thing. I dunno what I'll do if he refuses it.
[18:22] <minimyrr> and if we have money, we put it all into expense or salaries, and call it good, yeah?
[18:22] <+OPG> At best, I'll straight up copy and paste it into my other worldbuilding thing.
[18:23] <+RottenDeadite> Myrr I don't even know enough about it to know if you're kidding.
[18:23] <minimyrr> me neither. my only work with nonprofits has been three levels below finance worries
[18:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Meh, someone kidnap a CPA and interrogate them. Problem solved.
[18:24] <minimyrr> i know a guy
[18:24] <Neradac> rawten
[18:25] <+TC01> Wait, so, what was decided re: Masser/Secunda?
[18:25] <+TC01> or was anything decided?
[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We haven't definitevely decided yet
[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We're
[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> not exactly doing a counterproposal, but trying to get actual statements on his vision and goals vs. their compatability with the things we've actually spent any reall dev time on
[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> i.e. NPCs, certain quests, etc.
[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> And of course we disucssed what we ourselves think is feasible regarding adapting that sort of stuff.
[18:27] * TC01 nods
[18:27] <+TC01> Sounds reasonable
[18:27] <+OPG> Yo, how do you make a new chat? I seriously want #revenant
[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> forget the syntax for IRCHighway
[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> um
[18:27] <!Dovahkiin> just /join it
[18:28] <minimyrr> /join #revenant
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[18:28] <+SemblioSanctii> "/msg ChanServ REGISTER channel password description" if you feel like keeping it
[18:30] <+OPG> What was that earlier about MK not liking Orcs?
[18:30] <+OPG> Somebody mentioned that in the chat.
[18:30] <minimyrr> "we're a trope"
[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> He said he didn't like them
[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> during his AMA period last night
[18:31] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr persisted. :p
[18:31] <minimyrr> it was a bit stronger than that
[18:31] <+Majide_Foundation> Because Talos.
[18:31] <minimyrr> i was... emotionally compromised
[18:31] <+RottenDeadite> He doesn't like them because they're too close to the D&D thing for his taste.
[18:31] * Dovahkiin sighs
[18:31] <+OPG> That's probably the reason why Tiber was racist against Orcs.
[18:31] <!Dovahkiin> ^
[18:31] <minimyrr> twatwaffle
[18:32] <+OPG> Anybody ask him which PGE 1 bits he wrote? I'm curious about that.
[18:32] <+Majide_Foundation> Yeah but like we have all that cool 5 Songs of Wulfharth stuff and Dumalacath... hey, maybe he just wished that the orcs WERE dwarves.
[18:32] <minimyrr> we did not no
[18:32] <minimyrr> i'm pretty happy with orcs not being dwarves
[18:33] <Neradac> but theyre shit, its cool
[18:33] <+OPG> Definitely Morrowind. Maybe Cyrod, since everybody seems to like attributing Weird Cyrod to him...definitely not Black Marsh, and I guess not Orsinium.
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[18:33] * minimyrr crosses arms and harrumphs
[18:33] <Neradac> then make orcs cooler
[18:33] <minimyrr> i
[18:33] <minimyrr> will
[18:33] <Neradac> give him something to spin and grunt happily
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[18:34] <+OPG> Myrr, make an Orcish aristocracy.
[18:34] <Neradac> that timing
[18:34] <+OPG> Delicate boned waifs
[18:34] <minimyrr> yeah...
[18:34] <+RottenDeadite> Heeeey MK
[18:34] <!Dovahkiin> hi
[18:34] <MK> I have too many eyes
[18:34] <+OPG> Wearing communities of gremlins in their spectacular headdresses
[18:34] <MK> hey guys
[18:34] <+OPG> Heya
[18:34] <+Umpolung> hi
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[18:34] <Mojo> Hey MK
[18:34] <Neradac> lo
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[18:34] <MK> waiting on a food solution, wanted to check in
[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Trivia question for you guys: First Dr. Who episode to feature the Sontarans?
[18:35] <minimyrr> no clue
[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Anyone?
[18:35] <MK> Also, I'm an asshole with spoilers to give
[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Me neither :(
[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Spoilers? For what?
[18:35] <Neradac> do tell
[18:35] <+OPG> Hey MK, I thought of a question just before you came in. Do you remember who wrote which bits of PGE 1?
[18:35] == mode/#memospore2 [+h MK] by Dovahkiin
[18:35] <%MK> What mode is that, asshole?
[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> hehe
[18:36] <!Dovahkiin> +h = halfop
[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Bright blue dot in YChat.
[18:36] <%MK> same question, same tone
[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Never seen that one.
[18:36] <minimyrr> % for me
[18:36] <%MK> Huh
[18:36] <%MK> fair enough
[18:36] <%MK> Sontarans? I could give a shit.
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[18:36] <%MK> Wait
[18:36] <minimyrr> A puts him between ops and dovah, and should be a &
[18:36] <minimyrr> +A, i mean
[18:37] <%MK> OPS had something
[18:37] <%MK> or whatever the fuck his handle is
[18:37] <%MK> USE NAMES
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[18:37] <%MK> Okay, I scrolled. Yes, I do.
[18:37] <Alexandyrr> "The Time Warrior"
[18:38] <Mojo> Googe Fu is strong
[18:38] <Mojo> ;)
[18:38] <+RottenDeadite> Thanks myrr
[18:38] <Alexandyrr> anytime bruh
[18:38] <%MK> 'bruh' is banned
[18:38] <Alexandyrr> brotten?
[18:38] <Alexandyrr> it's okay, i say it ironically
[18:38] * SemblioSanctii ironically pushes Alexandyrr into a corner
[18:39] <%MK> Morgan, send us your address again via other channel
[18:39] <%MK> You'll get your Sul
[18:39] <%MK> Irony is a poor man's gay Kevlar, you lose.
[18:39] <Alexandyrr> only if i don't want to get shot;)
[18:40] <%MK> OPG, you had a question
[18:40] <+OPG> PGE 1. Do you remember who wrote which bits?
[18:40] <%MK> lt's do that before I get to business
[18:40] <%MK> YES MOTHERFUCKER
[18:40] <%MK> PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMS AND SHIT
[18:40] <Alexandyrr> would you mind eludicating us on that?
[18:41] <%MK> already answered that
[18:41] <%MK> stop cross talking when I come in here
[18:41] <%MK> So, OPG, whatcha wanna know?
[18:41] <%MK> My time is short.
[18:42] <%MK> I have dinner approaching.
[18:42] <+OPG> uh.
[18:42] <%MK> Fuck it
[18:42] <+OPG> Do you remember who wrote which parts of PGE 1? That's all I really want to know.
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[18:42] <%MK> Yes, I do. Every word.
[18:42] <%MK> Now
[18:42] <%MK> Business
[18:42] <%MK> What have you guys decided?
[18:43] <%MK> (Every single word)
[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> We're on board. We wanna see where this goes. And the education is incredibly useful.
[18:43] <%MK> Okay, so 11/1 I get what I want, yes?
[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Or we get nothing, that's the deal.
[18:43] <%MK> Business Model, one-sheet
[18:43] <%MK> right
[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Did you ever find that template?
[18:44] <%MK> Start on that one on your own
[18:44] <+RottenDeadite> k
[18:44] <!Dovahkiin> np
[18:44] <%MK> Make it in PowerPoint
[18:44] <%MK> or something akin to it
[18:44] <Alexandyrr> i can do that.
[18:44] <%MK> I want to see it horizontal
[18:45] <+RottenDeadite> Really? Why horizontal...?
[18:45] <%MK> Within the week, I'll show an example. There might be some rush to fix yours, but that's expected.
[18:45] <%MK> Rotten, that's an easy answer.
[18:46] <%MK> Do you rotate your television to watch movies?
[18:46] <%MK> No, you don't/
[18:46] <%MK> So I'm expect nothing less.
[18:46] <+RottenDeadite> Ah, I see. You want it to look good on a monitor or a projection screen.
[18:46] <%MK> I look at a screen. I don't read a doc.
[18:46] <%MK> ding
[18:46] <%MK> Yes
[18:47] * Mojo notices Varanu is MIA yet again
[18:47] <Alexandyrr> she's working/with her hubby
[18:48] <%MK> I can give you an example. But it can't go into the wild.
[18:48] <Alexandyrr> mum's the word
[18:49] <%MK> If it does, I'll pull more than just funding. I'll pull lawyers. Y/N?
[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> Really we just need structure but my main concern is that any examples we find online will be somehow inappropriate.
[18:49] <Mojo> Y
[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> You could just bump it to me, MK.
[18:49] <%MK> If you respect me at all, this is your chance.
[18:49] <!Dovahkiin> We'll be fine.
[18:50] <%MK> If I find this in the wild, I will come after you.
[18:50] <!Dovahkiin> I trust everyone in this channel
[18:50] <%MK> Morgan, you have my trust. Kick anyone that is suspicious.
[18:50] <%MK> sec
[18:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK just send it to me or morgan. Email's; ffine.
[18:51] <%MK> You're being insular again
[18:52] <%MK> This example is not a one-sheet, really
[18:52] == mode/#memospore2 [+k kathutet] by Dovahkiin
[18:52] <%MK> it was the next step
[18:52] <%MK> a "3 sheet"
[18:52] <+RottenDeadite> Huh. Okay, gotcha.
[18:53] <%MK> just goes like this
[18:54] <%MK> It has a lot of corpspeak
[18:54] <%MK> Any business will have to get used to that
[18:55] <%MK> Can I upload a PDF here?
[18:56] <!Dovahkiin> You can dropbox it or google drive it
[18:56] <Alexandyrr> not directly to the chat, i don't think...
[18:56] <%MK> Not gdriving shit
[18:56] <_stille_> nope, not directly
[18:56] <_stille_> also hey MK
[18:56] <%MK> fari enough. email.
[18:56] <%MK> hey, stille
[18:56] <Alexandyrr> can we pass the email around internally or no?
[18:56] <%MK> Chris, email me again
[18:57] <%MK> Yes, Alex, but if this goes out I will play with your blood.
[18:57] <Mojo> Reasonable terms
[18:57] <_stille_> yep
[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> Email sent MK
[18:57] <Alexandyrr> it's good fun. i like a bit of that from time to time
[19:02] <%MK> okay, chris and morgan, incoming
[19:02] <%MK> Sent
[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> Got iy
[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> it
[19:03] <%MK> That's a 3-sheet
[19:03] <%MK> not a one sheet
[19:03] <%MK> it was denied at the 3-sheet step
[19:03] <%MK> but passed the one-sheet step
[19:03] <%MK> I expect the same
[19:04] <+RottenDeadite> Okay about the artwork. What quality are you expecting here? Because I don't think we can get anything seriously impressive rendered by the 1st.
[19:05] <%MK> No, but you can show me your intentions and show me how you'd use the money to secure it, right?
[19:05] <!Dovahkiin> *Something* at least descriptive would be the idea
[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> Okay, just making sure I understand your expectations.
[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> We'll get the best we can find.
[19:05] <%MK> Wrong
[19:05] <%MK> The best you can afford and coerce
[19:06] <%MK> Part of this is finding the right artists
[19:07] <%MK> It's easy in that sense
[19:07] <%MK> if you follow the What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It
[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> So should we write the doc up, include some appropriate (but not commissioned) artwork, and then tell you where your money would go for the Real artwork? Something like that?
[19:08] <%MK> this is also an internal one-sheet
[19:08] == mode/#memospore2 [-k kathutet] by Dovahkiin
[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooh internal gotcha.
[19:09] <+RottenDeadite> I'm noticing this language. "Develop. Dominate. Destroy" etc.
[19:09] <%MK> Right
[19:09] <%MK> That's how you have to sell it
[19:09] == Varanu_afk has changed nick to Varanu
[19:09] <%MK> For better or worse
[19:09] <%MK>
http://nadmoremtuman...unset-283020612
[19:09] <%MK> As internal, you can Googlegrab as much as you want
[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> Ah now that's actually an exciting prospect.
[19:10] <%MK> It's how Parallax got past a one-sheet
[19:10] <+Varanu> Can someone catch me up, please? What's up?
[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> MK's given us a Business Plan (a 3-sheet to the first 1-sheet) to look ati.
[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> *at
[19:11] <%MK> On a 3-sheet? We got to use the concept division. It didn't pass. Not because they did anything wrong. It's just business.
[19:11] <%MK> Send it to V, she can keep it secret.
[19:11] <+Varanu> link?
[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK I figured it was just business. Good idea, but not the right time, I'm guessing?
[19:11] <%MK> Or I destroy her.
[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> I'll email it to ya V.
[19:11] <%MK> Not the right time or tech
[19:11] <+Varanu> hah
[19:11] <%MK> correct
[19:11] <+Varanu> here, MK, I'll tell you my realname, then you can destroy me properly
[19:11] <+Varanu> I'm Jessie Suk Roy
[19:12] <%MK> I prefer real names
[19:12] <%MK> Okay, Jessie
[19:12] <%MK> I already know you're onboard
[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> Hah yeah the first thing I thought when I read that doc, MK, was "what in God's name will this run on?" :D
[19:12] <!Dovahkiin> Varanu: sent to you
[19:12] <%MK> One thing to remember
[19:12] <%MK> This 3-shhet?
[19:12] <%MK> "shhet"
[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> SEHT
[19:12] <%MK> Done in three hours
[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> O_O
[19:13] <%MK> That's how fast it gets
[19:13] <%MK> You get an elevator
[19:13] <%MK> Then you get a lunch
[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> Just you working on it?
[19:14] <%MK> PC, Rotten. That was my bad.
[19:14] <%MK> Nope. Like I said, I was allowed to bring in concept.
[19:14] <_stille_> wait those images were done in 3h too?
[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> The "screenshots" are largely other games, I think.
[19:15] <%MK> Weigh this idea versus a bubble shooter
[19:15] <%MK> yep yep
[19:15] <%MK> Now with "paint overs" to help sell
[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> Finger thing is a mockup, yeah.
[19:15] <%MK> There you go
[19:15] <%MK> Now act like an asshole
[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> So let me guess, you had to present this in a boardroom wiht a bunch of other people pitching their stuff in the same meeting?
[19:16] <%MK> Bubble Shooter or Croos-Time Tycoon?
[19:16] <%MK> *Cross
[19:16] <%MK> No, worse
[19:16] <%MK> Email ether
[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> Bubble Shooter's a bigger market with a broader established fan base and works better for casual, quickie games on the bus.
[19:16] <%MK> bam
[19:16] * RottenDeadite shrugs.
[19:17] <%MK> there, see, it was my bad
[19:17] <%MK> I pushed
[19:17] <%MK> This is what we do
[19:18] <%MK> We have three hours to do this thing because there are 44,000 other things to look at
[19:19] <%MK> and the whole of the net to analyze AppStore and Google Play (snort-- no one does that)
[19:19] <%MK> And when they look at you and your awesome asynch tycoon idea?
[19:19] <%MK> They see no clones
[19:19] <%MK> MY BAD
[19:20] <%MK> I wasted time, effort and money
[19:21] <%MK> the floor is open
[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> So we're wondering about what parts of the project we've written that we can bring to Secunda.
[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> And what you've got planned for, for example, the quests and such.
[19:22] <%MK> (I have no access right now to the one-sheet that allowed the evolution)
[19:22] <+RottenDeadite> I've suggested that everybody pick what they want to keep and write up a 500 words or less (preferrably less) description of it. We'll submit it whenever you're ready for it.
[19:22] <%MK> Really? That's what you're wondering about?
[19:22] <_stille_> correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the one-sheet supposed to be much more basic than stuff we can bring to Secunda?
[19:23] <_stille_> I think we're supposed to do this by the book, so concept! bare-bones idea!
[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> Because most of us are wondering if we're interested enough to stick it out in this project, dude.
[19:23] <%MK> Apologies, Chris. I figured there would be a log.
[19:23] <%MK> One sheet pitch. Four images.
[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> The one-sheet is VERY terse, stille. Did you read the logs we sent you?
[19:23] <_stille_> yeah
[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> DID we send you logs..? Oh okay good :D
[19:23] <!Dovahkiin> That might be a decision that we'll have to make. It's a venture, after all
[19:23] <_stille_> you didn't but I read the channel logs
[19:24] <_stille_> unless there's more stuff
[19:24] <%MK> First image: Whoa. Stinger text. One sentence.
[19:24] <%MK> Then: What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It. Images say all of the things.
[19:24] <%MK> Because any text?
[19:24] <%MK> on those last three: a text message
[19:25] <%MK> 500 words is jumping out a window with your tie unraveled.
[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> Heh
[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> The 1-sheet is like a flyer you hand out to people on the street, I believe is what you called it.
[19:25] <%MK> DOMINATE, DESTROY, DISCOVER
[19:26] <%MK> yeah
[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> It's gotta grab 'em fast. Faster than a movie trailer.
[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> Like fast like a movie poster that has no trailer.
[19:26] <%MK> yep, which is why horizontal, too
[19:26] <%MK> Your 500 words or less quest bullshit?
[19:26] <%MK> That's a loooong time from now.
[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> That's more of a treatment
[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> (I think)
[19:27] <%MK> one-sheet + plan
[19:27] <%MK> 3-sheet + demonstrable progress
[19:27] <%MK> Then a greenlight
[19:27] <Neradac> neat
[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK it's a long time from now, but a lot of people are concerned about putting work into this if the project ends up being something they don't give a crap about.
[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Let me say this:
[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Not a one of us, to my knoweldge, are interested in being game designers for a living.
[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> But we DO want to give the lore community something amazing.
[19:28] <%MK> You done?
[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and I'm gonna do that from time to time ;)
[19:28] <%MK> Okay, then. What you're doing isn't a mod.
[19:29] <%MK> You're being an asshat.
[19:29] <%MK> You want to give them something amazing?
[19:29] <!Dovahkiin> This isn't a AAA title...
[19:29] <%MK> Then make a fucking mod.
[19:29] <%MK> Otherwise: write
[19:29] <%MK> Wrong, Morgan
[19:30] <%MK> If you want 'amazing' you must treat it that way
[19:30] <%MK> AAA
[19:30] <%MK> With all that that entails
[19:31] <%MK> Otherwise it's just more jerk into a tissue of notes
[19:31] <!Dovahkiin> Sorry. I meant that we should make sure to establish reasonable expectations
[19:31] <%MK> If you don't want to be game designers, why are you even trying this?
[19:31] <%MK> You're all talented writer
[19:31] <%MK> s
[19:32] <%MK> Dazzle 'em with that shit
[19:32] <Alexandyrr> I can only speak for myself, but I'm trying this because it's a topic about which I'm passionate and at which I think I can do well.
[19:32] <%MK> But don't act for one second that if you really want to amaze them in this way, it must be PLAYED
[19:33] <+Varanu> ...because it's interesting, and fun, and I think it'd work better as something you can play than something you can read about?
[19:33] <%MK> The "lore community" is fine
[19:33] <+OPG> It's because we're trying to appeal to the other TES communities too, not just the lorumites.
[19:33] <+OPG> Again, our central goal of popularizing this kind of stuff. Dazzle to start with, yeah, but make sure they keep coming back, even past the mod.
[19:33] <Alexandyrr> pitching /r/teslore to /r/skyrim, as it were
[19:33] <%MK> The lore community is full of pastiche and 6000+ word bullshit that no. one. will. remember.
[19:34] <+OPG> Exactly.
[19:34] <+OPG> Which is why we're appealing via mod.
[19:34] <%MK> Okay, I'm getting fed up
[19:34] <%MK> This is more writer bullshit
[19:35] <%MK> But let me fix one of these things for you
[19:35] <%MK> First image. Stinger Text: "Go deeper."
[19:35] <%MK> That's all.
[19:35] <%MK> That's ALL you need.
[19:36] <%MK> 10 characters and, if the image is right, I keep reading.
[19:36] <+Varanu> ...is that a reference?
[19:36] <%MK> Does that matter?
[19:37] <+Varanu> Not really.
[19:37] <%MK> I just see the words "even past the mod" and want to strangle fuckers.
[19:37] <%MK> THERE IS NOTHING PAST THE MOD.
[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> seriously, trust the process, this is how game design works
[19:37] <%MK> Not until there is a mod.
[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> *development
[19:38] <!Dovahkiin> we really fucking need to take this methodically
[19:38] <%MK> Sure, it's a sting-thing from Inception. But I'm in. Again, if the image is spot on.
[19:38] <%MK> Get in the motherfucking elevator first.
[19:38] <_stille_> I agree with Dovah
[19:38] <_stille_> there's few easier way to get stuck going nowhere than skipping steps witht his
[19:39] <%MK> "Past the mod" is hitting a button you just wished was there
[19:39] <_stille_> especially with an inexperienced crew like us :P
[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah. Game development is methodical. The process is crucial.
[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Infinite writing != game
[19:39] <+Varanu> Guys, I don't think anyone /disagrees/ that we need to get our shit together.
[19:39] <Alexandyrr> correct
[19:40] <%MK> There's a Shakespeare quote all up in there. And it applies.
[19:40] <_stille_> a process for getting our shit together is precisely what we're being offered
[19:40] <%MK> Or you bail. Like the logs: no harm, no foul.
[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> also, let's make this very clear: if you're in, you're not second-guessing yourself
[19:41] <Alexandyrr> are we going to need qualifications for being in?
[19:41] * Dovahkiin sighs
[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> not the point
[19:41] <%MK> But the fuck if Imma give you guys five hundred bucks to give me a buncha un-illstrated shit that's (hopefully) 500 words or less
[19:42] <+Varanu> Yeah, and we're going to follow the /process/. The process isn't what we're waffling about, here.
[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are, V.
[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are still going, "Process? Fuck that."
[19:42] <+Varanu> MK, if you were asking for a business model and a one-sheet for something set on Masser I don't think there'd be problems.
[19:43] <+Varanu> I could be wrong.
[19:43] <%MK> Kinda
[19:43] <_stille_> yeah, lots of people got miffed about the switch
[19:43] <!Dovahkiin> It's a curveball, but no one's ragequit
[19:43] <%MK> I'm asking for a business model and a one-shhet on Secunda.
[19:43] <%MK> Those people? Weep me a fucking river.
[19:44] <_stille_> so yeah folk, this is precisely why the process is important. you get to see if you have your stuff on the right moon before putting in hundreds of hours of work in
[19:44] <%MK> What are they going to do with "miffed"?
[19:44] <+Varanu> "the right moon", stille?
[19:44] <%MK> Nothing.
[19:44] <%MK> Absonothing.
[19:44] <_stille_> sorry V, 4 am here
[19:45] <%MK> Write more bullshit that will not make it into a real mod.
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[19:45] <%MK> If you fail to see the business sense here, you've already failed.
[19:45] <+Varanu> oh hiya bird :)
[19:46] * RottenDeadite nods at Albatross.
[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> No bullshit tonight, please
[19:46] <+Varanu> brb
[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> Full disclosure
[19:46] <%MK> Whoa, after the 3-sheet? Asshole asks us for a on-rails racing segment.
[19:47] <%MK> Not planned. Non-negotiable.
[19:47] <%MK> What then?
[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> Then we wave goodbye.
[19:47] <!Dovahkiin> we're sort of still doing cost-benefit on it
[19:47] <%MK> really?
[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> on rails racing sucks nuts.
[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> It's science.
[19:47] <+Varanu> HEY.
[19:47] <%MK> You really, really wave goodbye.
[19:47] <%MK> Then you're not fit to run this.
[19:48] <%MK> You've just wasted everyone's time, effort, and money.
[19:48] <%MK> You didn't even take the time to think about it.
[19:48] <%MK> Here's how you do it
[19:49] <%MK> "What the living FUCK?"
[19:49] <%MK> talk talk talk rage research talk talk
[19:49] <%MK> PRESENT
[19:49] <+RottenDeadite> So "non negotiable...?"
[19:49] <%MK> Wave goodbye? Mod's over.
[19:50] <%MK> Yes. It has to be in. Or your money's gone.
[19:50] <_stille_> you give'em the racing segment and make it as good as you can, and make the rest of the game as good as you can too
[19:50] <!Dovahkiin> You make the best on-rails racing game ever
[19:51] <!Dovahkiin> simulpost
[19:51] <_stille_> basically you can maybe end up with a good game with a shitty on-rails-racing segment, but at least this way you have a mostly good game
[19:51] <_stille_> and your team gets to eat
[19:51] <%MK> Much like, oh I dunno, deciding at the last second that vigittiiiacan'tspellit Argonians and Khajiit HAD to be playable
[19:52] <%MK> Yes. Your team gets to eat.
[19:52] <%MK> That's your goal
[19:52] <%MK> Not past the mod
[19:52] <%MK> Cuz that's your dream
[19:52] <_stille_> problem is, most of us get our food from other sources than game design
[19:52] <%MK> Do I really have to say it?
[19:53] <%MK> That's fine, stille, then stop wishing for a mod.
[19:53] <%MK> "Walk like them"
[19:53] <%MK> I'm not here to teach you the wrong things
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[19:54] <%MK> I'm here to show you the wrong things
[19:55] <%MK> It's probably out there somewhere, but story time
[19:56] <%MK> Redguard started as a gigantic airhsip so-far-future-that-it's-magic airship pirate game
[19:56] <%MK> Kurt and I had to whole of a universe "mapped" out
[19:56] <%MK> Daggerfall's done. SkyNET's over. We need new product.
[19:57] <%MK> We strut in, talk this bullshit about a gas planet universe.
[19:57] <%MK> Todd turns around, and he's struck by a few ideas. And he's focused.
[19:58] <+RottenDeadite> Cannonballs so rare they have names.
[19:58] <+Varanu> What?
[19:58] <%MK> Sword fighting. Cool. Ships. Cool. (yes)
[19:58] <%MK> "Set it in Tamriel."
[19:58] <%MK> RAGE
[19:59] <%MK> Two hours, it was over. We wanted our core game.
[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> Huh. that's not how I read that part, somehow.
[19:59] <%MK> Well, you interrupted the story, dummy.
[20:00] <%MK> We wanted a pirate dude, sword fighting and solving puzzles and jumping on airships and unearthing vanished cultures.
[20:00] <%MK> WE GOT THAT.
[20:01] <%MK> Was it a gas planet? (Metaphor: Masser)
[20:01] <%MK> NOPE
[20:01] <%MK> Was it in our best interests?
[20:01] <%MK> YUP. We paid rent.
[20:02] <%MK> Story over.
[20:02] <+SemblioSanctii> Apt.
[20:02] <%MK> Cuz meanwhile where we were renting and eating, we were sowing the seeds for other things.
[20:03] <+Varanu> No talk about "why Tamriel", really?
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[20:03] <%MK> Surely there was.
[20:03] <Humble_Quark> Goodnessgraciousme.
[20:03] <+SemblioSanctii> hi HQ
[20:03] <+Varanu> hiya, HQ :)
[20:04] <%MK> "Because we just put out Daggerfall. The audience knows that world. We don't have to pay for a license or rely on an unknown IP."
[20:04] <Neradac> hlo HQ
[20:04] <+myrrlyn> aichqueue, hiya
[20:04] <!Dovahkiin> as I said: cost/benefit
[20:04] <+Varanu> That feels... flimsy. Very nearly as flimsy as "because red moon is cooler to look at" oh wait
[20:04] <+Varanu> :P
[20:05] <%MK> It worked.
[20:05] <%MK> You're making a mod because it did.
[20:05] <_stille_> and it's why we got the TES we all know and love
[20:05] <%MK> ding
[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> writer crap aside
[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> ventures have risk, we're still collectively deciding if we're willing to accept it
[20:05] <%MK> Also: a red moon IS cooler to look at
[20:06] <+Varanu> Red moon is also cooler to run around on. But I get your point, I think.
[20:06] <+SemblioSanctii> (Or we make white moon cooler to run around)
[20:06] <Humble_Quark> Nasa knows this
[20:06] <%MK> Just like, oh hey, fuck your gas planet because Tamriel is cooler to jump on
[20:06] <Neradac> sooo, red sugar then
[20:07] <%MK> Morgan, that's fair
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[20:07] <+Varanu> fuckin' government shutdown, at least Curiosity is still running >:(
[20:07] <%MK> Collective is part of the point
[20:07] <%MK> I will take a bet, though
[20:07] * Varanu perks up
[20:08] <%MK> Masser will never get made
[20:08] <%MK> Not unless you do it this way
[20:08] <%MK> Prove me wrong
[20:08] <+myrrlyn> how much?
[20:08] <Neradac> hah
[20:08] <%MK> It's win-win that way. I'll play it.
[20:08] <%MK> Fuck off, Alexander
[20:08] <+Varanu> Hah. If we don't make it, you win the bet. If we do, MASSER.
[20:09] <%MK> You're, what, a fan with 6000+ words and that's all, am I right?
[20:09] <+myrrlyn> Surfacely.
[20:09] <+Varanu> Me? Fuck, I don't even have 6000+ words.
[20:09] <%MK> yup
[20:10] <%MK> That's all any of you are with this right now
[20:10] <Humble_Quark> Apes with keyboards.
[20:10] * Varanu is not as much of a TES fan as some other people
[20:10] <%MK> all surface, no foundation
[20:10] <%MK> not as individuals
[20:10] <%MK> but as a "modding community"
[20:10] <!Dovahkiin> I really think we should be following the right process, regardless of WHAT risk/reward structure we take
[20:11] <+SemblioSanctii> I think that's self-evident by sum total of work to date Dovah.
[20:11] <+Varanu> Dovah, really, who is still arguing this? O_o
[20:11] <!Dovahkiin> Well, sorry
[20:11] <%MK> I am
[20:11] <%MK> My money's on the table
[20:11] <Humble_Quark> Is there even a plot yet?
[20:11] <+RottenDeadite> The only question we're thinking of right now is: do we take that money.
[20:11] <%MK> FUCK YOUR PLOT
[20:11] <+Varanu> sheeeesh Dovah ;)
[20:11] <%MK> Gimme your game
[20:12] <+Varanu> (and yeah, HQ, there's a plot. Or, uh. Was. idk.)
[20:12] <%MK> (There better be a plot. That was for effect.)
[20:12] <+OPG> The larger one is mostly re-applicable to Secunda.
[20:12] <Humble_Quark> Rough outline?
[20:12] <%MK> (But fuck if I wanna see it in stupid fucking words words words)
[20:12] <+RottenDeadite> link incomming
[20:12] <%MK> No outline!
[20:12] <+OPG> The smaller, Osla one is barely applicable, but whatever
[20:13] <+Varanu> There were NPCs, too. Not implemented, but they had names and all.
[20:13] <%MK> HQ, you're returning this to wank
[20:13] <+RottenDeadite> link sent, hq.
[20:13] <%MK> wank wank wank NPCs
[20:13] <+Varanu> Actually now that I think about it, this would make a bitchin' nest for, like, a novella or something.
[20:13] <Humble_Quark> Sorry, I've been missing.
[20:13] <+OPG> lol, Var
[20:14] <%MK> V, yeah. Actually that might be the best way to go.
[20:14] <+Varanu> Which is another sort of writing thing and not a game thing, soooooo I have just proved some kind of point.
[20:14] <+Varanu> Yeah.
[20:14] <%MK> Given your circumstances.
[20:14] <+OPG> We've already gone that direction in patches, yeah.
[20:14] <%MK> smh
[20:14] <+RottenDeadite> We have?
[20:14] <%MK> I knew it
[20:15] * Dovahkiin sighs
[20:15] <%MK> I fucking knew it
[20:15] <+OPG> Dude, chill, it was a couple side projects, secondary to the core one
[20:15] <%MK> Dude, fuck off
[20:15] <%MK> use another channel for this shit
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[20:16] <%MK> You are contributing absolutely this much money to it: 0
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[20:16] <%MK> You either want to make a game, or you want to write
[20:17] <%MK> There is no middle ground
[20:17] <%MK> unless it's patches
[20:17] <%MK> and have fun with that
[20:17] <+OPG> I never said I was writing one.
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[20:17] <+OPG> I intended to, but I never got started, really.
[20:18] <%MK> No, you just stick your head up in a business conversation with BLORT
[20:18] <Hermit_Qabal> k. how many clams do we need?
[20:18] <+OPG> Bye, then.
[20:18] <%MK> BYE
[20:18] <+Varanu> MK, question. Business type question. For future... business type things.
[20:19] <+Varanu> What do we do if we get another ongoing contributor and you guys want different things?
[20:19] <+Varanu> I'm really not trying to be obtuse here.
[20:19] <%MK> The main money is the main boss
[20:19] <%MK> Think of it like this
[20:19] <%MK> You are trying to stay afloat
[20:20] <%MK> You have to please your brokers
[20:20] <%MK> Collectively, as a team, you decide which way to take
[20:20] <%MK> and which wallet to pull from
[20:21] <%MK> It sounds more nefarious than it is
[20:21] <+RottenDeadite> Is it often complicated? I suspect it's usually an easy decision.
[20:22] * Varanu imagines some rich people steepling their fingers and petting white cats and things.
[20:22] <%MK> In your theoretical, you have a champagne problem
[20:22] <%MK> "Whose money do we take?"
[20:22] <+Varanu> Hah
[20:22] <+Varanu> Best position to be in.
[20:22] <%MK> Right
[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> We have one option, or no options currently
[20:22] <%MK> It can be complicated, yeah, Chris.
[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> Well, not strictly true
[20:23] <%MK> "This chick is cool, and chill, but offers this. But we all like her."
[20:23] <%MK> "This dude offers this but he's the asshole that demanded a rail."
[20:23] <+RottenDeadite> :D
[20:24] <%MK> "Fuck that chick, she has no clout. Rail it is."
[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> This is the problem with moonshit. For all this effort, you should be paid.
[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> Fuck Tamriel.
[20:24] <+Varanu> I was going to say, I can put up $500 this month. And probably ongoing unless I don't get a job after I graduate in December.
[20:24] <%MK> See?
[20:24] <+Varanu> But I'm also seeing that I don't know /shit/ about this stuff.
[20:24] <Mojo> ^
[20:24] <_stille_> haha
[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah Varanu and that's in addition to what I'm putting up. But I also don't know shit about process.
[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> so :(
[20:25] <+Varanu> I was wondering if you'd be willing to come 'round and advise, even if we don't accept your offer and so on...?
[20:25] <%MK> well now, errybody at least seems to be thinking about Step One
[20:25] <%MK> Fuck naw
[20:25] <+Varanu> aw :(
[20:25] <+RottenDeadite> Dude I think in comparison we were barely thinking before you started talking to us about the process.
[20:25] <%MK> I've been with Masser from the start
[20:25] <Hermit_Qabal> For beauty, you'll have to suffer.
[20:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Reasonable. I mean you got your own shit to do.
[20:25] <%MK> I knew it was going to fail then
[20:26] <%MK> I offered money then
[20:26] <+Varanu> Wait, what, when?
[20:26] * Varanu doesn't recall this but maybe she has a terrible memory.
[20:26] <%MK> Chris, is this private talk?
[20:26] <+SemblioSanctii> I certainly heard nothing of that.
[20:26] <+RottenDeadite> Nah, go dude.
[20:26] <Hermit_Qabal> So who's willing to bleed for redplanet?
[20:26] <%MK> HQ, would you please offer more?
[20:26] <%MK> jesus christ
[20:27] <%MK> Chris hit me up with the idea
[20:27] <Hermit_Qabal> Money or wordswordswords?
[20:27] <%MK> fuck off
[20:27] <%MK> Then he went and started WRITING
[20:27] <%MK> Meanwhile, I had dinner and called a lawyer
[20:28] <%MK> Found out what could and couldn't be done with a CK mod
[20:28] <%MK> I get a gdoc splat
[20:28] <%MK> I scan it
[20:28] <%MK> I see no images
[20:28] <%MK> I see WRITING
[20:28] <%MK> I see no planning
[20:29] <%MK> I see nothing but comments
[20:29] <%MK> from OTHER writers
[20:29] <%MK> I don't at any point
[20:29] <%MK> see a comment from an enginee
[20:29] <%MK> r
[20:29] <%MK> or an artist
[20:29] <%MK> I see DESCRIPTIONS of art, but no fucking art
[20:29] <%MK> I leave it be
[20:30] <%MK> Knowing, like you're all proving, it's doomed
[20:30] <Hermit_Qabal> Bookhags, this lot.
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[20:30] <+Varanu> Hey, it's what we know.
[20:30] <%MK> right
[20:30] <%MK> it is
[20:30] <%MK> that's all you know
[20:31] <+Toesock> Hey guys
[20:31] <+Varanu> hiya Toe :)
[20:31] <%MK> Which is why Masser the Mod should have been Masser the Buncha Books
[20:31] <+Toesock> Hiya Var! :D
[20:31] <%MK> But nope
[20:31] <Hermit_Qabal> Pretty much.
[20:31] <%MK> Cuz here's another thing you guys do
[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> I was busy working on other things for the bulk of the Masser planning. Never had the chance to comment that much
[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> and that's on me
[20:31] <%MK> Finish absolutely nothing
[20:32] <%MK> You mouthfart
[20:32] <%MK> that's it
[20:32] <+Varanu> Oh, now /that's/ unfair.
[20:32] <%MK> "Masser: mouthfart. Cool, I'm done for the day."
[20:33] <+Toesock> What's going on?
[20:33] <%MK> Is it, when applied to this?
[20:33] <%MK> Where's the GDD, V?
[20:33] <%MK> Where's the asset lists?
[20:33] <+Varanu> Sorry. Acronym?
[20:33] <%MK> Game Design Document
[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> We had something like design docs. Nobody used 'em. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6215On2UYdCG2mzP9QyRYInaqdoQgtgelfYujBLbeA/pub
[20:34] <%MK> TDD = Technical Design Document
[20:34] <%MK> ding
[20:34] <%MK> Cuz nobody finishes jack shit
[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> I can't bend people's arms behind their backs without funding, apparently.
[20:34] <%MK> DING
[20:35] <Hermit_Qabal> Too many cooks. Too much arguing over dragon-yellowcabs.
[20:35] <+Varanu> Well, all right. That's true. Long have we wished for a way to bend people's arms behind their backs, because getting people to write things down at all is /stupid/ hard.
[20:36] <%MK> No, it's not, V.
[20:36] * Varanu tries not to be a bitch about this but sometimes she fails.
[20:36] <%MK> Writing is hard.
[20:36] <%MK> Writing is easy.
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[20:36] <+Varanu> Writing is /easy/. Rewriting is hard ;)
[20:36] <%MK> Writing is mouthfart.
[20:36] * RottenDeadite goes crosseyed.
[20:37] <%MK> Go crosseyed, dude
[20:37] <%MK> Look at your email
[20:37] <%MK> I told you if I funded this I would be more than an advisor
[20:37] <%MK> But I backed off, then got bored
[20:38] <%MK> Now I'm not
[20:38] <%MK> And what do you have to show for it?
[20:38] <%MK> What, RIGHT NOW, can I download and look at?
[20:38] <%MK> jack
[20:39] <%MK> At least when I right the 500 or Thereabouts I know I'm purposely going for TL;DR
[20:39] <%MK> *write
[20:41] <+Varanu> I was going to say we do have a /couple/ of art type things, but they're not broad-concept at /all/.
[20:41] <+Varanu> So, not really negating your point.
[20:41] <%MK> Like I said, I want you to succeed.
[20:41] <%MK> But you have no discerable plan.
[20:42] <%MK> I've outlined one for you
[20:42] <+Varanu> I did, incidentally, call my sister and ask how money changed things.
[20:42] <%MK> What did she say?
[20:42] <+Varanu> It does. You were right :P
[20:42] <%MK> Thanks.
[20:42] <+Varanu> And here I thought I could depend on the ties of blood, alas.
[20:42] <%MK> Even between the best of friends, it seals a deal.
[20:43] <%MK> Okay, is everyone properly pissed off?
[20:43] <+RottenDeadite> Man you must be a helluva guy to work for.
[20:43] <_stille_> you'll have to do with me being just sleepy.
[20:43] <+Varanu> Actually I'm sort of the opposite of pissed off now. Is that weird?
[20:44] <%MK> No, it's being a soldier.
[20:44] <Hermit_Qabal> Yes, but it's unrelated.
[20:44] <+RottenDeadite> The worst part is, I can't argue with any of this :D
[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> ^
[20:44] <!Dovahkiin> thank you
[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Well, I wouldn't say "worst"
[20:44] <+Varanu> I'm sort of half excited about Masser the Buncha Books, and half thinking, "Actually, learning how to do this properly could be fun."
[20:44] <%MK> Okay, then.
[20:45] <%MK> Let's get it all out. You already have the terms.
[20:45] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books? Not a bad thing at all.
[20:46] <+RottenDeadite> I'm assuming you want Secunda because of some reason in addition to the visuals?
[20:46] <%MK> Masser the Mod? You got me. And you'd be surprised how easy it is to work with me if you actually work.
[20:46] <%MK> And no one works without getting paid.
[20:46] <%MK> Nope.
[20:46] <+Varanu> lol
[20:46] <%MK> I want it because it's better.
[20:47] <%MK> Your VC wants it because he "knows better".
[20:47] <_stille_> we stepping on any other plans for masser?
[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe, stille.
[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> We'll see, I suspect.
[20:47] <%MK> It's better to look the fuck up, see Tamriel, see a big fucking red moon, and not be able to point to anything that exists in the lore and second guess it.
[20:48] <%MK> "the lore"
[20:48] <+Varanu> I'm also kind of thinking about what you said for Redguard. Pirate dude, sword fighting, solving puzzles, etc.
[20:48] <%MK> As a team, it's also better for you.
[20:48] <+Varanu> At its /heart/ none of that depends on setting.
[20:48] <+RottenDeadite> Oh? How so, MK?
[20:48] <%MK> ding
[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> It's a sandbox in which to operate
[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> That's how
[20:49] <%MK> Because you've been making a gas planet
[20:49] <%MK> Now you're going to try and make a mod
[20:50] <%MK> When you look at all that fucking Masser shit?
[20:50] <%MK> You're gonna only concentrate on what sells it.
[20:50] <+Varanu> eek brb
[20:50] <%MK> Part of that? It gets easier by moving it.
[20:51] <%MK> We need this. This is blah blah shit. This thing? Yeah, move it.
[20:51] <Mojo> It forces us to break down the project to it's bare bones to see what is salvageable.
[20:51] <%MK> You'll orbit and find it.
[20:51] <Mojo> Thus coming up with "Why am I here... etc
[20:51] <%MK> Mojo, you're almost there
[20:51] <Neradac> what youd want to put in a trailer?
[20:51] <%MK> Not "salvagable"
[20:52] <%MK> What is "essential
[20:52] <+Toesock> essential
[20:52] <%MK> jinx
[20:52] <+Toesock> lol
[20:52] <Mojo> Valid, I was looking at it from the wrong angle
[20:52] <%MK> It's okay
[20:52] <%MK> Let me tell you guys the most valuable tool in the Designer's Toolbox
[20:53] <+Varanu> inb4 it's a giant pair of scissors
[20:53] <%MK> (Besides knowing how to code)
[20:53] <%MK> It's the ability to honestly say "I don't know yet"
[20:54] <%MK> The kneejerk to that, because they want answers
[20:54] <+SemblioSanctii> Avoid jumping the gun on shit solutions for hypothetical problems?
[20:54] <+Varanu> In my job, you always always always have to follow that up with either, "But here's why it's not important," or "But here's how I'm going to find out."
[20:54] <+Varanu> Is it the same for design?
[20:54] <%MK> Right. Is to either WRITE or go stress the fuck out.
[20:55] <%MK> Yes
[20:55] <%MK> "I don't know yet, but I feel it."
[20:55] <%MK> But you're getting paid, right?
[20:55] <%MK> And they're the customer.
[20:55] <%MK> So you have to give them a date when your answer will be delivered.
[20:55] <+Varanu> I'm thrilled that so many of my current job skills translate so well, it's like professionalism is the same everywhere or something.
[20:55] <%MK> Kinda is.
[20:56] <%MK> :)
[20:56] <%MK> Don't pony up any money to anyone that's not in need or doesn't have a plan.
[20:56] <%MK> That's all.
[20:57] <%MK> Who here NEEDS Masser?
[20:57] <%MK> NEEDS a mod?
[20:57] <+RottenDeadite> I think I do.
[20:57] <+Varanu> Nah. I want it, but I'm not going to /die/.
[20:57] <+Varanu> Like actually literally die.
[20:58] <%MK> Then, V, you've found the limits of what you can contribute.
[20:58] <%MK> And that's no harm, no foul. That's honesty.
[20:58] <%MK> Like, I really NEED to fund C0DA.
[20:58] <%MK> I gotta see that motherfucker.
[20:58] <+Varanu> ...what happens if you don't?
[20:59] <%MK> That ain't gonna happen.
[20:59] <+Varanu> I mean. Do /you/ die?
[20:59] <%MK> Wait, what?
[20:59] <Neradac> lel
[21:00] <%MK> I will be forever unfulfilled if that's what you mean.
[21:00] <+Varanu> What I'm saying is I'm not relying on Masser to pay rent or eat, therefore I do not actually /need/ it per se.
[21:00] <%MK> And that won't happen.
[21:00] <+Varanu> Is that not what you were asking?
[21:00] <%MK> Maybe? I'm asking does Masser fulfill something that you can't live without?
[21:01] <%MK> Cuz that is what will make this thing.
[21:01] <Mojo> It's comparable to C0DA. MK isn't getting paid jack for that either
[21:01] <+Varanu> Oh. No.
[21:01] <%MK> That and money.
[21:01] <+Varanu> I'll cry a lot, but I'll get over it.
[21:02] <!Dovahkiin> It's a matter of how badly we want it, and I think everyone here wants it.
[21:02] <%MK> I just have to see it. And I've put together a plan to make sure I do.
[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Hmm.
[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Question is, what /is/ it, exactly?
[21:02] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books is an easier pressure valve.
[21:03] <%MK> Talk about that shit and play to your strengths.
[21:03] <%MK> Or get stronger and make that shit.
[21:03] <%MK> HQ, I don't understand the question.
[21:03] <Hermit_Qabal> Fundamentally
[21:04] <%MK> which...part of this are you referring to?
[21:04] <Hermit_Qabal> What do we want from Masser? What do we want it to be?
[21:04] <%MK> ah, okay
[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> And how far do we want to take it?
[21:04] <%MK> That's what the one-sheet and infrastructure is for.
[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> There's this thing some companies have to do . Like a mission statement.
[21:04] <%MK> You'll find out if you try.
[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> I think every single person here would be damn proud of a mod
[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> ANd that mission can't be "We wanna make money." 'Cause that won't work.
[21:04] <%MK> And if I'm out the money, O
[21:05] <%MK> I'm out the money
[21:05] <+Varanu> 's for figuring this out, is what that stuff is for.
[21:05] <+RottenDeadite> So "We wanna make a mod and put all our ideas in it" is a bullshit mission statement.
[21:05] <Mojo> I'd balk at it
[21:05] <Hermit_Qabal> I'll go first:
[21:05] <!Dovahkiin> It's vague too
[21:06] <%MK> Chris, remind me to share a really good design ruleset with you.
[21:06] <%MK> Guys
[21:06] <+RottenDeadite> K. Maybe tomorrow. My mind is going.
[21:06] <%MK> Just start with my three
[21:06] <%MK> What Do I Do?
[21:06] <%MK> How Do I Do It?
[21:06] <%MK> Why Do I Want to Keep Doing It?
[21:07] <%MK> Answer those? You got your mission statement.
[21:07] <%MK> 140 character or less with each answer
[21:08] <+Varanu> ...So, I'm still thinking about things I will be forever unfulfilled without, and things #1 and #2 on the list are my husband and this paper I'm writing on the past two years of my research, and both of those have been tragically neglected this evening.
[21:08] <+Varanu> I'll keep thinking about this. Seeya, guys.
[21:08] <_stille_> there's your priorities, Varanu
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[21:08] <_stille_> go go go
[21:08] <!Dovahkiin> cya V
[21:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Night var
[21:08] <Mojo> Later V
[21:08] <%MK> First question: "Explore the BLORT of Secunda, BLORT"
[21:09] <_stille_> did the Remanite empire ever do anything on Secunda?
[21:09] <Hermit_Qabal> Second: "Learn BLARGH, BLORT, and SMEGO."
[21:09] <%MK> Second question: some shit about new physics, new mechanics, new SOMETHING playable
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[21:09] <%MK> Naw, HQ, that's still the first
[21:09] <_stille_> 'cos the remnants of the Remanite space program bit is cool
[21:10] <%MK> Third question: something whoa! loot whoa! powahz WHOA!
[21:10] <%MK> seriously
[21:10] <_stille_> and I imagine khajiiti presence's been pretty well fucked by the void nights
[21:10] <!Dovahkiin> just *doing* the process is bound to be illuminating
[21:10] <%MK> Stille is writing again
[21:11] <_stille_> sorry
[21:11] <Hermit_Qabal> 1: Moonmoths
[21:11] <_stille_> was thinking aloud
[21:11] <%MK> Nope
[21:11] <%MK> Stop, HQ
[21:11] <%MK> You are a writer
[21:11] <%MK> Morgan, yes
[21:12] <!Dovahkiin> Rather than <lame baby/bathwater analogy>
[21:12] <%MK> I will PAY for you guys "just" to do these three things by 11/15, which a milestone on 11/1
[21:12] <%MK> *with
[21:12] <%MK> (sorry, mind is going, too)
[21:13] <%MK> How many of you are there?
[21:13] <+SemblioSanctii> Still here.
[21:13] <_stille_> still here but not for long
[21:13] <Mojo> Still on board
[21:13] <%MK> Naw, I mean, how many people would get a cut. lol
[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Hehe
[21:13] <+OPG> Here.
[21:13] <!Dovahkiin> SemblioSanctii, OPG, _stille_, Mojo, V, me, RD, oh wait
[21:13] <%MK> I don't care who's here here
[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Right, Dovah.
[21:14] <_stille_> ah lol, not me presumably. not going to have much time now with my masters' started
[21:14] <Mojo> Other than my 9-5 I have nothing but time
[21:14] <%MK> There's another peculiar American lesson
[21:14] <%MK> This is the absolute worst quarter to get buy in
[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> Because it's too late to publish by Black Friday?
[21:15] <%MK> Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years
[21:15] <%MK> No, people just got shit to do
[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> OH heh
[21:15] <%MK> "Code this shit? Or hang with the pumpkin carvers and possibly get some? PUMPKINS."
[21:16] <%MK> That's an aspect of the business model I would want to see
[21:16] <%MK> actual titles, actual tasks, with an actual heirarchy
[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> "titles" you mean job titles?
[21:17] <%MK> Yep
[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> k
[21:17] <%MK> Get used to it
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[21:18] <%MK> Okay, would you guys be up for something more fun tonight?
[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Sure.
[21:18] <%MK> gimme a sec
[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Thanks for the advice, and the offer
[21:18] <+SemblioSanctii> ^
[21:18] <_stille_> sure
[21:19] <+SemblioSanctii> Yes, it's very much appreciated.
[21:19] <Mojo> sure, thanks for the advice
[21:19] <%MK> Never a problem. I want to run around on the motherfucking moon, guys,
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[21:19] <%MK> All right, then. 11 minutes of spoilers.
[21:19] <%MK> Then
[21:19] <%MK> 30 minutes of AMA
[21:19] <+Varanu> My husband says "You can't talk about anything but Masser now anyway, girl, go do that."
[21:20] * myrrlyn promises to be good this time
[21:20] <%MK> Sorry, V, we decided to can the whole thing
[21:20] * Varanu has the most caring and understanding husband
[21:20] <+SemblioSanctii> lol
[21:20] <+Varanu> Oh, ok. I guess it's me and buncha books then? :D :D :D
[21:20] <+Varanu> ;)
[21:20] <Mojo> haha
[21:20] <%MK> ha
[21:20] <%MK> Okay, so here's a few cool things I'm up to
[21:21] <%MK> I secured an artist for two pretty awesome pages of C0DA
[21:21] <_stille_> how large is C0DA going to be?
[21:21] <%MK> I'm also going to be putting up on the c0da dot wut:
[21:21] <!Dovahkiin> lol, dot wut
[21:21] <Mojo> heh
[21:21] <%MK> An illustrated "Republic of Hahd"
[21:22] * OPG gasps
[21:22] * Mojo fist pumps
[21:22] <%MK> That'll be fun
[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Ooh, that's cool.
[21:22] <+myrrlyn> yissssss
[21:22] <%MK> And the artist for that is wicked
[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> I never read that
[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> Goddamn
[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> you really should dovah
[21:22] <%MK> And here's the kicker for today
[21:22] <%MK> UH OH
[21:22] <%MK> C0DA evidently has a prologue
[21:23] <%MK> And it's already written and its artist had been paid
[21:23] <%MK> It should debut in a month
[21:23] <Mojo> yusss
[21:23] <%MK> It's an unessential piece to the larger work
[21:24] <%MK> And in the spirit of c0da dot wut
[21:24] <+Varanu> cool :)
[21:24] <%MK> it's partly based on some older work
[21:24] <Mojo> Anything we've already seen?
[21:24] <%MK> it's somewhat a pity that it will be available before the larger work at hand
[21:24] <%MK> but it stands on its own anyway
[21:25] <%MK> yeah, mojo you've seen parts of it
[21:25] <_stille_> holy shit we have a date for the sweet breeze of landfall ruffling our hair
[21:25] <%MK> it got c0dified
[21:25] <Mojo> sweet
[21:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Good to hear
[21:26] <%MK> C0DA itself-- like I mentioned, this is the American season of Fuck I'm Busy-- is likely the end of q1 2014
[21:26] <%MK> Also in the works is The Water-Getting Girl
[21:26] <%MK> And the artists will be many
[21:27] <%MK> and no one you might expect
[21:27] <%MK> 3 more minutes of this
[21:27] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool. That's a fun one.
[21:27] <_stille_> yep
[21:27] <%MK> Unrelated to c0da dot wut
[21:27] <Mojo> anything else from Sean Self? His art was fantastic
[21:27] <Mojo> Scratch that, I'll wait
[21:28] <%MK> is a series of...
[21:28] <%MK> ...videos in the spirit of Loremaster Lawrence
[21:28] <+OPG> hahahaha
[21:28] <Mojo> hahaha
[21:28] <%MK> hahaha
[21:28] <_stille_> wut.
[21:28] <+SemblioSanctii> Oh man.
[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> yes
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[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> This
[21:28] <%MK> In which I will fuck all ya'll up with my mad secrets
[21:29] <+Varanu> I have not been watching those, are they amazing?
[21:29] <+OPG> The Vehk jumps over the Secunda
[21:29] <+Umpteen> Magicka!
[21:29] <+OPG> magicka!
[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> Shonni-Etta at Bedtime: A Reading.
[21:29] <+Varanu> Oh that one. I remember that one.
[21:29] <%MK> lol
[21:29] <Mojo> Yes SS
[21:29] <Mojo> hahaha
[21:29] <%MK> Yes. That might be one.
[21:29] <+RottenDeadite> OH that'd be a thing.
[21:29] <%MK> Actually more like I start it, say fuck it, and then decide to act it out
[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hah
[21:29] <%MK> As Lawrence intended
[21:29] <_stille_> daamn
[21:30] <%MK> With that fucking MUSIC
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> Bedtime story based on sermon 14
[21:30] <%MK> and that fucking BACKGROUND
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> (I'm sorry)
[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> hehehe
[21:30] <%MK> Okay, one more drink then AMA
[21:30] <%MK> Get 'em ready
[21:30] <%MK> and don't cheat
[21:30] <+Varanu> ...cheat?
[21:30] <_stille_> how do you cheat at an AMA?
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> won't
[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> ?
[21:30] <+Varanu> how can you cheat at asking questions
[21:30] <+SemblioSanctii> Subtley.
[21:30] <%MK> some people here can cheat
[21:30] <%MK> that's all
[21:30] <Neradac> AMA? truly?
[21:31] <%MK> truly
[21:31] <%MK> anything but breaking NDA
[21:31] <%MK> go
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[21:31] <%MK> (and be ncie to one another)
[21:31] <Mojo> Who or what is the Nu-Hatta?
[21:31] <%MK> A moth-priest of high station.
[21:31] <%MK> go
[21:31] <Neradac> Clockwork city, what is its purpose?
[21:32] <%MK> Sotha Sil never figured that out. But a fellow dunmer will.
[21:32] <%MK> go
[21:32] <+OPG> Are the ties/similarities between Molag Bal and the Sload intentional?
[21:32] <%MK> no fucking clue there was one
[21:32] <+RottenDeadite> • Biting: This term seems to mean one thing in the Lessons and another elsewhere. Are they the same thing? What the heck is Biting, basically?
[21:32] <%MK> Borrowing
[21:32] <%MK> go
[21:32] <%MK> well wait
[21:33] <%MK> Borrowing with no intention of keeping it as it was in its original form. that's more apt.
[21:33] <%MK> now go
[21:33] <Neradac> Dreaming Cavern, what was discussed in the meeting of Sotha Sil and the daedric princes?
[21:33] <+RottenDeadite> Ah ookay that's better.
[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe What are the hardware requirements for TalOS?
[21:34] <%MK> I didn't write that. I...don't necessarily care for it.
[21:34] <%MK> Chris, fff
[21:34] <Neradac> Aw.
[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> :D
[21:34] <%MK> dummy
[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Can you talk about Vivec's Children for me?
[21:34] <%MK> 16
[21:34] <Hermit_Qabal> What's the deal with inquiry trees?
[21:34] <%MK> which question comes first?
[21:34] <_stille_> in azura and the box, when did the alteration of the hidden object from a square sphere to a red flower happen in that text's history,and does the red flower mean amaranth or something connected?
[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> The bit last night about the Treasure Wood Sword really knocked me on my ass.
[21:34] <_stille_> whichever, we're not picky
[21:35] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, dude, answer as you will
[21:35] <%MK> stille, the Amaranth will be answered but not here. INFER
[21:35] <%MK> Inquiry Trees? Not sure what you mean.
[21:36] <Mojo> Sphinx Moth Inquiry Trees
[21:36] <+RottenDeadite> Who or what is the Drowned Lamp?
[21:36] <%MK> Azura in the box? I didn't write it.
[21:36] <+OPG> Why didn't the ALMSIVI acquire plane(t) forms outside Nirn upon apotheosis, as Mannimarco did?
[21:36] <%MK> Vivec's Children: they are all of the metaphors made real for hir to deal with before the Hortator.
[21:36] <+Varanu> Wait, gender-neutral pronoun?
[21:36] <+Varanu> :D
[21:37] <_stille_> :D
[21:37] <%MK> ALMSIVI got kilt or ran or had other ideas.
[21:37] <Mojo> good catch
[21:37] <Neradac> Where is the clockwork city? And if Sotha did not know its purpose, who built it?
[21:37] <+RottenDeadite> Metaphors such as Moon Axle as... Structures of belief, I think?
[21:37] <%MK> It's where he said it was, in that thing I did not write.
[21:37] <Neradac> <.<
[21:37] <+Varanu> Why was it ever /not/ a gender-neutral pronoun? I thought it was the male-as-default thing again, I was saddened.
[21:37] <Mojo> When Vehk appeared from the Aether in the Loveletter, how did he do so?
[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> In an old school map of Morrowind, Nera, there was a city named Sotha Sil I think.
[21:38] <+Umpteen> Gender neutral not same as doubly gendered, methinks V
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[21:38] <%MK> Well, kinda. But that lil asshole was made out of STRAIGHT LINES. That was a thing.
[21:38] <+SemblioSanctii> hi 759
[21:38] <+Varanu> Well, no, but there also wasn't switching of pronouns or anything. It was all male pronoun all the time.
[21:38] <Memospore759> hi!
[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah the same lines used in wheels. I'm having so much trouble with those children, man.
[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> But talk about the Drowned Lamp, please.
[21:38] <+Umpteen> ^
[21:39] <%MK> @Mojo, that will be slightly answered in something I can't talk about. INFER.
[21:39] <Mojo> I kind of figured. Okeee
[21:39] <%MK> Drowned Lamp: Knowledge that is lost.
[21:39] <Neradac> Are the elder scrolls fragments of Aka? since ada-mantia is a scroll case both and aka's capsule?
[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Wait, what? Then why does Vivec say that the Drowned Lamp is a possible "ending" for Cyrus?
[21:40] <%MK> @Neredac, no the the former. Aka's capsule? Yes, it held one. A big one.
[21:40] <Mojo> Cyrus could be lost, even in the history books
[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooohhhh
[21:40] <%MK> @Rotten, know-- jinx
[21:40] <+OPG> Is Numinatus related to Pelinal?
[21:40] <!Dovahkiin> What is the ultimate purpose of the Whirling School?
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[21:41] <%MK> @OPG Numinatus in what form?
[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> [Going mobile, I'll be watching]
[21:41] <Hermit_Qabal> Tsaesci: literal vampires?
[21:41] <+OPG> Aka connections, time travel, weird left hand.
[21:41] <+OPG> The form we've had a small glimpse of, I guess.
[21:41] <%MK> @Morgan, That's in the Sermons. Nothing has changed.
[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> Ok.
[21:41] <%MK> @OPG, naw, just themes I like to keep doing
[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Triangular Gate shaped thusly because of ALMSIVI or because of a different (but likely related) triune of forces?
[21:42] <%MK> (But N v P might be fun)
[21:42] <Neradac> hum
[21:42] <%MK> The latter
[21:42] <_stille_> is it the anticipations?
[21:42] <_stille_> enantiomorph
[21:42] <%MK> Which begs the question, who in the Triune is Anu?
[21:42] <%MK> Go
[21:42] <Mojo> Did Tosh Raka mantle Akatosh?
[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> HAH
[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Alma.
[21:42] <Mojo> misfire
[21:42] <%MK> @Mojo, yes
[21:43] <%MK> @Mojo, but not in the sense that Tamriel has
[21:43] <%MK> "has"
[21:43] <+RottenDeadite> Is Narsis the City of the Dead? Or Necrom?
[21:43] <Neradac> Where did the khajiit originate from?
[21:43] <%MK> Chris, that ain't even a question
[21:44] <%MK> @Neredac, from an Earth Bone that had a fetish
[21:44] <+RottenDeadite> Okay: "Love is under My Will Only." Is Vivec saying that everyone else's will is the same as his own? Or is this more of the I AM ALL ARE WE stuff?
[21:44] <+SemblioSanctii> What is the (modern) status or position of the One in Cyrodiilic religion? Temple of the One, yet they all prattle on a bout the Divines without much respect towards any grand unity.
[21:44] <Neradac> .-.
[21:45] <%MK> @SS, I don't like the Temple of the One as a narrative construct. If only because its name is gay.
[21:45] <+OPG> Do the Colovians have southern accents?
[21:45] <+Varanu> lol
[21:45] <%MK> @Chris: the clue is the word "my"
[21:45] <Neradac> If the dwemer had the heart, why did (iirc) Kagrenac seemed to need to make a mantella?
[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> OH SHIT
[21:45] <_stille_> and the difference from Crowley's formulation I presume :P
[21:45] * RottenDeadite 's head explodes.
[21:45] <%MK> 5
[21:45] <+Varanu> Run, Rotten, write down theories.
[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> DUDE
[21:45] <+Umpteen> What's the revelation?
[21:46] <_stille_> he can tell us after :P
[21:46] <+Varanu> he's achieved enlightenment, he can't talk anymore
[21:46] <Mojo> or zero summed
[21:46] <+OPG> Does the God of Worms orbit Nirn or Arkay, or is it all arbitrary?
[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> To MEHRUNES DAGON whose mistress is the Blazing Sun.
[21:46] <_stille_> either that or he's zerosumming right this very moment
[21:46] <%MK> Having the Heart was just circumstance. And btw they made a MERtella.
[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> Who's Dagon's mistress?
[21:46] <Neradac> hmm
[21:46] <Hermit_Qabal> Why are beards important to the spiritual difference between menfolk and merfolk?
[21:46] <%MK> HQ, lol
[21:46] <%MK> that
[21:46] <_stille_> yes HQ
[21:46] <_stille_> that
[21:47] <%MK> shit
[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> hahaha
[21:47] <+Varanu> HQ, what.
[21:47] <%MK> that is an actual story
[21:47] <+Varanu> Wait, really?
[21:47] <Hermit_Qabal> yes
[21:47] <+Varanu> do the Dwemer come into it?
[21:47] <%MK> We've got three minutes, but yes...
[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> Yes, Varanu, and also the lifespan of the races.
[21:47] <+OPG> I thought you said 30 minutes of AMA?
[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> First rule: MK lies ;)
[21:47] <%MK> ...beards were mortals' first physical manifestation of argument stances. No joke.
[21:48] <+Varanu> Sorry, Rotten. I have a thing about beards.
[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Huh.
[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> *sputter*
[21:48] <%MK> this isn't 30 minutes?
[21:48] <_stille_> ...if anyone asks about RL correspondences to the races I will murder you and murder you again until you learn better
[21:48] <%MK> og
[21:48] <%MK> er
[21:48] <%MK> oh
[21:48] <%MK> yeah, okay 12
[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> I'll help, stille.
[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Who is Mehrunes Dagon's mistress, the Blazing Sun?
[21:48] <+Varanu> lol, stille.
[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Surely not Magnus...?
[21:48] <%MK> Kasper knows the beard myth. It will appear.
[21:49] <%MK> @Chris, I give no fucks about that gay shit.
[21:49] <Hermit_Qabal> cool
[21:49] <%MK> go
[21:49] <+RottenDeadite> HAH I was sure you'd written it :D
[21:49] <+OPG> What are the Stones of Crystal-Like-Law, Falinesti, and Orichalc?
[21:49] <%MK> Me? BLAZING SUN?
[21:50] <%MK> CLL: A person. F: a fruit. O: a sword.
[21:50] <_stille_> yeah are the stones stuff that's connected to lorkhan or something? like his heart, the cave of snow-throat
[21:50] <%MK> go
[21:50] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah because of... Lemmie find the pic.
[21:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Is YR of the PGE1's marginal notes still around, and if so does he have any relevance to the present Thalmor situaiton?
[21:50] <%MK> No, his story is over.
[21:51] <%MK> His Severest Uncle's, however... hmmm
[21:51] <%MK> go
[21:51] <%MK> 9
[21:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK is this not your artwork?
https://www.dropbox....b3z/Armor01.jpg
[21:51] <+RottenDeadite> Might not be, just making sure.
[21:51] <_stille_> what happened to Xal?
[21:52] <%MK> Yeah, that's me
[21:52] <_stille_> and is Divayth Fyr still around? Yagrum Bagarn?
[21:52] <Hermit_Qabal> Thalmor - Woodsy connection (Mora: forest) or somethingsomething Elhnofex Hermy tentacleshit?
[21:52] <+Varanu> oh, stille. good one with Divayth Fyr.
[21:52] <+RottenDeadite> Then "The Face of the Husband of Fire" was what led me to believe the Blazing Sun was your thing.
[21:52] <%MK> Xal? No idea. DF: Not my department. YB: Just wait til you see where he is. INFER.
[21:53] <%MK> HQ, yes, a connection
[21:53] <%MK> Remember
[21:53] <+OPG> Why did the Kothringi move from Cyrod to Black Marsh? Was it Tiber's dejungling, or did the populations just settle in different spots and become distinct over time?
[21:53] <%MK> Morag Tong meant "Forester's Guild" -- and FUCKING CUT THEM WEEDS
[21:53] <+RottenDeadite> O_O
[21:53] <Mojo> What's the connection between Mankar and Vivec saying this: “Whisper to earth and earth, where the meddlers take no stones except to blood, as blood IS blood, and to the cracking of bone, as bone IS bone, and so to crack and answer and fall before the one and one, I call you Dragon as brother and king.”
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[21:54] <+SemblioSanctii> hi owls!
[21:54] <+Varanu> owwwwwls
[21:54] <_stille_> what was the name given at birth to the chimer that later became Vivec?
[21:54] <%MK> @OPG, Kothringi have been around way too long for me to answer that properly
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[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> stille: Vehk?
[21:54] <+Varanu> It ain't Vehk.
[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> Oh no wait nm
[21:54] <+Umpteen> In Sermon 0...
[21:54] <%MK> @Mojo, that's an actual Mesopotaslkjdklasjdlskjdalksj curse I "bited"
[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Oooh cool!
[21:55] <+Varanu> Hah.
[21:55] <%MK> Sermon 0 can suck my dick
[21:55] <Mojo> SWEET
[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> hehe
[21:55] <+Umpteen> That's the poinr]t
[21:55] <+Umpteen> oops
[21:55] <%MK> 5
[21:55] <+OPG> Were the Sload going to be in Morrowind?
[21:55] <%MK> Yes
[21:55] <+OPG> I fukken knew it
[21:55] <%MK> lol
[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Why did Tiber reinstate lunar exploration? And why did he stop?
[21:56] <%MK> That's in CvT. Can't answer that yet.
[21:56] <+SemblioSanctii> Whatever DID make the left-handed elves so sinistral?
[21:56] <+OPG> On that note, how did he gather the resources?
[21:56] <+OPG> oh, nvm
[21:56] <%MK> @SS, They Fought Different
[21:56] <%MK> that's a thing in Yoku
[21:56] <%MK> go
[21:56] <%MK> 4
[21:56] <_stille_> not getting an answer to mine?
[21:57] <Memospore471> Who betrayed Sancre Tor to Talos?
[21:57] <+OPG> Is Y'ffre/Jephre significantly tied to Kyne/Kynareth?
[21:57] <%MK> we'll save it stille, I'll answer, pinky swear
[21:57] <_stille_> ok
[21:57] <_stille_> thank you
[21:57] <+RottenDeadite> Oh that'll be awesome
[21:57] <%MK> @471, Talos did
[21:57] <+OPG> (As in, like, separate aspects of the same monolith n' all that)
[21:57] <Memospore759> what's up with the Tharnatos nowadays?
[21:57] <%MK> 3
[21:58] <%MK> @OPG, not that I'm aware of or working on
[21:58] <%MK> @759, his story is over
[21:58] <Hermit_Qabal> Been a gas.
[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> In Ehlnofex, what does AI mean?
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[21:58] <+Varanu> seeya, HQ
[21:58] <+Varanu> ....
[21:58] <%MK> AE or AI?
[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> AI
[21:59] <Mojo> What is the Breaking mentioned in the Magne-Ge text?
[21:59] <%MK> It's 'fex, hard to say. Say it really fucking loud and figure it out. seriously.
[21:59] <+OPG> 'eeeyyyy!!!
[21:59] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm...
[21:59] <%MK> Breaking: Magnus left
[21:59] <%MK> 1
[21:59] <+SemblioSanctii> Followup, is there much more ehlnofex thought of or written out than what we've seen?
[22:00] <+OPG> Skyrim MQ; Alduin ending the kalpa or playing petty dictator?
[22:00] <+SemblioSanctii> I mean, that's actually been considered.
[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> Dammit dude at some point please write something about the Walking Ways.
[22:00] <Mojo> What is Magnus doing lately?
[22:00] <_stille_> seconding Rotten
[22:00] <%MK> Everyone gets one more, stille gets two, one of which is her first
[22:00] <%MK> STOP
[22:00] <%MK> My hands can't type that fast
[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> :D
[22:00] <%MK> Okay, convene and go
[22:01] <%MK> piss-making
[22:01] <%MK> brb
[22:01] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Thinking over a cheese quesadilla.
[22:01] <%MK> (ha)
[22:02] <+RottenDeadite> Confirm or Deny: Hurling Disk = Amaranth?
[22:02] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?
[22:02] <%MK> one at a time
[22:03] <%MK> stille goes first with her first
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[22:03] <+Varanu> bye, bird :(
[22:03] <%MK> (Can't be bothered to scroll)
[22:03] <+RottenDeadite> :(
[22:03] <_stille_> you mean the red flower one in azura and the box you said you won't answer yet?
[22:04] <%MK> Red box/flower is easy: wasn't me. Don't care.
[22:04] <%MK> Next.
[22:04] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Hurling Disk the Amaranth?
[22:04] <%MK> no
[22:04] * RottenDeadite nods.
[22:04] <%MK> (less one)
[22:04] <%MK> go
[22:05] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?
[22:05] <%MK> wow, this is a good one
[22:05] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah
[22:06] <%MK> It would be a cop out to say that there was just history of knowledge getting the way...
[22:07] <%MK> ...but there IS something important there. Let me convene with the actual writer of the Sermons and get back to you. You get a bonus one for that.
[22:07] <+RottenDeadite> hah
[22:07] <Mojo> Mnemoli- does it have to do with knowledge or memory of failed Amaranth?
[22:07] <Neradac> Who is Alinor? Or if he wasnt someone, whats the insect god the thalmor so lovingly worship?
[22:08] <%MK> @Mojo, that's a wide net you got there. Narrow it.
[22:08] <Mojo> hmmm
[22:08] <%MK> @Neredac, It's the oldest name of the Set. It wasn't a person in the sense you mean.
[22:09] <+myrrlyn> (taken from the community) Was there really a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, or was the actual truth just so strange that people could not agree on the transpired events?
[22:10] <%MK> Okay, first ask yourself if you really want me to answer that.
[22:10] <%MK> @Mojo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic
[22:10] <+myrrlyn> eh, probably not
[22:10] <+myrrlyn> What is the Second Walking Way?
[22:10] <Mojo> I redact my question. I don't want it answered anymore
[22:11] <%MK> @myrrlyn, the long road that the enemy always puts before you but you walk it anyway
[22:11] <+RottenDeadite> O_O
[22:11] <Mojo> holy shit
[22:11] <_stille_> we broke Rotten
[22:11] <Mojo> Back to the drawingboard for me
[22:11] <%MK> ha
[22:11] * RottenDeadite drools a little...
[22:12] <+Varanu> Rotten is having far too exciting an evening.
[22:12] <%MK> next
[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Did any important organs/organ-analogues of Lorkh's besides the Heart (and excluding ebony godsblood) survive, and if so might they be present on the moons?
[22:12] <+RottenDeadite> IT'S ALL ADDING UP BABY
[22:12] <%MK> (I really want a cheese quesadilla)
[22:12] <+myrrlyn> share with the class, bud
[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> ok, back
[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> quesadilla was delicious, and chipotle is fast
[22:12] <_stille_> you'll have to tell us what's it all adding up to, Rotten :P
[22:12] <%MK> @SS, yep, a buncha his shit is up in them motherfuckers
[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool.
[22:13] <%MK> (That's not really an answer, but you already knew his body was both of 'em)
[22:14] <%MK> Also, he'll make an appearance in [NUMINIT]
[22:14] <%MK> next
[22:14] <Mojo> Replacement question- Have we seen "N" yet?
[22:14] <%MK> Didn't I answer that last night?
[22:14] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, didn't you?
[22:14] <Mojo> You answered if N was the new man
[22:14] <!Dovahkiin> Yes, you did
[22:14] <Mojo> Aw shit
[22:14] <%MK> What did I say?
[22:14] <+myrrlyn> "that's what it means yeah"
[22:15] <%MK> I mean what I say. snort.
[22:15] <%MK> next
[22:15] <%MK> stille has one more, if I'm not wrong
[22:15] <Neradac> wait, is road 2 sort of being doom-driven then?
[22:15] <_stille_> "Then Wulfharth said: "Don't you see where you really are? Don't you know who Shor really is? Don't you know what this war is?" And they looked from the King to the God to the Devils and Orcs, and some knew, really knew, and they are the ones that stayed."
[22:15] <%MK> anyone silent can make me a quesadilla
[22:15] <_stille_> what did they really knew
[22:15] <+OPG> I haven't gone, either.
[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later Nera.
[22:16] <_stille_> know even
[22:16] * _stille_ can't type
[22:16] <%MK> nice one
[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> I've been waiting for that one :)
[22:16] <%MK> They were inside the Dragon Break of the Red Moment
[22:16] <Mojo> snap
[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> OHHHHHHHH
[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> asdfasdfasdfasd
[22:16] <+Varanu> O_o
[22:16] <_stille_> oh dear
[22:16] <+Varanu> I thought you weren't going to answer that one.
[22:17] <%MK> AMA
[22:17] <%MK> (Cept not really)
[22:17] <+OPG> Okay, mine.
[22:17] <%MK> I guess that kinda answers the one myrlynn was asking too
[22:17] <+OPG> What is Sithis?
[22:17] <%MK> oops
[22:17] <%MK> My Sithis?
[22:17] <+RottenDeadite> Yes.
[22:17] <+OPG> yep
[22:18] <%MK> At its basest, it would be complete and utter misanthropy
[22:19] <Neradac> Whats the meaning of the mix-ups between auri-el and Anui-el?
[22:19] <%MK> It's a hole
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> And yet it's the start of all houses...?
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH
[22:19] <%MK> That's how you... right.
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH I think I get it.
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> That's how you seperate yourself from other people.
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Houses divide people.
[22:19] <Mojo> ^
[22:19] <_stille_> :D
[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Sithis is the inspiration for seperation.
[22:19] <%MK> @Neredac, you had yours
[22:19] * RottenDeadite does a little dance.
[22:20] <Neradac> ah well :P
[22:20] <%MK> Are we all done? Did Morgan go?
[22:20] <+myrrlyn> i dont think so no
[22:20] <+RottenDeadite> No Morgan's thinking.
[22:20] <%MK> Otherwise, Imma bow out.
[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> V has one, I'm thinking. Still.
[22:20] <%MK> Go, V.
[22:20] <+Varanu> I haven't gone either, but I'm sort of mourning the Dragon Break at Red Mountain thing.
[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> (I think V has one)
[22:21] <%MK> Why mourning?
[22:21] <+Varanu> I had a long complicated fan theory about the whole thing ;)
[22:21] <+Varanu> as one does
[22:21] <+RottenDeadite> Not NEARLY as complex as my Sithis theory V :D
[22:21] <%MK> Remember always that your Nerevine gets to decide and no one else.
[22:21] <+Varanu> I was going to ask you who /really/ struck the Heart, Nerevar or Kagrenac, but if it was a Dragon Break...
[22:22] <%MK> If it was a Dragon Break, you get to tell me
[22:22] <+Varanu> ah, I suppose :)
[22:22] <%MK> You got one if you want it.
[22:23] <Neradac> brb
[22:23] <%MK> I really gotta call it at 10:30
[22:23] <Mojo> Yeah what happened to dinner?
[22:23] <+Varanu> ...why is Vivec so consistently presented as masculine, if he's a hermaphrodite?
[22:23] <+Varanu> Male pronouns, male appearance in game, etc.
[22:23] <%MK> oh, V, just...wait for it.
[22:23] <%MK> INFER
[22:24] <+Varanu> But it /is/ a thing?
[22:24] <%MK> it probably is the BEST thing
[22:24] <+Varanu> It's not just "characters are male unless specifically stated otherwise" oh YAY
[22:24] <%MK> not at all
[22:24] <+Varanu> :)
[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> What's with all the musical connotations behind Elder Scrolls? You said last night that tonal architecture is similar to synaesthesia, but there's obviously something greater at play here.
[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> [e.g. attuning spheres, etc]
[22:25] <%MK> You mean like, I dunno, the name of "C0DA"?
[22:25] <+RottenDeadite> OH FUCK ME
[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, I'm still figuring that stuff out
[22:25] <%MK> lol
[22:26] <%MK> I can't really answer that without sounding like a fag
[22:26] <%MK> give me a moment
[22:26] <+myrrlyn> get your gay on then. it's fun.
[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> And, yeah, Coda = finale. I *knew* that. But...
[22:26] <Neradac> oh gawd..
[22:26] <Mojo> Finale isn't totally correct
[22:26] <+RottenDeadite>
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Coda_(music)
[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> "closing piece"
[22:26] <+Varanu> It's not really /quite/ a finale.
[22:26] <+RottenDeadite> For the techincally minded.
[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> yeah
[22:26] <+myrrlyn> yeah it's more of a denouement, i guess?
[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> I was about to link that
[22:26] <+Varanu> Oh man. You know what would be /amazing/?
[22:27] <+Varanu> Landfall fugue.
[22:27] <+Varanu> I would listen to that /for ever/.
[22:27] <Mojo> It's an ending that is separate from the rest of the piece
[22:27] <%MK> seriously, hold and I'll answer the music question
[22:28] <_stille_> we're holding, we're just holding while chattering excitedly at each other like kids on Christmas day waiting for the big present to be opened :P
[22:29] <%MK> don't get too worked up
[22:29] <%MK> Tamriel
[22:29] <%MK> Starry Heart
[22:29] <%MK> That whole fucking thing is a song
[22:30] <%MK> It was made either out of 12 planets
[22:30] <%MK> or from two brothers that split in the womb
[22:30] <%MK> either way, it's the primal wail
[22:30] <%MK> and those that grew up on it
[22:30] <%MK> they can't help but hear it
[22:31] <%MK> and add to it
[22:31] * _stille_ is playing the Sunshine adagio from here and recommends you do so too
[22:31] <%MK> or try to control it
[22:31] <%MK> or run from it
[22:31] <Mojo> Seems so obvious now
[22:31] <Neradac> hah
[22:31] <%MK> the reason there IS music on Tamriel at ALL
[22:31] <%MK> is because it exists
[22:31] * Varanu is listening to the Fugue in D Minor on harpsichord. Sunshine adagio will have to wait.
[22:31] <%MK> it was and is
[22:32] <%MK> and it will not stop
[22:32] <%MK> there are repeats in it
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[22:32] <Mojo> I have to get going guys. Talk to you all tomorrow. and Thanks MK for the advice and offers and of course spoilers
[22:32] <Mojo> Take care
[22:32] <%MK> plays on a tune
[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> (hi 2939)
[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> cya mojo
[22:32] <%MK> variations
[22:32] <%MK> and most likely
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[22:33] <%MK> Magnus?
[22:33] <%MK> he's the one that made the fucker
[22:33] <%MK> and now that's why he looks back on it
[22:33] <%MK> every single day
[22:33] <%MK> that's his promise
[22:33] <%MK> when you wake up, I will still listen
[22:33] <%MK> I'm sorry I left
[22:33] <%MK> but hey
[22:33] <_stille_> what about Magnus?
[22:34] <%MK> I'm still right up here
[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later stille
[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Aurbis is Love.
[22:34] <%MK> And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then.
[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Amaranth is Love.
[22:34] <%MK> and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around
[22:34] <%MK> the last real moment
[22:35] <%MK> The Mnemoli?
[22:35] <%MK> They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls.
[22:35] <%MK> They cannot be fixed until seen.
[22:35] <%MK> And they cannot be seen until a moment.
[22:35] <%MK> And you, your hero, makes that moment,
[22:35] <%MK> Does that make sense?
[22:35] <+Umpteen> A lot.
[22:35] <_stille_> yes
[22:35] <%MK> Cuz I'm done.
[22:35] <!Dovahkiin> Yes
[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> I... yeah.
[22:35] <+myrrlyn> that
[22:35] <+myrrlyn> was
[22:35] <Neradac> da
[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> thanks
[22:36] <+Varanu> 's pretty :)
[22:36] <+myrrlyn> beautiful
[22:36] <_stille_> I'd hug you were we in the same room.
[22:36] <+OPG> huh
[22:36] <+Umpteen> So, that solar library.
[22:36] <%MK> Thanks for a good question to end on, Morgan.
[22:37] <!Dovahkiin> Best answer. Thank you.
[22:37] <%MK> lol fuck off, umpteen. I can't do more than that tonight.
[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe
[22:37] <+Varanu> lol
[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Going to bed.
[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Thank you so much, MK.
[22:37] <%MK> one second, Chris
[22:37] <%MK> Think about the last scene in C0DA
[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I FUCKING AM DUDE :D
[22:37] <%MK> And ask me about music again.
[22:37] <%MK> lol.
[22:38] <!Dovahkiin> who are you talking to? :p
[22:38] <+RottenDeadite> It's the formula of the tetragrammatron
[22:38] <%MK> "I wrote of this in a [future] life"
[22:38] <%MK> no spoilers
[22:38] <%MK> But yeah. Last scene. Last page. There's your music. There's your coda to the last time around.
[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> I'm gonna sleep and dream the greatest stuff ever.
[22:39] <%MK> Time to make new moments.
[22:39] <%MK> Best place for it.
[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> ...
[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Oh.
[22:39] <%MK> Dream, people.
[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> Goodnight, all!
[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Night, RD
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[22:39] <+Varanu> night, Rotten :)
[22:39] <+Varanu> ...
[22:39] <+Varanu> again
[22:39] <%MK> aight. I'm out too.
[22:39] <+Varanu> seeya :)
[22:39] <+Umpteen> K bye have fun
[22:39] <_stille_> night Rotten
[22:40] <+Varanu> ty stille
[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> Thanks and see ya.
[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Cya MK
[22:40] <%MK> We could do this on reddit, but I fear them.
[22:40] <+myrrlyn> teslore's pretty nice this time of year
[22:40] <%MK> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DWEMER?
[22:40] <+Varanu> makes sense, they are all savage beasts over there
[22:40] <+Varanu> lol
[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> If it's a live one, PoPs & co
[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Mods would remove that crap
[22:40] <%MK> HOW LONG DO ELVES LIVE?
[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> can beat down inanity very well
[22:40] <+myrrlyn> god dammit now you gave them another century
[22:40] <_stille_> WHAT ARE THE RW EQUIVALENT TO TES RACES?!?!
[22:41] * _stille_ stabs herself in the eye
[22:41] <+Varanu> If Stormcloak Vivec and Imperial Tiber Septim had a fight, who would win and where would the loser's soul go after he died?
[22:41] <%MK> Maybe we will. But there's something about writing live that it wouldn't replace.
[22:41] <%MK> lol
[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> lol Varanu
[22:41] <%MK> talk soon.
[22:41] <%MK> night.
[22:41] <+SemblioSanctii> night
[22:41] <_stille_> night
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[22:41] <_stille_> well, morning
[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Var, they would kill each other, then hold hands together as they skip merrily into /r/shittyteslore
[22:42] <+Varanu> there are exactly nineteen minutes left until morning for me.
[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> lol
[22:42] <+Umpteen> I need to fight now
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[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Aw.
[22:42] <+Varanu> Sembz, would they then proceed to make out?
[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> of course.
[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> messily.
[22:42] <+Varanu> :D
[22:42] <+myrrlyn> and reacharounds
[22:42] <+myrrlyn> cant forget those
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[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> While Wulfhearth and Ayem worked the cameras.
[22:43] <+Varanu> that is no longer making out.
[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> hmm, RD might have read it too
[22:43] <+myrrlyn> not with THAT attitude
[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> :p
[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> looks that way
[22:43] <+Varanu> wat, myrr
[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> Iiiiiinteresting. Very iiinteresting.
[22:43] <+Varanu> I am never making out with you.
[22:43] <_stille_> what's Sotha doing however?
[22:43] <+Varanu> I mean. I wasn't going to anyway.
[22:43] <+Varanu> But still.
[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Sotha's in the corner with Nerevar's mask.
[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Still.
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[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Staring into your soul.
[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> "mask"
[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> face*
[22:43] <+Varanu> The Red Moment orgy is canon.
[22:44] <+Varanu> Next time MK shows up I'm showing it to him.
[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> lol
[22:44] <+Varanu> Someone dare me.
[22:44] <_stille_> I dare you
[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Double'd.
[22:44] <+Varanu> lol
[22:44] <+OPG> I triple dog dare you.
[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> How would an orgy work during a Dragon Break?
[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Just out of the blue.
[22:44] <+myrrlyn> how WOULDN'T it work
[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> All possible combinations of sex attempted
[22:45] <+OPG> I nonuple dog dare yo, Var
[22:45] <+Varanu> OK.
[22:45] * Varanu rereads the sucker
[22:46] <+SemblioSanctii> Right, so. Dunno about you guys but I'm not drafting 140-char bits or looking for images until tomorrow.
[22:46] <_stille_> also is it me or there;s a moment in some obscure text (perhaps the Hogithum Hall RP) where there's some mentions of the one who'd become Vivec and his black hands as he touches the Heart in that one red moment?
[22:46] <+Varanu> I think so.
[22:46] <+Varanu> At least it sounds familiar.
[22:46] <_stille_> yah I know
[22:46] <+myrrlyn> i can check hogi
[22:46] <_stille_> please do
[22:46] <Neradac> So aka, biggest scroll of them all
[22:46] <Neradac> and what are the set
[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.
[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.
[22:48] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.
[22:48] <+myrrlyn> only instance of "red moment" in text
[22:48] <+Varanu> I am so happy about the pronouns thing, by the way.
[22:48] <+SemblioSanctii> in the entire trial or just the ending bit? /pedantic for certanity
[22:49] <+Varanu> It makes my brain buzz slightly.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> whole thing
[22:49] <+SemblioSanctii> kk
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> As Vehk and Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Know that with the Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie.
[22:49] <+myrrlyn> full quote, srry