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[fabinou87]

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Je n'ai pas été clair, Mea Culpa : je parle du premier Sheogorath, celui qui est apparu lors de la déchirure de Lorkhan. Pas des évènements des Shivering Isles. Le premier Sheogorath a clairement volé le Plan/Tour de Jygg en se posant comme son énantiomorphe.

Par contre, voir Sheoggorath comme un Observateur Voleur dans l'Enantiomorphe, j'ai un peu de mal.
Le Voleur peut posséder plusieurs place, mais il doit toujours au moins pouvoir se placer en Observateur.

Après une longue reflexion sur ma proposition je reviens pour reprendre quelques points, notamment celui ci. Dans mon esprit Sheogorath a tenu plusieurs places dans un Enantiomorphes : lors du tout premier (quand il prend le trône de Jygg) c'est un Roi/Rebelle et dans son tout dernier (lors de sa marche grise, la toute premiere) c'est un Observateur, il observe Jygg contre le futur Sheo.

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Le GodHead est un univers fermé, où tout est recyclé, tout a une place. Les Aedra ne semblent pas connaitre la mort, les Daedra quand ils sont sensés mourir reviennent des eaux d'Oblivion. Les mortels voient leurs âmes se faire recycler. Quoi qu'on fasse dans le GodHead on est prisonnier. A partir de cet état de fait, tout empêche Sheogorath de disparaitre ! Rien ne disparait jamais du Godhead !

Zero-Sum. la disparition totale. Qui est considérée comme le pire des échecs. Le but n'est pas de ne plus exister, mais d'être libre.

Non là on est pas dans le 0 sum puisque l'individu en question, Sheo, a conscience du GodHead, il sait le I are all Us + I am. Ce que je veux décrire c'est pas un état de non existence mais plutôt un état de non-rationalité pour le Godhead ce qui est différent. Ca n'est pas l'individu de lui même qui n'existe plus mais c'est le GodHead qui ne comprend plus ce qu'est l'individu et ou sa place : comment peut réagir le Godhead face à ce problème insoluble ? Il l'évacue vers le Vide, vers l'Amaranth.

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- le Premier Sheogorath est né après la création, ca n'est PAS un Eta'a, il ne peut pas l'être ! C'est quelque chose d'autre, sans doute un être qui a été subgradié par la création. Cette chose est donc mortelle et pas "divine" (enfin mortelle, disons qu'elle est un gradient en dessous).

Vu ainsi, Sheo est une partie "sundered" de Lorkhan. On a deux mots, sundered et subgradient, parce que ce sont deux choses différentes ; sundered désigne une fragmentation en bout, alors que gradient... est un changement de niveau. Difficile d'expliquer plus, même si l'image de la diminution en petites parties est pas mal.

Pour moi le premier Sheo c'est les 2 choses à la fois, c'est le sundered de Lorkhatosh (plutôt que Lorkhan seul) qui a subgradié. Et j'ai eu dans l'idée que c'est cela que représente le 4.5 qui foutait le bordel dans les numéros à une époque.

On aurait 9 = the Missing = Lorkhan
18 = 9 * 2 = Lorkhan*Enantiomorph = Lorkhatosh (l'énantiomorphe Lorkhan + Machin chose)
4.5 = 18/4 = la partie sundered "active" de Lorkhatosh qui apparaît lors de la "mort" de Lorkhatosh

Vous me direz pourquoi le quart ? Parce que selon moi Lorkhatosh est divisé en 4 : son corps en 2 + son coeur + son esprit ou quoi que ce soit qui devient le 4.5, et ce 4.5 qui va sundered pour devenir le Premier Sheo qui va piquer la place de Jygg.

[Beron]

fabinou87, le 15 mars 2013 - 20:17, dit :

On aurait 9 = the Missing = Lorkhan
18 = 9 * 2 = Lorkhan*Enantiomorph = Lorkhatosh (l'énantiomorphe Lorkhan + Machin chose)
4.5 = 18/4 = la partie sundered "active" de Lorkhatosh qui apparaît lors de la "mort" de Lorkhatosh

Vous me direz pourquoi le quart ? Parce que selon moi Lorkhatosh est divisé en 4 : son corps en 2 + son coeur + son esprit ou quoi que ce soit qui devient le 4.5, et ce 4.5 qui va sundered pour devenir le Premier Sheo qui va piquer la place de Jygg.

Peus-tu développer sur Lorkhatosh ? Qu'est-ce que tu appelles l'énantiomorphe Lorkhan et le machin chose ? Lorkhan et Auriel ?
Le premier 4.5, c'est le Shor de Sovngarde ?

[Le_Rieur]

Machinchose, çà doit être ce [MUATRA] de Dieu dragon du temps fragmenté, Aka(tosh).

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fabinou87, le 15 mars 2013 - 20:17, dit :

Dans mon esprit Sheogorath a tenu plusieurs places dans un Enantiomorphes : lors du tout premier (quand il prend le trône de Jygg) c'est un Roi/Rebelle et dans son tout dernier (lors de sa marche grise, la toute premiere) c'est un Observateur, il observe Jygg contre le futur Sheo.

En quoi observer un mec casser la figure à un Daedra permet d'entrer en privation sensorielle et de sortir du Godhead ? Dans ce cas, Haskill, et les Habitants des Shivering Isles n'auraient-ils pas la même légitimité pour être des observateurs, et donc des Amaranth.

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Non là on est pas dans le 0 sum puisque l'individu en question, Sheo, a conscience du GodHead, il sait le I are all Us + I am.

Sheoggorath aurait le CHIM ? Là aussi, je ne vois pas ce qui nous le dis.

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Ce que je veux décrire c'est pas un état de non existence mais plutôt un état de non-rationalité pour le Godhead ce qui est différent. Ca n'est pas l'individu de lui même qui n'existe plus mais c'est le GodHead qui ne comprend plus ce qu'est l'individu et ou sa place : comment peut réagir le Godhead face à ce problème insoluble ? Il l'évacue vers le Vide, vers l'Amaranth.

Le Godhead, à ce qu'on en sait, est totalement passif. On pourrait tout aussi bien dire que le Godhead est le nom donné à la personification (qui en réalité n'existerait pas) de lois physiques générales des TES.
D'ailleurs, je ne vois pas en quoi Sheoggorath est totalement irrationel vis à vis du Godhead ; il ne s'amuse pas à casser le Dragon et le Serpent, à retourner à Anu/Padomay, à aller à un endroit qui n'existe pas.
Sheo, au mieux, cherche à soigner la folie de l'intérieur. Et commence à faire de sprogrès dans Shivering Isles.

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Vous me direz pourquoi le quart ? Parce que selon moi Lorkhatosh est divisé en 4 : son corps en 2 + son coeur + son esprit ou quoi que ce soit qui devient le 4.5, et ce 4.5 qui va sundered pour devenir le Premier Sheo qui va piquer la place de Jygg.

Donc les Deux lunes, le coeur, et Sheo forment la maison des troubles (4) ?
Je vois pour Sheo, mais identifier les lunes et le coeur avec Bal, Dagon, et Malacath ?

De toute façon, j'ai fondamentalement du mal avec Sheoggorath comme Amaranth. Ne serait-ce parce que MK a dit qu'il avait disposé les indices depuis longtemps, et que tes seuls justification sont au final les actions de Shivering Isles (auquel MK n'a pas participé, et donc ne devrait même pas être consideré comme pertinent pour la Chasse) et une interprétation super personelle (ce qui gêne n'est pas l'interprétation même, c'est quelle ne soit pas proposée dans les textes) de certaines actions.

C'est pour cela que les indices qui sont utilisés sont au final les Sermons, les Teachings, et la Loveletter, qui sont définis comme étant les bouquins parlant de l'Amaranth. Et actuellement, deux personnages sont mis en emphase dedans vis-à vis de ces histoires : Sithis et le Nerevarine. Et là, on ne fait pas l'analyse, on fait l'analyse de l'analyse par Vivec.

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En quoi observer un mec casser la figure à un Daedra permet d'entrer en privation sensorielle et de sortir du Godhead ? Dans ce cas, Haskill, et les Habitants des Shivering Isles n'auraient-ils pas la même légitimité pour être des observateurs, et donc des Amaranth.

C'est pas son action d'énantiomorphe qui lui fait atteindre l'état de privation sensorielle, c'est plutôt ce que je décris plus tard avec cette idée irrationalité dans l'univers du GodHead. Irrationnel parce que en gros Sheo à la fin de sa vie n'a plus de place/ne rentre plus dans une case du GodHead.

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Sheoggorath aurait le CHIM ? Là aussi, je ne vois pas ce qui nous le dis.

Sheoggorath dans ma théorie = une part de Lorkhan qui lui connait l'histoire du GodHead, donc grosso modo Sheo en tant que tel n'a pas besoin d'avoir atteint le CHIM pour connaître la vérité sur le GodHead

Après ca n'est bien évidemment qu'une théorie sortie tout droit de mes réflexions, je relances le sujet plus pour qu'on en débatte et que vous pointiez des erreurs de ma part que dans l'idée de convaincre qui que ce soit

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darkzonork, le 23 mars 2013 - 18:00, dit :

Le Sithis de la Confrérie Noire est vraiment le SITHISIT devenu Amaranth ?

Dire si c'est exactement Sithis qui est l'Amaranth est difficile. La possibilité la plus mise en avant actuellmeent est que Sithis/SITHISIT ait juste ouvert les Voies, devenant le Vide où irait l'Amaranth (nerevarine, au minimum)

Mais la description de SITHISIT comme lampe noyée est quand même très forte, si bien qu'il est encore possible de penser qu'il est un "Ancien Amaranth", qui a utilisé les "Anciennes Voies" (laissant quand même la possibilité pour un "nouvel Amaranth", cf Loveletter)
Dans ce cas, il faudrait distinguer Sithis, Observateur originel, PSJJJJ, le concept de changement, le second Sithis (lié à la Morag et à la Confrérie Noire, né quand un culte nihiliste de Chimeri voués à la damnation a fusionné (sous la tutelle de Méphala) des éléments daedriques avec l'Action Inexprimable qui était Padomay. ) et enfin SITHISIT, qui serait lui l'Amaranth.
Les autres en seraient des "échos". Certains pourraient n'être qu'un (selon ce qu'on considère), et, pour coller au mieux au "Om", rotten assure que PSJJJJ devrait être l'Amaranth. mais comme toujours, ce n'est pas un copier-coller.

[Suleri Drals]

A quel point le second Sithis est lié au premier et a SITHISIT ? presque aucun rapport ou il y a quand même des vrais éléments de Sithis/SITHISIT dans la conception de la confrérie noire / morag tong ou juste un mélange des concepts de Méphala et de Padomai ?

[Beron]

Je ne comprends pas tout autour de l'Amaranth, mais pour moi : SITHISIT = Observateur originel.
Pour faire plus compliqué :
PSJJJJ est la force de changement continuel qui anime le Godhead = la volonté d'exister.
Padomay est une personnification de PSJJJJ plus stable et réfléchi.
Dans l'énantiomorphe originel, l'Observateur est l'âme de Padomay, premier Sithis, ( L'Anuade paraphrasée) qui remarque que Nir n'aime qu'Anu. Il jette alors l'éponge et rompe avec le combat de l'énantiomorphe, va dans le Vide Originel et devient l'Amaranth : SITHISIT (Sithis is it), il existe.
Mais il doit y avoir changement dans le Godhead pour exister. PSJJJJ, avec le Padomay sans âme (qui n'est que Vide et Changement), détruit les 12 mondes.
L'Anuade dit que Padomay/SITHISIT serait revenu, mais j'en doute. Peut-on revenir dans le Godhead une fois en privation sensorielle ?
Bref, tu as le Vide (Padomay) qui est en privation sensorielle, PSJJJJ l'anime.
Le second Sithis (celui de la CN/MT) est la fusion entre le Changement (corps/énergie = Padomay/PSJJJJ) et certains principes daedriques (âme), tel Méphala.

Personnellement, ça colle avec tout ce que je sais sur l'Amaranth originel, mais je n'ai aucune véritable preuve.

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Beron, le 23 mars 2013 - 19:26, dit :

Je ne comprends pas tout autour de l'Amaranth, mais pour moi : SITHISIT = Observateur originel.

l'observateur originel n'est pas l'Amaranth. Il semblerait que ce soit un truc qui viendrait de l'IRC memospore, peut-être de MK lui-même, mais en tout cas, c'est ce qui est souvent dit.

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PSJJJJ est la force de changement continuel qui anime le Godhead = la volonté d'exister. Padomay est une personnification de PSJJJJ plus stable et réfléchi.

PSJJJJ est le nom donné à

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It is interesting to note that their original views were very unorthodox for Altmer, and thus their exile from Alinor. These views included the suggestion that Anu’s son, the Time Dragon, was formed in reaction to Padhome’s influence. In effect, Anu had finally done something. This inconceivable effect gave rise to an equally inconceivable cause, and so PSJJJJ was named and the Order eventually took his name.

Donc PSJJJJ vient d'Anu et Padomay.

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Dans l'énantiomorphe originel, l'Observateur est l'âme de Padomay, premier Sithis, ( L'Anuade paraphrasée) qui remarque que Nir n'aime qu'Anu. Il jette alors l'éponge et rompe avec le combat de l'énantiomorphe, va dans le Vide Originel et devient l'Amaranth : SITHISIT (Sithis is it), il existe.

Petite remarque, le Sithis en tant que Vide est l'observateur à 99% sûr. Mais dire que "Sithis devient SITHISIT", c'est un peu facile, et pas assez sourcé. On pourrait tout aussi bien dire que Sithis est une rétroaction : SITHISIT n'ayant jamais pu exister, ses actes sont divisés entre différents êtres qui ne sont que des échos.

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Mais il doit y avoir changement dans le Godhead pour exister. PSJJJJ, avec le Padomay sans âme (qui n'est que Vide et Changement), détruit les 12 mondes.

Après de longs millénaires, l'alignement des planètes permit à Padomay d'ouvrir le gouffre des limbes et de revenir au cœur du Temps. Il vit la création et se mit à la haïr. Il donna un coup de son épée et brisa les douze mondes alignés.
Je ne vois pas où se trouve PSJJJJ. Et je ne vois pas ce qu'il viendrait y faire, Surtout si on le prend comme part amoureuse du monde.

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L'Anuade dit que Padomay/SITHISIT serait revenu, mais j'en doute. Peut-on revenir dans le Godhead une fois en privation sensorielle ?

Si Padomay n'est pas Sithis n'est pas SITHISIT n'est pas PSJJJJ, pas de problème.
Pour le fait de revenir... je n'y crois pas, car la privation sensorielle parfaite nécessaire à l'Amaranth devrait avoir pour effet que pour le sujet, le reste du monde n'existe plus.



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Résumé sur l'Amaranth. En anglais. N'hésitez pas à indiquer quoi que ce soit.

La traduction en Français sera faite. Un jour ou l'autre.

Modifié par Sifraël, 24 mars 2013 - 13:40.

[Sifraël]

Bon, la chasse à l'Amaranth est fini, au bout d'un an, et en cadeau d'anniversaire à Toesock, il a craché le morceau. Ou pas, puisqu'il a ouvert au passage pleins d'autres questions. Il y en a qui voulaient que ça reste secret, mais Toesock (vu que c'était son cadeau) a décidé de le partager.

Voilà, il y a maintenant quelques semaines, MK a lancé le C0DA - il met ses textes en ligne, parfois modifié, et illustrés. Ce n'est pas fini, il devrait même y avoir de nouveaux textes dedans.

http://c0da.es/ayrenn
http://c0da.es/e8e
http://c0da.es/wgt1
http://c0da.es/hahd
http://c0da.es/thotbox

Quel rapport ? Et bien, MK a fait son retour, après plusieurs mois d'absence - visiblement entre autres pour s'occuper de ce genre de choses. j'ai réussi à récupérer presques toutes les discussion sur le memospore2 auxquels il a participé en discutant lore ; trois choses se mèlent dans ce que je poste ensuite ; M qui répond à des questions, MK qui nous balance des histoires avec la poésie qui le caractérise, lié aux TES, mais pas exactement (le void ghost et la wayward daughter... laquelle, d'ailleurs)
Et, enfin, les discussion sur le mod de Skyrim que les membres du memospore2 sont en train de créer, qui se déroulerait sur Secunda. MK a notamment dit qu'il les soutiendrait s'il trouvait le truc intéressant.

Les discussions sont assez... lore-heavy, comme on dit. Et bien que l'Amaranth ait l'air parachuté, c'est vraiment, comme MK l'avait promis, quelque chose qui satisfait, tout en ouvrant de nouvelles perspectives. mais on en était tous à 200 km.



Les liens (chronologiquement, se terminant avec l'explication de qui est l'Amaranth ; après, on a eut quelques débats, mais aucune nouvelle conclusion) :

https://www.dropbox.... 2013-10-14.txt
https://www.dropbox....0-15-1050pm.txt
https://www.dropbox....ospore copy.txt

https://gist.github....be9266fee1b33b3

22:29] <%MK> (That's such a [censored] good choice of music)
[22:29] <%MK> Okay, here it goes
[22:29] <%MK> and it's not easy
[22:29] <%MK> but it's easier than you think
[22:29] * Toesock anticipates
[22:30] <+Thrice-Sock> ^
[22:30] <+SemblioSocktii> ^^
[22:30] <Mojo-Sock> ^^^
[22:30] <%MK> First, you need some terms/names to follow this
[22:30] <%MK> Kepler
[22:30] <%MK> The Great Conjunction
[22:30] <%MK> Trigons
[22:31] <%MK> Nibriu
[22:31] <%MK> I hid this a long time ago
[22:31] <silentsock> wait which nibiru? the supposed planet or the Babylonian astronomy term?
[22:31] <%MK> Not the N as pseudo-science
[22:31] <%MK> Babs, always
[22:32] <+Thrice-Sock> oh. i thought we were going astronomy now with the great conjunction
[22:32] <silentsock> we are,3
[22:32] <%MK> Anu
[22:32] <+Umpsock> Kepler - platonic solids, spheres of stars?
[22:32] <%MK> That's not a term
[22:32] <%MK> That's the Amaranth
[22:32] <Mojo-Sock> Mathmetician
[22:32] <%MK> 'Anew'
[22:33] <%MK> Read the links above
[22:33] <%MK> The 12 planets were the time before
[22:33] <%MK> He hid in the sun after there was Betrayal and a Witness
[22:34] <%MK> And started to Dream
[22:34] <+SemblioSocktii> (Kepler in specific reference to Harmonices Mundi? sorry to interject)
[22:34] <%MK> Nu-Mantia. Liberty from Z.
[22:34] <!Toesock> What about the house of WE?
[22:35] <silentsock> as in heliocentrism I guess, Semblio
[22:35] <+Umpsock> Is the Aetherius his dream?
[22:35] <+Thrice-Sock> aetherius would be just where he dwells isnt it?
[22:35] * Varanu_afk is now known as Varanu
[22:36] <+Varanu> I return! I know you all missed me greatly
[22:36] <Dovahkiin> I think so, TC
[22:36] <+Varanu> ...everyone has become a sock.
[22:36] <Mojo-Sock> shh story time
[22:36] <+Varanu> oh
[22:36] <silentsock> amaranth time, Varanu
[22:37] <+Thrice-Sock> Ok so ive been reading up on this bit
[22:37] * Arena sets mode +v Hollymarkie for #memospore2
[22:37] <+Thrice-Sock> regarding trigons
[22:37] * Hollymarkie is now known as sockymarkie
[22:37] <+Thrice-Sock> so we are kepler in terms of the great conjuncture
[22:38] <+Thrice-Sock> im still puzzled how nibiru fits in there
[22:38] <+Thrice-Sock> oh wait... Anu
[22:39] <%MK> wait
[22:39] <+Thrice-Sock> ok
[22:41] <%MK> "Amaranth anon Anew AE I, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks Amaranth anon Anew AE I if they cannot find the passage. Amaranth anon Anew AE I is the Godhead who caused to be visible. Amaranth anon Anew AE I stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of Amaranth anon Anew AE I the post: "The one and one (an
[22:41] <%MK> inelegant numner) who crosses the middle of the Z the Centrex without calm, may his name be I and no other, for he takes up the center of it in sleep. The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged but will not, for he dreams in the sun and now has dreamed of orphans, anon Magne-Ge, the colors he still wishes to dream."
[22:43] <!Toesock> Wait
[22:43] <%MK> Love Across the Stars was most, most apt. Well done, Birthday Girl. Well done.

[22:46] <%MK> ...are talking about the Amaranth. You wanted to know who it was. I hid it a long time ago when I hid the Anew in the sun.
[22:46] <Dovahkiin> brb food
[22:46] <Dovahkiin> I'll be watching
[22:47] <%MK> Oh, there was a betrayal
[22:47] <!Toesock> I see
[22:47] <%MK> Padomay
[22:47] <Dovahkiin> And thinking about this
[22:47] <%MK> Honestly, look.
[22:47] <%MK> Why do you think it was called "The CHILDREN'S Anuad"
[22:48] <Dinsock> Ohhhh
[22:48] <Dinsock> Nice
[22:48] <+Thrice-Sock> aight so... am i correct if i link the babylonian myth to the betrayal then?
[22:48] <%MK> If any bubbles were burst, I'm sorry.
[22:48] <Dovahkiin> I just shouted "OHHHHHH"
[22:48] <Mojo-Sock> Even though my birthday was on monday, this is an awesome birthday present
[22:48] <%MK> But Anu was the Amaranth
[22:48] <Mojo-Sock> This is amazing
[22:48] <%MK> IS the the Amaranth
[22:49] <!Toesock> Is he dreaming Tamriel?
[22:49] <+Thrice-Sock> aight.
[22:49] <+Thrice-Sock> NOW
[22:49] <+Thrice-Sock> i wanna see his dream
[22:49] <Dinsock> So... does that make the sun the House of We?
[22:49] <+Umpsock> We got told, sorta.
[22:49] <+Umpsock> for he dreams in the sun and now has dreamed of orphans, anon Magne-Ge, the colors he still wishes to dream.
[22:49] <%MK> @Din
[22:49] <+Thrice-Sock> yeah. true. id still like to see that. with my eyes!
[22:49] <%MK> Real question:
[22:50] <%MK> "Your House is Safe Now-- so why is it--"
[22:50] <%MK> See?
[22:51] <%MK> I promised I would never cheat. Not on this.
[22:51] <Dinsock> Um
[22:51] <%MK> That's the spookiest part of the Sermons
[22:52] <%MK> That's as close as Vivec got then
[22:52] <%MK> Sermon 19. What does Vivec do?
[22:52] <Mojo-Sock> He steps into the non-spatial place right?
[22:53] <%MK> He makes the Provisional House. He attempts the Dream.
[22:53] <+Umpsock> Ah, splendid
[22:53] <%MK> He is answered with a song
[22:53] <%MK> a poem
[22:53] <+Thrice-Sock> oh [censored].
[22:53] <Mojo-Sock> holy crap
[22:53] <%MK> He's not ready for his own answer
[22:54] <%MK> Looking at every Corner
[22:54] <%MK> Hiding in some new thing he made to survey this new House he can't make
[22:54] <%MK> That's the tremble of "I"
[22:55] <%MK> "This house is safe now
[22:55] <!Toesock> Which is the Ah
[22:55] <%MK> "--so why is it"
[22:55] <%MK> He knows right then he can't make that jump
[22:56] * Dovahkiin|Mobile (~AndChat41@ratcast.sr.mun) has joined #memospore2
[22:56] * Arena sets mode +oa Dovahkiin|Mobile Dovahkiin|Mobile for #memospore2
[22:56] <%MK> He can't commit to that marriage
[22:57] <%MK> More:
[22:57] <%MK> he's afraid of all the "catastrophes in between"
[22:57] <Mojo-Sock> .... woh
[22:57] <%MK> ...that's the "So why is it--"
[22:57] <%MK> Happy Birthday, Toesock

[22:57] <+Umpsock> 4.5?
[22:58] <+Thrice-Sock> whut?
[22:58] <%MK> Dude, really?
[22:58] <+SemblioSocktii> ...dayum.
[22:58] <%MK> Double it
[22:58] <Dinsock>
[22:58] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Wow...
[22:58] <Mojo-Sock> WOW
[22:58] <%MK> 9
[22:58] <silentsock> wow
[22:58] <!Toesock> Thanks MK
[22:58] <+sockymarkie> holy [censored]
[22:58] <+Varanu> o_o
[22:58] <Dinsock> Yeah, thanks
[22:58] <Mojo-Sock> Holy [censored] [censored], this is perfect
[22:58] <+SemblioSocktii> Thanks indeed.
[22:58] <%MK> I told you the 4.5 where is it starts breaking down
[22:58] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Holy sheet
[22:58] <%MK> The 9
[22:58] <+sockymarkie> Th...Thank you!
[22:59] <%MK> The Dream is starting to know longer need the Dreamer
[22:59] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Thank you so much for that
[22:59] <+Thrice-Sock> well MK. thanks for doing this. shows alot of you. You evidently didnt want to just give this to us at first. you said so the other day. Giving us this for Toesocks birthday was big of you.
[22:59] <%MK> That typo is on purpose
[23:00] <%MK> Birthdays means a lot to me
[23:00] <%MK> This was just kismet
[23:00] <+Thrice-Sock> "The Dream is starting to know" is an extremeley omnious and forboding sentance
[23:00] <+Thrice-Sock> i love it
[23:01] <%MK> There is the next Amaranth
[23:01] <%MK> But
[23:01] <%MK> That's not for now
[23:01] <%MK> Right now, let us toast to the Godhead

En spoilers, les textes, parce que ce genre de chose disparaît facilement :

Spoiler

Session Start: Mon Oct 14 00:22:19 2013

Session Ident:#memospore2

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[00:28] <rhobot> Has there ever been much lore written about teleportation?

[00:43] <+Cider> well

[00:43] <+Cider> we know it exists

[00:43] <+Cider> i think there was a theory about how if it's not taken seriously the person being teleported will suffer an unknown fate

[00:43] <+Cider> hence why people didn't teleport armies or supplies

[00:51] <rhobot> So you can only really teleport yourself?

[00:54] * rhobot is now known as rhodium

[00:55] <+Cider> well no

[00:55] <+Cider> the Mages guild use to have a system of teleporters

[00:56] <+Cider> like in daggerfall and Morrowind

[00:56] <+Cider> the guild guides

[00:56] <rhodium> oh yeah

[00:56] <rhodium> right

[00:57] <rhodium> how many times have I used them

[00:57] <rhodium> I'm trying to come up with a convincing monkeytruth on how teleportation works.

[01:05] <!Dovahkiin> the "unknown fate" might be being stranded in an unknown plane

[01:05] <!Dovahkiin> or pocket realm

[01:06] <rhodium> I wanted to use the dreamsleeve at first as a means of transport

[01:07] <rhodium> Because it's a similar concept, and because it would explain how there was a ban on use

[01:08] <rhodium> But trying to make mark/recall/guild guides/Intervention/propylons/etc all work together is challenging

[01:20] <rhodium> Hey Dovahkiin, I'm trying to make a simple bot, but I'm tripping on the first hurdle. It won't connect. It just says "no ident response". I don't know what it wants me to tell it.

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[01:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> The Simmulacrum of the Netchimans Wife, mod [url="http://static1.nexusmods.com/110/mods/110/images/43891-1-1381146919.jpg"]http://static1.nexus...-1381146919.jpg[/url]

[01:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> (its ridiculous)

[01:30] <rhodium> Just say you revived the simulacrum of Vehks mom that you found in XYZ cave, and BAM lore-friendly!

[01:33] <rhodium> I kid, of course.

[01:46] <!Dovahkiin> The "no ident response" is just a timeout.

[01:46] <!Dovahkiin> Should still work. I get that all the time.

[01:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> today i dreamed that i dreamed but knew it was a dream, but the "knowing it was a dream" part was also a dream so the ridiculous things in said dream still were believeable to me

[01:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> which is especialy glaring since that dream consisted of brutally murdering a person by first casually taking off his head (which in this dreams universe is soemthing totaly normal and not lethal) and then jamming a sharpened pencil up down his throat

[01:58] <_stille_> TC, I want a link to that bloody mod.

[01:59] <+Thrice-Crooked> sec

[01:59] <+Thrice-Crooked> it probably only works with this ridiculous body mod tho, but here have it. [url="http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/43891//?"]http://skyrim.nexusm...m/mods/43891//?[/url]

[01:59] <rhodium> Hmmm... It doesn't show up in the test channel.

[02:00] <rhodium> An TC, I once dreamed about being eated by a black bear, but was totally casual about it.

[02:00] <rhodium> It was perfectly normal.

[02:00] <_stille_> oh maaaan

[02:00] <_stille_> this is beautiful

[02:00] <_stille_> you can *play* as the simulacrum of the netchiman's wife

[02:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah

[02:01] <_stille_> you can turn Brelyna into the now-Dunmer simulacrum of the netchiman's wife

[02:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> and she also has little nipple pieces isnt that cute

[02:01] <_stille_> this is brilliant.

[02:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> brelyna?

[02:01] <_stille_> dunmer Skyrim follower

[02:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> ah right, i only remembered janessa

[02:02] <_stille_> way, way too innocent for a Telvanni, but then again she's a Telvanni that fucked off to study magic at the college of winterhold

[02:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> or you could do it with an altmer for HISTORICAL ACCURACY

[02:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> i guess thats a downgrade?

[02:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> from dunmer mastermage to nordic "what happens if i turnt he player green"

[02:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> gah, that mod is just grotesque

[02:07] <_stille_> hehe

[02:09] <+Thrice-Crooked> actually i still gotta show it to varanu. regarding the idea of "how much can we make this stand out"

[02:10] <!Dovahkiin> ...

[02:10] <!Dovahkiin> lol

[02:10] <!Dovahkiin> rhodium: Add a join delay?

[02:11] <rhodium> Hmm, hold on, I tore that apart, and am building a new one with a different base.

[02:12] <+Thrice-Crooked> also rhodium i never dreamed of beeing eaten by a bear. but its funky.

[02:12] <+Thrice-Crooked> i did dream that scrubbing away the bloodstains leaves behind black scriiblings in Times New Roman tho...

[02:13] <rhodium> It was weird. I broke into a tower, there were women sleeping a-la-sleeping-beauty style

[02:13] <rhodium> Then they changed into bears and ate me.

[02:13] <rhodium> I was strangely ok with this

[02:13] <rhodium> I *was* only eight.

[02:16] <+Thrice-Crooked> hahahhahaha

[02:16] <+Thrice-Crooked> thats still brilliant

[02:16] <+Thrice-Crooked> suddenly bears

[02:16] <+Thrice-Crooked> its the most evil of bait and switch

[02:16] <rhodium> Aha

[02:16] <rhodium> Got it

[02:17] <rhodium> It was, though.

[02:17] <rhodium> And, in retrospect, that probably affect how I felt about women.

[02:17] <rhodium> It was a pretty vivid dream.

[02:19] <rhodium> Also, the more I think about it, the less of a good idea it seems to keep the bot on my university's servers.

[02:19] <rhodium> And run it off of them.

[02:25] <!Dovahkiin> lol

[02:25] <!Dovahkiin> What language?

[02:44] <rhodium> python

[02:44] <rhodium> i'm familiar with it

[02:44] <rhodium> And there are a bunch of premade bots in it

[02:44] <rhodium> but I wanted to make my own

[02:45] <rhodium> Anywho, I g2g, Class tomorrow, and then an NMH concert that evening. Excited beyond belief.

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[02:52] <+Thrice-Crooked> Oh dat beyond two souls

[02:52] <+Thrice-Crooked> all the native american cliches

[02:53] <+Thrice-Crooked> HAHAHHAHA all the cliche. its so bad

[02:53] <+Thrice-Crooked> david cage you are such a dumbass

[03:03] <_stille_> beyond two souls?

[03:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> new game by david cage

[03:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> that guy that likes to act he can be an author for video games

[03:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> he also did fahrenheit and heavy rain

[03:07] <+Thrice-Crooked> and tis ones full of mystical mumbo jumbo

[03:07] <+Thrice-Crooked> which means it has to include stereotypical magic Indians that are then told about the mysterious magical powers of theri ancestors by a white person who is then totaly initiated in their secret magical native american rituals

[03:07] <+Thrice-Crooked> its full of shit

[03:08] <_stille_> ugh

[03:09] <+Thrice-Crooked> in reality its harmless

[03:09] <+Thrice-Crooked> but this guy just thinks too highly of himself. Hes essentialy the Peter Molyneux of Storytelling, always shooting for the sky and always falling flat on his face

[03:25] <+Thrice-Crooked> can i win dotaÃ&Yuml;

[03:37] <+Thrice-Crooked> WOOHOO Oanother game with leavers

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[04:38] <+Thrice-Crooked> [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnE3uyj9Grg&list_pxtube=TLP0G5KwTlc6us2wLktk-Drd-b5y63tGcG[/media]

[04:49] <Cimbri> That's hilarious. Bye all

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[05:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> gah

[05:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> those mandarines werent any good

[05:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> way too sweet and with an odd colour

[05:18] <_stille_> aren't they called tangerines in English?

[05:18] <_stille_> [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine[/url]

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[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> oh yeah

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> they probably are

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> im using german words for things i dont know ine nglish

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> either way if eel they were coloured

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> cause they were so incredibly orange (And now my hands are too) that i dont think thats normale

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> *normal

[05:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> also hi umtpeen

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[05:33] <_stille_> urgh, TC

[05:33] <_stille_> that sucks

[05:33] <_stille_> tangerines shouldn't stain

[05:34] <_stille_> also funnily the ROmanian word for them is mandarine too

[05:37] <+Thrice-Crooked> i guess english uses a different term so not to confuse it with chinese language?

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[07:25] <Mojo> Morning SS

[07:28] <+SemblioSanctii> hei

[07:28] <+SemblioSanctii> hey*

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[08:24] <Mojo> Anything interesting happen yesterday while I was hungover/comatose?

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[08:25] <+RottenDeadite> Not sure, Mojo.  Did you see all the c0da.es stuff?

[08:26] <+myrrlyn> hey hey hey

[08:29] <Mojo> Yeah up to WGT which I assume is the most recent. Using MK's facebook as a source

[08:29] <Mojo> Hey Myrr!

[08:29] <+RottenDeadite> Hi Myrr!

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[08:48] <NordJitsu> mornin'

[08:49] <+RottenDeadite> Hey NJ.

[08:49] <+RottenDeadite> Soooooo hey here's something.  Let's talk about how rain on Masser needs to be filtered, right?

[08:49] <+RottenDeadite> What do you call people who do that kinda thing for a living?

[08:49] <+RottenDeadite> Moisture Farms is a little too Star Wars.

[08:51] <+RottenDeadite> "Water farms?"

[08:53] <NordJitsu> I think Moisture Farm works. Star Wars doesn't get to have a monopoly on that

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[08:54] <+RottenDeadite> I'm thinking "Water Farm" might do fine.

[08:54] <+RottenDeadite> Hey Ump.

[08:54] <+Umpteen> Hi

[08:55] <NordJitsu> Mornin

[08:55] <+Umpteen> Hey Nord

[08:56] <NordJitsu> So...

[08:57] <NordJitsu> Got to play the climax of the game

[08:57] <NordJitsu> And saw some cool shit

[08:57] <+RottenDeadite> Which game?

[08:57] <NordJitsu> ESO

[08:57] <+Umpteen> Oh wow

[08:57] <+RottenDeadite> Cool

[08:57] <+SemblioSanctii> nice

[08:57] <+RottenDeadite> Do tell

[08:58] <NordJitsu> Okay

[08:58] <NordJitsu> So you launch an attack on Cold Harbor from this Hallowed City

[08:58] <NordJitsu> Which is a city of Meridia that she sent into Coldharbor

[08:58] <+RottenDeadite> Heh

[08:58] <+Umpteen> Nice

[08:58] <NordJitsu> I wasn't exactly clear if it was from Nirn or her realm

[08:58] <NordJitsu> But you meet the last Ayleid King and Vanus Galerion

[08:59] <Mojo> Woh

[08:59] <+SemblioSanctii> Dayum.

[08:59] <+Umpteen> oh man yus

[08:59] <+RottenDeadite> geeze

[08:59] <NordJitsu> Vanus is quite full of himself

[08:59] <+Umpteen> How's the Heartland High Elves doing now?

[08:59] <NordJitsu> Well they're pretty much all gone

[09:00] <NordJitsu> Except for King Dynar who was held captive in Cold Harbor for Bal's amusement

[09:00] <+RottenDeadite> And Vanus?  Where was he?

[09:00] <NordJitsu> Led a charge into Cold Harbor and got captured

[09:00] <+RottenDeadite> Hah whooops!

[09:00] <Mojo> and still full of himself?

[09:01] <Mojo> What a big head

[09:01] <NordJitsu> Bal planned to use him as a power source to complete the Planemeld

[09:01] <NordJitsu> yes

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[09:01] <NordJitsu> But he is kinda bad ass

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Wait.  Vanus was going to be a "power source?"

[09:01] <NordJitsu> Ya

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm.

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Okay.

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Whatevs.  What happens next?

[09:01] <NordJitsu> Plugged into a machine that leeched his energy

[09:01] <NordJitsu> You want me to spoil it?

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah

[09:01] <+SemblioSanctii> sure.

[09:01] <NordJitsu> lol

[09:01] <+RottenDeadite> Ain't like I'm ever gonna get that far.

[09:02] <NordJitsu> Well Vanus splits himself into three parts (four if you count his body)

[09:02] <+RottenDeadite> -_-

[09:02] <Mojo> oh jeeze

[09:02] <NordJitsu> You have to gather his essence and return it to his body

[09:02] <+RottenDeadite> I knew it

[09:02] <+Umpteen> Why'd he do a thing like dat

[09:02] <+RottenDeadite> 'cause gather quest, Ump.

[09:03] <Mojo> To keep Bal from using him I guess

[09:03] <NordJitsu> So he couldn't be used as a power source apparently

[09:03] <NordJitsu> Ya, also what Rotten said

[09:03] <+SemblioSanctii> :|

[09:03] <NordJitsu> But its not a USELESS gather quest

[09:03] <+SemblioSanctii> :\

[09:03] <+SemblioSanctii>

[09:03] <+Umpteen> Everyone knows that Guardians-triune is a more efficient power source than one lonely mage anyway

[09:03] <+RottenDeadite> True, but games of every kind, not just MMOs, do the same thing.

[09:03] <+RottenDeadite> But I hate it when they do it.

[09:03] <+RottenDeadite> Get past it, Ump

[09:03] <NordJitsu> Well there are only so many ACTIONS you can do on a quest

[09:03] <+RottenDeadite> True, NJ.

[09:04] <NordJitsu> Pretty much gather, fetch, kill

[09:04] <NordJitsu> And variations there upon

[09:04] <+RottenDeadite> But at the same time, take Martin's "collect daedric artifact" quest.

[09:04] <NordJitsu> Ya

[09:04] <+RottenDeadite> TECHNICALLY that was a fetch quest, but with a lot of flexibility.

[09:04] <+RottenDeadite> That was a fetch quest done RIGHT.

[09:04] <NordJitsu> What matters is the story around it

[09:04] <NordJitsu> And whether its fun to do

[09:04] <+RottenDeadite> Sort of.  Also Martin's quest had a lot of other factors to it.

[09:04] <NordJitsu> Well this one wasn't bad

[09:04] <+RottenDeadite> The Player chose what item he wanted to find.  And when he found it he had to decide if that was the one he wanted to sacrifice.

[09:04] <NordJitsu> It wasn't run, kill, gather

[09:05] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah?  That's good news.

[09:05] <NordJitsu> To get back part of his essence you had to convince some slaves to return it to you

[09:05] <+RottenDeadite> Put it this way: was it fun?

[09:05] <NordJitsu> Molag Bal had infused them with it to get them working harder

[09:05] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  That's interesting.

[09:05] <NordJitsu> And you had to bribe/intimidate/persuade them into giving it to you

[09:05] <+Umpteen> Dialogue choices stuff?

[09:05] <NordJitsu> Ya

[09:05] <+RottenDeadite> What were the slaves "working" on?

[09:06] <NordJitsu> The Great Dark Anchor (not actually called that)

[09:06] <NordJitsu> Can't remember the name

[09:06] <+RottenDeadite> Oh okay and what did that do, if you remember?

[09:06] <NordJitsu> It was the final piece of the Planemeld

[09:06] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooh gotcha

[09:06] <+RottenDeadite> Hmm.

[09:06] <NordJitsu> Built to simultaneously exist in two-places at once

[09:06] <NordJitsu> To keep the connection or something

[09:07] <+RottenDeadite> Cool.  I like that these are the same anchors from Battlespire btw

[09:07] <NordJitsu> ya

[09:07] <NordJitsu> Bal's realm is also FILLED with all kinds of nasty torture devices

[09:07] <NordJitsu> So that was cool

[09:07] <Mojo> I really enjoyed Coldharbour in the prologue.

[09:07] <+Umpteen> I thought they were going with lower rating on this game?

[09:07] <NordJitsu> Oh, and I did a quest where I had to save a "Dude in Distress" from a tower

[09:07] <+RottenDeadite> hehehe

[09:08] <NordJitsu> A Winged Twilight was about to molest him

[09:08] <Mojo> Again?

[09:08] <Mojo> There was one in the prologue too IIRC

[09:08] <NordJitsu> Huh? Don't remember that

[09:08] <NordJitsu> Oh you mean Frozen Man?

[09:08] <Mojo> I can't remember unfortunately

[09:08] <Mojo> I know it was before freeing the Prophet though

[09:08] <NordJitsu> Well this was an actual tower

[09:09] <NordJitsu> With a male who had been captured by a female

[09:09] <NordJitsu> And the female was going to force him into sexy time

[09:09] <NordJitsu> Lord of Rape

[09:09] <NordJitsu> Even if he's not called that

[09:09] <Mojo> Giggity. Continue

[09:10] <+Umpteen> So long as it ain't played for laughs, all that stuff's right and proper in CH

[09:10] <NordJitsu> No, I didn't feel it was overly comic

[09:10] <NordJitsu> It was presented straight, but I still found it funny

[09:10] <NordJitsu> Flips the usually trend on its head

[09:10] <NordJitsu> Um...don't know how much more there is to tell

[09:11] <NordJitsu> Dynar was held by shadows

[09:11] <+RottenDeadite> Oh so this wasn't like the END GAME thing, then?

[09:11] <+RottenDeadite> Just what you did right up to it?

[09:11] <NordJitsu> Well I did finish it

[09:11] <+RottenDeadite> WORD?

[09:11] <NordJitsu> But the ending cut scene isn't in

[09:11] <+RottenDeadite> Oh so wait the ENTIRE main storyline is solo-content?

[09:11] <+RottenDeadite> No final raid boss?

[09:11] <+SemblioSanctii> Any idea how much we'll be seeing of Meridia before this? Like, is there a buildup or a sudden HELLO THERE HEROES thing?

[09:11] <NordJitsu> Well ya

[09:11] <NordJitsu> But I had a buddy

[09:11] <NordJitsu> Would be very very hard solo

[09:12] <+RottenDeadite> Wow.  That's actually quite impressive.

[09:12] <NordJitsu> I don't know Semblio

[09:12] <+SemblioSanctii> k

[09:12] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  Good on ya ZOS for not following tradition.

[09:12] <Mojo> ^

[09:12] <+Umpteen> Which traditions now?

[09:12] <Mojo> Endgame raids in MMO

[09:12] <+SemblioSanctii> The tradition of sticking half a games' (or expansion's) storyline into raids

[09:13] <+Umpteen> I see ok

[09:13] <Mojo> SWTOR did a good job with that even though they killed Star Wars for me

[09:13] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah.  You can fight RIGHT UP to the last sequence but then you need a raid or at least a 5-man.

[09:14] <NordJitsu> Its possible to do solo

[09:14] <NordJitsu> But you're talking Dark Souls difficulty right now

[09:14] <NordJitsu> You'd die a lot

[09:14] <+RottenDeadite> Hahaha

[09:14] <+Umpteen> Sounds fun

[09:14] <+Umpteen> Much factional story weaved into it, or is it all focused You vs the Deedra?

[09:14] <NordJitsu> Not at the end, no factions

[09:14] <NordJitsu> Mages Guild and Fighters Guild are neutral

[09:15] <NordJitsu> There are all races helping in the assault, well not all....many

[09:15] <NordJitsu> Molag Bal has a "Daughter"

[09:15] <Mojo> Vampire?

[09:15] <NordJitsu> But we're told that might just be the word people use

[09:16] <NordJitsu> Not an actual daughter

[09:16] <+Umpteen> Daedra have had actual kids before.

[09:16] <NordJitsu> Winged Twilight, a Molag Grunda I think it was

[09:16] <+SemblioSanctii> wait

[09:16] <+RottenDeadite> I wonder what Bal's "daughter" is like.  Like, a creation of his?

[09:16] <+RottenDeadite> Or "adopted?"

[09:16] <NordJitsu> Ya Ump its just like, "...daughter. What ever that means for a Daedra."

[09:16] <+SemblioSanctii> the same one from morrowind?

[09:16] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.

[09:16] <+Cider> Nerevar and Ayem are said to be Boethiah's son and daughter

[09:17] <+Cider> and alandro-sul was the immortal son of zura

[09:17] <+Cider> *Azura

[09:17] <+SemblioSanctii> [url="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Molag_Grunda"]http://www.uesp.net/...nd:Molag_Grunda[/url]

[09:17] <+RottenDeadite> Wait, what?

[09:17] <+Umpteen> Cool

[09:17] <+SemblioSanctii> Yup.

[09:17] <+RottenDeadite> Where'd you get that info, Cider?

[09:17] <+Umpteen> Yeah, i thought it rang a bell

[09:17] <+Cider> UESO

[09:17] <+Cider> *YUESP

[09:17] <+Cider> ...

[09:17] <+Cider> UESP

[09:17] <NordJitsu> Oh nice

[09:17] <+Cider> GOD DAMN IT

[09:17] <NordJitsu> Missed that

[09:18] <NordJitsu> Also got to see Skyrim and Black Marsh

[09:18] <NordJitsu> Hatching Pools

[09:18] <+RottenDeadite> Aaahhhh from Vivec's dialog.  Huh.

[09:19] <+Umpteen> Impressed by Black Marsh?

[09:19] <+Cider> This Nerevar is the son of Boethiah, one of the strongest Padomaics

[09:19] <+Cider> It's from the five songs of Wulfharth

[09:19] <NordJitsu> Mixed feelings Umpteen

[09:19] <+Cider> [url="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Five_Songs_of_King_Wulfharth"]http://www.uesp.net/..._King_Wulfharth[/url]

[09:19] <+RottenDeadite> Ah hah

[09:19] <+Cider> Almalexia was born from the 99 lovers of Boethiah

[09:20] <+Umpteen> In addition, something gro-Kayra from the Accords of Madness.

[09:20] <NordJitsu> Much of it didn't feel marshy enough. Not thick enough folliage/tress/brush. Not enough water

[09:20] <NordJitsu> But it was the transition zone

[09:20] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm I wonder how much of that, Cider, is political in nature?

[09:20] <+RottenDeadite> The bit about Boethiah and Almalexia for example.

[09:20] <NordJitsu> Whatever its called, between Morrowind and Black Marsh proper

[09:20] <+Cider> I think Malacath considers all Orsimer his children

[09:20] <+RottenDeadite> Almalexia being the daughter of 99 fathers etc.

[09:20] <+Cider> and good point Rotten

[09:21] <+RottenDeadite> But Vivec himself says Sul is Azura's son.

[09:21] <+RottenDeadite> And he'd fuckin' know

[09:21] <+Cider> Yup

[09:21] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehehe yay I love finding old lore!

[09:21] <+Cider> I love dunmer lore

[09:21] <+RottenDeadite> It's mighty dense.

[09:21] <+Cider> yup

[09:21] <+RottenDeadite> They sure did love to write back in Morrowind's development.

[09:22] <+Cider> I love the Dunmer

[09:22] <+RottenDeadite> Just boatloads of information about everything, written by lots of guys, with NO COLLUSION WHATSOEVER but hey that's why it was good

[09:22] <+Cider> they are such bad-asses

[09:23] <+Cider> we still don't have a complete record of what all the saints did

[09:23] <+RottenDeadite> True, true.

[09:24] <+Cider> but oh well

[09:24] <NordJitsu> Ya the latter games add far less per game

[09:24] <+Cider> I think Morrowind only has like

[09:24] <+Cider> a few books from daggerfall

[09:24] <+RottenDeadite> I honestly think they spend less time on it.  I think the focus has changed.  I also think they KNOW that barely anybody reads books in their games any more.

[09:24] <+Umpteen> That's bleak to think about

[09:24] <+Cider> I read all the books

[09:24] <+RottenDeadite> Their target audience has shifted and they're playing to them instead of asking them to stretch a little.

[09:25] <+Cider> I would actually say skyrim had a decent amount

[09:25] <+Umpteen> What you were saying about foliage - is there a general trend of suiting the environment to engine restrictions and a higher number of players?

[09:25] <+Cider> but the problem is they aren't easy to find sometimes

[09:25] <+Umpteen> Or is some of it still fairly "single player" in design?

[09:25] <+Cider> especially since some are randomly spawned in containers

[09:26] <+RottenDeadite> True, Cider.   And you gotta get a plugin to tell you if you're missing any of them.

[09:26] <NordJitsu> Ya I think they perceive books as not worth the development time

[09:26] <NordJitsu> But they don't take that long to write and add into the game compared to like, game features

[09:26] <NordJitsu> And what they give you is well worth it

[09:26] <+Cider> I remember when I played Morrowind before I did mods

[09:26] <NordJitsu> REWARD FOR SCRUTINY

[09:26] <+Cider> My telvanni tower was FILLED with books

[09:27] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe we can ask Todd Howard to give Players an achievement in the next TES game for reading every book?

[09:27] <+RottenDeadite> That might encourage people.

[09:27] <+Cider> as long as there aren't books that only spawn randomly in containers :\

[09:28] <NordJitsu> lol

[09:28] <NordJitsu> Encourage them to open and close each book maybe

[09:28] <NordJitsu> Not "read" them

[09:28] <+Cider> lol

[09:28] <+Umpteen> With a 3-hour paper requiring knowledge of every book before the final boss

[09:28] <+Cider> xD

[09:28] <NordJitsu> Yus

[09:28] <+Cider> so

[09:28] <+Umpteen> In fact sod the games just hand out exams

[09:28] <+Cider> I was going to ask something

[09:29] <+Cider> with each kalpa they are always the same except one thing right?

[09:29] <+Cider> well, does that major event happen in the next kalpa or does it never happen ever again in any of the kalpas?

[09:32] <+RottenDeadite> IIRC every Kalpa is *slightly* different from the previous.

[09:32] <+Cider> oh and [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1475234-dagon-the-anti-hero/?p=23058401"]http://forums.bethso...ero/?p=23058401[/url]

[09:32] <NordJitsu> I'm trying to remember if that comes from anywhere though

[09:32] <NordJitsu> Or is just a theory

[09:32] <+RottenDeadite> I don't remember, exactly, but I kinda wanna say that Mundus has been happening in Kalpas for quite some time.

[09:32] <+Cider> we MIGHT be getting another fight

[09:32] <+RottenDeadite> But Shor is a new thing to this particular kalpa.

[09:33] <NordJitsu> How do you know?

[09:33] <+RottenDeadite> Ooh aweseome!

[09:33] <+Cider> is shor new? O.o is that in Shor, son of Shor?

[09:33] <+Cider> or something

[09:33] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I THINK I remember someone saying that Shor is the first of his kind.

[09:33] <+RottenDeadite> Like, a thing that's never happened in a Kalpa before.

[09:33] <+Cider> because this is the first I've heard of this

[09:34] <+Umpteen> Found the post.

[09:34] <+Umpteen> [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/921446-world-eating-101/#entry13367459"]http://forums.bethso.../#entry13367459[/url]

[09:34] <+Cider> what I'm thinking is, what if Dagon regains his position of LDK but is doomed to lose it because it has to repeat

[09:34] <NordJitsu> Thanks Ump

[09:34] <+RottenDeadite> Ah well done, Ump.  Man, that was fast

[09:35] <+Cider> that was incredibly fast xD

[09:35] <+RottenDeadite> Well I think the idea is that Dagon is finding the parts of the Kalpas he hid before.

[09:35] <+RottenDeadite> So he has to destroy them personally.

[09:35] <+Cider> ah

[09:35] <+RottenDeadite> If Alduin eats them and the Kalpa starts again, that's okay because Dagon just gets another shot at destroying the ones still left.

[09:35] <+RottenDeadite> You know how we speculate that Alduin isn't "eating" so much as "marking for deletion?"

[09:36] <+RottenDeadite> Well, Dagon has to Mark those things himself.  It don't count if Alduin eats it first.

[09:36] <+RottenDeadite> And of course, as always: I'm fucking guessing outta my ass here

[09:37] <NordJitsu> Interesting hint about cultures that don't use "Kalpa"

[09:37] <NordJitsu> I'm thinking Talos is the new thing

[09:37] <NordJitsu> And is ending the Kalpic cycle

[09:38] <+Cider> I hope not

[09:38] <NordJitsu> why

[09:38] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I agree.  Although I don't think Talos himself is the one doing it.  I think Talos is just the piece that's been missing so far.

[09:38] * myrrlyn (~HTACALAM@bbb3ba1.2d8b4caa.lnngmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #memospore2

[09:38] * Arena sets mode +v myrrlyn for #memospore2

[09:38] <+RottenDeadite> Welcome back myrr

[09:38] <+Cider> I don't know, I just like the idea of the kalpic cycle

[09:39] <NordJitsu> Ya not Talos alone

[09:39] <NordJitsu> LDB plays a pretty big role

[09:39] <NordJitsu> As did Martin

[09:39] <NordJitsu> What do you all think about Ayrenn = Kimune

[09:39] <+Cider> Nerevarine freed the heart of Lorkhan

[09:39] <Mojo> Maybe Dragonborn being a new thing?

[09:39] <+Cider> so they played a part

[09:40] <NordJitsu> I think its Ayrenn=KIMUNE=Eye of Magnus

[09:40] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://ikeaordeath.com/"]http://ikeaordeath.com/[/url] RottenDeadite this ones for you

[09:42] <+Cider> ...

[09:42] <+Cider> whaqt

[09:42] <+Cider> *what

[09:42] <+SemblioSanctii> NJ, initial reaction was largely tepid.

[09:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Somewhat more interest after MK came in and started to explain WTF the point was.

[09:42] <NordJitsu> Hmmm

[09:43] <+Thrice-Crooked> i got 15/20, not that good

[09:43] <+Thrice-Crooked> Oh yeah

[09:43] <+Umpteen> If you're saying the Eye is KINMUNE, do you also believe that the Magnus connection is just a coincidental name (besides that it's magic as all get out)

[09:43] <+Thrice-Crooked> was MK in here htis night again?

[09:43] <NordJitsu> Well its a name given by mortals

[09:43] <NordJitsu> Who don't understand it

[09:43] <NordJitsu> But we can do better

[09:44] <+SemblioSanctii> 15/20 too

[09:44] <+Umpteen> Right. So it's nothing to do with actual Magnus? I was having fun with that.

[09:44] <+RottenDeadite> Oh that was fun, TC, thanks :D  Hey, I got 15/20 as well :D

[09:44] <NordJitsu> KIMUNE is an attempt by Magnus to see into the mortal world

[09:44] <NordJitsu> In the 9th Era he finally gets interested

[09:44] <+Umpteen> Yo what about "illicit breath trade" and the fact that she's not IN the mortal world?

[09:44] <+RottenDeadite> I think he was here yesterday morning, TC.

[09:45] <NordJitsu> By absorbing little bits of people it allows him to SEE into Nirn

[09:45] <NordJitsu> Not IN the mortal world?

[09:45] <Mojo> Wasn't KINMUNE crafted by mortals? I have to reread again

[09:45] <Mojo> redacted

[09:45] <+Umpteen> Yeah, she's in an "outer colony". I'm pretty sure that she goes insane when the mortal-created world on the Aetherial penumbra starts to break down due to Hist bombardment.

[09:45] <Mojo> Operated by mortals

[09:45] <+Umpteen> That's my take on it at least

[09:46] <NordJitsu> Ya

[09:46] <NordJitsu> But Magnus is the scholar's god

[09:46] <NordJitsu> But she's under Sarthall Ump

[09:46] <+Umpteen> Yeah, she's trapped now, but she wasn't made for Mundus, I think

[09:47] <NordJitsu> Oh gotcha

[09:47] <NordJitsu> Well she WAS trapped

[09:47] <NordJitsu> I think we let her go in Skyrim

[09:47] <Mojo> I'd like to explore the breath trade a lot more

[09:47] <NordJitsu> And she went and formed a Dominion

[09:47] <NordJitsu> Prior to the original first one (explaining the inconsistency)

[09:47] <NordJitsu> She's changing the past, so ESO IS actually current

[09:47] <NordJitsu> From a certain point of view

[09:47] <+Umpteen> Oh that's not so bad actually... although I didn't see her making more than one leap (from the 9th to the 1st)

[09:48] * Mojo puts on his sideways goggles

[09:48] <NordJitsu> Hold on I gotta find the line

[09:48] <+Umpteen> Meaning she got trapped under Saarthal and stayed there until Cuhlecain (or in this version, the Dominion) found her

[09:49] <+Umpteen> Then something happens and she crystallizes into the Eye.

[09:49] <+Umpteen> Buuut that doesn't make sense, because history points to the Eye being a Falmer artifact.

[09:49] <+Umpteen> So I'm wrong there.

[09:50] <+Umpteen> So that means: if you want Eye-KINMUNE (personally I don't) then yes, she becomes Ayrenn after the Eye.

[09:50] <+Umpteen> or maybe I'm hanging this on fan theories I thought were real in TES V... I'm a little hazy there

[09:51] <NordJitsu> I'm thinking the Falmer were protecting the Eye

[09:51] <NordJitsu> Aka Kimune

[09:51] <NordJitsu> And went to save it when the Nords attacked her

[09:51] <NordJitsu> Leading to the Night of Tears

[09:52] <NordJitsu> Okay found my quotes

[09:52] <+Umpteen> Yeah, that's what I was assuming

[09:52] <NordJitsu> "As Eras passed..."

[09:52] <NordJitsu> First thing. ERAS. Plural

[09:52] <Mojo> Has anyone thought of any trans-kalpic theories on this? Is that possible?

[09:52] <NordJitsu> Second thing

[09:52] <+Umpteen> 9th era is outside of Kalpas, I think.

[09:53] <NordJitsu> "She escaped the now forgotten ruins of Sarthaal..."

[09:53] <NordJitsu> No Ump this is after getting sent to the first

[09:53] <Mojo> What I mean is, KINMUNE goes to a previous Kalpa where Ysgramor attacks her, and she escapes in another Kalpa as Queen Ayrenn?

[09:53] <+Umpteen> Yeah I was responding to Mojo there.

[09:53] <NordJitsu> oh gotcha

[09:54] <+Umpteen> So this does seem to support single-jump-not-Eye KINMUNE if KINMUNE is Ayrenn...

[09:54] <NordJitsu> "When her sense net picked up on...new thum'antics, Kimune made straight for its nexus."

[09:54] <+Umpteen> Unless I'm missing what you're saying

[09:54] <NordJitsu> What do you think I'm saying?

[09:55] <NordJitsu> I'm saying 9th Era Kimune got sent back to the first

[09:55] <NordJitsu> Then put into Sarthaal

[09:55] <NordJitsu> LDB released her

[09:55] <NordJitsu> She traveled back to 2nd Era to change history

[09:55] <NordJitsu> There is much speculation going on, yes

[09:55] <Mojo> Is KINMUNE able to time travel at will?

[09:56] <NordJitsu> Umm....

[09:56] <NordJitsu> Lacking some other explanation

[09:56] <+SemblioSanctii> How'd she escape from the Psijics, if she's the eye?

[09:56] <Mojo> Or something with the use of the Eye with Ancano allowing for time travel?

[09:56] <+myrrlyn> oh i forgot this was here:/

[09:57] * myrrlyn (~HTACALAM@bbb3ba1.2d8b4caa.lnngmi.sbcglobal.net) Quit ( Quit: Zer0-Summed )

[09:57] <NordJitsu> Hold on....

[09:57] <NordJitsu> Maybe Arcano activated something allowing her to do this

[09:57] <NordJitsu> Purposefully

[09:57] <NordJitsu> As a Thalmor

[09:57] <Mojo> Or a fractal to splinter off to become Ayrenn

[09:57] <NordJitsu> ya

[09:57] <+Umpteen> So: KINMUNE's "escape" from Saarthal was not actually in the Second Era but the events of CoW (pretty unclear in the text) if she was the Eye. Gotcha now.

[09:59] <NordJitsu> Certainly not the only interpretation

[09:59] <NordJitsu> Just my favorite

[09:59] <+Umpteen> Necessary if you want KINMUNE as the Eye.

[09:59] <NordJitsu> Also the Magical Anomalies are part of breath trade

[09:59] <+Umpteen> Hang on one moment... funny time paradox possibility here, KINMUNE's mind was an aggregate of her previous users, what if Ayrenn was both her and a previous user?

[09:59] <NordJitsu> nice

[10:00] <+Umpteen> Or Ayrenn is a reincarnated 9th-era Elven Supremacist

[10:00] <+Umpteen> WAIT

[10:00] <+Umpteen> This confirms my Ayrenn Is An Ayleid theory!

[10:00] <Mojo> NICE

[10:00] <+Umpteen> Not really, but fun.

[10:02] <+RottenDeadite> Heh

[10:03] <+Umpteen> Although I consider that idea not compatible with "ESO Molag Bal is Ayleidic Akatosh in clever Marukhati disguise" theory, which I prefer.

[10:03] <Mojo> I'm still thinking that KINMUNE was sent to a previous Kalpa's Saarthal. Or at least I want to think that

[10:04] <+Umpteen> It's possible: "She was the

[10:04] <+Umpteen> Witch of Wire and String, able to allow the Sons and Daughters

[10:04] <+Umpteen> to see through her eyes into the myriad secrets of post-kalpica

[10:04] <+Umpteen> transmeditations"

[10:04] <+Umpteen> I take this to mean that she can see around kalpas, because the 9th era is free of kalpas anyway.

[10:06] <+Umpteen> So does that mean that ESO is in another Kalpa with respect to the reader of KINMUNE, or that it travelled across kalpas (or simultaneously in several at once) to the LDB (if she's the Eye, dunno whether you ascribe to that or not)

[10:06] <+RottenDeadite> I don't think it's a good idea to consider ESO as a different Kalpa.  Especially since, IIRC, they're positioned JUST before Tiber Septim shows up.

[10:06] <Mojo> Saarthal is always getting sacked in the different Fights, which I take as being set in different Kalpas. Is that correct?

[10:07] <+RottenDeadite> Could be, Mojo.  Could also be that the Fights are just oral histories and that means they tend to contradict each other.

[10:07] <+RottenDeadite> Which is how I like to think of it.

[10:07] <+Umpteen> Difficult to tell. They could be. IMO Nordic myth doesn't so much care whether it's in this kalpa or another: it's all myth anyway.

[10:07] <Mojo> Very true, good point Rotten

[10:07] <+RottenDeadite> Just a bunch of collected Nordic stories.  And the sacking of Saarthal is just so traumatic to Nords that they tend to talk about it a lot.

[10:07] <+Umpteen> Storytelling creates kalpas :D

[10:08] <+RottenDeadite> True, Ump :)

[10:08] <+RottenDeadite> Words are Reality.

[10:09] <+Umpteen> Right: "Kinmune was a top-of-the-line Hazardous Conditions Warprunner Exoform of an ayleidoon hegemony nearing another unceremonious end." KINMUNE was operated by Ayleids, but crucially only in the non-ESO, cuhlecainian version.

[10:10] <+Umpteen> Remastered Ayrenn lacks the first paragraph - although we may as well assume most or all of it in the illustrated one too, as it explains lots.

[10:10] <+RottenDeadite> Could be that this was another Ayleid empire that happened in the 9th (or earlier) Era.

[10:10] <+RottenDeadite> Because the Ayleids were never truly wiped out.

[10:10] <+RottenDeadite> OR

[10:10] <+Umpteen> I reckon so.

[10:10] <+Umpteen> Aurorans, anyway.

[10:10] <+RottenDeadite> Some other organization is now calling itself, in the 9th Era, Ayleid.

[10:11] <+RottenDeadite> Or maybe they're like Daleks.

[10:11] <+RottenDeadite> Kill 'em all, and eventually someone else just re-invents them for some dumbass reason.

[10:11] <+Umpteen> Can't keep a good man - er, horrible mer - down

[10:11] <+RottenDeadite> HEH

[10:11] <+Umpteen> "stealing breath" is kinda Ayleid, almost.

[10:11] <+RottenDeadite> How so?

[10:12] <+Umpteen> Creepy as heck if they have man-slaves as breath-batteries to sustain their empire in the firmament

[10:12] <Mojo> heh, that's a fun theory for the breath trade

[10:13] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooh

[10:13] <+Umpteen> Maybe we can combine the "illicit breath trade" with the "void is psychosomatic"

[10:13] <+Umpteen> Breathing keeps things running

[10:13] <+RottenDeadite> AH.  Hey... Huh....

[10:13] <+RottenDeadite> Hmm...

[10:13] <+RottenDeadite> Uh oh.

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> Okay.  So what do you often think of when someone in TES talks about "breathing."

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> "I breathe now, in Royalty."

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> Aside from CHIM, though.

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> I'd say Thu'um.

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> Right?

[10:14] <Mojo> Thu'um would be the big one

[10:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.

[10:14] <+Umpteen> Aha, yes

[10:14] <+RottenDeadite> And we're already kinda talking about Words are Reality.

[10:14] <+Umpteen> Which is why it's Kynareths

[10:14] <+SemblioSanctii> And I guess Morihaus, Breath-of-Kyne.

[10:15] <+RottenDeadite> Just like in Ehlnofex, where every word is a spell or a mythological assertion.

[10:15] <Mojo> I'm thinking back to the Commentaries now

[10:15] <+RottenDeadite> Just like the whole universe started with "AE", "I AM," and "DAE," "I AM NOT."

[10:15] <+Umpteen> "Some felt Kinmune’s distress call as a small tickle of in the

[10:15] <+Umpteen> Throat"

[10:15] <Mojo> Words are reality, Words come off the tongue like breath...

[10:16] <Mojo> Am I in the ball park here?

[10:16] <+RottenDeadite> I'd say that KINMUNE was helping the Ayleids mine reality itself, in the form of "breath."

[10:16] <+RottenDeadite> Right, Mojo.

[10:16] <+SemblioSanctii> Sort of like

[10:16] <+RottenDeadite> And the edge of the world is the bottom row of the world's teeth.

[10:16] <+SemblioSanctii> the line about WGT harvesting creatia?

[10:16] <+RottenDeadite> And we stand upon its tongue.

[10:17] <Mojo> But without a tongue, you need a black market for it

[10:17] <+RottenDeadite> I think it might be like overfishing.

[10:17] <+RottenDeadite> heh

[10:17] <+Umpteen> Which is why she end up in the Ysgramorid, because she is programmed with part of its history and has a natural affinity to reality-shaping breath anyway. Her bad experiences in that time are what leader her to hate the Thu'umanoids later on.

[10:17] <+RottenDeadite> Like, it's illegal because they are pulling "breath" out of the Aether outside of the traditional closed-loop of the Dreamsleeve.

[10:18] <Mojo> This kind of supports the Eye=KINMUNE thing as well

[10:18] <+RottenDeadite> So instead of a natural cycle of Creatia into Mundus, they're effectively leaching it out of the Aether and "stuffing" it back into Mundus.

[10:18] <Mojo> Those anomalies are a result of reality bending

[10:18] <+RottenDeadite> Thus creating a kind of imbalance.

[10:20] <+Umpteen> So why does she need to "stream several live-wire mortal proxies at once" for that?

[10:20] <+RottenDeadite> Because the job takes more than one controller.

[10:20] <+RottenDeadite> She's a VM server that supports numerous RDP connections.

[10:20] <+RottenDeadite> brb

[10:20] <+Umpteen> I was thinking streaming was about the output rather than multiple users.

[10:21] <Mojo> Perhaps to emulate a higher spirit?

[10:22] <Mojo> It seems creatia and the like are more malleable to et'Ada and the like. We've seen mortals try to achieve that in multiple ways with the anti-creation of multiple souls to create a higher gradient being.

[10:22] <Mojo> Perhaps KINMUNE was emulating this when streaming multiple mortal proxies at once?

[10:25] <NordJitsu> *lower-gradient being

[10:26] <Mojo> How so?

[10:26] <NordJitsu> NUMIDIUM is created by mortals

[10:26] <NordJitsu> So it is further down the chain

[10:26] <NordJitsu> Lower =/= worse

[10:26] <+Umpteen> "all creation is subgradient"

[10:26] <NordJitsu> ^

[10:26] <Mojo> right, but I'm talking about anti-creation

[10:27] <NordJitsu> Well that's party of the ambiguity

[10:27] <+Umpteen> Indeed you are.

[10:27] <NordJitsu> We're told that they are creating the divine from the mortal in one instance

[10:27] <NordJitsu> And in another that they are trying to reach the final subgradient

[10:28] <+Umpteen> Yus

[10:28] <+Umpteen> That's what I was about to type out in more words, thanks

[10:28] <+Umpteen> Always been confused about that.

[10:28] <NordJitsu> I think its purposeful contradiction

[10:28] <NordJitsu> We aren't supposed to know if they're moving up or down

[10:28] <NordJitsu> Once I came up with a theory that they were trying to go sideways

[10:29] <+Umpteen> I guess it comes down to "divine simply means not mortal". Animunculi are divine; Numidium is divine; Magnus is divine; Talos is divine.

[10:29] <NordJitsu> Rejecting both paths

[10:29] <Mojo> Well the point still stands if we just consider the anti-creation bit right?

[10:29] <NordJitsu> Well, not if its creation

[10:29] <+Umpteen> Do we know that the Numidium is even an example of anti-creation?

[10:29] <Mojo> lol let's forget about Numidium

[10:29] <NordJitsu> The anti-creation was just one scholar's theory

[10:29] <NordJitsu> Okay

[10:29] <Mojo> Just the concept itself of anti-creation into a higher gradient thing

[10:30] <+Umpteen> Yah. anti-creation as "undoing the effects of our creation".

[10:30] <+Umpteen> Meddling with your impossipoints.

[10:30] <NordJitsu> oh gotcha

[10:30] <NordJitsu> So anti-creation might not necessarily mean up the chain

[10:30] <NordJitsu> just in defiance of creation?

[10:30] <Mojo> Would it be plausible that, assuming the anti-creation bit is correct, that KINMUNE is emulating that via multi-user streaming?

[10:31] <NordJitsu> Could make sense I think, ya

[10:31] <+Umpteen> Memspore is supragradient to mojo?

[10:32] <Mojo> How do you mean?

[10:32] <Mojo> I understand supragradient but how about memospore?

[10:32] <+Umpteen> I mean this chatroom. It's a KINMUNE.

[10:32] <Mojo> lmao

[10:32] <Mojo> ohhh

[10:32] <+Umpteen> Being silly

[10:33] <+Umpteen> I guess it's like the whole "dwemer soul" as an abstracted yet real thing seperate from any one dwemer.

[10:33] <Mojo> memospore2 is now a supragradient being of a divine status. Stomp as it will

[10:33] <+Umpteen> That's how th

[10:34] <+Umpteen> oops

[10:34] <Mojo> brb, gonna eat ma jimmy johns

[10:34] <+Umpteen> I gotta go make food now, fun talking

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[10:36] <+RottenDeadite> Lunch is a good idea.

[10:36] * RottenDeadite is away: FOOD

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[11:02] <+Cider> Nothing like a pumpkin spice latte

[11:03] <Mojo> Damn, mass exodus.

[11:04] <Mojo> Taste like Pumpkin Pie Cider?

[11:04] <+Cider> Not really but it tastes like pumpkins

[11:05] <Mojo> bummer, I love pumpkin pie

[11:05] <+Cider> so do I

[11:05] <+Cider> I

[11:05] <+Cider> would make love to Herma-Mora

[11:05] <+Cider> that voice

[11:06] <+Cider> He has the sexiest voice in skyrim

[11:06] <Mojo> hahaha

[11:06] <+Cider> and snake lady Boethiah

[11:06] <+Cider> though I prefer bad-ass ebony wearing warrior Boethiah

[11:07] <Mojo> ^

[11:07] <Mojo> As do I

[11:07] <+Thrice-Crooked> Ebony wearing snake lady

[11:07] <+Thrice-Crooked> done

[11:07] <+Cider> if it's skimpy ebony even better

[11:08] <+Cider> she can curl around me until I die anyday

[11:08] <Mojo> Boethiah is a dude for me.

[11:08] <+Cider> Boethiah can be whatever he/she wants

[11:09] <+Cider> the Daedric princes have no true form :P

[11:09] <Mojo> that's why I said for me :P

[11:11] <+Cider> but seriouslt

[11:11] <+Cider> *seriously

[11:11] <+Cider> those tentacles + that voice = sexiest mofo

[11:11] <Mojo> Herma-Mora, the original tentance pr0n

[11:11] <Mojo> tentacle*

[11:12] <+Cider> Molag Bal's horse cock has nothing on Mora's tentacles

[11:12] <Mojo> dammit, brb

[11:18] * Varanu_afk is now known as Varanu

[11:18] <+Cider> Hey Varanu

[11:21] <+Varanu> hiya

[11:21] <+Varanu> I bought some clothes today :D

[11:21] <+Varanu> they are stylin'

[11:22] * Varanu likes REI best for buying clothes

[11:22] * Varanu has a fashion sense, she just chooses to ignore it

[11:23] <+Cider> I'm simplistic

[11:23] <+Cider> I like t-shirts and jeans

[11:24] <+Varanu> I've actually found I really like dresses

[11:24] <+Cider> i will admit

[11:24] <+Cider> I would go for a nice suit

[11:24] <+Varanu> casual dresses are best

[11:24] <+Cider> but for the most part I like it simple

[11:25] <+Varanu> one garment and you're doen

[11:25] <+Varanu> *done

[11:25] <+Varanu> and it looks like you're trying even though zero effort was actually involved

[11:25] <+Cider> True

[11:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> whyd you know?

[11:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> i dont think there is a one piece clothing for men that isnt an overall

[11:28] <+Varanu> prison jumpsuit

[11:28] <+Varanu> Cider knows all about dem

[11:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> hehe

[11:28] <+Varanu> ;)

[11:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> as a man i can only say: we got it way easier in the clothes department

[11:28] <+Cider> I would never goto prison

[11:29] <+Thrice-Crooked> our choices are not "what kind of shirt" but "how bad does this smell?"

[11:29] <+Cider> my ass can't handle that

[11:29] <+Cider> so true

[11:29] <+Thrice-Crooked> try shitting yourself. probably theyll be too disgusted to rape you

[11:29] <+Varanu> I think the advantage of womens clothing is that it's a little more flexible in terms of formality

[11:29] <+Cider> we just throw anything on in the morning if we don't have anything important to do

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> might be varanu

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> on the other hand

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> men never have to worry about fitting in with anything

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> we dont have to care what colour our dress has

[11:30] <+Varanu> that's true

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> we wear suits

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> and lets be totaly frank here

[11:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> there are smokings and there are suits. and thats it. thats as far as the differences go

[11:31] <+Varanu> I suppose you can also wear a suit with or without the jacket :/

[11:31] <+Thrice-Crooked> not realy

[11:31] <+Varanu> but I think that might be more weather-dependent than situation-dependent

[11:31] <+Thrice-Crooked> you have to bring the jacket

[11:31] <+Thrice-Crooked> you can later remove the jacket

[11:31] <+Varanu> yeah

[11:31] <+Thrice-Crooked> but if you dont *have* the jacket with you, you are an unimportant little person

[11:31] <+Varanu> haha

[11:31] <+Varanu> like not wearing a tie

[11:31] <+Varanu> the tie is not optional

[11:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> it is not

[11:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> and god i wish it was

[11:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> i hate ties, not because i dont like how they look (they look awsome) and not even because how annoying they can get when they dont look right but because they just kinda choke you

[11:32] <+SemblioAbsentii> Be a reductionist hipster rebel and wear a cravat.

[11:32] <+SemblioAbsentii> Still counts as a "tie."

[11:32] <+Varanu> small price to pay though, for not having to stand in front of mirrors and say, "huh, do these earrings go with this dress? how about the shoes?"

[11:33] <+Thrice-Crooked> you can still look semi competent without a tie tho

[11:33] <+Thrice-Crooked> *warning incoming TC in school pic* [url="https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/25765_113851695292369_6886686_n.jpg%20%20i"]https://scontent-a-a...886686_n.jpg  i[/url] was inside the European Parliament wearing that. No problem.

[11:34] <+Varanu> what, jeans, really?

[11:34] <+Thrice-Crooked> oh yeah, shoes are a big thing when discussing them. but in reality....

[11:34] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah... well... we were running around brussels

[11:34] <+Thrice-Crooked> and antwerpent

[11:35] <+Thrice-Crooked> i just realized how much beni ruins the photo by his pose

[11:35] <+Varanu> which one is he?

[11:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> the one that looks like he dropped something

[11:36] <+Varanu> lol

[11:36] <+Varanu> it kinda looks like he blinked too

[11:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> its always the same with him

[11:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> every photo he is on

[11:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> he is on there like that

[11:38] <+Thrice-Crooked> but i also found this pic again so im happy [url="https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/293648_1821250470968_939899675_n.jpg"]https://scontent-b-a...939899675_n.jpg[/url]

[11:41] <+Varanu> oh lol

[11:42] <+Thrice-Crooked> i yet have to make a picture that i adore more than this one

[11:42] <+Varanu> TC I gotta say I'm really glad you do the hangout dance with me

[11:42] <+Varanu> no one else does it

[11:42] <+Varanu> and it would be so lonely to do it by myself

[11:42] * Varanu shares all her feeeeeeelings

[11:42] <+Thrice-Crooked> aw yeah. ending dances are awsome

[11:43] <+Thrice-Crooked> everyone else is just too concerned about their diginity

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[12:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> that

[12:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> was some goooood food

[12:02] <+Umpteen> I am in agreement

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[12:09] <+Thrice-Crooked> oiumpteen

[12:09] <+Umpteen> Lo

[12:14] * RottenDeadite is back (gone 01:38:29)

[12:15] <+Thrice-Crooked> welcome back

[12:20] <+RottenDeadite> Sorta back.

[12:20] <+RottenDeadite> Back, but working.

[12:20] <+Varanu> I'mma go away again for a bit

[12:20] <+Varanu> so that MK can come back ;D

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[12:20] <!Dovahkiin> lol

[12:20] <!Dovahkiin> the dance continues

[12:20] <+RottenDeadite> hahaha

[12:21] <!Dovahkiin> myrrlyn and I were discussing ideas for well-run novelty accounts on /r/teslore

[12:22] <!Dovahkiin> see: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1oe858/the_landfall_and_alduin_an_outlandish_idea/ccr9eke"]http://www.reddit.co...sh_idea/ccr9eke[/url]

[12:22] <!Dovahkiin> Guy thinks Alduin is the Prophet of Landfall, Prophet_of_Landfall comes on

[12:23] <!Dovahkiin> "AS ARE BAT TIGERS, CLIFFRACERS, AND CLASS GK293 HARVESTING ARRAYS, YET YOU DO NOT CONFUSE THEM WITH THE EATER."

[12:23] <!Dovahkiin> ;)

[12:24] <+RottenDeadite> I think PoPs would shit a brick and banhammer you guys instantly.

[12:25] <+RottenDeadite> That's pretty much exactly the kind of thing he hates.

[12:25] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://images.derstandard.at/2013/09/02/1376597536720-Schweinehund-645-450.jpg"]http://images.dersta...und-645-450.jpg[/url] its in german but still hillarious

[12:25] <+RottenDeadite> STL on the other hand would eat it up.

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[12:27] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, probably. But what if the novelty accounts actually contributed to the discussion?

[12:27] <+OPG> Hey, stopping in on the road.

[12:27] <!Dovahkiin> Hey OPG

[12:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> OP OP OP OP

[12:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> you missed stuff on the hangout... i guess

[12:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> we didnt speak about guards because of your absence

[12:28] <!Dovahkiin> Also, this guy ([url="http://www.reddit.com/user/MLCHZDK"]http://www.reddit.com/user/MLCHZDK[/url]) is interesting.

[12:28] <+OPG> RottenDeadite: On the tarot deck, feel free to rip whatever you want from this:

[12:28] <+OPG> [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1f16to/the_history_of_card_games/"]http://www.reddit.co..._of_card_games/[/url]

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[12:29] <+OPG> The google doc has more ideas. It's in the comments. I'm not even going to try to link it directly in here, my phone hates google docs.

[12:30] * OPG obviously lurks on the lore forums even when supposedly away.

[12:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://images.derstandard.at/2012/11/12/1350357913862.jpg"]http://images.dersta...50357913862.jpg[/url]

[12:32] <+RottenDeadite> Oh, right, I forgot about that, thanks OPG.

[12:32] <+Thrice-Crooked>  thers a whole article of those. the gemran ones are realy good...

[12:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> also: Lurkmoar

[12:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://images.derstandard.at/2012/11/12/1350357931630.jpg"]http://images.dersta...50357931630.jpg[/url]

[12:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> id like a snake to my beer

[12:34] <+OPG> Elk still remastering art?

[12:35] <+Thrice-Crooked> hmm?

[12:35] <+Thrice-Crooked> probably?

[12:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> also: goddamit thats just awfull advertisement, i have seen that myslef and it makes me sick. and also ask "Why would saying MEN ONLY be a good advertisement for men? *who* likes a sausagefest? Are women these violent uncontrolable beasts that ruin games?"

[12:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/14/wartune-is-for-men-only-no-womens-to-read/"]http://www.rockpaper...womens-to-read/[/url]

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[12:42] <Mojo> I'm fairly positive who MLCHZDK is

[12:43] <Mojo> Not sure if he wants it spoiled or not, but I think I figured him out

[12:43] <Mojo> Purely based off his pearltrees account

[12:45] <_stille_> my connection dropped so I missed a bit. MLCHZDK?

[12:46] <Mojo> I think he's Flippers

[12:47] <+Thrice-Crooked> multiaccounts are lame

[12:48] <Mojo> It works in RP threads which MLCHZDK was only used in until recently

[12:50] <Mojo> First appearance was The Whispered Web that me and Flips roleplayed

[12:50] <Mojo> Second I think was my Indl Neht topic that was a roleplay

[12:50] <Mojo> But now he's showing up outside of those contexts

[12:54] <Mojo> well, I suppose not entirely as the posts he replies to are "in-universe"

[12:57] <Mojo> I feel like I just killed a vibe or something

[12:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> silence is the curse upon the IRC

[12:57] <_stille_> nah mojo, we're just drunk :P

[12:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> speak for yourself :D

[12:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> im not drunk on mondays

[12:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> .... mostly

[12:58] <Mojo> Todays my actual Birthday so I might make an exception

[12:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> well happy birthday then

[12:58] <Mojo> Gracias

[12:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> you are one year closer to your untimeley demise

[12:58] <Mojo> I know

[12:58] <Mojo> Thank fuck

[12:58] <Mojo> lol jk

[12:58] <+Umpteen> there is no time

[12:59] <+Umpteen> look:

[12:59] * Umpteen presents mojo with a broken dragon

[12:59] * Mojo hands back a broken serpent

[12:59] <+Umpteen> You're too kind.

[12:59] * Umpteen gets lost as sixteen continents overlap about his blurry body

[12:59] <+Thrice-Crooked> better than a broken turtle

[13:00] <Mojo> heh

[13:00] <_stille_> hehe

[13:00] <_stille_> I do speak for myself Thrice

[13:00] <_stille_> royal we :P

[13:00] <+Thrice-Crooked> Heh

[13:01] <+Umpteen> [moth segue]: mega-memo

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[13:01] <_stille_> not sleeping is the best. you get drunk on 1 beer and 1 glass of wine

[13:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> how long did you not sleep?

[13:01] <_stille_> granted, it was one of dem Belgian beers that are 11% alcohol :P

[13:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> oh damn

[13:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> id get drunk on belgian beer any damn monday

[13:01] <Mojo> mmmmmmmmmmm

[13:01] <_stille_> eh, I did sleep for 4h

[13:02] <Mojo> touching on my alcoholic tendency

[13:02] <_stille_> so it's not quite the sleeplessness of ages

[13:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> well belgian beer is enaugh reason to drink

[13:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> good times in brussels..... Gulden Draak is one hell of a beer

[13:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> Chimey Grand reserve too, not sure if thats belgian tho

[13:03] <_stille_> I'm a Kasteel Donker fan

[13:03] <_stille_> only beer I ever liked

[13:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> well if you start out with belgian beer i dont blame you for not liking ohter beers

[13:04] <+Thrice-Crooked> belgian and czech are just.... that much above the rest

[13:04] <_stille_> word.

[13:04] <+Thrice-Crooked> ... damn i can obsess too much about beer

[13:04] <_stille_> I started out as a wine drinker, so most beers to me are just kinda tasteless and sour

[13:04] <+Thrice-Crooked> i realy suck at telling wine from each other

[13:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> and i only drink red wine

[13:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> well not only. but if i get to pick i drink red wine

[13:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> this is the thid 1000g bag of tangerines i eat today. i should sotp.

[13:20] <+Thrice-Crooked> [url="http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/10/war-portraits/?viewall=true"]http://www.wired.com...s/?viewall=true[/url]

[13:21] <+RottenDeadite> My wife told me last weekend that she was thinking about learning how to taste wine.  I like the idea.

[13:21] <+Thrice-Crooked> haha

[13:21] <+RottenDeadite> But a few days later she also asked me if I wanted to go to firearm classes.

[13:21] <+RottenDeadite> And for a second there the two things got crossed in my head and I wondered about wine tasting at shooting ranges.

[13:23] <+Thrice-Crooked> perhaps not the smartest thing

[13:23] <+Thrice-Crooked> but dude id do it

[13:27] <Mojo> Well you are supposed to spit at wine tastings ;)

[13:28] <+RottenDeadite> True :D

[13:28] <Mojo> Give the wine a twirl, good long sniff, sip, suck in air while the wine is in your mouth, spit

[13:28] <Mojo> Pretty much the process

[13:31] <+RottenDeadite> Then unload 40 cal. glock at close range.

[13:32] <+RottenDeadite> "I'm tasting hints of oranges with a slightly tart aftertaste.  Oh, and is that gunpowder I smell?"

[13:34] <Mojo> Sounds like a good ole day in 'Murica

[13:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> gunpowder threw me off alot the first time

[13:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> not cause i didnt know the smell

[13:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> but you are exposed to guns all the time in media

[13:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> but then you realize how penetrant that smell is

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[13:38] <Guest6569549> ah, damnit

[13:39] <+Thrice-Crooked> hehe

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[13:44] <+OPG> Have we ever gone into the possibility of people engineering false memories with dreams/memory stones/memospores? (And if memories are composed of memospores, what are souls made of? Kaleidocules?)

[13:45] <+RottenDeadite> Yup, we have.

[13:45] <+RottenDeadite> Or well I have.

[13:45] <+RottenDeadite> And souls are made of magicka.

[13:45] <+RottenDeadite> Or rather "soul" is the name assigned to magicka saturated with the imprint of memory.

[13:45] <+RottenDeadite> In my headcanon at any rate.

[13:46] <+OPG> What've you done with the false memories angle?

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[13:51] <+RottenDeadite> I was planning on writing at least one quest in the Dream Trade market where a customer or customers discover that a very popular dream was manufactured, and is suggesting behavior to them.

[13:51] <+RottenDeadite> Like programming them.

[13:53] <+OPG> That's what they get for buying them cheap.

[13:55] <+OPG> Back alley Dreams should usually have crap like that, it's like spiked drugs.

[13:56] <+OPG> Untrustworthy dealers.

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[13:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> btw i think ive brought this up before

[13:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> but did you guys know that when you swim off morrowind, like for way long after the map is gone, at some point a way larger-than-usual group of dreugh attacks you out of nowhere?

[13:58] <+OPG> Rrally?

[13:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah

[13:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> i mean not like 20

[13:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> but like 6 ot 7

[14:00] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.

[14:00] <+Umpteen> I assume it's a matter of un-cleared-up quirks of spawning or placement.

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[14:13] <+RottenDeadite> God dammit it's 4:00 already.

[14:14] <+Thrice-Crooked> 22:14 here

[14:19] <+OPG> Vanishing, cya guys in a day or two.

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[14:22] <+Cider> my god

[14:22] <+Cider> someone is preaching the LDB will become the emperor

[14:23] <+Umpteen> And you called some innocent newfolk a troll. Manners trumps wrongness

[14:23] <+Cider> I legit thought he was a troll from his name

[14:23] <+Umpteen> Whereas I have neither manners nor rightness.

[14:24] <+Umpteen> Teehee

[14:24] <+Cider> your post made me cringe

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[14:24] <+Umpteen> I'm not surprised

[14:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> what was the post?

[14:24] <+Cider> I hate the idea of something like THAT being forced onto the LDB

[14:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> (also you totaly become emperor, by killing the elder council and leading your dragon cult, at least thats what i want)

[14:25] <+Cider> I want my LDB to either return to morrowind or end up trapped in Herma-Mora's realm

[14:25] <Zilzavar> What's being talked about?

[14:25] <+Cider> which Mora suggested at the end of DB is what might happen due to the LDB becoming addicted to the knowledge of apocrypha

[14:25] <+Thrice-Crooked> no clue actually

[14:25] <+Cider> stupid shit

[14:25] <+Thrice-Crooked> dunno my LDB probably cant even read...

[14:25] <+Cider> clearly

[14:25] <+Cider> Mora has audio tapes

[14:25] <+Umpteen> I want: LDB eats the world. Next game (which will be fallout btw) contains in some hidden nook a photo of Todd and the words "you finally did it. you killed tamriel"

[14:26] <+Cider> YES

[14:26] <+Cider> YES

[14:26] <+Cider> YES

[14:26] <+Cider> XD

[14:26] <+Cider> That's what TES will be

[14:26] <+Thrice-Crooked> Umpteen the LDB mantling Alduin was the ending for the Masser mod that i originally pitched

[14:26] <+Cider> I'm actually for the LDB mantling alduin

[14:26] <+Umpteen> Mantling implies reason. Alduin is just you posing in the mirror and that's the truth of it

[14:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> it just happens along the way

[14:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> i think we got a writeup of it

[14:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> but it involves reinstating the dragon cult, invading Cyrodiil from space, murdering the elder council, declaring yourself underking and probably eating the world

[14:28] <+Umpteen> setscale 10000000 -> [newfangled console select-all] -> disable

[14:29] <+Thrice-Crooked> i just realy like the idea of having your own mask -wearing private army

[14:29] <+Thrice-Crooked> in the Dragonborn dlc

[14:29] <+Thrice-Crooked> i made my LDB to look like a polar opposit of miraak, wearing the carved nord armor and a silver dragon priest mask

[14:30] <+Thrice-Crooked> but i realy wish there was a mask called DOVAHKIIN and it should look like a stylized version of alduins head

[14:31] <+Umpteen> [url="http://i.imgur.com/bPory0M.jpg"]http://i.imgur.com/bPory0M.jpg[/url] no no no no no

[14:31] <_stille_> ok I love my fucking boyfriend

[14:31] <+Thrice-Crooked> ... yeah.. you should

[14:31] <_stille_> you may have heard me complaining about Skyrim's moons not having transparent dark sides

[14:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> Lol umpteeen this reminds me of Dark Souls

[14:32] <+Umpteen> That's what it is.

[14:32] <_stille_> as they should seeing how they're not balls of rock but projections of infinite planes on the finite understanding of nirnites

[14:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> oh right, i thought it was a skyrim mod.

[14:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah, even tho it was  a bug _stille_ it kinda makes sense

[14:32] <_stille_> boyfriend has definitely heard me complaining as well, so now all of you can have the awesome that is skyrim transparent moons

[14:32] <_stille_> [url="http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/44501"]http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/44501[/url]

[14:33] <+Umpteen> Sweet

[14:33] <+Umpteen> Pass on thanks

[14:33] <+Thrice-Crooked> thats cool of him _stille_ nice work

[14:36] <_stille_> :D

[14:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> i may actually download that

[14:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> at least when Skywind comes out

[14:36] <+Thrice-Crooked> ill use that for skywind

[14:37] <+Thrice-Crooked> gotta stay true to the original

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[14:53] <+Cider> that thread ois now pure cancer

[14:53] <+Cider> *is

[14:54] <_stille_> what thread?

[14:54] <+Cider> [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1475042-is-the-dragonborn-talos/"]http://forums.bethso...agonborn-talos/[/url]

[14:54] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> What thread?

[14:54] <_stille_> ah

[14:54] <+Cider> someone doesn't understand why it would be a problem if they gave the LDB a canon race, gender and name

[14:54] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> ....... No.

[14:55] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Just from the URL.

[14:55] <+Cider> it is really stupid

[14:55] <+Cider> with flawed logic

[14:56] <+Cider> especially the part where "well every dragonborn makes an empire"

[14:56] <+Cider> which is wrong

[14:56] <+Cider> Tiber didn't create shit, he stole the empire from Zero

[14:56] <+Cider> he just expanded it

[14:56] <_stille_> [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1475042-is-the-dragonborn-talos/#entry23047503"]http://forums.bethso.../#entry23047503[/url] I like MerchantMudCrab's list

[14:56] <+SemblioSanctii> "just"

[14:56] <+Cider> But it's true

[14:57] <+Cider> the third empire was created by Zero

[14:57] <+Cider> Tiber usurped it

[14:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> well

[14:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> i like pouring mythical importance over a PC

[14:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> but hey

[14:57] <+Thrice-Crooked> i was the guy who wanted every player from ESO to be Tiber

[14:57] <+Cider> ..

[14:57] * Cider hisses at TC

[14:57] <+RottenDeadite> haha

[14:57] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> I really liked the "Is the Prophet of Landfall Alduin" question

[14:58] <+SemblioSanctii> xXx420SeptimxXx for Imperator-ut-Cyrod

[14:58] <+Cider> but yea

[14:58] <+Cider> forfucksake

[14:58] <+RottenDeadite> Really, though, Cider, you are right about one thing: it's UNLIKELY that Bethesda will assign a particular race or sex to the LDB in future TES games.

[14:58] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> And "Is the LDB the Amaranth"

[14:58] <+Cider> ruling =/= creating

[14:58] <+RottenDeadite> But they COULD.

[14:58] <+Cider> Wulfharth created nothing

[14:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> they only did it with Arena

[14:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> and with nothing else

[14:58] <+Cider> he inherited

[14:58] <+Thrice-Crooked> why would they now...

[14:59] <+Cider> I am right about the LDB NOT becoming an emperor

[14:59] <+Cider> because it makes no sense

[14:59] <+RottenDeadite> Well they could make him the next emperor.

[14:59] <+Cider> No

[14:59] <+RottenDeadite> I mean let me say this:

[14:59] <+Cider> they couldn't

[15:00] <+RottenDeadite> I don't think there's any way to guess what the LDB will be doing after Skyrim.

[15:00] <+RottenDeadite> I sure didn't see the Nerevarine going to Akavir.  That was crazy.

[15:00] <+Cider> because then we will get the annoying s fuck vagueness again

[15:00] <+Cider> *as fuck

[15:00] <+SemblioSanctii> LDB will join Tulius Stormcloak in retiring to a villa in the upcountry of Bretony. /crack

[15:00] <+RottenDeadite> But yeah, if they do what they've always done, the LDB's activities after TES5 will be vague as hell.  And that's fine.

[15:00] <+Cider> SS that's more likely then the LDB becoming an emperor

[15:00] <+Cider> I mean

[15:00] <+RottenDeadite> But Bethesda COULD get very specific about it.  That's their perogative.

[15:01] <+RottenDeadite> My point is more this: It doesn't matter what Bethesda does.

[15:01] <+Cider> Tulius and Ulfric are both single men

[15:01] <+Cider> they can be gay, you never know

[15:01] <+RottenDeadite> Could be, sure.  If you want them to be.

[15:01] <+Cider> TuliusxUlfric

[15:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> well Cider

[15:01] <+Cider> best OTP

[15:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> if we go by the idea RottenDeadite and I had

[15:01] <+RottenDeadite> You can ship them however you like.

[15:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> the LDB would become the Underking

[15:01] <+Thrice-Crooked> means he rules the empire not in name

[15:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> but by pulling the strigns in the background

[15:02] <+Cider> I still wouldn't like that

[15:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> which would be cool because it would give any future emperors descisions a realy cool meaning

[15:02] <+Cider> and would still think it's really stupid

[15:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> ... yeah but thats just your fancy.

[15:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> thers a difference between "that cant happen" and "but i dont like that"

[15:02] <+RottenDeadite> Right.  You can just feel free to ignore it.

[15:02] <+RottenDeadite> Or mod it so it never happened.

[15:02] <+RottenDeadite> I'm ignoring ALL KINDS of TES Lore myself.

[15:02] <+RottenDeadite> Like...

[15:02] <+Thrice-Crooked> or ignore it and act like its "Not canoooon" (like i do with oblivion)

[15:03] <+RottenDeadite> Everything that happens in TESO, for example.

[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> to me oblivion just didnt happen

[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> and yeah, probably ESO too

[15:03] <+SemblioSanctii> While making player characters godlike npcs in subsequent titles isn't something I'm fond of, neither is having powerful mythic figures fuck off into the twil.

[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> not realy the twil

[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> they always come from the west

[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> but they ALWAYS disappear east

[15:03] <+SemblioSanctii> and on that note, gonna fuck off and mulch some leaves

[15:03] <+SemblioSanctii> bbiab

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[15:03] <+Thrice-Crooked> cya mate

[15:03] <+Cider> but making the heroes disappear gives us the chance of deciding what happens to them

[15:03] <+Cider> the Nerevarine going to akavir is a rumor

[15:04] <+Cider> rumors are not always true so we can't take this as true

[15:04] <+Thrice-Crooked> "so i heard this rumor that the new emperor might have been... shouting a bit loud"

[15:04] <+Cider> but we would need a name of the current emperor

[15:04] <+Cider> a race

[15:05] <+Cider> and a gender

[15:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> agaiN: Underking

[15:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> nobody even knows there is an underking

[15:05] <+Cider> and the underking stops us from controling what happens to our characters

[15:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> the end of the game doe stoo...

[15:05] <+Thrice-Crooked> no matter what choices you make

[15:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> the further story ALWAYS says that your character followed the main quest

[15:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> a thing 80% of my characters didnt

[15:06] <+Cider> even the CoC becoming sheo can be turned down by how three ancient beings telling you that you might not take Sheo's place

[15:06] <+Cider> even Mora says you might become addicted to the knowledge he has

[15:06] <+Thrice-Crooked> controll of your charactr is still taken out of your hands at some point. you cant realy fight that.

[15:06] <+Cider> we have total leverage to say what happens to our characters

[15:07] <+Cider> the endings are always vague about what happens to our characters

[15:08] <+Cider> all but daggerfall really

[15:08] <+Cider> since all endings are canon that means the one where the agent dies is canon

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[15:09] <+Cider> it's fine if you want to do that for your LDB

[15:09] <+Cider> but I don't think we should have that forced onto us

[15:13] <+Thrice-Crooked> either way cider

[15:13] <+Thrice-Crooked> i wouldnt be scared of that happening

[15:13] <+Thrice-Crooked> because it evidently isnt

[15:13] <+Thrice-Crooked> realy it was weird how beth stopped skyrim

[15:13] <+Thrice-Crooked> dragonborn was realy not a conclusion at all

[15:13] <+Cider> the only thing good about the dragonborn concept in skyrim imo is that it's the last

[15:16] <+Cider> I find it funny how people think they can avoid having their characters being a dragonborn by not doing the first quest in the MQ

[15:17] <+Cider> your character is still a dragonborn they just don't know it, you aren't doing anything but avoiding awakening them

[15:19] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah honestly i think that that was a mistake

[15:19] <+Thrice-Crooked> i mean good

[15:19] <+Thrice-Crooked> in morrowind you got a dream by azura too

[15:19] <+Thrice-Crooked> i guess there is no escape of beeing labled the protagonist

[15:21] <+Cider> well no

[15:22] <+Cider> all heroes are destined to be heroes from the elder scrolls

[15:22] <+Cider> we aren't just "in the wrong place at the wrong time"

[15:24] <+Cider> isn't that the whole point of having the games named "The elder scrolls?"

[15:24] <+Cider> that we are living a prophecy told in an elder scroll?

[15:26] <+Thrice-Crooked> to me its actually not

[15:26] <+Thrice-Crooked> to me the idea of the prophecy of the elder scrolls is that its not realy a prophecy

[15:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> but it contains all possibilities

[15:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> this includes the character rejecting the prophecy or the prophecy beeing bullshit in the first case

[15:27] <+Cider> Hmm good point

[15:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> the reincarnation of the nerevar was a willfull descision, induced by azura lying to you.

[15:27] <+Cider> but with the dragonborn

[15:27] <+Thrice-Crooked> you were never truly nerevar reborn

[15:27] <+Cider> I don't know if we have that leisure

[15:27] <+Cider> yea

[15:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> yeah well

[15:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> you definitly are the LDB

[15:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> question is do you actually do something with that fact

[15:28] <+Cider> even our wise woman guide tells us "we aren't the Nerevarine, you are just taking the steps in becoming one"

[15:28] <+Cider> well it's not that people avoid the MQ

[15:28] <+Cider> honestly

[15:29] <+Cider> I don't consider Alduin as a threat or all that bad

[15:29] <+Cider> he is just reviving his dead brothers

[15:29] <+Cider> if he was going to eat the kalpa then why is he adding to it?

[15:29] <+Cider> but yea

[15:30] <+Cider> people avoid being the LDB in general

[15:30] <+Cider> like I play as the LDB but I've only done the MQ with like three characters

[15:33] <+Cider> I actually avoid doing the MQ like it's the plague, it's just so mind-boggling boring

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[15:37] <+Cider> hey Mojo

[15:38] <Mojo> Hey Cider

[15:39] <Mojo> Split decision, Morrowind, Dark Souls or GTA V. What should I play...

[15:40] <Mojo> Or option D. Listen to Springsteen and write.

[15:40] <Mojo> hmmm

[15:40] <+Cider> I want to get GTA v

[15:40] <Mojo> It's awesome

[15:41] <+Thrice-Crooked> erh

[15:41] <+Thrice-Crooked> play dark souls

[15:41] <+Thrice-Crooked> you probably played morrowind to death already

[15:41] <+Cider> that's possible? :P

[15:41] <Mojo> I have, but I just started a new character and I'm sucked back in.... Like every other time haha

[15:44] <+Thrice-Crooked> try the boots of blinding speed + hide of the savior + spear of bitter mercy build

[15:44] <+Thrice-Crooked> absoluteley ridiculous

[15:45] <Mojo> haha

[15:45] <+Thrice-Crooked> you just run like a mofo

[15:45] <+Thrice-Crooked> and thanks to the hide of the savior you still see shit

[15:47] <Mojo> Yep, definitely gonna play Morrowind

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[15:48] <+SemblioSanctii> I can see grass again!

[15:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Finally.

[16:10] <+Cider> also

[16:10] <+Cider> everyone needs to watch Axe Cop

[16:11] <+Cider> a guy's son made a comic book hero and this hero was so violent and hilarious they decided to make it into a comic and short tv show

[16:11] <+Cider> it's fucking amazing

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[16:15] <+SemblioSanctii> hi thawks

[16:15] <+thawks> Hello

[16:15] <+thawks> Sup

[16:15] <+SemblioSanctii> nm

[16:15] <+SemblioSanctii> slow right now

[16:16] <+thawks> Heh

[16:16] <+thawks> Currently at airport

[16:16] <+thawks> On phone

[16:16] <+thawks> Trying to sleep

[16:16] <+thawks> Flight in 10 hours, woooo~

[16:18] <+SemblioSanctii> ...wow.

[16:18] <+SemblioSanctii> I don't think I could take sitting in an airport for that long.

[16:18] <+thawks> Hahaha

[16:18] <+thawks> That's what happens when you gotta travel on a budget

[16:19] <+thawks> It's kinda empty though, so we found a quiet corner and made makeshift beds from bags and clothing

[16:20] <+thawks> 'S alright

[16:22] <!Dovahkiin> man, that's tough

[16:28] <+thawks> :P

[16:28] <+thawks> A wise man once said

[16:29] <+thawks> #YOLO

[16:29] <!Dovahkiin> .....lol

[16:32] <+Thrice-Crooked> off to bed goo dnight

[16:33] <!Dovahkiin> night 3C

[16:33] <+thawks> Night

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[16:36] <+Varanu> I have written a bunch of thesis stuff today

[16:36] <+Varanu> success!

[16:37] <+thawks> Yay!

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[16:38] <+thawks> ...wassit about

[16:38] <+SemblioSanctii> grats

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[16:38] <+Varanu> it's just me writing up my plankton experiments

[16:38] <+Varanu> forever

[16:38] <+Varanu> and ever and ever and ever

[16:38] <+thawks> :(

[16:38] <+thawks> Well you got some work done

[16:38] <+thawks> So that's good

[16:39] <+Varanu> :)

[16:39] <+thawks> :D

[16:41] <+SemblioSanctii> Productivity! \o/

[16:59] <+thawks> Gonna try to get some sleep

[16:59] <+thawks> Wish me luck

[17:02] <+Varanu> good luck thawks

[17:02] <+Varanu> have fuuuuun :)

[17:04] <+SemblioSanctii> try not to wake up with a crik in your neck and imprints of zippers and plastic buckles in your skin

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[17:15] <+Varanu> I had a sad thought today

[17:16] <+SemblioSanctii> oh?

[17:16] <+Varanu> I like to do silly dances and have pillow fights and pretend to be stuck in doorways and things like that

[17:16] <+Varanu> but someday when I have children

[17:16] <+Varanu> I will probably not be able to do these things anymore

[17:16] * Varanu sighs

[17:17] <+SemblioSanctii> Sure you can! Just wait until they're old enough that it utterly embaresses them!

[17:17] <+Varanu> lol

[17:17] <+Varanu> act normal long enough for them to develop proper social behavior, and then BAM

[17:17] <+Varanu> true colors emerge

[17:18] <+SemblioSanctii> Make sure it coincides with their teenage years.

[17:19] <+SemblioSanctii> Flawless plan, guarunteed to produce no stress and conflict.

[17:19] <+Varanu> "Mooooom why do you have to be so /weird/ all the time?"

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[17:29] <+Varanu> hiya Umpz

[17:29] <+Umpteen> Hey varanu

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[18:01] <+SemblioAbsentii> bbl

[18:01] <+Varanu> seeya

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[18:16] <+RottenDeadite> Hello again.

[18:17] <+Varanu> hiya

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[18:52] <+Varanu> hiya

[18:52] <MK> burp

[18:52] <MK> hey

[18:54] <MK> So, yeah, Christian pretty much killed that last one.

[18:55] <+Varanu> last what now?

[18:56] <MK> Oh, sorry, the last c0da dot stuff fragment. Killing it as in being perfect with it.

[18:56] <+Umpteen> Definitely

[18:56] <+RottenDeadite> Hey Varanu and MK in the room at the same time.

[18:56] <+RottenDeadite> Freakish odds, that.

[18:57] <MK> Is that a thing?

[18:57] <+Varanu> lol, Rotten

[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah by some weird chance every time you were here, V was afk.

[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> and so on.

[18:57] <+Varanu> like a beautiful dance or something

[18:57] <MK> we know each other. we do it on purpose.

[18:57] <MK> see?

[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> You ARE each other O_O

[18:57] <+Varanu> no, no, I told you

[18:57] <+Varanu> he's in my class :P

[18:58] <+RottenDeadite> Hah right I forgot :)

[18:58] <MK> too many secrets being revealed.

[18:58] <MK> Already getting art for the next one. I will snicker and snort.

[18:58] <+RottenDeadite> :D

[18:59] <+RottenDeadite> Hey do you think there might be some advantage to slowing down the release rate?  Say, one a week or something?

[18:59] <+RottenDeadite> Just spitballing here.

[18:59] <MK> That's gonna have to be a necessity, actually.

[18:59] <MK> And people are getting spoiled, anyway.

[18:59] <+RottenDeadite> Ah yeah there's a chance of that happening, true.

[18:59] <MK> It's already true.

[19:00] <+RottenDeadite> Oh.  I'm not surprised, I guess.  I've had my head in the ground what with masser etc.

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[19:00] <+Varanu> head in the stars, you mean

[19:00] <MK> SP - you're right about the tarot thing

[19:00] <!Dovahkiin> Oh, hi there MK

[19:00] <+RottenDeadite> Stars, yeah :)

[19:00] * NordJitsu slaps MK around a bit with a large fishbot

[19:00] <MK> I was doing that in 2006..? And stopped.

[19:00] <MK> For the same reasons you mentioned.

[19:01] <MK> Hey, nord

[19:01] <NordJitsu> Hey

[19:01] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah it might well not be something I can complete, really.

[19:01] <MK> huh?

[19:01] <+Varanu> tarot or Masser? O_o

[19:02] <+RottenDeadite> Tarot.

[19:02] <+Varanu> oh good

[19:02] * Dovahkiin stops holding breath

[19:02] <MK> Tarot is what I was... yeah, don't do that.

[19:02] <+RottenDeadite> Geeze :D

[19:02] <!Dovahkiin> Joking, joking.

[19:02] <+RottenDeadite> Well I mean it's POSSIBLE but I don't think it'd be very GOOD :D

[19:02] <MK> It's too much of a gimmick

[19:02] <+Varanu> pffff I don't care if you think Masser is getting done or not, you know

[19:02] <MK> Maps all wrong

[19:02] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I can see how that might be the case.

[19:02] <NordJitsu> Come on Varanu...

[19:02] <MK> Masser really probably needs my help

[19:02] <MK> Ain't gonna get it. But just saying.

[19:03] <+RottenDeadite> Hahaha

[19:03] <MK> lol

[19:03] <+RottenDeadite> THANKS dude :D

[19:03] <+Varanu> I mean if you don't think it's going to get done, that's fine, me and the rest will just work on it ourselves ;)

[19:03] <+RottenDeadite> No, V, I'm on Masser like grey on saltrice.

[19:03] <MK> And this merlynn dude?

[19:03] <NordJitsu>  /work/

[19:03] <+Varanu> :D

[19:03] <MK> oh man

[19:03] <MK> I reddedit he was using Cyrus, too. Hnnnh.

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[19:04] <MK> reddedit now a word

[19:04] * RottenDeadite shrugs.

[19:04] <+Varanu> hiya OPG :)

[19:04] <!Dovahkiin> For his Numidium battle. Bring in ALL the characters!

[19:04] * Arena sets mode +v OPG for #memospore2

[19:04] <+OPG> Heya.

[19:04] <+RottenDeadite> What did he call Cyrus?  The Ultimate Mary Sue?  I kinda bristled at that.

[19:04] <+Varanu> ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny etc etc

[19:04] <+RottenDeadite> Or was that someone else that said that?

[19:05] <+OPG> Anybody have a good term for a mage-mechanic? What, an artificer, enchanter?

[19:05] <MK> Naw, he said it. I don't really care about that except the misuse of the term.

[19:05] <NordJitsu> Yo MK, is KIMUNE the Eye of Magnus?

[19:05] <MK> OPG, how much of a mechanic?

[19:05] <MK> And what race?

[19:05] <+Varanu> I like artificer, but lemme think

[19:05] <MK> Or does that matter.

[19:06] <MK> Nord, I ain't gonna answer that and you know it.

[19:06] <NordJitsu> damn

[19:06] <+OPG> Like, somebody keeping the faith engines of an egregore-city running.

[19:06] <+RottenDeadite> mechanic as in someone working on, what, war machines?  Or someone who operates mechanically on magics?

[19:06] <NordJitsu> Seemed like you were in a good mood

[19:06] <+RottenDeadite> Ah.

[19:06] <MK> I am in a great mood

[19:06] <NordJitsu> Get drunk

[19:06] <NordJitsu> I'll ask again latter

[19:06] <MK> I...am

[19:06] <NordJitsu> then I have failed

[19:06] <+OPG> Artificer just seems off because it's more of a crafting thing.

[19:07] <+Varanu> technical wizardry?

[19:07] <+Varanu> :P

[19:07] <MK> wtf is a egredas;djsdla;j?

[19:07] <+RottenDeadite> NJ I think answering things like that goes against the principle of the thing...?  MK you can take it easy here I'll just put words in your mouth for the rest of the night btw.

[19:07] <NordJitsu> True

[19:07] <MK> Nord, I will say that I like the notion

[19:07] <NordJitsu> Cool cool

[19:07] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  "A clever or inventive designer" sounds good.

[19:07] <+RottenDeadite> Artificer I mean.

[19:07] <MK> But, yes, my liking it and me confirming it aren't and should never be the same thing

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[19:07] <+Varanu> I kinda want to say 'technical wizard' but that sounds like someone who is a wizard but not really

[19:08] <+Varanu> hiya Toe :)

[19:08] <+Varanu> wow, everyone is here tonight

[19:08] <+Toesock> Hey Var!

[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> Hey Sock!

[19:08] <NordJitsu> RottenDeadite, I realized after the fact that I wouldn't have wanted Amaranth given to us. In that spam thread

[19:08] <+Toesock> Hi Rotten!!

[19:08] <MK> OPG, again, how much of a mechanic-mechanic?

[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> Hah yeah NJ.

[19:08] <NordJitsu> Still ask the questions tho

[19:08] <+Varanu> MK, I think he means a mechanic who happens to work on magical things

[19:08] <+OPG> Magitech engines maintaining a collective thoughtform.

[19:09] <MK> (You'll all get your goddamn Amaranth, if you don't get there before I spill it out for you)

[19:09] <MK> In what kind of setting?

[19:09] <+OPG> Somebody who maitain

[19:09] <NordJitsu> So were /not/ there then

[19:09] <NordJitsu> Confirmed

[19:09] <MK> nawp

[19:09] <+OPG> It's something other than TES.

[19:09] <MK> But that Sif person is getting you closer

[19:09] <+OPG> Hmm...magitechnician?

[19:09] <+RottenDeadite> Sif's pretty brilliant.

[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> That could work, OPG, but it's kinda... obvious?

[19:10] <MK> oh, then in that case, OPG, I can't help

[19:10] <+Varanu> magitechnician has the unfortunate "magitech" word in it :(

[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah.

[19:10] <+Varanu> by unfortunate I mean terrible

[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> lol

[19:10] <MK> lol

[19:10] <+OPG> Also, forgive any terseness or typos. I'm on my phone.

[19:10] <MK> Here's a thing, OPG

[19:10] <MK> Try it without using a portmanteau

[19:11] <+Varanu> actually, OPG

[19:11] <MK> Just SAY it

[19:11] <+Varanu> I think Greek has something useful. sec.

[19:11] <MK> Artificer? Eberron holds that now.

[19:11] <MK> In the same way you're using it.

[19:11] <MK> PS - sup, sock

[19:12] <+Toesock> Hey MK

[19:12] <+Toesock> :)

[19:12] <MK> OPG, use this: [url="http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/"]http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/[/url]

[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> (something)-wright?

[19:12] <+Umpteen> This guy services belief-engines? Then he's a Gospel Greasemonkey

[19:13] <+Toesock> What are you guys discussing?

[19:13] <Dinmer> Yes

[19:13] <MK> Umpteen is fucking around, but is on the right track. Once you find the real word, make the slang.

[19:14] <+RottenDeadite> I think we've got a few things in the Masser project that might tickle your fancy, MK, but we're trying to re-write the main document into something resembling coherency.

[19:14] <MK> You guys need a wiki stat

[19:14] <+OPG> Ohohohoho Sload living on the God of Worms

[19:14] <MK> too much is TL;DR

[19:14] <+RottenDeadite> Got one.  We're working on that too :)

[19:14] <!Dovahkiin> We have one. Not public, yet.

[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> Care of Dovah yeah :)

[19:15] <+OPG> Lunar Economy of soul currency

[19:15] <+Varanu> not public because it's /abysmal/

[19:15] <MK> Also, would you like to look at an actual design doc?

[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> It's a protowiki.

[19:15] <!Dovahkiin> I'm hosting stuff more than doing lore or anything

[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> FUCK YES.  I mean sure, MK.  Of course.

[19:15] <NordJitsu> Animanic

[19:15] <+Varanu> rewriting the main summary doc should help

[19:15] <+Varanu> with the wiki I mean

[19:15] <+Varanu> and sure, why not :)

[19:15] <NordJitsu> Animus=soul

[19:15] <MK> What you have so far is vomitext

[19:16] <MK> no offense

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> None taken.

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> It is what it is.

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> What we're building now is muuuuuch better.

[19:16] <+OPG> What, the old doc? We droppex that raggy old thing ages ago.

[19:16] <MK> I'm sure, but maybe you want to invest in Confluence or something.

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah OPG the old one.

[19:16] <+Varanu> by the 'so far' do you mean the now-dismantled old thing, or the new things?

[19:16] <+Varanu> oh

[19:16] <MK> no clue

[19:17] <+Varanu> yeah, it was basically unusable as of about a month ago :P

[19:17] <MK> that doc that I scanned and went 'nope nope nope'

[19:17] <MK> How many people are working on this?

[19:17] <+OPG> We're more organized now. We even have a workable degree of consistency!

[19:17] <+Toesock> THANK YOU

[19:17] <+RottenDeadite> I'll read into Confluence.  Don't look too bad.

[19:17] <+Varanu> You're welcome! :P

[19:17] <MK> If it's fewer than ten, you pony up ten bucks.

[19:17] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I like the pricing.

[19:18] <MK> Confluence don't look too bad cuz RL uses it.

[19:18] <MK> By which I mean businesses.

[19:18] <+OPG> The real problem on the mod  level is that we pretty much only have writers.

[19:18] <MK> Treat this shit as a business and not a hobby and I'll be mroe interested.

[19:19] <MK> OPG, no duh. Because that shit is easy.

[19:19] <MK> How much capital do you guys actually have?

[19:19] <+Varanu> to be fair I think Rotten and I are both decently proficient in the CK at this point

[19:19] <+Varanu> capital?

[19:19] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and I'm really concerned about how to write spec for asset creators.

[19:19] <+RottenDeadite> MK there is no capital.

[19:19] <MK> Then it's over.

[19:19] <+RottenDeadite> Not officially.

[19:20] <NordJitsu> Why you need capital for a mod....?

[19:20] <+RottenDeadite> I'm planning on investing in some designers for the world art.

[19:20] * Varanu shrugs and keeps writing

[19:20] <MK> I'm sorry if that sounds harsh.

[19:20] <+RottenDeadite> But no capital is one of the reasons why we're releasing a small mod at the start.

[19:20] <MK> OTher projects have done it without capital.

[19:20] <+OPG> Oh yeah, how is Lleswernovella going, 'nu?

[19:20] <+RottenDeadite> Hopefully it'll help us build momentum for the big one.

[19:20] <NordJitsu> Two words:

[19:20] <+Varanu> it's fine, MK, I don't think anyone's feelings are hurt

[19:20] <NordJitsu> Kickstarter

[19:20] <NordJitsu> Reddit

[19:21] <+Varanu> I think I figured out where the big problems are, OPG

[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> Pretty much my plan, NJ.

[19:21] <+Varanu> unfortunately they are big problems :(

[19:21] <MK> Kickstarter will kick your ass if you're not careful

[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah tell me about it.

[19:21] <MK> here's a wise investment

[19:21] <+Varanu> at some point you and I should talk about how the cartels operate, I think

[19:21] <MK> Go to Monte Cook's site

[19:21] <MK> He funded Numenera via Kick

[19:22] <MK> and learned a fuckton

[19:22] <MK> also: made a fuckton

[19:22] * SemblioAbsentii is now known as SemblioSanctii

[19:22] <+RottenDeadite> Oh my GOD Numenera's blog updates are like Game Dev 101.

[19:22] <MK> He's selling a five dollar "What We Learned" guid

[19:22] <MK> e

[19:22] <+RottenDeadite> I'm learning so much from them.

[19:22] <+Varanu> linkz0rs?

[19:22] <MK> no shit, right?

[19:22] <MK> Pay the five bucks, get the skinny

[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> Justasec V.

[19:23] <+OPG> Also how the Sload/'jiit interact, Var. Though that may not be relevant if you put it pre'Nucyrod.

[19:23] <+SemblioSanctii> hello all

[19:23] <+Varanu> no, it's early Nucyrod

[19:23] <+Varanu> the very beginnings of Lunar Economy, it comes into the plot

[19:23] <!Dovahkiin> hi Semblio

[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> Okay the URL's huge but Varanu if you search Kickstarter for Numenera and then read the Updates I think they're in there.

[19:23] <+OPG> Cool, cool.

[19:24] <+RottenDeadite> If you can't find 'em, tell me tomorrow and I'll copy 'em out of my emails for ya.

[19:24] <+RottenDeadite> It's seriously incredibly instructive.

[19:24] <+Varanu> ty, Rotten, I'll look :)

[19:24] <MK> Okay, here's the deal with this. And Darya can correct me if I'm wrong about time and shit.

[19:24] <MK> But you're making a mod that can't make money.

[19:24] <+RottenDeadite> True.

[19:25] <MK> And shooting your wad with a small release? Probably not what you want.

[19:25] <MK> Come out finished, come out big, go home heroes.

[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> Ahhh...  Heh.

[19:25] <MK> But since it can't make money, it has to be a labor of love.

[19:25] <MK> Which is why all you got are writers.

[19:26] <+OPG> I think the rationale with the small start is to attract people to the wonder of a moon mod.

[19:26] <MK> So: find the scripters, artists, and makers, and PAY them.

[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> True.  We need to find some artists to get them excited.

[19:26] <+Varanu> Mina's still really busy :(

[19:26] <NordJitsu> Contact the Moonpath to Elsweyr people

[19:26] <MK> Varanu, here's a secret.

[19:26] <+Varanu> her social and professional life both decided to implode at the same time or something

[19:26] <+Varanu> ?

[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe, NJ, maybe that might work.

[19:27] <+OPG> NJ, Moonpath wasn't /that/ big.

[19:27] <MK> I dunno Mina, but if he/she is paid, she won't be.

[19:27] <+OPG> It's nothing compared to Nucyrod.

[19:27] <NordJitsu> Maybe not as big as Masser

[19:27] <NordJitsu> But its well done

[19:27] <NordJitsu> And comprehensive

[19:27] <+OPG> Moonpath is like Osla.

[19:27] <MK> (I'm dashing dreams here, aren't I?)

[19:27] <+Varanu> she's my sister

[19:27] <+Varanu> I told her she could do this instead of my wedding invitations

[19:27] <MK> Fair enough. But pay your sister.

[19:28] <MK> All right, let me put relate a story.

[19:28] <!Dovahkiin> Modeling takes a *lot* of work, tbh

[19:28] <MK> Oblige me.

[19:28] <+SemblioSanctii> I wouldn't say you're dashing dreams.

[19:28] <+Varanu> sure, go ahead :)

[19:29] <MK> I wanted art for a thing. Art for something I wrote. The person I asked was a very dear friend.

[19:29] <+RottenDeadite> Modeling and animation are two of the biggest parts, yaeh, Dovh.

[19:29] <MK> The person said yes. Then the person got busy with, like, I dunno Halloween.

[19:29] <Mojo> Not dashing dreams. Cutting us into better shapes

[19:29] <MK> Then Thanksgiving.

[19:29] <MK> Then Christmas. Then New Years. You get the idea.

[19:30] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah Mojo right on :D

[19:30] <!Dovahkiin> Priority sounded low

[19:30] <MK> So I said, hmm. Hey, friend, here's $500. I want that thing.

[19:30] <MK> I got it within a week.

[19:30] <+RottenDeadite> lol

[19:30] <Mojo> Capitalism bitches

[19:30] <MK> No, it's not.

[19:30] <MK> It's work-for-hire.

[19:30] <!Dovahkiin> Incentive structure

[19:31] <+SemblioSanctii> Yeah... I've artists in the family, too. No way am I going to ask them to work gratis on anything, let alone this.

[19:31] <NordJitsu> Mojo, btw

[19:31] <MK> I mean, you guys JUST mentioned Kickstarter.

[19:31] <NordJitsu> I met you somewhere else

[19:31] <NordJitsu> I mentioned it before MK

[19:31] <+Varanu> she's turning down all her commissions right now, though :(

[19:31] <Mojo> Really?

[19:31] <+Varanu> like I say, her life imploded

[19:31] <NordJitsu> Think Mojo

[19:31] <+RottenDeadite> brb doggie pee break

[19:31] * Mojo ponders

[19:32] <MK> Okay, so another story.

[19:32] * Mojo is drunk on his birthday and can't recall

[19:32] <+Varanu> lol, Mojito

[19:32] <MK> A friend contacts me. This dude is major. Like: major.

[19:32] <NordJitsu> YouTue

[19:32] <NordJitsu> Tub*

[19:32] <Mojo> haha no shit?

[19:32] <NordJitsu> Tube....

[19:32] <NordJitsu> Fuck

[19:32] <MK> Like, my last project made a billion dollars in 15 days major.

[19:32] <!Dovahkiin> O_o

[19:33] <+Varanu> o_O

[19:33] <+SemblioSanctii> Yikes.

[19:33] <Mojo> Same name NordJitsu?

[19:33] <NordJitsu> Nope Mojo

[19:33] <Mojo> holy balls

[19:33] <MK> Right. But he had a thing. A personal thing.

[19:33] <NordJitsu> But I told you I knew you

[19:33] <MK> Nord, if you cross talk me one more time.

[19:33] <Mojo> Apologies, I can be forgetful at times

[19:33] * NordJitsu slaps MK around a bit with a large fishbot

[19:33] <MK> And this personal thing was a labor of love.

[19:33] <MK> And we go back 12+ years.

[19:34] <MK> And he needed art for this personal thing. Without even asking, he laid out the terms of payment.

[19:34] <MK> Not because he's fucking rich.

[19:35] <MK> But because that's respect of people's time and, more, a measure by which you can decide if it's worth yours.

[19:35] <MK> And once you say yes and take that money?

[19:35] <MK> You fucking do it.

[19:35] <MK> Story over. You guys can wank now.

[19:36] * NordJitsu wanks

[19:36] <MK> The dude can't draw. The dude needed art. Dude paid. Art got done.

[19:36] <MK> That's how it works.

[19:36] <+RottenDeadite> I'd say kickstarter's a good idea if for no other reason than the fact that funding will allow us to contract a higher caliber of artist than we'd likely get otherwise for free.

[19:36] <MK> Again, apologies.

[19:36] <+RottenDeadite> I mean every so often you get lucky and pick up someone awesome and motivated, but that's lottery odds.

[19:36] <MK> None of you have names.

[19:36] <+Varanu> I appreciate you telling me this, MK.

[19:37] <+RottenDeadite> So true.

[19:37] <NordJitsu> [url="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Skyrim-Elder-Scrolls-Mod-Velicky-Falskaar,23602.html"]http://www.tomshardw...kaar,23602.html[/url]

[19:37] <NordJitsu> Get that guy

[19:37] <MK> And I would be wary of Kick when you're funding a mod from the CK.

[19:37] * OPG is now known as Wahhabi_Wasabi

[19:37] <NordJitsu> He's desperate

[19:37] <NordJitsu> And works for free

[19:37] <MK> That guy will take it over.

[19:37] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and I doubt he's still unemployed.

[19:37] <MK> He didn't get hired by Beth.

[19:37] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> I can never remember if Falskaar is the bad onr or if it's the...other hugely solo one.

[19:38] <+Varanu> That hasn't been how she and I have operated before, but it might be how we have to operate in the future

[19:38] <MK> Either way, do you think he's so untapped for ideas that he doesn't have something of his own to do?

[19:38] <+RottenDeadite> Heh

[19:38] <MK> Honestly.

[19:38] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> Onr of them is bad. Hazy memory.

[19:38] <NordJitsu> Nah

[19:38] <NordJitsu> But I think Masser is a cool mod

[19:38] <MK> Right

[19:38] <NordJitsu> And people might be able to get excited about it

[19:38] <MK> I know this

[19:38] <MK> Right, they might.

[19:38] <MK> Might doesn't pay rent.

[19:38] <+SemblioSanctii> Hype doesn't build assets.

[19:38] <MK> bam

[19:38] <MK> yes

[19:39] <NordJitsu> Especially people like the Moonpath folks who are into more obscure lore

[19:39] <MK> Thanks, SS

[19:39] <MK> Who here is a working professional in video games?

[19:39] <MK> (brb - gotta piss like a race horse)

[19:40] <+Varanu> (have fuuuuun~)

[19:40] <+RottenDeadite> Kudakeru used to work for Tabula Rasa iirc

[19:40] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> May you piss on warm sands.

[19:40] <Mojo> I made a book in the CK once

[19:40] <+RottenDeadite> hehe

[19:40] * Mojo poker face

[19:41] <+Varanu> kuda's not really a central person to this, though. afaik.

[19:41] <+Varanu> lol, Mojo

[19:41] <+SemblioSanctii> Eh, remind me, rotten, has kuda ever shown any interest in involvement besides occasionally participating in bouncing ideas around?

[19:41] <+RottenDeadite> Nah he ain't.  On purpose; his life is hella complex atm.

[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> I've made models before. I know how the asset pipeline works, but am better at scripting

[19:42] <+RottenDeadite> I've asked.  He just doesn't have the time.  And also I don't think he did asset creation.  I swear I think he was either a writer or a coder.

[19:42] <!Dovahkiin> Really, really crappy models.

[19:42] <!Dovahkiin> Made a small game in Unity with a team of guys once. 'Twas fun.

[19:42] <Mojo> MK brought up a good point about Kickstarter and using the CK

[19:42] <+Varanu> "I guess this looks like a sword"

[19:42] <Mojo> Is that something that can be done, legally? I feel as if Bethesda might have stake in it at that point. Royalties and such

[19:42] <NordJitsu> What was that Mojo?

[19:43] <NordJitsu> Oh...I see

[19:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Still my question, mojo.

[19:43] <NordJitsu> Copyright shit

[19:43] <Mojo> I'm not 100% sure how that IP stuff goes

[19:43] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> I'm largely useless. At the very least, I have a good idea of what the CK is capable of, even if I can't use it personally.

[19:43] <NordJitsu> I know a good contract lawyer

[19:43] <+RottenDeadite> It's possible, Mojo, but you've got to be careful.

[19:43] <NordJitsu> Could ask his opinion

[19:43] <MK> back

[19:43] <+SemblioSanctii> People are also, in general, deathly allergic to any kickstarter that looks remotely shady.

[19:43] <MK> someone sum up for me

[19:43] <+RottenDeadite> Take a look at the I think it's called "ohnovahkiin" mod.

[19:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Or unable to fulfill.

[19:44] <Mojo> I feel as if there would be some bit of infringement taking place

[19:44] <+RottenDeadite> Basically Kickstarter contributors get nothing extra.  Except maybe a mention in the mod's credits.

[19:44] <MK> (It's not legal, no)

[19:44] <!Dovahkiin> Jesus, why haven't I shared this. It's been sitting in my Dropbox for over a year and a half. Maybe some point tonight.

[19:44] <+RottenDeadite> Basically you're using kickstarter for charity.

[19:44] <NordJitsu> How about just asking for donations?

[19:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Basically, our average gamemaking experience could dance on the head of a pin.

[19:44] <NordJitsu> On reddit, YouTube channel, ect

[19:44] <MK> Beth owns the CK and anything made from it. You simply cannot fund it.

[19:44] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah NJ that's probably what we'll ACTUALLY do.  On whatever website we can get.

[19:44] <MK> not via Kick

[19:44] <Mojo> I would imagine a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo papers would have to be in order for any kind of "donation" system to work.

[19:44] <+Varanu> good to know

[19:45] <MK> please study the rules and not the dreams

[19:45] <Mojo> Transfers through Bermuda, then Cayman Islands... essentially... not worth the hassle

[19:45] <+Varanu> Semblio, that's entirely unfair

[19:45] <+SemblioSanctii> Average.

[19:45] <+SemblioSanctii> Not sum total.

[19:45] <MK> Now...

[19:45] <+Varanu> ok

[19:45] <+RottenDeadite> I've got two lawyers for brothers, MK, I'm confident we won't do anything that'll get our asses sued clean off.

[19:45] <MK> Naw, it's cool, I checked too :)

[19:46] <MK> I wanted to Kick it. A moon mod. Can't.

[19:46] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah.

[19:46] <MK> Now...

[19:46] <MK> ...you guys really, really want to make this thing.

[19:46] * Wahhabi_Wasabi nods.

[19:46] <Mojo> Seems to be the consensus

[19:46] <+Varanu> I still think it would be kinda neat if it wasn't a CK mod :P

[19:47] <MK> Want a plan?

[19:47] * Varanu fires up her text adventure skillz

[19:47] <!Dovahkiin> It's absolutely the consensus

[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> Go on...

[19:47] <MK> Build capital. Find some way.

[19:47] <NordJitsu> You tube channel

[19:47] <Mojo> Youtube money

[19:47] <NordJitsu> Produce some thing

[19:47] <MK> Money is king. Other capital exists. But money is king.

[19:48] <NordJitsu> Lore videos

[19:48] <NordJitsu> And ask for donations

[19:48] <MK> No, dude.

[19:48] <NordJitsu> ShoddyCast makes shitty videos

[19:48] <NordJitsu> And they're making money

[19:48] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> Youtube money is shit

[19:48] <Mojo> ..... what

[19:48] <MK> Neat.

[19:48] <MK> sigh

[19:48] <MK> Step two

[19:48] <NordJitsu> We could do better than ShoddyCast

[19:48] <MK> Dude, your time should be spent ON THE MOD

[19:48] <+SemblioSanctii> (I don't see how pumping out Youtube content is going to help produce

[19:48] <+SemblioSanctii> what MK said

[19:48] <MK> Please listen

[19:49] <MK> Step two

[19:49] <MK> Who here has a rig good enough to make shit on the CK?

[19:49] <MK> Assuming most.

[19:49] * Dovahkiin nods

[19:49] <+SemblioSanctii> Yeah.

[19:49] <+Varanu> I think that's a safe assumption, yeah

[19:49] * Mojo nods but is useless

[19:49] * RottenDeadite raises his hand.

[19:49] <MK> All right, then, as writers: stop writing.

[19:50] <+Varanu> you are beautiful and delightful, Mojo, do not feel self-conscious

[19:50] <MK> Start planning an asset list. And then become scripters or modelers.

[19:50] <+RottenDeadite> Ah good I'm glad I already started on scripting :D

[19:50] <MK> That part will be hard.

[19:50] <!Dovahkiin> (And this is where we bring in the git repo)

[19:50] <MK> But as you're learning it

[19:50] <MK> Yes, git

[19:50] <MK> Good man

[19:50] <!Dovahkiin> \o/

[19:51] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, we've got a redmine/git combo I'm domating

[19:51] <MK> As you're learning the skill to make it, you're building capital in Step One

[19:51] <!Dovahkiin> donating*

[19:51] <MK> Step Three

[19:51] <MK> Fucking get some money

[19:51] <+RottenDeadite> Ahhhhh I see.

[19:52] <MK> Step Four

[19:52] <+Varanu> I thought that was Step One O_o

[19:52] <+RottenDeadite> Training in the CK now is capital to spend later.  Makes sense.

[19:52] <+Varanu> ohhh ok

[19:52] <MK> Make it a business. (It was Step One, V, I was just hammering it in :) )

[19:52] <MK> Not a hobby.

[19:52] <MK> A business.

[19:53] <MK> The hobby part, like the writing, is already there.

[19:53] <MK> Don't sit on what you already own.

[19:53] <MK> Acquire

[19:53] <MK> First bit of capital. Hmm. I know.

[19:54] <MK> Pick the best of what you guys think encapsulates IN ONE IMAGE the project.

[19:54] <+RottenDeadite> Ah.  Yes.  Of course.

[19:54] <MK> Then commission that fuck.

[19:54] <MK> Pay money. Own it.

[19:54] <+Varanu> I think it's amateur's night at the strip club down the road oh that's a much better idea

[19:55] <+RottenDeadite> lol

[19:55] <MK> I swear, after that, after one Real Image

[19:55] * Wahhabi_Wasabi coughs.

[19:55] <MK> There will be a second wind

[19:55] <MK> "Holy shit, we can see it."

[19:55] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> Mane-Moon aflame falling upon Llesweriit Senchal.

[19:55] <MK> I don't care what the image is nor should you wank on it tonight.

[19:56] <MK> I'm trying to help.

[19:56] <+SemblioSanctii> (OPG, it's a lovely image but we're not even showcasing that)

[19:56] * RottenDeadite pulls his pants back up.

[19:56] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> :)

[19:56] <+SemblioSanctii> (sorry, continue)

[19:56] <MK> In the meantime, get Confluence or something similar.

[19:56] <MK> Pay for it.

[19:56] <MK> You already paid for the CK. Pay for this.

[19:56] <MK> You're a business now. Act like one.

[19:57] * rhobot (~rhomadon@3d8d9d00.113ade0c.in.comcast.net) Quit ( Ping timeout: 360 seconds )

[19:57] <MK> Pages. Child pages. Links all around. BLUEPRINTS.

[19:57] <MK> Not bullshit.

[19:57] <MK> But an actual design document.

[19:58] <MK> After you detail ONE feature.

[19:58] <MK> Then start the TDD for the whole thing. Concentrate on all the TDD requirements for that feature.

[19:58] <MK> Guess what?

[19:58] <MK> No one will have a fucking clue about how to write that part.

[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> Yup :D

[19:59] <MK> "Silvery, msity glimmerwelts should rise as VFX with blah blah BLORT"

[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> hahaaha

[19:59] <MK> lol

[19:59] <Mojo> heh

[19:59] <MK> You know I'm serious, Chris.

[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I know exactly wtf you're talking about.

[19:59] <!Dovahkiin> Yes. TDD featureset

[19:59] <!Dovahkiin> list features

[19:59] <!Dovahkiin> make features

[20:00] <MK> No, that's the GDD featureset

[20:00] <MK> the tDD?

[20:00] <!Dovahkiin> test features

[20:00] <MK> That's after you fuckers get scripters and engineers

[20:00] <MK> And guess what?

[20:00] <MK> Those fuckers?

[20:00] <MK> They work for free.

[20:00] <MK> (waits for that to sink in)

[20:00] <!Dovahkiin> Hahaha

[20:01] <Mojo> Yusssss

[20:01] <MK> Yeah, they're not doing the LUDUM DARE and shit

[20:01] <!Dovahkiin> I know a guy who did that

[20:01] <MK> Or putting their own fucking games on Kongregate

[20:01] <!Dovahkiin> Ludum Dare is intense

[20:02] <MK> Or using actual tools to make actual mods for an actual game to get an actual job at an actual studio

[20:02] <MK> See? Right now, Masser is a hobby.

[20:02] <MK> It's in no real way a mod.

[20:02] <MK> And I'm sorry again if that hurts.

[20:03] <!Dovahkiin> No, that's true

[20:03] <NordJitsu> I thought modding was a hobby

[20:03] <+RottenDeadite> No, it's just sobering.

[20:03] <Mojo> Again, cutting us into better shapes

[20:03] <NordJitsu> Since it doesn't make money

[20:03] <MK> You think C0DA is going to make any fucking money, Nord?

[20:03] <MK> NOPE

[20:03] <MK> But I'm paying people and they're doing it.

[20:04] <+Wahhabi_Wasabi> Weren't you gonna sell Numinatus?

[20:04] <MK> I get no kickbacks, no royalties, no nothing.

[20:04] <+RottenDeadite> True, but at the same time, modding is a little like what you do for a living.  And have been doing for a living.

[20:04] <NordJitsu> Right

[20:04] <MK> With nothing != I want the shit out of it.

[20:04] <NordJitsu> You're different MK

[20:04] <MK> I know I am, Nord.

[20:05] <MK> Which is why I feel comfortable speaking with more than a semblance of authority about how things get done.

[20:05] <NordJitsu> I'm happy to fuck around and make ideas. In the summer I'd be happy to actually do something real, assuming I could be taught how

[20:05] <NordJitsu> But this isn't my job so much as an extension of gaming

[20:05] <MK> Nord, do you have the CK?

[20:05] <NordJitsu> Nope

[20:05] <MK> Okay, then.

[20:05] <MK> nm

[20:06] <MK> Wait

[20:06] <MK> Do you like the Masser project?

[20:06] <NordJitsu> I only just built a PC powerful enough to really load a ton of mods and such

[20:06] <!Dovahkiin> Get the CK running and mess around with it

[20:06] <+Varanu> lol, Nord

[20:06] <MK> See where I'm going?

[20:06] <!Dovahkiin> it's actually pretty straightforward

[20:06] * Varanu has exactly one mod installed

[20:06] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah some things in the CK are actually surprisingly simple.

[20:06] <MK> @Dova, kinda

[20:07] <!Dovahkiin> Well, ok. Starting with it is fairly straightfoward.

[20:07] <!Dovahkiin> forward*

[20:07] <MK> But I've got a certain someone that knows a certain amount of shit about how to build TES games telling me, "Nope, can't do that. Sorry."

[20:07] <MK> lol

[20:08] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah. ENB and SKSE are the exception, but only because they inject native code

[20:08] <MK> Seriously, Nord, do you like the Masser project?

[20:08] <NordJitsu> Where are you going with this?

[20:08] <NordJitsu> I like the idea of a it a lot

[20:09] <NordJitsu> Does that answer the question?

[20:09] <MK> Ten bucks' worth?

[20:10] <NordJitsu> Sure

[20:10] <MK> Boom, a Confluence seat.

[20:10] <MK> Hey, guys, you're building capital.

[20:10] <!Dovahkiin> Already got that taken care of. We've gotten people set up on Redmine, which is pretty similar

[20:11] <NordJitsu> About what I spend at lunch at Chipotle

[20:11] <!Dovahkiin> We have to USE it.

[20:11] <MK> Morgan, email me a link me to it. I think I know the name.

[20:11] <+Varanu> I feel like I keep saying that, Dovah :(

[20:12] <MK> V, that's the business aspect.

[20:12] <MK> Here's the worst part

[20:12] <MK> None of you will make money on this. In fact...

[20:12] <MK> ...you will lose money on it.

[20:12] <MK> "lose"

[20:12] <NordJitsu> Not a big deal

[20:12] <+Varanu> Not surprised.

[20:12] <Mojo> That's a given I think

[20:12] <+RottenDeadite> I'm good with that.

[20:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Yup.

[20:13] <!Dovahkiin> Gamemaking is hard, cutthroat, and timeconsuming

[20:13] <NordJitsu> Since I personally consider it a "hobby" and I'm willing to pay for some fun and diversion

[20:13] <MK> But you'll 1) make it. 2) be able to use the fact that it exists to do other things.

[20:13] <Mojo> Hell, I'm not even part of the core team and I'm willing to contribute financially

[20:13] <MK> Okay, Nord, what we call you?

[20:13] <NordJitsu> huh?

[20:13] <MK> Is a mid-level fan.

[20:13] <MK> A contributor.

[20:13] <MK> You guys need those.

[20:13] <NordJitsu> gotcha

[20:13] <!Dovahkiin> RottenDeadite: I feel like we really need to start using the gitserver.

[20:13] <+RottenDeadite> Actually I fully expect to never build another game or mod after this.

[20:14] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah Dovh we do.

[20:14] <!Dovahkiin> Like, *really*

[20:14] <!Dovahkiin> I have a repo up

[20:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Dovah: Agree. if we can later talk about getting off gdocs that would be great.

[20:14] <!Dovahkiin> And it's been up for... like... months

[20:14] <MK> I'm telling you

[20:14] <+RottenDeadite> I'll talk to you about it tomorrow Dovah.

[20:14] <!Dovahkiin> git@git.stratosphe.re:masser/masser.git :P

[20:14] <MK> and probably beating a dead horse now

[20:14] <+Varanu> I feel like we made the decision to stick to gdocs for now for a reason, but I have no idea what that reason was because I didn't write it down :/

[20:14] <MK> but once you guys start getting and spending money?

[20:14] <+Varanu> Something about real-time editing

[20:15] <MK> It will become different.

[20:15] <MK> It will become an investment.

[20:15] <+Varanu> Not that that happens so often in here anyway, so....

[20:15] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm...

[20:15] <MK> You won't be able to wait for months.

[20:15] <+Toesock> Gotta reboot

[20:15] * Toesock (~IceChat77@25b55acd.18d12617.home3.cgocable.net) Quit ( Quit: Few women admit their age.  Few men act theirs. )

[20:15] <+Varanu> what, you mean we might have, like, /deadlines/ or something?

[20:15] <+SemblioSanctii> I can see that. Investing "spare" time @ the rate of free has a different feel and all.

[20:15] * Varanu loves deadlines

[20:16] <MK> right

[20:16] <MK> both of you

[20:16] <+RottenDeadite> I'm not sure I want anything to do with the gaming industry professionally, though.

[20:16] <MK> you all already know this

[20:16] <MK> Chris, does that matter?

[20:16] <+RottenDeadite> Well, it's hard to see Masser as an investment otherwise.

[20:16] <MK> You want to jump around on the moon, right?

[20:16] <+RottenDeadite> Oh well beyond that :D

[20:16] <MK> Aha

[20:16] <+SemblioSanctii> Doesn't mean we can't ape what actually works, yes? I mean... even nonprofits that never expect to turn over a dime and like

[20:16] <NordJitsu> My sole motivation

[20:16] <+Varanu> It's not like an investment into your /career/ Rotten

[20:16] <+SemblioSanctii> distribute toys to kids at xmas time

[20:16] <MK> here we come to another thing

[20:16] <MK> wait

[20:16] <+SemblioSanctii> run themselves like a business.

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[20:17] <MK> V has it right

[20:17] <+RottenDeadite> Aahhh okay I see.

[20:17] <MK> Once it becomes a business?

[20:17] <MK> You look out for one another.

[20:17] <MK> You become a team.

[20:17] <Alandauron> so this is where the cool kids hang out?

[20:17] <MK> I don't think any of you are jackasses.

[20:17] <+Varanu> it is! we are the coolest and now you are one of us

[20:17] <MK> (That's a lie)

[20:17] * Varanu hangs a lei on Alandauron

[20:17] <+RottenDeadite> hahahaha

[20:17] <Mojo> heh

[20:17] <+SemblioSanctii> Hi Alanddauron.

[20:18] <MK> But I know if anyone of you were to, say, skip a deadline when money was on the line, you'd kick yourself for it.

[20:18] <Alandauron> an honor MK, I follow your work, not as closely as some others I won't name *cough*NordJitsu*cough*

[20:18] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.

[20:18] <+Varanu> I did that once. or, uh, twice

[20:18] <MK> Hello, random person.

[20:18] <NordJitsu> lol

[20:18] * Varanu really should have applied for the EPA-STAR fellowship last year >_<

[20:18] <MK> I love you, too.

[20:18] <+RottenDeadite> Oooh that's rough, V.  :(

[20:19] <Alandauron> lol, sorry just wanted to stop by and see what was going on

[20:19] * Wahhabi_Wasabi is now known as OPG

[20:19] <Alandauron> Nord has gotten me in here once before but I have a pretty busy life

[20:19] <+Varanu> I was really busy at work and now I'm like, "what, you couldn't have squeezed out an extra ten hours somewhere?"

[20:19] <NordJitsu> We're talking about a Masser Mod al

[20:19] <MK> Step motherfucking Five

[20:19] <NordJitsu> You can read about it in the docs at the top

[20:20] <+Varanu> Oh wow more steps?

[20:20] * Mojo get's pen ready

[20:20] <MK> You want to do this right, right?

[20:20] <+Varanu> I thought we were done, how many are there?

[20:20] <+SemblioSanctii> Of course.

[20:20] <MK> (Too many)

[20:20] <+OPG> 36

[20:20] <+Varanu> lol

[20:20] <MK> Set a hard date.

[20:20] <+Varanu> YES

[20:20] * Varanu is the happiest

[20:20] <MK> First for the product as a whole

[20:20] <Alandauron> two hundred and fifty three

[20:21] <+RottenDeadite> Which of these steps is the Hurling Disk?

[20:21] * SemblioSanctii rolls eyes

[20:21] <MK> It will be difficult to do, because none of you know how this works, really.

[20:21] * Dovahkiin sighs

[20:21] <MK> third sigh

[20:21] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and what happens when we break that date?

[20:21] <MK> That's not the only date, dummy.

[20:21] <+Varanu> there are milestone dates in between now and then

[20:21] <MK> ding

[20:22] * Varanu has done big projects before

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> yup

[20:22] <MK> Agile the fuck out of this

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> Aww yes, agile

[20:22] <+Varanu> agile?

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> I've done that before. Once.

[20:22] <MK> But don't get ahead of yourselves

[20:22] <+Varanu> oh, it's a software

[20:22] <+Varanu> thing

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> no, agile is a development strategy

[20:22] <+SemblioSanctii> (Only familiar with agile dev concepts via talks by CCP Devs)

[20:22] <MK> Step Five, Part One (no, not really, V)

[20:23] <+SemblioSanctii> (Never done anything that way myself)

[20:23] <MK> STOP FUCKING WRITING ABOUT THE MOON

[20:23] <MK> Step Five, Part Two

[20:23] <MK> Take what you have, break it into tasks, owners, and reviews

[20:23] <MK> Step Five, Part Three

[20:24] <MK> Asset lists, broken down by discipline (design, dev, art)

[20:24] <MK> Step Five, Part Four

[20:25] <MK> Do your research into what amount of man hours all of that will take

[20:25] <MK> Step Five, Part Five

[20:26] <MK> Collate, add wiggle room, make your best-- and since there's money involved-- most RESPONSIBLE estimatation

[20:26] <MK> er, too many t's

[20:26] <MK> Responsibity is key here

[20:26] <MK> Know the project, know the needs, know what and who you have to work with

[20:27] <MK> It might be 2017

[20:27] <MK> In fact, I'd say the first year is doing Steps One and Two

[20:27] <MK> Get capital, learn how to make

[20:28] <MK> After the first six months, buy Concept Piece

[20:28] <MK> Rejoice. Have drugs.

[20:28] <!Dovahkiin> [for reference, here's a SS of the project manager: [url="http://d.pr/eCVU/1jXrjPOc]"]http://d.pr/eCVU/1jXrjPOc][/url]

[20:28] <+Varanu> why did I click on that

[20:28] <+Varanu> I know what it looks like :/

[20:29] <MK> Oh, I thought you meant an actual Project Manager

[20:30] <MK> (Meaning a PM)

[20:30] <+SemblioSanctii> heh

[20:30] <!Dovahkiin> nah, the software

[20:30] <MK> I meant the title

[20:30] <NordJitsu> Yucky. Suppose we need one of those?

[20:31] <MK> Naw. You won't need a PM in the traditonal sense.

[20:31] <MK> You might want to hire an actual producer though.

[20:31] <MK> (PMs are about assessment of financial growth - Moon Mod ain't gonna get or need that)

[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> [Producer manages deadlines, etc]

[20:32] <MK> right

[20:32] <+RottenDeadite> Ah.

[20:32] <!Dovahkiin> [Ensures that the product gets... well... produced]

[20:32] <+RottenDeadite> Hmm...

[20:32] <NordJitsu> Rotten

[20:32] <MK> right. they make people talk to one another.

[20:32] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah.

[20:32] <MK> and facilitate needs, help blockers, etc.

[20:32] <NordJitsu> I was nominating you

[20:32] <!Dovahkiin> [I was a producer/coder on an informal-ish game team once before]

[20:32] <+RottenDeadite> Nah I'm more a dictator than a producer.

[20:32] <+Varanu> I thought Rotten was doing this already O_o

[20:32] <+Varanu> lol

[20:33] <+RottenDeadite> :D

[20:33] <!Dovahkiin> [Nothing like AAA, but producing was very time-consuming by itself]

[20:33] <+Varanu> You're a terrible dictator, y'know

[20:33] <MK> No offense, but I'd be looking at some assets if he was

[20:33] <NordJitsu> ya

[20:33] <+Varanu> you just suggest things and then we all go round in circles blithely ignoring you

[20:33] <+RottenDeadite> I'm bad on purpose.  People screamed at me when I did it.

[20:33] <MK> <drumroll>

[20:33] <NordJitsu> Rotten is more like the chair of a committee

[20:33] <MK> Who here can be honest?

[20:33] <+Varanu> to be fair I'm sort of severely reigning back my bossy tendencies too :P

[20:33] <NordJitsu> Currently

[20:33] <+SemblioSanctii> When's anyone ever screamed at you? 3C notwithstanding.

[20:33] <+SemblioSanctii> Sure.

[20:33] * RottenDeadite raises his hand.

[20:34] * Dovahkiin does too

[20:34] <+OPG> .

[20:34] * Mojo guilty

[20:34] <+Varanu> I try to be, I think

[20:34] <MK> How much money do you want and where would you spend it?

[20:34] <!Dovahkiin> Project management/hosting: $0. Already done.

[20:34] <MK> (pissing on a race track again. when I come back, don't disappoint)

[20:35] <+RottenDeadite> I'd love to spend twenty thousand on world assets.

[20:35] <+OPG> hehe

[20:35] <+RottenDeadite> Masser's terrain is my primary concern.

[20:35] <!Dovahkiin> (I don't know what relative prices are for stuff)

[20:35] <+Varanu> First question: not sure, have to do some research. Second question: art first, and then modeling/animations

[20:35] <+SemblioSanctii> I would think that we would need some time to develop a plan and seriously evaluate what the currently interested/involved people can actually do.

[20:35] <+Varanu> twenty thousand, really?

[20:35] <+SemblioSanctii> And then research it out, come up with a number.

[20:36] <+RottenDeadite> I'm assuming that's a small amount of money in the real world, but a huge amount of money for us.

[20:36] <+Varanu> I mean I think you've done the most research of any of us on this, but that's what I make in a year

[20:36] <+Varanu> and if this is going to take multiple people more than a year...

[20:36] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, V, but I'd want to hire serious damn artists for that.  And I'd be willing to spend almost half our budget on it.

[20:36] <+RottenDeadite> The ideal image in my head is wicked hard to render.

[20:36] <+OPG> Really?

[20:36] <MK> back. I need a summary

[20:37] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah dude I don't even think it's possible.

[20:37] <MK> see?

[20:37] <+OPG> Do you mean /just/ the terrain , or the architecture/clothing/etc of thr present cultures too?

[20:37] <MK> flailing

[20:37] <+Varanu> Well, yes.

[20:38] <NordJitsu> Chill

[20:38] <+RottenDeadite> MK I'd say we could get ourselves a decent mod for about 25 grand.

[20:38] <MK> not one person here mentioned infrustructure

[20:38] <NordJitsu> You asked them a question no one has ever talked about before

[20:38] <MK> let that sink in

[20:38] <MK> Exactly, Nord.

[20:38] <!Dovahkiin> infrastructure, like what?

[20:38] <!Dovahkiin> oh

[20:38] <!Dovahkiin> sry, context was lost for a sec

[20:38] <NordJitsu> Well its a fair question

[20:38] <NordJitsu> But flailing is expected

[20:38] <+RottenDeadite> Explain, Dovah.  Infrastructure for...?

[20:39] <MK> Just look where you went, Chris.

[20:39] <+OPG> The team/project itself.

[20:39] <!Dovahkiin> ^

[20:39] <MK> You went immediately to a vista

[20:39] <+RottenDeadite> Ah yeah art assets.

[20:39] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, vistas don't make games

[20:39] <MK> Not a team

[20:39] <!Dovahkiin> Well

[20:39] <+RottenDeadite> I see.

[20:40] <MK> Git is free

[20:40] <!Dovahkiin> They sort of do, but that isn't the main focus of a game designer

[20:40] <+Varanu> Wait, what exactly bits of infrastructure are we paying for?

[20:40] <MK> The fact that you have a repo? Shit, man.

[20:40] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, we should be using that repo

[20:40] <MK> @V, right

[20:40] <MK> So let me put it another way

[20:40] <MK> (Unless you're all getting sick of this)

[20:41] <MK> (honestly)

[20:41] <+RottenDeadite> Dude don't stop now.

[20:41] <Mojo> I'm absorbing as much as I can don't stop

[20:41] <+Varanu> Because I thought we were doing the organizational things ourselves...?

[20:41] <+RottenDeadite> I was just thinking you should freaking put this shit on a website somewhere.

[20:41] <+OPG> Dude, I'd have vanished again hours ago if not for this conversation.

[20:41] <MK> I can fund $500 to the team on November 15th if I have an honest proposal.

[20:41] <MK> Tell me what that would be.

[20:42] <Mojo> Deadline given

[20:42] <MK> Nope

[20:42] <Mojo> Incentive recognized

[20:42] <MK> An offer given

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[20:42] <MK> Quit jumping ahead

[20:42] <!Dovahkiin> Piece by piece.

[20:42] <MK> Deadlines are something diffrent.

[20:43] <!Dovahkiin> Gamedev takes methodical work

[20:43] <Mojo> deadline in a looser sense of the word. We aren't contracted or anything

[20:43] <MK> Tell me what anyone that would be on the actual Masser team would do with that money.

[20:43] <MK> Not Nord. He's another contributor.

[20:43] <MK> He's already said he'd buy a Confluence seat.

[20:44] <MK> He doesn't have to.

[20:44] <NordJitsu> I'd be happy to

[20:44] <!Dovahkiin> Hosting is paid for. I'm donating that.

[20:44] <MK> But if I'm going to contribute that money, I want a plan.

[20:44] <MK> And I'm willing...

[20:44] <Mojo> aka a Business Model

[20:44] <MK> ...as long as I'm still where I am...

[20:44] <Mojo> without any end game pay off

[20:45] <MK> ...to keep doing it every two months

[20:45] <!Dovahkiin> (Does everyone have an account on the Redmine instance? Raise your hand if you don't.)

[20:45] <MK> But yes I want a Business Model

[20:45] * Mojo raises hand

[20:45] <!Dovahkiin> Because getting this stuff formalized there is important as shit

[20:45] <MK> Example: We purchase everyone a CK.

[20:45] <!Dovahkiin> Mojo: [url="http://stratosphe.re"]http://stratosphe.re[/url]

[20:46] <+RottenDeadite> Well the CK comes with Skyrim.  The trick is making sure everyone has a rig that can run it.

[20:46] <MK> Example: By everyone, we means these many seats.

[20:46] <+Varanu> Oh, Mojo is team now? :D

[20:46] <+Varanu> yay!

[20:46] <MK> *mean

[20:46] <+OPG> Yeah, CK is frre.

[20:46] <!Dovahkiin> Sure. If you want to edit stuff at any point, make sure you have an account.

[20:46] <MK> Fair enough,

[20:46] <Mojo> Will do

[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> And I'm not sure we should be investing in computers for contributors at this point.  It might be wiser to put that money towards an artist pool, don't you think?

[20:47] <MK> But what else is there? What would you do with that money?

[20:47] <+Varanu> I suppose I should start putting my myriad gdocs in there, Dovah :P

[20:47] <MK> Why?

[20:47] <+Varanu> my millions and millions of gdcos

[20:47] <!Dovahkiin> (I host this service. It's very, very similar to Confluence. I've used it for gamedev before).

[20:47] <+Varanu> *gdocs

[20:47] <!Dovahkiin> Well, hold up V

[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> Because MK I'm not sure how many people are willing to stick it out in this project for the duration.

[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> You know?

[20:47] <+Varanu> ...jeez, Rotten, I think that's about the most naked you've ever made that statement.

[20:47] <!Dovahkiin> If something's already written, we can rewrite when we have time to rewrite

[20:47] <MK> Part of the reason you don't know why is why I'm talking

[20:48] <+OPG> I'm willing.

[20:48] <MK> People will stay if they get paid

[20:48] <MK> No, OPG, you won't

[20:48] <MK> You might

[20:48] <MK> But until this is a business, you'll see this as a distraction

[20:49] <Mojo> Dovahkiin okay I joined

[20:49] <!Dovahkiin> Mojo: cool. I'll add ya

[20:49] <+Varanu> heh. I become unemployed in two months.

[20:49] <Mojo> name is mojonation1487

[20:49] <+Varanu> Finding a job: definitely higher priority than Masser.

[20:49] <NordJitsu> :(

[20:49] <MK> Example 2: X many people will train Y many hours for Z many weeks. By Q1 2014, we will make ____ deliverables to prove it.

[20:50] <NordJitsu> Add to what now?

[20:50] <!Dovahkiin> Masser project tracker on stratosphe.re

[20:50] <+Varanu> Nord, don't make sadfaces, I'm just graduating

[20:50] <NordJitsu> Oh I see

[20:50] <NordJitsu> Then yay!

[20:51] <!Dovahkiin> Plan and deliverables. Yeah, that's how it's done.

[20:51] <MK> I won't do this if I don't believe in the project.

[20:51] <+SemblioSanctii> That's entirely fair.

[20:51] <MK> And I don't believe in it right now.

[20:51] <+Varanu> That's fair too :P

[20:51] <MK> I'm also not rich.

[20:52] <MK> And, fuck, I'm making shit of my own.

[20:52] <NordJitsu> So you want a list of people, what they're doing, how much time/money they'll contribute

[20:52] <+RottenDeadite> Frankly I think this stuff right here is more valuable than money at the moment.

[20:52] <NordJitsu> A date for a first goal

[20:52] <NordJitsu> Ect.

[20:52] <MK> But I'm not fucking around.

[20:52] <!Dovahkiin> No, we know you're not

[20:52] <!Dovahkiin> What you're saying makes sense, and is valuable

[20:53] <+Varanu> lol, MK, you were all apologizing for being a downer before and now I think it's ended up some kind of weird pep talk

[20:53] <Mojo> Agreed on all counts

[20:53] <MK> Don't get me wrong, people.

[20:53] <Mojo> CUTTING US INTO BETTER SHAPES DAMMIT.

[20:53] <MK> This is MONEY

[20:53] <MK> My money

[20:54] <MK> I can do it. And November 15th is a date that I could do it.

[20:54] <MK> But fuck all ya'll if there's not a real reason to spend it.

[20:55] <+Varanu> fuckin' hell man, I think it was going to be our money too, those of us that have it

[20:55] <+SemblioSanctii> Right. Onus is on us to get our shit together.

[20:55] <!Dovahkiin> What SemblioSanctii said

[20:55] <MK> It will be

[20:55] <MK> V, whatever you contribute, money-wise?

[20:55] <MK> Make sure, if this is a business, to lay down expectations. That's what I'm saying.

[20:56] <Alandauron> well you need to take this talk to modding forums guys, not gonna go anywhere without the modders

[20:56] <+Varanu> All right, that's fair.

[20:56] <MK> It absolutely must move from hobby to business.

[20:56] <+Varanu> Rotten was doing that before, I think, but since we don't have anything yet it's been fairly tentative.

[20:56] <Alandauron> I know there are several sites where modders are looking for ideas, this is a good one some might want to get behind

[20:56] <MK> If even it has to go through ghetto VC first.

[20:56] <+RottenDeadite> vc = Venture Capital btw

[20:56] <+Varanu> That's why I've been wanting to get the new summary document finished, so that people who are interested have a nice little thing they can read to get the gist of it.

[20:57] <+SemblioSanctii> Alandauron, recruitment is... well, I think the point is we need to have a solid core and plan before we start trying to get people in and/or paying out.

[20:57] <+SemblioSanctii> Paying out for comissions, I mean.

[20:57] <MK> V, I want to say something to that

[20:57] <+Varanu> Sure, go ahead.

[20:57] <MK> And no offense again

[20:57] <MK> Ain't nobody wanna read all that shit

[20:57] <+Varanu> The new one is only ten pages :(

[20:57] <MK> that's 9 too many

[20:57] <+Varanu> Or, well, it's going to be.

[20:57] <+Varanu> heh

[20:57] <+RottenDeadite> Yeesh

[20:57] <Alandauron> true story

[20:58] <+Varanu> all right, that's fair

[20:58] <MK> Seriously

[20:58] <!Dovahkiin> Abstract should be one page

[20:58] <!Dovahkiin> We should deliver an abstract

[20:58] <+RottenDeadite> There's that one treatment I wrote a while back...

[20:58] <MK> I write one-sheets every week

[20:58] <+RottenDeadite> Probably not what you're talking about.

[20:58] <+Varanu> It's a little out of date, Rotten

[20:58] <+RottenDeadite> Oh yeah that too.

[20:58] <Alandauron> you can link the long explanation for those that like reading but you need something 1 page

[20:58] <MK> Wait, listen

[20:58] <+Varanu> I was using it as a base to write the new abstract/intro bit of the summary doc

[20:58] <MK> I work for a multinational

[20:59] <MK> With all that entails

[20:59] <MK> Mainly it entails

[20:59] <MK> A buncha fuckheads with no attention span

[20:59] <+Varanu> oh oh oh I know what this is.

[20:59] <+Varanu> This is like when I get stuck in an elevator with some big shot scientist guy

[20:59] <MK> You all know what an elevator pitch is

[20:59] * Mojo relates

[20:59] <MK> ding

[20:59] <MK> THAT is the one-sheet

[20:59] <+Varanu> yay!

[21:00] <+Varanu> Oh man. I am aces at that.

[21:00] <MK> You need art for that.

[21:00] <MK> Sublesson Zero

[21:00] <MK> NO ONE READS SHIT

[21:00] <MK> Oh, wait, here's a really fucking valuable lesson

[21:01] <Alandauron> a picture would get the point across better, but who is an artist?

[21:01] <MK> for writers and pitchers

[21:01] <+SemblioSanctii> We have a couple pieces, but I'm not sure as to their utility for a one-sheet.

[21:01] <MK> but you have to wait for me to piss again. take the time to wonder wonder $500 could do.

[21:01] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe THAT'S what we spend MK's capital on?

[21:01] <+Varanu> Lemme yell at Mina a bit.

[21:01] <NordJitsu> Pitch: Go to the fucking moon, with Dragons

[21:01] <Alandauron> he won't give it unless you have a plan and modders, you can't get modders and a plan without the one sheet

[21:01] <+OPG> Pretty much.

[21:02] <+RottenDeadite> Moon.  Dragons.  RD's crazy fucking metaphysics shit.

[21:02] <+Varanu> I would leave out the RD's crazy metaphysics shit tbh :P

[21:02] <Alandauron> if you're serious about it go to forums and ask different artists if they'll help

[21:02] <+RottenDeadite> hehe :D

[21:02] <+OPG> Lost lunar colonies, lotsa voidship shit.

[21:02] <+Varanu> you are awesome but not as awesome as the moon with dragons

[21:02] <+SemblioSanctii> That's fair alandauron but

[21:02] <+SemblioSanctii> hm

[21:02] <NordJitsu> I wouldn't mention void ships either

[21:02] <+RottenDeadite> I meant it as a disadvantage V :D

[21:02] <+Varanu> lol

[21:03] <+Varanu> it's not a disadvantage, no matter how down I am on the metaphysics

[21:03] <NordJitsu> Talk like Todd Howard does pre-launch

[21:03] <+RottenDeadite> You see that crater?

[21:03] <+Varanu> lol

[21:03] <+OPG> It's lime Hell in the sky with demons :P

[21:03] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, that's right.

[21:03] <Alandauron> [url="http://teso-rp.com/forum"]http://teso-rp.com/forum[/url] here's a site with some decent artists, a starting point at least

[21:04] <+SemblioSanctii> Surely a hypothetical set of commissions would allow slightly more control over art direction (even for flashy gee-whiz attention grabbers) than asking a bunch of people, well-intentioned as they might end up, for assistance.

[21:04] <+SemblioSanctii> Plus, you know, earlier discussion about motivation and when the hell it might show up.

[21:04] <MK> back. need a summary

[21:05] <Alandauron> yea, paying someone will motivate them to get it done faster but not neccessarily better

[21:05] <NordJitsu> I said talk like Todd Howard

[21:05] <MK> (also, how do I fucking turn this ARGBOT flashing shit off?)

[21:05] * ARGBot was kicked by Dovahkiin (~Talos@ratcast.sr.mun) Reason (Dovahkiin)

[21:05] <!Dovahkiin> there

[21:05] <+SemblioSanctii> Perhaps, maybe, reach out to owls? She did the breather concepts but I'm not sure if she has the time or wants involvement.

[21:05] <+Varanu> Actually, you guys? I think Mina'd do it even now, with her social crisis and all, zero money down, if someone offered to help her with her website.

[21:05] <!Dovahkiin> sry, it thinks @blah is a command

[21:05] <MK> Still doing it

[21:06] <+SemblioSanctii> And she's, like Mina, if anything was going to happen, at least aware of our general purpose insofar as we currently have one.

[21:06] <MK> everyone: shh until I get a real summary

[21:06] <+Varanu> because her website is /shit/ and she knows it

[21:06] <+RottenDeadite> Summary is we'd blow your money on a commmission for artwork on our onesheet.

[21:07] <Alandauron> shh MK we're trying to develop the idea so we can present it to you

[21:07] <MK> That's a good step. (Use other channels for that, Ala)

[21:07] <+Varanu> lol

[21:07] <Alandauron> lol

[21:07] <+Varanu> we do /have/ a #masser channel

[21:07] <MK> Don't wank on this channel

[21:07] <+SemblioSanctii> (speaking of other channels, after tonight we should really use #masser for this stuff and keep informal shooting the shit in here)

[21:07] <+SemblioSanctii> (jinx)

[21:07] <MK> Here's the rule I was about to say

[21:07] <+Varanu> (<3 Semblio)

[21:08] <MK> And I'll give you guys a template for the one-sheet (or not)

[21:08] <+RottenDeadite> plz

[21:08] <Mojo> ^

[21:08] <MK> Think of your biggest ideas

[21:09] <MK> Then think of a way to say them

[21:09] <MK> BUT

[21:09] <MK> onyl use 140 characters or less

[21:09] <MK> Why? Anyone?

[21:09] <+Varanu> Because Twitter, obviously.

[21:09] <+SemblioSanctii> Short, sweet, to the point, forces you to think about what your ideas really are.

[21:09] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  Because that way our ideas get reduced down to the barest bones.

[21:09] <MK> Sure, V, but why?

[21:09] <Mojo> People lose interest quickly

[21:09] <Mojo> Simple marketing

[21:09] <MK> The punchiest bones.

[21:10] <MK> If you honestly cannot reduce your best ideas into an SMS, they're shit.

[21:10] <+RottenDeadite> "You can climb that crater."

[21:10] <+Varanu> huh, I wonder if I can reduce my research into 140 characters.

[21:10] * Varanu tries it

[21:10] <MK> You're pitching to someone stifling a yawn

[21:11] <NordJitsu> Vikings killing dragons on the moon

[21:11] <MK> For $500 dollars I want more

[21:11] <NordJitsu> Its an easy fucking pitch

[21:11] <MK> (I like I mentioned dollars twice in two symbols/words)

[21:11] <MK> No, Nord, it's not

[21:11] <MK> That's your mistake

[21:11] <+RottenDeadite> Okay not at 23:00 you won't.  Not from me.  Good night, all.  I can't give you what you need in my current level of energy.

[21:11] <MK> That's you still seeing the mod, not the funding

[21:11] <+Varanu> it's like writing a fucking abstract for a real fucking paper

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[21:12] <+SemblioSanctii> night rotten

[21:12] <+Varanu> every single one of those sentences gets rewritten until it says /exactly/ what it needs to

[21:12] <MK> V has it

[21:12] <NordJitsu> Okay, funding pitch?

[21:12] <+Varanu> lemme think a bit

[21:12] <MK> What defines exactly, V?

[21:13] <MK> Remember: it's a pitch.

[21:13] <+Varanu> Hm.

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[21:13] <+Varanu> I want to say audience.

[21:13] <+Varanu> exactly what you need to convey depends on who you're talking to

[21:14] <+Varanu> but I don't think that's quite what you're asking

[21:14] <MK> You want more money

[21:14] <MK> You want to show that the investors' money is well spent

[21:14] <MK> And

[21:14] <+Varanu> ohhhh. /purpose/, not audience.

[21:14] <MK> more

[21:14] <MK> That you keep the money rolling in

[21:14] <MK> You want to CONVINCE

[21:15] <NordJitsu> "Get involved with the most ambitious and innovative Skyrim mod to date: The Masser Project."

[21:15] <MK> pfft

[21:15] <Mojo> It's comparable to a sales pitch. You want to sell them on the project and make sure there's a damn light at the end of the tunnel

[21:15] <+Varanu> Heh. I can do that too. That's the bit where I spend a year working and then tell the NSF what I've been doing for a year so they don't cut my stipend.

[21:15] <MK> That tells me nothing

[21:15] <+SemblioSanctii> That's a lot of fluff.

[21:15] <+SemblioSanctii> NJ.

[21:15] <MK> Right, SS

[21:15] <NordJitsu> Okay

[21:15] <NordJitsu> Tired and leaveing

[21:16] <+Varanu> seeya, Nord

[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> Ambitious and innovative HOW? What makes it different than mods xyz? Why should they care about us over that?

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[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> all right

[21:16] <MK> seeya

[21:16] <+Varanu> I'm still putting my research into 140 to get the hang of it, btw

[21:16] <+Varanu> then I'll try MP

[21:16] <MK> SS, right now?

[21:16] <MK> "They" is me.

[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> Right

[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> was prodding nord

[21:16] <MK> Concentrate on that.

[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> in a general sense.

[21:16] <+SemblioSanctii> Fair enough.

[21:16] <+OPG> Real purposes are things like popularizing voidship-vein lore and other branches of obscure lore as secondaries.

[21:16] <MK> Let it sink in.

[21:17] <MK> Some VC is willing to fund the beginnings of a project,

[21:17] <MK> but his conditions are one thing

[21:17] <MK> and his agenda might be another

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[21:18] <MK> and that dickhead keeps changing his mind

[21:18] <MK> That's what it's like.

[21:18] <MK> You have to keep him around.

[21:19] <+SemblioSanctii> all right

[21:19] <MK> Knowing all of the above, it's in the best interest of your business to placate/ensare/marvel/make happy.

[21:19] <MK> He's going to throw you for a loop. He's gonna make odd requests. Conflicting ones.

[21:20] <MK> He's gonna forget some things he's asked for.

[21:20] <Mojo> make new ones up on the spot that he "asked for" a month ago...

[21:20] <MK> And whoever your producer is? That's the person between him and you.

[21:20] <MK> Correct, Mojo.

[21:21] <MK> It's a thankless job, really, the producer. Unless he/she is paid.

[21:21] <MK> So again

[21:21] <MK> For $500 what do I get?

[21:22] <MK> Paid in full to the EP of your choice.

[21:22] <MK> (I knew we'd lose people as soon as this became a real thing)

[21:23] <+Varanu> I'm busy writing the 140-character thing :/

[21:23] <MK> Wait for that

[21:23] <!Dovahkiin> I've been reading

[21:23] <MK> V, the one-sheet?

[21:23] <Mojo> A short, to the point sales pitch of the mod, exciting details to suck you in, a nice accompanying piece of Art and a detailed timeline of goals and benchmarks leading up to a tentative gold master release

[21:23] <Mojo> Am I in the ball park?

[21:23] <MK> I'll tell you what I want from it.

[21:23] <+OPG> The beginnings of a spacelore-popularizing project .

[21:23] <+Varanu> yeah, I'm playing with it. Or at least the idea of it

[21:24] <MK> Mojo: Gold Master is jumping the gun again.

[21:24] <Mojo> Fair enough

[21:24] <MK> Wait, let's take another step back.

[21:24] <MK> Look up VC.

[21:24] <MK> Gold Master? That's a goal. But it's also not a guarantee.

[21:25] <MK> I'm ACTUALLY offering $500 every two months to fund this thing.

[21:25] <MK> Gold master? PLEASE. You guys haven't the slightest on how to even do that yet.

[21:26] <MK> As a VC, I already know this.

[21:26] <MK> Otherwise, it wouldn't be a venture.

[21:26] <Mojo> VC "venture capitalists usually get significant control over company decisions, in addition to a significant portion of the company's ownership (and consequently value)."

[21:26] <MK> yup

[21:27] <MK> Now ask yourselves

[21:27] <MK> "Do we still want to do this, knowing that?"

[21:27] <MK> Remove the value part.

[21:27] <MK> No royalties. No money coming back.

[21:28] <MK> "value" in this sense is someone

[21:28] <Mojo> It's a tough question to answer, whore one's IP for money and hope creative control is retained

[21:28] <MK> whore is the worst way to think about this

[21:28] <Mojo> *replace money with capital

[21:29] <MK> that whore thing? kid stuff.

[21:29] <MK> this is business.

[21:29] <MK> think about what's really going on

[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> You know, at this stage, considering how many people we would have to bring in eventually, whose input and direction we would have to respect and deal with and integrate into a team, giving control and input to an "outside" party

[21:29] <MK> you've already managed to find someone that's willing to fund something despite knowing he will never get money for it

[21:30] <MK> is that a whore? no, motherfucker, that's LUCK.

[21:30] <+SemblioSanctii> doesn't really strike me as a bad notion, all things considered.

[21:30] <+SemblioSanctii> (understatement, I know)

[21:30] <MK> That's a BREAK.

[21:30] <+Varanu> you might as well say I'm whoring myself to the NSF to work on my research, Mojo, it's not really the same

[21:30] <Mojo> Well I was speaking in a broad sense

[21:30] <MK> Stop speaking broad

[21:30] <Mojo> apologies

[21:30] <MK> Start speaking 'convince'

[21:31] <MK> Get me?

[21:31] <MK> (must piss again)

[21:31] <Mojo> In this specific instance, where we are more aware of the VC, and hold a certain amount of respect for, it's indeed a lucky break

[21:31] * Varanu is mildly astonished by MK's urinary capacities

[21:32] * Mojo reminds V that Alcohol leads to excessive urine breaks

[21:32] * Varanu only drinks alcohol maybe once a month, she's not that familiar with this effect

[21:33] * Mojo is drunk right now and has pissed 8 times in the past 3 hours

[21:33] * Dovahkiin reads up

[21:34] <+Umpteen> I really wanna sign off with a scathing warning to y'all against all of this but I can't so goodnight

[21:34] * Umpteen (~Thththth@1f06bfc3.2e01205d.159b2242.31478372X) has left #Memospore2 (Leaving)

[21:34] <+Varanu> I love how Umpteen always leaves in a flash.

[21:34] <Mojo> heh

[21:34] <+Varanu> It's like Batman throwing down a smoke bomb and jumping out the window.

[21:34] <+SemblioSanctii> Has qualms, doesn't want to voice them? OK...

[21:34] <+SemblioSanctii> Helpful. :|

[21:34] <Mojo> Not sure what he meant really. If he had a problem, he should have voiced it

[21:35] <+Varanu> Incidentally, I think I got a 140-character of my research together, but it's only useful to scientists :/

[21:35] <Mojo> That's something that is key to this

[21:35] <Mojo> Discussion is clutch

[21:35] <+OPG> I'm fine with it. Most of the sentiment of breaking away from MK's vision that has ever cropped up here was because we don't know what the hell his full vision is.

[21:35] <+SemblioSanctii> Discussion with purpose and momentum and perspective.

[21:35] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah. We should be able to talk about this in 140 chars or less.

[21:36] <!Dovahkiin> Abstracts.

[21:36] <+OPG> If he's present and offering opinions, that's not a problem.

[21:36] <+SemblioSanctii> OK, like: Create a substantial [n hours] experience exploring an infrequently depicted area of the TES universe via a well-crafted Skyrim mod.

[21:36] <+SemblioSanctii> That level of stuff? But less idiotic sounding?

[21:36] <+SemblioSanctii> i.e. specifics

[21:37] <!Dovahkiin> Yes

[21:37] <!Dovahkiin> That's good

[21:37] <!Dovahkiin> Abstracts

[21:37] <+Varanu> Lemme show my research one to you, actually. Or the draft of it.

[21:37] <+SemblioSanctii> k

[21:37] <+Varanu> I use techniques from NMR metabolomics to characterize toxins used by red tide algae to exclude competitors and maintain bloom density.

[21:37] <+Varanu> That's the ecologist version.

[21:37] <+Varanu> I'm contemplating replacing "techniques... metabolomics" with "large-dataset statistical analysis".

[21:38] <+Varanu> Metabolomics is a cool buzzword, but not everyone knows what it is.

[21:38] <+Varanu> and definitely ecologists wouldn't know what NMR is

[21:38] <!Dovahkiin> oh yeah, design doc

[21:39] <!Dovahkiin> here's a design doc that I made for the game I worked on in a summer program

[21:39] <!Dovahkiin> [url="http://d.pr/ghHk/34rD0cjU"]http://d.pr/ghHk/34rD0cjU[/url]

[21:39] <!Dovahkiin> just an example, but it's something

[21:39] <+OPG> blarg, can't use links

[21:39] <!Dovahkiin> basically, it was a 2.5d space shooter

[21:40] <!Dovahkiin> we had different ships and stuff, so we enumerated all of 'em

[21:40] <!Dovahkiin> but -- here's an example of the agile wiki we did - [url="http://d.pr/HA9F/5gOGkt6E"]http://d.pr/HA9F/5gOGkt6E[/url]

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> again, it's *something*

[21:41] <+Varanu> something is better than nothing :P

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> and it uses the same project management system we're using

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> hell

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> if you guys wanted, I could just add you to that project

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> as a viewer

[21:41] <Mojo> Sure

[21:41] <+Varanu> actually, that'd be neat

[21:41] <MK> er, a summary please

[21:41] <+SemblioSanctii> ^

[21:41] <+Varanu> sec, MK

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[21:42] * Arena sets mode +v myrrlyn for #memospore2

[21:42] <+SemblioSanctii> hello myrr

[21:42] <!Dovahkiin> hey myrrlyn; we're talking game design today :P

[21:42] <+myrrlyn> oooh fun

[21:42] <+myrrlyn> i can't help

[21:42] <MK> no, not game design

[21:42] <Mojo> Business Modeling

[21:42] <!Dovahkiin> well, that -- and other things

[21:42] <MK> game development

[21:43] * Dovahkiin slaps self

[21:43] <!Dovahkiin> yeah, big difference there

[21:43] <MK> Also, merlynn, can I get your real name?

[21:43] <+Varanu> We were mostly thinking about a pitch again.

[21:43] <+myrrlyn> Alexander Philip Payne

[21:43] <MK> I have some things to say to you

[21:43] <+myrrlyn> Angola, IN

[21:43] <+myrrlyn> oooooooohhhhhh

[21:43] * myrrlyn squeals

[21:43] <+Varanu> lol

[21:43] <+myrrlyn> are they good things?

[21:43] <MK> maybe?

[21:43] <+Varanu> no, he has come to lay the beatdown upon thee

[21:44] <+OPG> Numidium project talk, I'm guessing?

[21:44] * Varanu is kidding

[21:44] <Mojo> Cut you into better shapes Myrr

[21:44] <MK> Yes

[21:44] <MK> These are really friendly requests

[21:44] <MK> That I don't want broadcast anywhere else

[21:44] <MK> Can you do that for me, Alexander?

[21:45] <+myrrlyn> sure yeah

[21:45] <MK> The Numidium War?

[21:45] <MK> Have fun with that.

[21:45] <+myrrlyn> I'm writing a piece about an alternate timline of Tiber's Numidium conquest

[21:45] <MK> But a few things I might ask to avoid until Q3 2014.

[21:45] <+myrrlyn> and for some reason it never occurred to me until yesterday that Cyrus should be there

[21:45] <MK> lol

[21:46] <MK> ding ding

[21:46] <MK> Avoid Cyrus.

[21:46] <+Varanu> :o

[21:46] <MK> Have your kaiju smackdown however you want it.

[21:46] <MK> But know that it will either be

[21:46] <MK> stomped on

[21:46] <MK> or

[21:47] <MK> built on

[21:47] <MK> but

[21:47] <MK> it won't be any kind of last word

[21:47] <+myrrlyn> well yeah

[21:47] <MK> not in the way you might want it to be

[21:47] <+myrrlyn> it's just a side story of a timeline we never see

[21:47] <MK> but I really, really would avoid Cyrus

[21:48] <MK> because I can't...

[21:48] <+myrrlyn> ooookay. i was going to do a variant of the sword meeting with tiber

[21:48] <MK> ...tell you what he might be

[21:48] <MK> omg

[21:48] <MK> no

[21:48] <MK> Avoid that at all costs

[21:48] <+OPG> What he might be? Hmm.

[21:48] <MK> You really don't want to go into that territory

[21:48] <+myrrlyn> okay

[21:48] <MK> Unless you do

[21:48] * OPG cracks shitty Amaranth joke.

[21:49] <+myrrlyn> it's an alternate timeline that we'll never see...

[21:49] <MK> Remember, it was a request

[21:49] <+Varanu> lol, OPG

[21:49] <MK> I don't think you know what you're actually playing with

[21:49] <+myrrlyn> i don't doubt that

[21:49] <MK> The Numidia? Sure. Have fun.

[21:50] <MK> Cyrus? I really would beware.

[21:50] <+OPG> Myrr, kinda like the place the Jills put all of the purged timline fragments? The insanity x10?

[21:50] <MK> If you can channel Yokuda, feel free. But I doubt that you can.

[21:50] <+myrrlyn> i'm not really sure what i'm doing with the closer right now. i've been stuck for a few weeks.

[21:50] <MK> There is hoodoo there.

[21:50] <MK> Step wisely and stay good.

[21:51] <+myrrlyn> i'll do my best

[21:51] <MK> In more apropos words?

[21:51] <MK> Stay Out of His Way

[21:51] <MK> thx

[21:51] <+myrrlyn> right

[21:51] <MK> Now, where were we?

[21:51] <+OPG> MK, you said you're finishing up everything you left unfinished, right? Any estimate on the finished Tiber's Sword-Meeting?

[21:51] <+myrrlyn> okay, so no cyrus. i'll leave the passing mention of him as a ship captain and call the rest off.

[21:51] <MK> Nope

[21:52] <!Dovahkiin> MK | Start speaking 'convince'

[21:52] <MK> But I know it's mine

[21:52] <MK> Okay

[21:52] <MK> I want a one-sheet

[21:52] <MK> I'll describe tge format in broad strokes

[21:53] <MK> Four images. One on the top. Title up there. Stinger text.

[21:53] <MK> Three other images at the bottom.

[21:54] <MK> Each one shows, step by step, a game loop.

[21:54] <MK> Everyone with me?

[21:54] <MK> (I'll send an example template later)

[21:54] <!Dovahkiin> Yes.

[21:54] <+Varanu> No, actually. Game loop?

[21:54] <Mojo> sounds familiar to a Marketing tip I learned

[21:54] <+Varanu> I might just be tired and therefore stupid

[21:54] <MK> Game loop.

[21:55] * Varanu hits up Google

[21:55] <!Dovahkiin> Game loop is a typical happening in the game. Sort of.

[21:55] <!Dovahkiin> i.e. for Galaga, it's "mash Fire"

[21:55] <MK> What I do. How I do it. Why I do it.

[21:55] <MK> In other words

[21:55] <!Dovahkiin> "Enemy ship comes down from top of screen, swooping down and attacking player every 10 seconds."

[21:56] <MK> no, too long

[21:56] <MK> hold on

[21:56] <Mojo> Game runs with no user input

[21:56] <MK> What I do

[21:56] <MK> "Explore the blah of blah" < - why I want to play this motherfucker in the first place

[21:57] <MK> reinforces the Stinger

[21:57] <MK> How I do it

[21:57] <+OPG> dragons, voidships, whatever route up we end up using

[21:58] <MK> "Learn new blah of blah to do blorty blort" < - what I get if I download and boot

[21:58] <MK> Why I Do IT

[21:59] <MK> "Expand your character in BLAH" <- what I want by the end

[21:59] <MK> Now look at the game loop

[21:59] <MK> it's easy

[21:59] <MK> easy on the elevator

[22:00] <+Varanu> ok, I think I get it :)

[22:00] <+SemblioSanctii> likewise

[22:00] <MK> Immediate Thing Offered, Mechanics to Play, Progression Map

[22:00] <+Varanu> thanks for explaining, that's a useful phrase

[22:01] <MK> each with a picture to look at (what everyone will see), an EXACT verb-blurb that makes me pay more to see it developed

[22:01] <MK> Rely on the art

[22:02] <MK> Punch the fuck out of the 140 characters or less

[22:02] <+SemblioSanctii> Gotcha.

[22:02] <MK> It should be easy to see in your mind now

[22:02] <+Varanu> actually, this is kind of exactly what I remember the back of video game boxes looking like, last time I checked

[22:02] <Mojo> ^

[22:02] <MK> Masser, in four pictures

[22:02] <+Varanu> which was like ten years ago, but still

[22:02] * myrrlyn hasn't looked at the back of a physical game box in FOREVER

[22:02] <+myrrlyn> fucking Steam...

[22:03] <MK> Yep, V, it's a business :)

[22:03] <Mojo> It's a magazine ad essentially. At least that's how I learned this stuff in Graphic Design

[22:03] <+Varanu> I don't know why I keep being surprised by this.

[22:03] <MK> Masser, in short fucking blurbs

[22:03] <Mojo> slightly different, but the concepts are the same

[22:03] <MK> not a gdoc that reads like Genesis

[22:03] <Mojo> haha

[22:03] <!Dovahkiin> lol

[22:04] <!Dovahkiin> very apt

[22:04] <MK> The difference between Masser the hobby and Masser the business is what?

[22:04] <+OPG> Money.

[22:04] <!Dovahkiin> VC, and deadlines.

[22:05] <!Dovahkiin> And money allocations.

[22:05] <!Dovahkiin> And reasonable expectations set.

[22:05] <Mojo> The difference is, a hobby has no motivation. No selling points, thus no demand or incentive. Masser the Business has structure, selling points to draw in a crowd, expectations that create incentive to to follow through

[22:05] <MK> VC, securing a stream of money through that VC, and delivarables that are met.

[22:05] <MK> what he said

[22:06] <!Dovahkiin> Good summary.

[22:07] <MK> Now, have you all got an idea what you'll give me for the money? Because you're about to see the first VC curve ball.

[22:07] <+OPG> And with that, I'm off. Good cut-off point, evrn if there's more. Night, all.

[22:07] <+Varanu> lol OPG

[22:07] <+Varanu> night :)

[22:07] <Mojo> Night OPG

[22:07] <+SemblioSanctii> night

[22:07] <MK> (Must piss again. Will wait)

[22:07] <!Dovahkiin> cya OPG

[22:07] <+myrrlyn> nighty oppergee

[22:07] <+SemblioSanctii> Think I've got the foundation of that, at least.

[22:07] * Varanu cracks her spinal column left and right

[22:07] <+OPG> Waaaiitt

[22:07] <Mojo> I've got the basic idea I believe

[22:07] <+myrrlyn> I don't.

[22:07] <+Varanu> I always end up slouching when I'm at the computer for more than a few hours, it's awful.

[22:08] <+OPG> First VC curveball

[22:08] <+Varanu> I'm short enough without slouching.

[22:08] <+OPG> Damn it I'm staying

[22:08] <+OPG> I shoulda just left before he said that! :P

[22:08] <Mojo> Welcome back OPG

[22:08] <Mojo> heh

[22:09] <+Varanu> Also, is anyone besides me taking notes?

[22:09] <+Varanu> cos I'm taking notes

[22:09] * SemblioSanctii tosses OPG a cup of coffee

[22:09] <+SemblioSanctii> I am.

[22:09] <Mojo> Pastebinning like a motherfucker

[22:09] <+Varanu> oh good :)

[22:09] <!Dovahkiin> No, don't pastebin

[22:09] <+Varanu> pastebin != notes

[22:09] <!Dovahkiin> Also, let's make sure that these logs stay here.

[22:09] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.

[22:09] <+myrrlyn> I'm on my tablet. My logs have a bad habit of being erased.

[22:09] <Mojo> Privacy already set to private

[22:09] <+OPG> Can I get them from you guys tomorrow? Cellphone here.

[22:10] <Mojo> Too drunk to take proper notes right now

[22:10] <+Varanu> Dovah and I have logs later, yeah.

[22:10] <MK> back

[22:10] <MK> Get ready

[22:10] <MK> I want a Business Model of the structure.

[22:10] <MK> What portion of what money will go to what ends. That's up to you guys.

[22:11] <MK> I want a one-sheet that I can take to ANYONE and they see the experience in their heads. That's also on you guys.

[22:11] <MK> Curveball

[22:11] <MK> I want it to be set on Secunda, not Masser.

[22:12] <+Varanu> ....huh.

[22:12] <MK> Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[22:12] <Mojo> sonofabitch

[22:12] <+myrrlyn> wut

[22:12] <+OPG> Llesweriit or Reman era?

[22:12] * myrrlyn coughs awkwardly

[22:12] <MK> OPG, like I give a shit.

[22:12] <+Varanu> Why Secunda?

[22:12] <+OPG> Hah

[22:12] <+OPG> Catdrugland it is

[22:12] <MK> I'm your capital. I want it not on the red moon, but the smaller silver moon.

[22:13] * Varanu reins in her pointless antiauthoritarian tendencies and thinks a bit.

[22:14] <MK> V is smart.

[22:14] <+myrrlyn> sooooo all the stuff we made for masser...

[22:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Well, there's several ways to do that while salvaging what we have, or we could go for very clean slate.

[22:14] <MK> V is now dealing with a VC,

[22:14] <+OPG> I'm not that annoyed, we can still use most of the stuff from Masser as periphery, and tuck away the more specific details for later.

[22:14] <+Varanu> We should probably talk to Rotten and so on before we decide anything, guys.

[22:14] <!Dovahkiin> Well, think. Adapt. Adapt. Adapt.

[22:14] <+Varanu> Like, really.

[22:14] <!Dovahkiin> And, yeah.

[22:14] <MK> You should. I agree.

[22:14] <+OPG> Secunda is more explorable anyway. Although race inclusion will be odd.

[22:14] <MK> You say that now, OPG.

[22:15] <+Varanu> He's not here and he's sort of the lead when I'm not busy trying to usurp his throne.

[22:15] <MK> If he's the lead, he'll get the money. If all the conditions are met

[22:15] <MK> And I get a milestone for review before it gets deposited.

[22:15] <MK> November 1st.

[22:16] <+SemblioSanctii> OK.

[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> Secundary Initiative

[22:16] <+myrrlyn> heh

[22:16] <+Varanu> oh lol

[22:16] <+Varanu> I miss birdface :(

[22:16] <+OPG> ew

[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> Joking, joking.

[22:16] <+Varanu> That was the line he drew me into mammalspur with, you know.

[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> Right.

[22:16] <MK> If I see what a real plan, with my curveball met, your leader will get his money and he will dole it out accordingly.

[22:17] <MK> *no what

[22:17] <MK> *see a real plan

[22:17] <Mojo> We have some work to do

[22:17] <+myrrlyn> so stupid question here

[22:17] <+myrrlyn> is this a test, or are we actually switching over entirely?

[22:17] <+Varanu> Seriously though, why Secunda? Fan-to-fan.

[22:17] <+SemblioSanctii> You never produce stupid ones, myrr.

[22:17] <+OPG> G'night, then. See you guys tomorrow.

[22:18] <+Varanu> night, OPG

[22:18] <!Dovahkiin> Night OPG.

[22:18] <+myrrlyn> nighty nighty oppy gee

[22:18] <+SemblioSanctii> cya OPG

[22:18] <Mojo> nigh OPG

[22:18] <+myrrlyn> dream of pirate elves

[22:18] <+Varanu> I mean. Is this like telling myrr to keep away from Cyrus?

[22:18] <MK> @merlynn, because that's what your funders prefer

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[22:18] <+Varanu> The same sort of "you don't know what you're dealing with" stuff?

[22:18] <MK> V: no

[22:18] <+Varanu> ok

[22:19] <!Dovahkiin> Yes, so: business mode: what can be adapted?

[22:19] * Varanu is actually totally fine with Secunda, she's just curious :P

[22:19] <+SemblioSanctii> Well

[22:19] <!Dovahkiin> I am too.

[22:19] <MK> I actually, and trust me on this, I think this project is better served by being on Secunda

[22:19] <MK> With Masser in the sky

[22:19] <MK> You don't have to believe me yet

[22:19] <+myrrlyn> i wasn't asking why. but i guess this answers it.

[22:19] <+Varanu> I don't, but all right :)

[22:20] <+Varanu> I suppose this means I ought to show you guys my Llesw'er draft sooner rather than later, huh.

[22:20] <+Varanu> Or at least bits of it.

[22:20] <MK> So what would it take?

[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> I think we at least had the right reaction.

[22:20] <MK> Half now on spec?

[22:20] <+SemblioSanctii> it depends. If Reman-era, we can adapt what background we have on Lynnadites, etc. and transfer it. If it's post-Septim era, we can either do a fresh exploration of Lleswyr or, for example, shove the kitties into a corner and adapt what we have for Masser. Or

[22:20] <MK> $250 to get you guys going?

[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> Thinking

[22:20] <MK> Yo

[22:20] <+SemblioSanctii> (sorry, continue)

[22:20] <MK> Wank goes to another channel

[22:21] <+myrrlyn> #secunda

[22:21] <!Dovahkiin> yeah, not now

[22:21] <!Dovahkiin> later

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[22:21] <MK> Really, guys, this is a negotiation

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[22:21] <Mojo> weird

[22:21] <MK> And my money is involved

[22:21] <MK> I like my money

[22:21] <+Varanu> I was about to negotiate in the wrong direction then, because I was going to say, "Let us think about it and answer you tomorrow"

[22:22] <MK> Otherwise they wouldn't call it money

[22:22] <MK> Okay, lesson time

[22:22] <MK> one last lesson

[22:22] <+Varanu> I don't like making quick decisions with money, I don't have enough of it for that :/

[22:22] <+myrrlyn> Yeah same

[22:23] <MK> I will pay. But Secunda is non-negotiable

[22:23] <MK> It's an imperative.

[22:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Understood.

[22:24] <MK> If you guys can't do that, then no foul. But I swear it will be a hobby.

[22:24] <!Dovahkiin> Understood too.

[22:24] <Mojo> noted

[22:24] <+myrrlyn> Got it.

[22:24] <!Dovahkiin> I think that premise is definitely doable

[22:24] <+Varanu> That's fair. I really don't want to give you an answer tonight, though. Not without all of us here.

[22:24] <+Varanu> I don't think Rotten is going to say no, but.

[22:24] <+myrrlyn> He can at least get us started in the right direction.

[22:24] <Mojo> It's best that he was at least aware

[22:24] <MK> You don't have to give me that answer.

[22:24] <!Dovahkiin> No, he's not going to say no. We just have to give you a real distribution of what we need it for.

[22:24] <+myrrlyn> Secunda has more room for mistakes.

[22:25] <MK> You have to say, "For this money, we will do this. Or we look for other backers."

[22:25] <MK> That's all. And you don't really have to quote that shit.

[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> Right...

[22:26] <MK> Seriously, no harm, no foul. But if these condition aren't met, my money goes elsewhere.

[22:26] <+Varanu> That's fair, too.

[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> Completely fair

[22:26] <Mojo> Understood

[22:27] <MK> This isn't some terrorist demand. This is me being a VC. I'm looking for an investment. And I have a hunch that Secunda is better. You don't have to believe that.

[22:27] <+myrrlyn> (I don't, for the record, but I trust you)

[22:28] <MK> I would hazard to say, Alexander, that there's too much "written down Masser" in your head than "I really need Masser to make this work"

[22:28] <MK> Secunda is a clean slate and more.

[22:28] <+myrrlyn> eh, I doubt it. I haven't been in the Masser project much.

[22:29] <MK> No one wants to look up at a SILVER MOON.

[22:29] <MK> They want to look up at a RED MOON and OHAI TAMRIEL.

[22:29] <Mojo> I can relate to that very strongly actually

[22:29] <+myrrlyn> yeah

[22:30] <MK> Anyone in the know will know already what's "on" Masser

[22:30] <MK> The hook of it is:

[22:30] <+myrrlyn> speaking of: the moons fully orbit nirn, right?

[22:30] <MK> What does that mean for Secunda?

[22:30] <Mojo> A moon of possibilities

[22:30] <Mojo> sorry, couldn't resist

[22:30] <MK> @Alexander: shurg

[22:31] <MK> Yes, shurg. New word.

[22:31] <+myrrlyn> because if we're going to look up at Nirn in the sky, we're gonna need maps of the whole globe. Just... saying.

[22:31] <+Varanu> We won't, myrr

[22:31] <MK> You're thinking too far again.

[22:31] <+myrrlyn> i do that

[22:31] <+myrrlyn> engineering student.

[22:31] <+Varanu> I mean. You tell me what's on the far side of the Moon.

[22:31] <MK> ha

[22:31] <MK> yes

[22:31] <+myrrlyn> when astronauts on our moon looked up

[22:31] <+myrrlyn> they didn't see only america

[22:32] <MK> stop

[22:32] <+myrrlyn> they orbited and saw eurasia too

[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> Workarounds will come when they're needed.

[22:32] <+myrrlyn> and i know using analogies to our cosmology is a minefield

[22:32] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, it's a minefield.

[22:32] <MK> When I look up at the moon in SECUNDA, what do I do, How do I do it, Why do I do it

[22:32] <MK> There. Fixed.

[22:32] <+myrrlyn> Sky-Masser, nbd.

[22:33] <+myrrlyn> It's Sky-Nirn that worries me.

[22:33] <MK> sigh

[22:33] <+myrrlyn> I trust you, I do.

[22:33] <!Dovahkiin> Too far. We'll solve it at some point.

[22:33] <+myrrlyn> But fundamentals are important.

[22:33] <+Varanu> Myrr, seriously. Look up at the Moon, today and tomorrow and next month and next year. It is not a big deal, and we don't need to talk about it right now.

[22:33] <!Dovahkiin> Step. At. A. Time.

[22:34] <MK> Right. Stay on point. Secure the money. With money comes an honest and perhaps sustainable project.

[22:34] * myrrlyn fixed his skybox issue. moving on.

[22:35] <MK> Now, let me be honest, too.

[22:35] <+Varanu> Actually, let me call Mina and chatter at her for a minute.

[22:35] <+Varanu> go ahead, MK, I'll catch up ;)

[22:35] <MK> $500 for a boot strap of Only Writers. That's both cheap and a mistake.

[22:36] <MK> Cheap in that it takes more to fund it. Mistake in that it's a venture I could lose out on.

[22:36] <!Dovahkiin> Allocations are the most important now. Again, project management and git are paid for.

[22:37] <!Dovahkiin> We need to decide what's *reasonable*.

[22:37] <MK> But if I keep seeing demonstrable progress, it's $500 every couple of months.

[22:37] <MK> That won't be enough.

[22:37] <MK> So back to Steps One and Two.

[22:37] <+myrrlyn> if i may ask another stupid question? *checks allotment*

[22:37] <MK> Build another source of capital.

[22:38] <MK> Stop writing (except for re-writes and the one-sheet) and figure out your infrastructure.

[22:38] <MK> Go ahead, Alexander. (I refuse your handle)

[22:39] <+myrrlyn> where is this money going? writer payment? buying equipment or education? i may be horribly underinformed, but i got the impression most of us weren't here for a job...

[22:39] <+myrrlyn> is it the lack of vowels? i get that a lot.

[22:39] <+Varanu> I was going to say, how come he's Alexander and I'm V? O_o

[22:39] <Mojo> The money goes where we decide

[22:39] <+SemblioSanctii> I'm pretty sure that's on us to figure out and convince that it's worthwhile to put it that way.

[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> ^

[22:39] <+myrrlyn> okay. open question.

[22:39] <Mojo> Where we want it to go is a deciding factor for MK to fund this

[22:40] <+myrrlyn> okies.

[22:40] <+Varanu> Hey, guys. If, hypothetically, we were going to ask Mina to draw one-sheet things for us, what sorts of specs should we give her?

[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> Uh

[22:40] <+Varanu> I think color, obviously.

[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> Yes, color -- does she draw and scan?

[22:41] <+Varanu> She can do that, or paint, or digital.

[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> Or will they be Photoshop or similar?

[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> Oh

[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> I wouldn't be picky

[22:42] <+Varanu> digital is probably quickest/cheapest/most straightforward

[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> Probably. I'd just go with that.

[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> Simple to share and upload.

[22:42] <+Varanu> I'm not asking her for anything specific tonight, just seeing what sorts of things she thinks are reasonable.

[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> awesome

[22:45] <+SemblioSanctii> (n.b. #Secunda is now open for business, guys)

[22:46] * Guest6569605 is now known as TC01

[22:46] * Arena sets mode +v TC01 for #memospore2

[22:46] <MK> back

[22:46] <MK> summary

[22:47] <!Dovahkiin> symmary: Varanu's talking to her sister about potential art

[22:47] <!Dovahkiin> summary*

[22:47] <+Varanu> actually she had to hang up, she'll call me back in a few

[22:47] <MK> I can help point to artists

[22:48] <!Dovahkiin> Git repo's ready

[22:48] <MK> But if you let me do that?

[22:48] <MK> I become more invested

[22:48] <!Dovahkiin> (but that's preemptive if anything else)

[22:48] <MK> (right, not yet)

[22:48] <MK> I want to see what I asked for.

[22:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.

[22:48] <+Varanu> For tonight I mostly wanted to ask her what sorts of things we should be asking artists.

[22:48] <+Varanu> If that makes sense.

[22:48] <MK> And I really want you guys to think this through past the first payment.

[22:49] <MK> What happens then? You have a Business Model and a one-sheet and a what?

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> team of writers...

[22:49] <+Varanu> Timeline, probably.

[22:49] <MK> fuck writers

[22:49] <Mojo> Artists and a timeline I think

[22:49] <MK> No

[22:50] <!Dovahkiin> And Secunda

[22:50] <MK> Actually you have more than what I just asked

[22:50] <MK> You have

[22:50] <MK> A Business Model

[22:50] <+myrrlyn> stupid question #3: this is still going to be a Skyrim mod, yes? or are we changing media?

[22:50] <MK> A One-Sheet that anyone can get immediately

[22:50] <!Dovahkiin> Skyrim mod.

[22:50] <MK> First funding

[22:51] <+SemblioSanctii> Parallel getting people into the damn CK, getting their hands wet, with whatever process is needed to start formenting and implementing a plan tied to a reasonable goal that we can deliver in a reasonable time.

[22:51] <+SemblioSanctii> As for that goal? Um.

[22:51] <+SemblioSanctii> Anything I would say at this stage, at this time of night, would be spitballing.

[22:54] <!Dovahkiin> Yes. Immediately looking for funding is a Big Thing.

[22:55] <!Dovahkiin> (Other VC)

[22:55] * myrrlyn tentatively offers some spare cash...

[22:55] <+myrrlyn> I can probably do $500

[22:55] * Void_Ghost (~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net) has joined #memospore2

[22:55] <Void_Ghost> Eh

[22:56] <Void_Ghost> NOLA net is a dick

[22:56] <Void_Ghost> back

[22:56] <+SemblioSanctii> wb

[22:56] * Dovahkiin sets mode +h Void_Ghost for #memospore2

[22:56] <+Varanu> hiya :)

[22:56] <%Void_Ghost> what did I miss? And that last wasn't for effect.

[22:56] <+Varanu> either nothing or not much

[22:56] <!Dovahkiin> talking about add'l funding

[22:56] * MK (~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net) Quit ( Ping timeout: 360 seconds )

[22:57] <%Void_Ghost> Oh right, my name. Cuz someone else grabbed it.

[22:57] <+Varanu> nah, the jills didn't realize you'd left until just now

[22:57] <+SemblioSanctii> Other instance of you only timed out just now

[22:58] <%Void_Ghost> First milestone and first deliverables with my name on it might help secure add'l funding

[22:58] <%Void_Ghost> no promises, but might

[22:58] <%Void_Ghost> And this mod is nothing if not might

[22:58] <!Dovahkiin> making first deliverables in the project tracker...

[22:58] <!Dovahkiin> now

[22:58] <+Varanu> yeah, it's sort of hard to get other people seriously interested without /something/ to show

[22:59] <+Cider> I'm listening to CONELRAD songs

[22:59] <+Cider> all this cold war goodness

[22:59] <+SemblioSanctii> Hello Cider

[23:00] <%Void_Ghost> Business Model (for now, with some idea of how it would grow), One-Sheet (as explained), on Secunda. $500.

[23:00] <+Cider> Hi

[23:01] <Mojo> Night all. Talk in the morning

[23:01] <+SemblioSanctii> night mojo

[23:01] <%Void_Ghost> Review on 11/1, first half payment for first half direction. I can choose to bounce then if I don't like what I see. Everyone else can bounce already and nothing ill will happen.

[23:02] <%Void_Ghost> I want this to succeed, otherwise why the fuck would I offer.

[23:02] * Mojo (webchat@2142b218.3d9ffd99.il.comcast.net) Quit ( Quit: bed )

[23:02] <!Dovahkiin> Ok. I'm shoving some coals in the project manager software fireplace

[23:03] <%Void_Ghost> I want to read nothing except the Business Model and the One-Sheet. All the other stuff? Not my concern.

[23:04] <+SemblioSanctii> Clear.

[23:04] <%Void_Ghost> If we continue this arrangement, more money gets funneled in, but so does more investment and creative control.

[23:05] <%Void_Ghost> Meaning either awesome help or weird fucking curveballs.

[23:05] <%Void_Ghost> Either way, everyone gets to really learn what grass-roots dev is.

[23:05] * Varanu sighs

[23:05] <+Varanu> this is the bit that's really /different/ from dealing with the NSF

[23:05] <%Void_Ghost> Writing is the easy part. Don't forget that. Editing writing? Hard. Making? Hardest.

[23:06] <%Void_Ghost> V, tell me what that is.

[23:06] <%Void_Ghost> You keep mentioning it.

[23:06] * myrrlyn looks longingly at his MATLAB and thermo work

[23:06] <+Varanu> National Science Foundation

[23:06] <+myrrlyn> ^

[23:06] <%Void_Ghost> Again, tell me what that is.

[23:06] <%Void_Ghost> Rather, how it differs.

[23:08] <+Varanu> The NSF wants to know what you're doing, how you're doing it, etc, in a really detailed way, but once you have the money you can do what you said you were going to do. No curveballs, no increase or decrease in creative control.

[23:08] <%Void_Ghost> That's why no more talk of hobby

[23:09] <+Varanu> You give them the plan, they say "OK", then you give them regular updates. If the updates correspond with what you said you were going to do, you're golden.

[23:09] <%Void_Ghost> And all talk of Convince

[23:09] <+SemblioSanctii> Well, I'd say one major difference is that

[23:09] <%Void_Ghost> Look, V, if you talk in Convince, you're always golden

[23:09] <+SemblioSanctii> (nvm)

[23:10] <%Void_Ghost> To go all the way back to the Civil War

[23:10] <%Void_Ghost> I've never been convinced in Masser

[23:10] <+Varanu> I know. And it's a thing I know how to do, it just means I have to think in terms of how I sell my work to my advisor, instead of how I sell it to the funding agency.

[23:10] <%Void_Ghost> I knew what it was

[23:10] <%Void_Ghost> And it was a neat thing to think about

[23:10] <%Void_Ghost> But I know it's a hobby without real lift off

[23:11] <%Void_Ghost> Scroll up again

[23:11] <%Void_Ghost> This is a Lucky Break

[23:11] <%Void_Ghost> I am an Advisor

[23:11] <%Void_Ghost> For better or worse, I'm also the funding agency

[23:12] <%Void_Ghost> Until I am convinced, you guys will stay on target

[23:12] <%Void_Ghost> With my money

[23:12] <+Varanu> :P

[23:12] <+Varanu> Don't mind me, I'm just complaining about the mental adjustment.

[23:13] <%Void_Ghost> Until such a time I have enough trust to know it's a wise investment that I know is in good hands

[23:13] <%Void_Ghost> By which I mean-- ALWAYS-- demonstrable deliverables

[23:14] <%Void_Ghost> Seriously, anyone that has a stutter at Secunda vs Masser?

[23:14] <!Dovahkiin> Nope.

[23:14] <%Void_Ghost> Deal.

[23:14] <+myrrlyn> stutter?

[23:14] <%Void_Ghost> That's the kind of thing you will always see in dev.

[23:14] <+Varanu> TC is going to throw a fit, though :P

[23:15] * myrrlyn is now known as Asks_Dumb_Questions

[23:15] <%Void_Ghost> stutter = knee-jerk no

[23:15] <+Varanu> oh, Mina called me back

[23:15] <+Varanu> brb

[23:15] <%Void_Ghost> TC?

[23:15] <+SemblioSanctii> Thrice-Crooked

[23:15] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> Thrice Crooked

[23:15] <!Dovahkiin> Void_Ghost: Yeah, you have an idea, it gets changed. That happens all the time in dev. I got told to never hold onto ideas too tightly at one point

[23:15] <+SemblioSanctii> euro so asleep right now

[23:15] <%Void_Ghost> I give no fucks about that

[23:15] <+SemblioSanctii> He'll deal or he won't.

[23:15] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> I jerked my knee alrady. I'm good.

[23:15] * SemblioSanctii shrugs

[23:15] <!Dovahkiin> SemblioSanctii: right attitude

[23:16] <%Void_Ghost> Agreed

[23:16] <%Void_Ghost> If I said, "NO KNOWN RACES"

[23:16] <%Void_Ghost> That's the time to get stutter

[23:16] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> I'd get pissed about no Orcs, for sure.

[23:16] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> and I'd ask what you defined as known

[23:16] <%Void_Ghost> Don't tempt me

[23:16] <!Dovahkiin> *sigh*

[23:17] * Asks_Dumb_Questions shuts up

[23:17] <!Dovahkiin> Don't give the man ideas :)

[23:17] <%Void_Ghost> seconded sigh

[23:17] <!Dovahkiin> Ok, in the meantime, just made issue 193 on stratosphe.re: "MK Deliverables"

[23:17] <%Void_Ghost> I gave my reasons. I look up today and see a silver moon. This mod should give me something new.

[23:18] <%Void_Ghost> I have other reasons

[23:18] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> aight

[23:18] <%Void_Ghost> But they are my own. Those you might never get to know. But you're getting paid.

[23:18] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> good enough for me

[23:19] <%Void_Ghost> Give me a couple of days and I'll send you a one-sheet template. Don't let that stop you from making one of your own.

[23:19] <%Void_Ghost> STORY TIME

[23:19] <%Void_Ghost> Ready?

[23:19] <+Asks_Dumb_Questions> OKAY

[23:19] <!Dovahkiin> Shoot

[23:20] <+SemblioSanctii> Go for it.

[23:20] <%Void_Ghost> Take away all of your pre-conceptions and think of it like this

[23:20] <%Void_Ghost> You're That Guy

[23:20] <%Void_Ghost> On the corner

[23:20] <%Void_Ghost> With fliers in his hand

[23:20] * Asks_Dumb_Questions is now known as That_Guy

[23:21] <%Void_Ghost> Or, y'know, free tickets to a show or a concert or an art showing

[23:21] <%Void_Ghost> That Guy is an auto-asshole

[23:21] <%Void_Ghost> We ignore That Guy

[23:22] <%Void_Ghost> But some of us take that flier out of whatever. Kindess? Awkwardness?

[23:22] <%Void_Ghost> THAT flier is the one-sheet

[23:22] <%Void_Ghost> It's the ticket to getting someone to look first

[23:22] <%Void_Ghost> Pay later

[23:22] <%Void_Ghost> That's how it really works

[23:23] <%Void_Ghost> Believe me

[23:23] <!Dovahkiin> I believe you

[23:23] <%Void_Ghost> I've done so many of these

[23:23] <%Void_Ghost> When I was SO certain my writing and my art would sell it

[23:23] <%Void_Ghost> NOPE

[23:23] <%Void_Ghost> And it will be exactly THAT hard

[23:24] <%Void_Ghost> Because $500 is chump change

[23:24] <%Void_Ghost> When you're asking for 9 months with a 40+ team

[23:24] <%Void_Ghost> On the undiscovered country

[23:25] <%Void_Ghost> Story time is over

[23:25] * That_Guy is now known as myrrlyn

[23:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Makes sense.

[23:26] <%Void_Ghost> I've managed to sway that many people on something as dumb as...

[23:26] <%Void_Ghost> ...okay, we're no longer a racing game, we're a tycoon plus

[23:27] <%Void_Ghost> But that takes time and titles and pedigree

[23:27] <%Void_Ghost> So if I hear that changing Masser into Secunda is a "problem" I'm really going to shake my fucking head

[23:28] <%Void_Ghost> You're either agile or not

[23:28] <%Void_Ghost> or you hold fast and believe and go rogue

[23:29] <+myrrlyn> problems might arise, but we'll deal. 's what we do.

[23:29] <+SemblioSanctii> I can't promise nobody's not going to bitch about it when they first hear the terms tomorrow, but I don't think there will be an actual refusal.

[23:29] <%Void_Ghost> and good luck with handing out those fliers unless you're really something new

[23:29] <+myrrlyn> exactly

[23:29] <!Dovahkiin> What Semblio said.

[23:29] <%Void_Ghost> If you were new, you wouldn't be a mod.

[23:30] <%Void_Ghost> Part and parcel.

[23:30] <%Void_Ghost> Trick is

[23:30] <%Void_Ghost> You get your shit so together that the mod becomes the fucking new

[23:30] <%Void_Ghost> There, that's as Inspirational Pacino as Imma get

[23:32] <+SemblioSanctii> All appreciated.

[23:32] <!Dovahkiin> Definitely

[23:33] <%Void_Ghost> Okay, let me piss and I'll spill some secrets that got jack shit to do with this project

[23:33] <+myrrlyn> >casual reminder that any bitching on my part is adjustment, not disagreement

[23:33] <!Dovahkiin> >reminder acknowledged

[23:33] <+SemblioSanctii> Duly noted myrr.

[23:33] <+SemblioSanctii> :)

[23:33] <%Void_Ghost> Not my problem, Alexander :)

[23:34] <+myrrlyn> just saying

[23:34] <+Varanu> Mina has all kinds of good advice O_O

[23:35] * Varanu is still on the phone though

[23:37] <%Void_Ghost> Okay, in the name of good sportmanship

[23:37] <%Void_Ghost> A BONUS

[23:37] <%Void_Ghost> Exactly 13 minutes of AMA

[23:37] <%Void_Ghost> go

[23:38] <%Void_Ghost> 12 no2

[23:38] * Varanu is still on the phone ;_;

[23:38] <%Void_Ghost> *now

[23:38] <+myrrlyn> why new orleans?

[23:38] <%Void_Ghost> A job

[23:38] <+myrrlyn> what got you into writing for bethsoft in the manner you did?

[23:39] <%Void_Ghost> The back of a magazine

[23:39] <%Void_Ghost> remember those?

[23:39] <!Dovahkiin> Ha, I do.

[23:39] <%Void_Ghost> 11

[23:39] <+myrrlyn> is N the New Man?

[23:39] <+myrrlyn> who is the Amaranth?

[23:39] * myrrlyn scrambles for questions

[23:39] <%Void_Ghost> one at a time

[23:39] <+myrrlyn> when will I get more Orc lore?

[23:39] <!Dovahkiin> start with: myrrlyn | is N the New Man?

[23:40] <%Void_Ghost> N means that, yes

[23:40] <!Dovahkiin> Sweetness.

[23:40] <+myrrlyn> ORC

[23:40] <+myrrlyn> LORE

[23:40] <+myrrlyn> :)

[23:40] <%Void_Ghost> I hate Orcs, so not from me

[23:40] <%Void_Ghost> "hate"

[23:40] <%Void_Ghost> 10

[23:41] <%Void_Ghost> 9

[23:41] * myrrlyn glares angrily

[23:41] <!Dovahkiin> Hidden Amaranth. Go. I have a good guess.

[23:41] <!Dovahkiin> Based on that last answer.

[23:41] <%Void_Ghost> Not a real question

[23:41] <!Dovahkiin> *sigh* Ok, sotty about that one.

[23:41] <!Dovahkiin> sorry*

[23:41] <%Void_Ghost> I like the word 'sotty'

[23:42] <%Void_Ghost> Be careful.

[23:42] <%Void_Ghost> 8

[23:42] <%Void_Ghost> Darya: Stop trying to find the profound ones.

[23:43] <%Void_Ghost> 7

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[23:43] <!Dovahkiin> Ok.

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[23:44] <%Void_Ghost> 6

[23:44] <%Void_Ghost> Goddamn, assholes

[23:44] <+myrrlyn> are the Towers spaceships and will we see them fly?

[23:44] <+SemblioSanctii> What's the deal with Agnorith Septim?

[23:44] <%Void_Ghost> Some of this, definitely

[23:44] <%Void_Ghost> SS: no idea

[23:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Tiber's "brother" and no implications on anything?

[23:44] <+myrrlyn> WHY DO YOU HATE MY BELOVED PEOPLE?

[23:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Fair enough.

[23:45] <%Void_Ghost> Because they are a trope

[23:45] <%Void_Ghost> Go

[23:45] <%Void_Ghost> 5

[23:45] <+myrrlyn> When did Zurin and Wulfharth die, if you will, relative to Numidium's activation?

[23:45] <+myrrlyn> meaning when was the Mantella infused

[23:45] <%Void_Ghost> Neither of them are dead

[23:45] <%Void_Ghost> "dead"

[23:45] <+myrrlyn> hence the "if you will"

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> Asked and answered in the appropriate texts.

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> move on

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> 4

[23:46] <+myrrlyn> i'll poke again

[23:46] <+myrrlyn> What is Snow-Throat's Stone

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> The cave

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> go

[23:46] <+SemblioSanctii> Anything more on the Magne-Ge coming at some point? Loved the Pantheon text.

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> No

[23:46] <%Void_Ghost> go

[23:47] <+myrrlyn> how do we reconcile the nirn-centric system with the fact that the sun moves against the stars?

[23:47] <%Void_Ghost> (thanks, btw)

[23:47] <+myrrlyn> i'm an engineer

[23:47] <%Void_Ghost> accident in code that is now canon

[23:47] <+myrrlyn> i like physical details

[23:47] <%Void_Ghost> 3

[23:47] <+SemblioSanctii> Is there anything you wished you could go back and add to the lessons?

[23:47] <%Void_Ghost> no

[23:48] <+myrrlyn> do you have plans for more Akaviri lore or are they staying bogeymen?

[23:48] <%Void_Ghost> I'm doing it in C0DA

[23:48] <+myrrlyn> why can't dunmer buttfuck?

[23:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Ah.

[23:48] <%Void_Ghost> Because it's a sin

[23:48] <+myrrlyn> BUT WHY

[23:48] <%Void_Ghost> Akaviri: no

[23:48] <%Void_Ghost> 2

[23:48] <+myrrlyn> if you could live in any province of Tamriel, during any game, which and which and why

[23:48] <%Void_Ghost> Because of the Apertures. Stop being literal.

[23:49] <+SemblioSanctii> Any prominent surviving Animal Cult-like groups besides the Moth Priests that might be particularly prominent?

[23:49] <%Void_Ghost> Cathnoquey, for obvious reasons

[23:49] <!Dovahkiin> What is Boma Kuro's role, if any, in the Rebel-King Enantiomorph?

[23:49] <%Void_Ghost> SS: Yes, and they will be expanded on

[23:49] <+myrrlyn> Will the Gortwog-inspired Cult of Trinimac have mythopoetic effect on Trinimalacath?

[23:49] <+SemblioSanctii> Happy to hear.

[23:49] <+myrrlyn> Is Trinimalarkay a valid concept?

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> Is Arkay's Shadow a blessing or a curse?

[23:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Geez myrr.

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> Does Aetherius scrub soul identity?

[23:50] <%Void_Ghost> D: the Witness

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> I WORK WELL UNDER PRESSURE

[23:50] <!Dovahkiin> Void_Ghost: Ok. Just confirming.

[23:50] <!Dovahkiin> (lol)

[23:50] <%Void_Ghost> No, you don't

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> no i dont

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> but i work faster

[23:50] <%Void_Ghost> 10 more minutes to make it all line up

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> YUS

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> shit

[23:50] <+myrrlyn> out of steam

[23:50] <%Void_Ghost> Your tweakin ass needs to slow your shit

[23:51] <!Dovahkiin> Do you know of any secret conspiracies involving Rorikstead?

[23:51] <%Void_Ghost> Top of my head: no fucking clue what you're talking about

[23:51] <+myrrlyn> Are the Bug Jars part of a greater system, or are they a false trail (like the side passagaes of a duck's vagina)

[23:51] <+SemblioSanctii> ...

[23:51] <!Dovahkiin> Ok, no.

[23:51] <!Dovahkiin> Mine was honest.

[23:51] <%Void_Ghost> Alexander is banned

[23:51] <%Void_Ghost> he gets two more at most

[23:52] <%Void_Ghost> 9

[23:52] <+myrrlyn> Black vs. White souls: was the metaphysical concept of that anticipated fully, or was it merely a game mechanic that took on a life of its own?

[23:52] <!Dovahkiin> There we go.

[23:52] <+myrrlyn> (worth it)

[23:52] <%Void_Ghost> context?

[23:52] <+myrrlyn> Black souls belong to sentient beings

[23:52] <+myrrlyn> orcs were originally monsters, but post WitW, they became sentient (playable) and also had black souls

[23:52] <%Void_Ghost> no fucking clue

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> it can be assumed that pre WitW they had white

[23:53] <%Void_Ghost> stop asking about fucking orcs

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> I LIKE ORCS OKAY

[23:53] <%Void_Ghost> 7

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> How big is Tamriel in lore?

[23:53] <+SemblioSanctii> ...

[23:53] <%Void_Ghost> what?

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> it's scaled down in game

[23:53] <%Void_Ghost> ...

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> and in the two books they give a distance twixt two argonian cities

[23:53] <%Void_Ghost> go sit in the corner

[23:53] <+myrrlyn> but extrapolating, that makes Tamriel really tiny

[23:54] <+myrrlyn> so how big is it, really?

[23:54] <%Void_Ghost> you had your chance

[23:54] <%Void_Ghost> 6

[23:54] <+myrrlyn> duck vaginas aside, i am doing pretty well...

[23:54] <%Void_Ghost> stop clogging

[23:54] <%Void_Ghost> seriously

[23:54] <%Void_Ghost> go

[23:54] <+SemblioSanctii> Is it reasonable to suspect Alessian Order splinters and survivors in the shadows, or were they really utterly annihilated?

[23:55] <%Void_Ghost> Reasonable

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[23:55] <%Void_Ghost> Selective, hello

[23:55] <%Void_Ghost> go

[23:55] <+SemblioSanctii> hi thawks

[23:55] <%Void_Ghost> 5

[23:55] <+thawks> Yo

[23:55] <+SemblioSanctii> 5 more minutes to AMA MK

[23:55] <+thawks> 36+1

[23:55] <+thawks> Oh my

[23:55] <+myrrlyn> Will the Imga culture see greater import in future texts or games?

[23:55] <+thawks> Wear?

[23:55] <+myrrlyn> HERE, thawks

[23:55] <%Void_Ghost> you're banned, m

[23:56] <+thawks> BUT IM ABOUT TO BOARD THE PLANE

[23:56] <%Void_Ghost> don't clog

[23:56] <%Void_Ghost> 4

[23:56] <!Dovahkiin> Is the Scarab related to the Prophet of Landfall?

[23:56] <+thawks> :(

[23:56] <%Void_Ghost> yes

[23:56] <+SemblioSanctii> Might we see Vehkships in action in C0DA?

[23:56] <%Void_Ghost> no

[23:57] <%Void_Ghost> not that kind of story

[23:57] <%Void_Ghost> 3

[23:57] <%Void_Ghost> You wILL see a Netch-Zeppelin, though

[23:57] <+SemblioSanctii> nice

[23:57] <+thawks> :i

[23:58] <%Void_Ghost> 2

[23:58] <+thawks> [what is going om fo srs]

[23:58] <+SemblioSanctii> Are minotaurs definitely the spawn of Morihaus and Alessia?

[23:58] <+thawks> Spellings

[23:58] <%Void_Ghost> yes

[23:58] <%Void_Ghost> definitely

[23:58] <+myrrlyn> Void Ghost is MK. He is answering everyone but me for two minutes more

[23:58] <+thawks> Ah

[23:59] <%Void_Ghost> 1

[23:59] * myrrlyn twitches

[23:59] <+thawks> What exactly is Hermaues Mora?

[23:59] <+thawks> ...omg phone correction

[23:59] <%Void_Ghost> Read the Consensus

[23:59] <+thawks> >:/

[23:59] <%Void_Ghost> This is the last one. Make it count.

Spoiler

[16:05] <Mojo> okay so I have a potential backer[16:06] <Mojo> He of course wants to review our Business Model and one-shot, but it's a potential $100/month[16:06] <Mojo> Regardless of Masser or Secunda[16:08]  * Mojo thought there would be a stronger reaction[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Sorry[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> only partially here myself[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> that's good though[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> 
 :)[16:09] <Mojo> Potential capital is growing.[16:09] <Mojo> :)[16:13] <Thrice-Crusade> thats cool Mojo[16:14] <Mojo> He really loves the idea of the Project so it's an essential lock, but he wants to make sure just in case[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> thats realy cool[16:14] <Mojo> So we got a bit of leeway now[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> and hes realy willing to give us money[16:14] <Mojo> Really really[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> i mean. 100 a month aint nothing[16:15] == Varanu_afk has changed nick to Varanu[16:15] <+Varanu> backer, Mojito?[16:15] <+Varanu> anyone we know?[16:15] <Mojo> Nah, one of my friends[16:15]  * Varanu is excited even if TC ain't[16:16] <Mojo> I think TC is excited[16:16] <Mojo> We aren't as chained, if you will, to MK and his Secunda demand[16:16] <+Varanu> We weren't chained before, that's why I made the monetary offer I did :/[16:17] <Mojo> Oh I know[16:17] <Mojo> But it's nice to get outside support[16:17] <Mojo> In my opinion, the incentive is that much stronger[16:17] <+Varanu> Honestly, I think the thing MK /really/ has to offer in terms of support isn't money, it's his name.[16:17] <Mojo> I don't like letting myself down, don't get me wrong, but I HATE letting other people down.[16:17] <+Varanu> oh lol Mojito, I'm the same way :)[16:18] <+Varanu> (also you don't mind the Mojito nickname do you? It was an accident at first but I kinda like it.)[16:18] <+Varanu> (I can stop if it bothers you :P)[16:18] <Mojo> Actually I like it[16:18] <Mojo> Makes me chuckle[16:18] <+Varanu> yay :)[16:18] == Mojo has changed nick to mojito[16:18] == mojito has changed nick to Mojito[16:19] <Mojito> I need that capital M[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> you are correct varanu[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> there have been plenty of big mod projects[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> but somethign with MKs name on it[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> could make a difference[16:23] <+Varanu> on the other hand something with MK's name on it becomes "that sweet mod MK made"[16:23] <+Varanu> idk if my pride could handle that ;)[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Then again, it could also cause some people to just outright turn away. Between the ones who just don't like his stuff, don't like the "ONLY MK CAN SAVE ELDER SCROLLS"-type fans, and the ones who think it's all too deep for them[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> .[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> "could"[16:24]  * Varanu is kidding, of course[16:24] <+Varanu> Oh, that's true.[16:24] <Mojito> good points[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> Still so very hypothetical.[16:24] <+Varanu> he's rather a polarizing figure, isn't he[16:24] <Ctrl-Z> If I may interject, most folk outside the lore communities don't have a clue, nor really care, who MK is.[16:25] <Thrice-Crusade> which is good[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> because if they did theyd hate him[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> as for the lore community[16:26] <+Varanu> lol[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> those that dont like him[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> will probably at least try a mod made by lorumites[16:26] <+Varanu> That's a good point, though. If we're pitching this to the wider TES community and not just lorenerds, it turns out to not actually be that big a deal.[16:26] <Ctrl-Z> If you're at all involved in the lore community and don't like him you learn to put up with him, because there's very little getting away with him.[16:28] == TESLore257 [webchat@1872b73.3ae158ff.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #memospore2[16:29] <+Varanu> Mojito, y'know, if I put in $100 a month, and you put in $100 a month, it potentially becomes a case of you not letting me down, and me not letting you down.[16:29] <+Varanu> Just a thought.[16:29] <Mojito> Very true[16:29] == RottenDeadite [~RottenDea@371cd19e.18251e65.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #memospore2[16:29] == mode/#memospore2 [+v RottenDeadite] by Arena[16:29] <+Varanu> And I don't mean you and me specifically, of course.[16:29] <Mojito> Good point V[16:29] <+Varanu> hiya, Rotten :)[16:29] <+RottenDeadite> Hello, all.[16:29] <Mojito> Heyo Rotten[16:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hi[16:30] <Mojito> RottenDeadite, we have another potential backer[16:30] <Thrice-Crusade> so rotten,varan hangout happening now or what?[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Oh?  Who?[16:30] <Mojito> one of my friends[16:30] <+Varanu> give me a couple of minutes, TC, I have to clear off my desk enough to take notes[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Neato[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> im just askign if its happening[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> cause rotten just came back[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> I dunno how we're going to deal with taking on more money.[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> no biggie[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> And yeah, TC, it's happening.[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna happen.[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> You're gonna play it.[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna etc.[16:37] <+Varanu> ok, desk clear. grabbing a food object, then I can be ready.[16:37]  * Varanu just realized she hasn't eaten anything yet today O_o[16:37] <+SemblioSanctii> ...dude.[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> after my long study of the american language[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> i am convinced the proper reaction would be something along the line sof "guuuurl"[16:42] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah TC that's about right.[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> WOOOO[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> my itnernet just died[16:43] <+Varanu> how are you still here O_o[16:43] <+SemblioSanctii> ~magicka~[16:43] <Mojito> Dreamsleeve[16:43] <+Varanu> and I have acquired food now so all is well[16:44] <+RottenDeadite> Invites sent.[16:45] <Mojito> Test[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> tersted[16:45] <Mojito> my computer started to lose power or something[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> Eww.[16:45] == OPG [webchat@1872b73.3ae158ff.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #memospore2[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> geh[16:45] == mode/#memospore2 [+v OPG] by Arena[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> not seing invite, again[16:45] <Mojito> no invite[16:45] == TESLore257 [webchat@1872b73.3ae158ff.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed][16:46] <+SemblioSanctii> hi OPG[16:46] <+OPG> Hey[16:46] <Mojito> Hola[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> sec[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> this thing is weird now[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> like[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> new window[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> and all[16:48] <+OPG> Meeting?[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> attempting[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> RottenDeadite, still nothing[16:49] <+RottenDeadite> otw semb[16:49] <+SemblioSanctii> k[16:50] <+RottenDeadite> Still no invite, Semb?[16:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Nope.[16:50] <Mojito> Nothing for me either[16:51] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito what's your address?[16:51] <Mojito> mojonation1487@gmail.com[16:53] <Mojito> fucking mic is broken I think[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> make sure[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> that it's not muting you[16:54] <+SemblioSanctii> sometimes it mutes on join[16:54] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito you might have to tell  Google Hangout which mic to use.[17:04] == Sifrael_ [webchat@3231975e.246a3fd8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Page closed][17:10] == Rhobot [~Rhobot@3d8d9d00.113ade0c.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds][17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Hi[17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Done with travel. \O/[17:14] <+SemblioSanctii> hi dovah[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> BTW. Yes, I already have a mail server[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> doing a hangout now if you want in[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> And if y'all need SSH accounts, that can work too[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Ooh[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, invite me[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> kk[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> integ3rs@gmail.com[17:45] == myrrlyn [~Alexandyr@myrrlyn.library.orc] has joined #memospore2[17:45] == mode/#memospore2 [+v myrrlyn] by Arena[17:47] == Alexandyrr [~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X] has joined #memospore2[17:49] == Thrice-Crusade [webchat@2c5db252.26866aa7.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 362 seconds][17:50] == Alexandyrr has changed nick to minimyrr[17:56] == Mojito has changed nick to Mojo[18:00] <minimyrr> my roommate and i are swapping movies and tv shows[18:01] <minimyrr> i sold him my old hard drive[18:01] <minimyrr> (he's on myrrlyn right now)[18:01] <minimyrr> and so he's got lots of empty storage space[18:02] <minimyrr> so he took Star Trek, and i was like "it's gonna be big"[18:02] <minimyrr> "zero fucks given" he says[18:02] <minimyrr> the display shoots up to 120gb. "FUCKS GIVEN! FUCKS GIVEN!"[18:02] <minimyrr> ...it's funnier in person[18:02] <+myrrlyn> so I had this class, It was microbiology[18:02] == myrrlyn [~Alexandyr@myrrlyn.library.orc] has quit [SVSKilled: GHOST command used by minimyrr][18:03] == myrrlyn [~Alexandyr@myrrlyn.library.orc] has joined #memospore2[18:03] == mode/#memospore2 [+v myrrlyn] by Arena[18:07] == Umpteen [~Thththth@1f06bfc3.2e01205d.159b2242.31478372X] has joined #Memospore2[18:07] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Umpteen] by Arena[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> hi umpteen[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr[18:08] <+Umpteen> Hullo all.[18:08] <minimyrr> sup[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> (in hangout atm)[18:08] <Mojo> Forgot about this, Hola![18:09] <minimyrr> hangout?[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> yeha[18:09] <minimyrr> where?[18:09]  * minimyrr needs in[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> honestly right now we're just shooting the shit on the lessons[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> google[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> need an address to send an invite[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> :)[18:09] <minimyrr> wyzyrdmyrrlyn@gmail.com[18:09] <+Umpteen> Too late for hangout here, but tell me if you turn up anything juicy.[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> sent[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> k[18:11] <minimyrr> Ross?[18:11] <minimyrr> nice name[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> yeah that's me[18:11] <Neradac> whered rotten go?[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> link working myrr?[18:11] <minimyrr> im not sure[18:13] <minimyrr> yes it is.[18:13] <minimyrr> we're watching a movie right now so i probably wont' stick around[18:13] <+SemblioSanctii> k, np[18:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Neradac, he's in hangout as well so ping him if you wanna get his attention[18:17] <Mojo> be back in a bit[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Hey I had to quit the hangout because I gotta write.[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> What's up?[18:18] == You have been marked as being away[18:18] <minimyrr> everyone else left too[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Oh okay.  That's for the best, we got homework.[18:18] <minimyrr> oh?[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, self-imposed homework.[18:18] <minimyrr> i gathered.[18:19] <minimyrr> anything you want me to do?[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Nah we're making proposal cases for our Masser stuff.  Just quick summaries, just for tonight.[18:19] <+OPG> Hey Myrr, what'd MK end up telling you about the Numidium stuff?[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Then we get back to work on the other stuff.[18:19] <minimyrr> your brothers have anything to say about incorporation?[18:20] <minimyrr> no cyrus if i please[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> Not yet, Myrr.  Gonna call 'em tonight or this weekend at the latest.[18:20] <+Varanu> k, I'mma go write my summaries and talk to my husband :)[18:20] <minimyrr> nighty night[18:20] <+Varanu> oh, I'll be back later[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> Maybe this is a bad sign, but there's nothing I'm really incredibly attached to that I've presonally invested a lot into that I want to spend that time defending. :|[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> It occurs to me they may not be much help.  One of 'em is personal injury and the other one works for the state dept.[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> cya myrr[18:20] <+Varanu> shouldn't take long[18:20] == Varanu has changed nick to Varanu_afk[18:20] <minimyrr> then ill say day'y day[18:20] <minimyrr> well they might know something, or have tips[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah probably.[18:21] <minimyrr> i'm going to incorporate just myself for practice, in an unrelated thing[18:21] <+OPG> Summary: Lunar Economy, Dream Trade, Revantic Sload (and their relationship with Masser/Secunda, Nucyrod/Lleswer).[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> That's fine, Semb.  I mostly wanna keep the Soul Trade market and Cuhlecaine.[18:21] <+SemblioSanctii> Incorporating as a nonprofit in Delaware costs like... what, $250, 300?[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Something like htat.[18:21] <minimyrr> i dunno. i'll look into michigan costs[18:22] <+RottenDeadite> Non profit is tricky, though, when it comes to taxes.[18:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.[18:22] <Neradac> rottin[18:22] <minimyrr> well if we have no influx of money, nonprofit is fine[18:22] <+OPG> I have tons of other stuff I want, but the Lunar Economy is the most influential thing. I dunno what I'll do if he refuses it.[18:22] <minimyrr> and if we have money, we put it all into expense or salaries, and call it good, yeah?[18:22] <+OPG> At best, I'll straight up copy and paste it into my other worldbuilding thing.[18:23] <+RottenDeadite> Myrr I don't even know enough about it to know if you're kidding.[18:23] <minimyrr> me neither. my only work with nonprofits has been three levels below finance worries[18:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Meh, someone kidnap a CPA and interrogate them. Problem solved.[18:24] <minimyrr> i know a guy[18:24] <Neradac> rawten[18:25] <+TC01> Wait, so, what was decided re: Masser/Secunda?[18:25] <+TC01> or was anything decided?[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We haven't definitevely decided yet[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We're[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> not exactly doing a counterproposal, but trying to get actual statements on his vision and goals vs. their compatability with the things we've actually spent any reall dev time on[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> i.e. NPCs, certain quests, etc.[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> And of course we disucssed what we ourselves think is feasible regarding adapting that sort of stuff.[18:27]  * TC01 nods[18:27] <+TC01> Sounds reasonable[18:27] <+OPG> Yo, how do you make a new chat? I seriously want #revenant[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> forget the syntax for IRCHighway[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> um[18:27] <!Dovahkiin> just /join it[18:28] <minimyrr>  /join #revenant[18:28] == Umpteen has changed nick to Majide_Foundation[18:28] <+SemblioSanctii> "/msg ChanServ REGISTER channel password description" if you feel like keeping it[18:30] <+OPG> What was that earlier about MK not liking Orcs?[18:30] <+OPG> Somebody mentioned that in the chat.[18:30] <minimyrr> "we're a trope"[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> He said he didn't like them[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> during his AMA period last night[18:31] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr persisted. :P[18:31] <minimyrr> it was a bit stronger than that[18:31] <+Majide_Foundation> Because Talos.[18:31] <minimyrr> i was... emotionally compromised[18:31] <+RottenDeadite> He doesn't like them because they're too close to the D&D thing for his taste.[18:31]  * Dovahkiin sighs[18:31] <+OPG> That's probably the reason why Tiber was racist against Orcs.[18:31] <!Dovahkiin> ^[18:31] <minimyrr> twatwaffle[18:32] <+OPG> Anybody ask him which PGE 1 bits he wrote? I'm curious about that.[18:32] <+Majide_Foundation> Yeah but like we have all that cool 5 Songs of Wulfharth stuff and Dumalacath... hey, maybe he just wished that the orcs WERE dwarves.[18:32] <minimyrr> we did not no[18:32] <minimyrr> i'm pretty happy with orcs not being dwarves[18:33] <Neradac> but theyre shit, its cool[18:33] <+OPG> Definitely Morrowind. Maybe Cyrod, since everybody seems to like attributing Weird Cyrod to him...definitely not Black Marsh, and I guess not Orsinium.[18:33] == Majide_Foundation has changed nick to Umpolung[18:33]  * minimyrr crosses arms and harrumphs[18:33] <Neradac> then make orcs cooler[18:33] <minimyrr> i[18:33] <minimyrr> will[18:33] <Neradac> give him something to spin and grunt happily[18:33] == MK [~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has joined #memospore2[18:34] <+OPG> Myrr, make an Orcish aristocracy.[18:34] <Neradac> that timing[18:34] <+OPG> Delicate boned waifs[18:34] <minimyrr> yeah...[18:34] <+RottenDeadite> Heeeey MK[18:34] <!Dovahkiin> hi[18:34] <MK> I have too many eyes[18:34] <+OPG> Wearing communities of gremlins in their spectacular headdresses[18:34] <MK> hey guys[18:34] <+OPG> Heya[18:34] <+Umpolung> hi[18:34] == You are no longer marked as being away[18:34] <Mojo> Hey MK[18:34] <Neradac> lo[18:34] == Umpolung has changed nick to Umpteen[18:34] <MK> waiting on a food solution, wanted to check in[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Trivia question for you guys: First Dr. Who episode to feature the Sontarans?[18:35] <minimyrr> no clue[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Anyone?[18:35] <MK> Also, I'm an asshole with spoilers to give[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Me neither :([18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Spoilers?  For what?[18:35] <Neradac> do tell[18:35] <+OPG> Hey MK, I thought of a question just before you came in. Do you remember who wrote which bits of PGE 1?[18:35] == mode/#memospore2 [+h MK] by Dovahkiin[18:35] <%MK> What mode is that, asshole?[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> hehe[18:36] <!Dovahkiin> +h = halfop[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Bright blue dot in YChat.[18:36] <%MK> same question, same tone[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Never seen that one.[18:36] <minimyrr> % for me[18:36] <%MK> Huh[18:36] <%MK> fair enough[18:36] <%MK> Sontarans? I could give a shit.[18:36] == Ctrl-Z [~ThinkPad@1b533a89.27ea28c2.2b24ce30.2f2211d7X] has left #Memospore2 [Aal Mu Yah Wah Mindok Pogaas][18:36] <%MK> Wait[18:36] <minimyrr> A puts him between ops and dovah, and should be a &[18:36] <minimyrr> +A, i mean[18:37] <%MK> OPS had something[18:37] <%MK> or whatever the fuck his handle is[18:37] <%MK> USE NAMES[18:37] == minimyrr has changed nick to Alexandyrr[18:37] <%MK> Okay, I scrolled. Yes, I do.[18:37] <Alexandyrr> "The Time Warrior"[18:38] <Mojo> Googe Fu is strong[18:38] <Mojo> ;)[18:38] <+RottenDeadite> Thanks myrr[18:38] <Alexandyrr> anytime bruh[18:38] <%MK> 'bruh' is banned[18:38] <Alexandyrr> brotten?[18:38] <Alexandyrr> it's okay, i say it ironically[18:38]  * SemblioSanctii ironically pushes Alexandyrr into a corner[18:39] <%MK> Morgan, send us your address again via other channel[18:39] <%MK> You'll get your Sul[18:39] <%MK> Irony is a poor man's gay Kevlar, you lose.[18:39] <Alexandyrr> only if i don't want to get shot;)[18:40] <%MK> OPG, you had a question[18:40] <+OPG> PGE 1. Do you remember who wrote which bits?[18:40] <%MK> lt's do that before I get to business[18:40] <%MK> YES MOTHERFUCKER[18:40] <%MK> PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMS AND SHIT[18:40] <Alexandyrr> would you mind eludicating us on that?[18:41] <%MK> already answered that[18:41] <%MK> stop cross talking when I come in here[18:41] <%MK> So, OPG, whatcha wanna know?[18:41] <%MK> My time is short.[18:42] <%MK> I have dinner approaching.[18:42] <+OPG> uh.[18:42] <%MK> Fuck it[18:42] <+OPG> Do you remember who wrote which parts of PGE 1? That's all I really want to know.[18:42] == Umpteen [~Thththth@1f06bfc3.2e01205d.159b2242.31478372X] has left #Memospore2 [Leaving][18:42] <%MK> Yes, I do. Every word.[18:42] <%MK> Now[18:42] <%MK> Business[18:42] <%MK> What have you guys decided?[18:43] <%MK> (Every single word)[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> We're on board.  We wanna see where this goes.  And the education is incredibly useful.[18:43] <%MK> Okay, so 11/1 I get what I want, yes?[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Or we get nothing, that's the deal.[18:43] <%MK> Business Model, one-sheet[18:43] <%MK> right[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Did you ever find that template?[18:44] <%MK> Start on that one on your own[18:44] <+RottenDeadite> k[18:44] <!Dovahkiin> np[18:44] <%MK> Make it in PowerPoint[18:44] <%MK> or something akin to it[18:44] <Alexandyrr> i can do that.[18:44] <%MK> I want to see it horizontal[18:45] <+RottenDeadite> Really?  Why horizontal...?[18:45] <%MK> Within the week, I'll show an example. There might be some rush to fix yours, but that's expected.[18:45] <%MK> Rotten, that's an easy answer.[18:46] <%MK> Do you rotate your television to watch movies?[18:46] <%MK> No, you don't/[18:46] <%MK> So I'm expect nothing less.[18:46] <+RottenDeadite> Ah, I see.  You want it to look good on a monitor or a projection screen.[18:46] <%MK> I look at a screen. I don't read a doc.[18:46] <%MK> ding[18:46] <%MK> Yes[18:47]  * Mojo notices Varanu is MIA yet again[18:47] <Alexandyrr> she's working/with her hubby[18:48] <%MK> I can give you an example. But it can't go into the wild.[18:48] <Alexandyrr> mum's the word[18:49] <%MK> If it does, I'll pull more than just funding. I'll pull lawyers. Y/N?[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> Really we just need structure but my main concern is that any examples we find online will be somehow inappropriate.[18:49] <Mojo> Y[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> You could just bump it to me, MK.[18:49] <%MK> If you respect me at all, this is your chance.[18:49] <!Dovahkiin> We'll be fine.[18:50] <%MK> If I find this in the wild, I will come after you.[18:50] <!Dovahkiin> I trust everyone in this channel[18:50] <%MK> Morgan, you have my trust. Kick anyone that is suspicious.[18:50] <%MK> sec[18:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK just send it to me or morgan.  Email's; ffine.[18:51] <%MK> You're being insular again[18:52] <%MK> This example is not a one-sheet, really[18:52] == mode/#memospore2 [+k kathutet] by Dovahkiin[18:52] <%MK> it was the next step[18:52] <%MK> a "3 sheet"[18:52] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  Okay, gotcha.[18:53] <%MK> just goes like this[18:54] <%MK> It has a lot of corpspeak[18:54] <%MK> Any business will have to get used to that[18:55] <%MK> Can I upload a PDF here?[18:56] <!Dovahkiin> You can dropbox it or google drive it[18:56] <Alexandyrr> not directly to the chat, i don't think...[18:56] <%MK> Not gdriving shit[18:56] <_stille_> nope, not directly[18:56] <_stille_> also hey MK[18:56] <%MK> fari enough. email.[18:56] <%MK> hey, stille[18:56] <Alexandyrr> can we pass the email around internally or no?[18:56] <%MK> Chris, email me again[18:57] <%MK> Yes, Alex, but if this goes out I will play with your blood.[18:57] <Mojo> Reasonable terms[18:57] <_stille_> yep[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> Email sent MK[18:57] <Alexandyrr> it's good fun. i like a bit of that from time to time[19:02] <%MK> okay, chris and morgan, incoming[19:02] <%MK> Sent[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> Got iy[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> it[19:03] <%MK> That's a 3-sheet[19:03] <%MK> not a one sheet[19:03] <%MK> it was denied at the 3-sheet step[19:03] <%MK> but passed the one-sheet step[19:03] <%MK> I expect the same[19:04] <+RottenDeadite> Okay about the artwork.  What quality are you expecting here?  Because I don't think we can get anything seriously impressive rendered by the 1st.[19:05] <%MK> No, but you can show me your intentions and show me how you'd use the money to secure it, right?[19:05] <!Dovahkiin> *Something* at least descriptive would be the idea[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> Okay, just making sure I understand your expectations.[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> We'll get the best we can find.[19:05] <%MK> Wrong[19:05] <%MK> The best you can afford and coerce[19:06] <%MK> Part of this is finding the right artists[19:07] <%MK> It's easy in that sense[19:07] <%MK> if you follow the What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> So should we write the doc up, include some appropriate (but not commissioned) artwork, and then tell you where your money would go for the Real artwork? Something like that?[19:08] <%MK> this is also an internal one-sheet[19:08] == mode/#memospore2 [-k kathutet] by Dovahkiin[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooh internal gotcha.[19:09] <+RottenDeadite> I'm noticing this language.  "Develop.  Dominate.  Destroy" etc.[19:09] <%MK> Right[19:09] <%MK> That's how you have to sell it[19:09] == Varanu_afk has changed nick to Varanu[19:09] <%MK> For better or worse[19:09] <%MK> [url="http://nadmoremtumana.deviantart.com/art/Vivec-sunset-283020612"]http://nadmoremtuman...unset-283020612[/url][19:09] <%MK> As internal, you can Googlegrab as much as you want[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> Ah now that's actually an exciting prospect.[19:10] <%MK> It's how Parallax got past a one-sheet[19:10] <+Varanu> Can someone catch me up, please? What's up?[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> MK's given us a Business Plan (a 3-sheet to the first 1-sheet) to look ati.[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> *at[19:11] <%MK> On a 3-sheet? We got to use the concept division. It didn't pass. Not because they did anything wrong. It's just business.[19:11] <%MK> Send it to V, she can keep it secret.[19:11] <+Varanu> link?[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK I figured it was just business.  Good idea, but not the right time, I'm guessing?[19:11] <%MK> Or I destroy her.[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> I'll email it to ya V.[19:11] <%MK> Not the right time or tech[19:11] <+Varanu> hah[19:11] <%MK> correct[19:11] <+Varanu> here, MK, I'll tell you my realname, then you can destroy me properly[19:11] <+Varanu> I'm Jessie Suk Roy[19:12] <%MK> I prefer real names[19:12] <%MK> Okay, Jessie[19:12] <%MK> I already know you're onboard[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> Hah yeah the first thing I thought when I read that doc, MK, was "what in God's name will this run on?" :D[19:12] <!Dovahkiin> Varanu: sent to you[19:12] <%MK> One thing to remember[19:12] <%MK> This 3-shhet?[19:12] <%MK> "shhet"[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> SEHT[19:12] <%MK> Done in three hours[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> O_O[19:13] <%MK> That's how fast it gets[19:13] <%MK> You get an elevator[19:13] <%MK> Then you get a lunch[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> Just you working on it?[19:14] <%MK> PC, Rotten. That was my bad.[19:14] <%MK> Nope. Like I said, I was allowed to bring in concept.[19:14] <_stille_> wait those images were done in 3h too?[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> The "screenshots" are largely other games, I think.[19:15] <%MK> Weigh this idea versus a bubble shooter[19:15] <%MK> yep yep[19:15] <%MK> Now with "paint overs" to help sell[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> Finger thing is a mockup, yeah.[19:15] <%MK> There you go[19:15] <%MK> Now act like an asshole[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> So let me guess, you had to present this in a boardroom wiht a bunch of other people pitching their stuff in the same meeting?[19:16] <%MK> Bubble Shooter or Croos-Time Tycoon?[19:16] <%MK> *Cross[19:16] <%MK> No, worse[19:16] <%MK> Email ether[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> Bubble Shooter's a bigger market with a broader established fan base and works better for casual, quickie games on the bus.[19:16] <%MK> bam[19:16]  * RottenDeadite shrugs.[19:17] <%MK> there, see, it was my bad[19:17] <%MK> I pushed[19:17] <%MK> This is what we do[19:18] <%MK> We have three hours to do this thing because there are 44,000 other things to look at[19:19] <%MK> and the whole of the net to analyze AppStore and Google Play (snort-- no one does that)[19:19] <%MK> And when they look at you and your awesome asynch tycoon idea?[19:19] <%MK> They see no clones[19:19] <%MK> MY BAD[19:20] <%MK> I wasted time, effort and money[19:21] <%MK> the floor is open[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> So we're wondering about what parts of the project we've written that we can bring to Secunda.[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> And what you've got planned for, for example, the quests and such.[19:22] <%MK> (I have no access right now to the one-sheet that allowed the evolution)[19:22] <+RottenDeadite> I've suggested that everybody pick what they want to keep and write up a 500 words or less (preferrably less) description of it.  We'll submit it whenever you're ready for it.[19:22] <%MK> Really? That's what you're wondering about?[19:22] <_stille_> correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the one-sheet supposed to be much more basic than stuff we can bring to Secunda?[19:23] <_stille_> I think we're supposed to do this by the book, so concept! bare-bones idea![19:23] <+RottenDeadite> Because most of us are wondering if we're interested enough to stick it out in this project, dude.[19:23] <%MK> Apologies, Chris. I figured there would be a log.[19:23] <%MK> One sheet pitch. Four images.[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> The one-sheet is VERY terse, stille.  Did you read the logs we sent you?[19:23] <_stille_> yeah[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> DID we send you logs..?  Oh okay good :D[19:23] <!Dovahkiin> That might be a decision that we'll have to make. It's a venture, after all[19:23] <_stille_> you didn't but I read the channel logs[19:24] <_stille_> unless there's more stuff[19:24] <%MK> First image: Whoa. Stinger text. One sentence.[19:24] <%MK> Then: What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It. Images say all of the things.[19:24] <%MK> Because any text?[19:24] <%MK> on those last three: a text message[19:25] <%MK> 500 words is jumping out a window with your tie unraveled.[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> Heh[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> The 1-sheet is like a flyer you hand out to people on the street, I believe is what you called it.[19:25] <%MK> DOMINATE, DESTROY, DISCOVER[19:26] <%MK> yeah[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> It's gotta grab 'em fast.  Faster than a movie trailer.[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> Like fast like a movie poster that has no trailer.[19:26] <%MK> yep, which is why horizontal, too[19:26] <%MK> Your 500 words or less quest bullshit?[19:26] <%MK> That's a loooong time from now.[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> That's more of a treatment[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> (I think)[19:27] <%MK> one-sheet + plan[19:27] <%MK> 3-sheet + demonstrable progress[19:27] <%MK> Then a greenlight[19:27] <Neradac> neat[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK it's a long time from now, but a lot of people are concerned about putting work into this if the project ends up being something they don't give a crap about.[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Let me say this:[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Not a one of us, to my knoweldge, are interested in being game designers for a living.[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> But we DO want to give the lore community something amazing.[19:28] <%MK> You done?[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and I'm gonna do that from time to time ;)[19:28] <%MK> Okay, then. What you're doing isn't a mod.[19:29] <%MK> You're being an asshat.[19:29] <%MK> You want to give them something amazing?[19:29] <!Dovahkiin> This isn't a AAA title...[19:29] <%MK> Then make a fucking mod.[19:29] <%MK> Otherwise: write[19:29] <%MK> Wrong, Morgan[19:30] <%MK> If you want 'amazing' you must treat it that way[19:30] <%MK> AAA[19:30] <%MK> With all that that entails[19:31] <%MK> Otherwise it's just more jerk into a tissue of notes[19:31] <!Dovahkiin> Sorry. I meant that we should make sure to establish reasonable expectations[19:31] <%MK> If you don't want to be game designers, why are you even trying this?[19:31] <%MK> You're all talented writer[19:31] <%MK> s[19:32] <%MK> Dazzle 'em with that shit[19:32] <Alexandyrr> I can only speak for myself, but I'm trying this because it's a topic about which I'm passionate and at which I think I can do well.[19:32] <%MK> But don't act for one second that if you really want to amaze them in this way, it must be PLAYED[19:33] <+Varanu> ...because it's interesting, and fun, and I think it'd work better as something you can play than something you can read about?[19:33] <%MK> The "lore community" is fine[19:33] <+OPG> It's because we're trying to appeal to the other TES communities too, not just the lorumites.[19:33] <+OPG> Again, our central goal of popularizing this kind of stuff. Dazzle to start with, yeah, but make sure they keep coming back, even past the mod.[19:33] <Alexandyrr> pitching /r/teslore to /r/skyrim, as it were[19:33] <%MK> The lore community is full of pastiche and 6000+ word bullshit that no. one. will. remember.[19:34] <+OPG> Exactly.[19:34] <+OPG> Which is why we're appealing via mod.[19:34] <%MK> Okay, I'm getting fed up[19:34] <%MK> This is more writer bullshit[19:35] <%MK> But let me fix one of these things for you[19:35] <%MK> First image. Stinger Text: "Go deeper."[19:35] <%MK> That's all.[19:35] <%MK> That's ALL you need.[19:36] <%MK> 10 characters and, if the image is right, I keep reading.[19:36] <+Varanu> ...is that a reference?[19:36] <%MK> Does that matter?[19:37] <+Varanu> Not really.[19:37] <%MK> I just see the words "even past the mod" and want to strangle fuckers.[19:37] <%MK> THERE IS NOTHING PAST THE MOD.[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> seriously, trust the process, this is how game design works[19:37] <%MK> Not until there is a mod.[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> *development[19:38] <!Dovahkiin> we really fucking need to take this methodically[19:38] <%MK> Sure, it's a sting-thing from Inception. But I'm in. Again, if the image is spot on.[19:38] <%MK> Get in the motherfucking elevator first.[19:38] <_stille_> I agree with Dovah[19:38] <_stille_> there's few easier way to get stuck going nowhere than skipping steps witht his[19:39] <%MK> "Past the mod" is hitting a button you just wished was there[19:39] <_stille_> especially with an inexperienced crew like us :P[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah. Game development is methodical. The process is crucial.[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Infinite writing != game[19:39] <+Varanu> Guys, I don't think anyone /disagrees/ that we need to get our shit together.[19:39] <Alexandyrr> correct[19:40] <%MK> There's a Shakespeare quote all up in there. And it applies.[19:40] <_stille_> a process for getting our shit together is precisely what we're being offered[19:40] <%MK> Or you bail. Like the logs: no harm, no foul.[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> also, let's make this very clear: if you're in, you're not second-guessing yourself[19:41] <Alexandyrr> are we going to need qualifications for being in?[19:41]  * Dovahkiin sighs[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> not the point[19:41] <%MK> But the fuck if Imma give you guys five hundred bucks to give me a buncha un-illstrated shit that's (hopefully) 500 words or less[19:42] <+Varanu> Yeah, and we're going to follow the /process/. The process isn't what we're waffling about, here.[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are, V.[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are still going, "Process? Fuck that."[19:42] <+Varanu> MK, if you were asking for a business model and a one-sheet for something set on Masser I don't think there'd be problems.[19:43] <+Varanu> I could be wrong.[19:43] <%MK> Kinda[19:43] <_stille_> yeah, lots of people got miffed about the switch[19:43] <!Dovahkiin> It's a curveball, but no one's ragequit[19:43] <%MK> I'm asking for a business model and a one-shhet on Secunda.[19:43] <%MK> Those people? Weep me a fucking river.[19:44] <_stille_> so yeah folk, this is precisely why the process is important. you get to see if you have your stuff on the right moon before putting in hundreds of hours of work in[19:44] <%MK> What are they going to do with "miffed"?[19:44] <+Varanu> "the right moon", stille?[19:44] <%MK> Nothing.[19:44] <%MK> Absonothing.[19:44] <_stille_> sorry V, 4 am here[19:45] <%MK> Write more bullshit that will not make it into a real mod.[19:45] == Memospore471 [webchat@1a8c5c1c.33b18cfd.cable.rcn.com] has joined #memospore2[19:45] <%MK> If you fail to see the business sense here, you've already failed.[19:45] <+Varanu> oh hiya bird :)[19:46]  * RottenDeadite nods at Albatross.[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> No bullshit tonight, please[19:46] <+Varanu> brb[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> Full disclosure[19:46] <%MK> Whoa, after the 3-sheet? Asshole asks us for a on-rails racing segment.[19:47] <%MK> Not planned. Non-negotiable.[19:47] <%MK> What then?[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> Then we wave goodbye.[19:47] <!Dovahkiin> we're sort of still doing cost-benefit on it[19:47] <%MK> really?[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> on rails racing sucks nuts.[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> It's science.[19:47] <+Varanu> HEY.[19:47] <%MK> You really, really wave goodbye.[19:47] <%MK> Then you're not fit to run this.[19:48] <%MK> You've just wasted everyone's time, effort, and money.[19:48] <%MK> You didn't even take the time to think about it.[19:48] <%MK> Here's how you do it[19:49] <%MK> "What the living FUCK?"[19:49] <%MK> talk talk talk rage research talk talk[19:49] <%MK> PRESENT[19:49] <+RottenDeadite> So "non negotiable...?"[19:49] <%MK> Wave goodbye? Mod's over.[19:50] <%MK> Yes. It has to be in. Or your money's gone.[19:50] <_stille_> you give'em the racing segment and make it as good as you can, and make the rest of the game as good as you can too[19:50] <!Dovahkiin> You make the best on-rails racing game ever[19:51] <!Dovahkiin> simulpost[19:51] <_stille_> basically you can maybe end up with a good game with a shitty on-rails-racing segment, but at least this way you have a mostly good game[19:51] <_stille_> and your team gets to eat[19:51] <%MK> Much like, oh I dunno, deciding at the last second that vigittiiiacan'tspellit Argonians and Khajiit HAD to be playable[19:52] <%MK> Yes. Your team gets to eat.[19:52] <%MK> That's your goal[19:52] <%MK> Not past the mod[19:52] <%MK> Cuz that's your dream[19:52] <_stille_> problem is, most of us get our food from other sources than game design[19:52] <%MK> Do I really have to say it?[19:53] <%MK> That's fine, stille, then stop wishing for a mod.[19:53] <%MK> "Walk like them"[19:53] <%MK> I'm not here to teach you the wrong things[19:54] == Krognaz_gro-Makoza [~Krognaz@13e0fa6.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X] has joined #memospore2[19:54] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Krognaz_gro-Makoza] by Arena[19:54] <%MK> I'm here to show you the wrong things[19:55] <%MK> It's probably out there somewhere, but story time[19:56] <%MK> Redguard started as a gigantic airhsip so-far-future-that-it's-magic airship pirate game[19:56] <%MK> Kurt and I had to whole of a universe "mapped" out[19:56] <%MK> Daggerfall's done. SkyNET's over. We need new product.[19:57] <%MK> We strut in, talk this bullshit about a gas planet universe.[19:57] <%MK> Todd turns around, and he's struck by a few ideas. And he's focused.[19:58] <+RottenDeadite> Cannonballs so rare they have names.[19:58] <+Varanu> What?[19:58] <%MK> Sword fighting. Cool. Ships. Cool. (yes)[19:58] <%MK> "Set it in Tamriel."[19:58] <%MK> RAGE[19:59] <%MK> Two hours, it was over. We wanted our core game.[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  that's not how I read that part, somehow.[19:59] <%MK> Well, you interrupted the story, dummy.[20:00] <%MK> We wanted a pirate dude, sword fighting and solving puzzles and jumping on airships and unearthing vanished cultures.[20:00] <%MK> WE GOT THAT.[20:01] <%MK> Was it a gas planet? (Metaphor: Masser)[20:01] <%MK> NOPE[20:01] <%MK> Was it in our best interests?[20:01] <%MK> YUP. We paid rent.[20:02] <%MK> Story over.[20:02] <+SemblioSanctii> Apt.[20:02] <%MK> Cuz meanwhile where we were renting and eating, we were sowing the seeds for other things.[20:03] <+Varanu> No talk about "why Tamriel", really?[20:03] == Humble_Quark [webchat@1654620b.2c5db252.yolau.net] has joined #memospore2[20:03] <%MK> Surely there was.[20:03] <Humble_Quark> Goodnessgraciousme.[20:03] <+SemblioSanctii> hi HQ[20:03] <+Varanu> hiya, HQ :)[20:04] <%MK> "Because we just put out Daggerfall. The audience knows that world. We don't have to pay for a license or rely on an unknown IP."[20:04] <Neradac> hlo HQ[20:04] <+myrrlyn> aichqueue, hiya[20:04] <!Dovahkiin> as I said: cost/benefit[20:04] <+Varanu> That feels... flimsy. Very nearly as flimsy as "because red moon is cooler to look at" oh wait[20:04] <+Varanu> :P[20:05] <%MK> It worked.[20:05] <%MK> You're making a mod because it did.[20:05] <_stille_> and it's why we got the TES we all know and love[20:05] <%MK> ding[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> writer crap aside[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> ventures have risk, we're still collectively deciding if we're willing to accept it[20:05] <%MK> Also: a red moon IS cooler to look at[20:06] <+Varanu> Red moon is also cooler to run around on. But I get your point, I think.[20:06] <+SemblioSanctii> (Or we make white moon cooler to run around)[20:06] <Humble_Quark> Nasa knows this[20:06] <%MK> Just like, oh hey, fuck your gas planet because Tamriel is cooler to jump on[20:06] <Neradac> sooo, red sugar then[20:07] <%MK> Morgan, that's fair[20:07] == Alexandyrr [~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X] has quit [Quit: Zer0-Summed][20:07] <+Varanu> fuckin' government shutdown, at least Curiosity is still running > :([20:07] <%MK> Collective is part of the point[20:07] <%MK> I will take a bet, though[20:07]  * Varanu perks up[20:08] <%MK> Masser will never get made[20:08] <%MK> Not unless you do it this way[20:08] <%MK> Prove me wrong[20:08] <+myrrlyn> how much?[20:08] <Neradac> hah[20:08] <%MK> It's win-win that way. I'll play it.[20:08] <%MK> Fuck off, Alexander[20:08] <+Varanu> Hah. If we don't make it, you win the bet. If we do, MASSER.[20:09] <%MK> You're, what, a fan with 6000+ words and that's all, am I right?[20:09] <+myrrlyn> Surfacely.[20:09] <+Varanu> Me? Fuck, I don't even have 6000+ words.[20:09] <%MK> yup[20:10] <%MK> That's all any of you are with this right now[20:10] <Humble_Quark> Apes with keyboards.[20:10]  * Varanu is not as much of a TES fan as some other people[20:10] <%MK> all surface, no foundation[20:10] <%MK> not as individuals[20:10] <%MK> but as a "modding community"[20:10] <!Dovahkiin> I really think we should be following the right process, regardless of WHAT risk/reward structure we take[20:11] <+SemblioSanctii> I think that's self-evident by sum total of work to date Dovah.[20:11] <+Varanu> Dovah, really, who is still arguing this? O_o[20:11] <!Dovahkiin> Well, sorry[20:11] <%MK> I am[20:11] <%MK> My money's on the table[20:11] <Humble_Quark> Is there even a plot yet?[20:11] <+RottenDeadite> The only question we're thinking of right now is: do we take that money.[20:11] <%MK> FUCK YOUR PLOT[20:11] <+Varanu> sheeeesh Dovah ;)[20:11] <%MK> Gimme your game[20:12] <+Varanu> (and yeah, HQ, there's a plot. Or, uh. Was. idk.)[20:12] <%MK> (There better be a plot. That was for effect.)[20:12] <+OPG> The larger one is mostly re-applicable to Secunda.[20:12] <Humble_Quark> Rough outline?[20:12] <%MK> (But fuck if I wanna see it in stupid fucking words words words)[20:12] <+RottenDeadite> link incomming[20:12] <%MK> No outline![20:12] <+OPG> The smaller, Osla one is barely applicable, but whatever[20:13] <+Varanu> There were NPCs, too. Not implemented, but they had names and all.[20:13] <%MK> HQ, you're returning this to wank[20:13] <+RottenDeadite> link sent, hq.[20:13] <%MK> wank wank wank NPCs[20:13] <+Varanu> Actually now that I think about it, this would make a bitchin' nest for, like, a novella or something.[20:13] <Humble_Quark> Sorry, I've been missing.[20:13] <+OPG> lol, Var[20:14] <%MK> V, yeah. Actually that might be the best way to go.[20:14] <+Varanu> Which is another sort of writing thing and not a game thing, soooooo I have just proved some kind of point.[20:14] <+Varanu> Yeah.[20:14] <%MK> Given your circumstances.[20:14] <+OPG> We've already gone that direction in patches, yeah.[20:14] <%MK> smh[20:14] <+RottenDeadite> We have?[20:14] <%MK> I knew it[20:15]  * Dovahkiin sighs[20:15] <%MK> I fucking knew it[20:15] <+OPG> Dude, chill, it was a couple side projects, secondary to the core one[20:15] <%MK> Dude, fuck off[20:15] <%MK> use another channel for this shit[20:16] == Humble_Quark [webchat@1654620b.2c5db252.yolau.net] has quit [Quit: compooper][20:16] <%MK> You are contributing absolutely this much money to it: 0[20:16] == myrrlyn [~Alexandyr@myrrlyn.library.orc] has quit [Quit: Quit][20:16] <%MK> You either want to make a game, or you want to write[20:17] <%MK> There is no middle ground[20:17] <%MK> unless it's patches[20:17] <%MK> and have fun with that[20:17] <+OPG> I never said I was writing one.[20:17] == Hermit_Qabal [webchat@1654620b.2c5db252.yolau.net] has joined #memospore2[20:17] <+OPG> I intended to, but I never got started, really.[20:18] <%MK> No, you just stick your head up in a business conversation with BLORT[20:18] <Hermit_Qabal> k. how many clams do we need?[20:18] <+OPG> Bye, then.[20:18] <%MK> BYE[20:18] <+Varanu> MK, question. Business type question. For future... business type things.[20:19] <+Varanu> What do we do if we get another ongoing contributor and you guys want different things?[20:19] <+Varanu> I'm really not trying to be obtuse here.[20:19] <%MK> The main money is the main boss[20:19] <%MK> Think of it like this[20:19] <%MK> You are trying to stay afloat[20:20] <%MK> You have to please your brokers[20:20] <%MK> Collectively, as a team, you decide which way to take[20:20] <%MK> and which wallet to pull from[20:21] <%MK> It sounds more nefarious than it is[20:21] <+RottenDeadite> Is it often complicated?  I suspect it's usually an easy decision.[20:22]  * Varanu imagines some rich people steepling their fingers and petting white cats and things.[20:22] <%MK> In your theoretical, you have a champagne problem[20:22] <%MK> "Whose money do we take?"[20:22] <+Varanu> Hah[20:22] <+Varanu> Best position to be in.[20:22] <%MK> Right[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> We have one option, or no options currently[20:22] <%MK> It can be complicated, yeah, Chris.[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> Well, not strictly true[20:23] <%MK> "This chick is cool, and chill, but offers this. But we all like her."[20:23] <%MK> "This dude offers this but he's the asshole that demanded a rail."[20:23] <+RottenDeadite> :D[20:24] <%MK> "Fuck that chick, she has no clout. Rail it is."[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> This is the problem with moonshit. For all this effort, you should be paid.[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> Fuck Tamriel.[20:24] <+Varanu> I was going to say, I can put up $500 this month. And probably ongoing unless I don't get a job after I graduate in December.[20:24] <%MK> See?[20:24] <+Varanu> But I'm also seeing that I don't know /shit/ about this stuff.[20:24] <Mojo> ^[20:24] <_stille_> haha[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah Varanu and that's in addition to what I'm putting up.  But I also don't know shit about process.[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> so :([20:25] <+Varanu> I was wondering if you'd be willing to come 'round and advise, even if we don't accept your offer and so on...?[20:25] <%MK> well now, errybody at least seems to be thinking about Step One[20:25] <%MK> Fuck naw[20:25] <+Varanu> aw :([20:25] <+RottenDeadite> Dude I think in comparison we were barely thinking before you started talking to us about the process.[20:25] <%MK> I've been with Masser from the start[20:25] <Hermit_Qabal> For beauty, you'll have to suffer.[20:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Reasonable. I mean you got your own shit to do.[20:25] <%MK> I knew it was going to fail then[20:26] <%MK> I offered money then[20:26] <+Varanu> Wait, what, when?[20:26]  * Varanu doesn't recall this but maybe she has a terrible memory.[20:26] <%MK> Chris, is this private talk?[20:26] <+SemblioSanctii> I certainly heard nothing of that.[20:26] <+RottenDeadite> Nah, go dude.[20:26] <Hermit_Qabal> So who's willing to bleed for redplanet?[20:26] <%MK> HQ, would you please offer more?[20:26] <%MK> jesus christ[20:27] <%MK> Chris hit me up with the idea[20:27] <Hermit_Qabal> Money or wordswordswords?[20:27] <%MK> fuck off[20:27] <%MK> Then he went and started WRITING[20:27] <%MK> Meanwhile, I had dinner and called a lawyer[20:28] <%MK> Found out what could and couldn't be done with a CK mod[20:28] <%MK> I get a gdoc splat[20:28] <%MK> I scan it[20:28] <%MK> I see no images[20:28] <%MK> I see WRITING[20:28] <%MK> I see no planning[20:29] <%MK> I see nothing but comments[20:29] <%MK> from OTHER writers[20:29] <%MK> I don't at any point[20:29] <%MK> see a comment from an enginee[20:29] <%MK> r[20:29] <%MK> or an artist[20:29] <%MK> I see DESCRIPTIONS of art, but no fucking art[20:29] <%MK> I leave it be[20:30] <%MK> Knowing, like you're all proving, it's doomed[20:30] <Hermit_Qabal> Bookhags, this lot.[20:30] == Toesock [~IceChat77@25b55acd.18d12617.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #memospore2[20:30] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Toesock] by Arena[20:30] <+Varanu> Hey, it's what we know.[20:30] <%MK> right[20:30] <%MK> it is[20:30] <%MK> that's all you know[20:31] <+Toesock> Hey guys[20:31] <+Varanu> hiya Toe :)[20:31] <%MK> Which is why Masser the Mod should have been Masser the Buncha Books[20:31] <+Toesock> Hiya Var!  :D[20:31] <%MK> But nope[20:31] <Hermit_Qabal> Pretty much.[20:31] <%MK> Cuz here's another thing you guys do[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> I was busy working on other things for the bulk of the Masser planning. Never had the chance to comment that much[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> and that's on me[20:31] <%MK> Finish absolutely nothing[20:32] <%MK> You mouthfart[20:32] <%MK> that's it[20:32] <+Varanu> Oh, now /that's/ unfair.[20:32] <%MK> "Masser: mouthfart. Cool, I'm done for the day."[20:33] <+Toesock> What's going on?[20:33] <%MK> Is it, when applied to this?[20:33] <%MK> Where's the GDD, V?[20:33] <%MK> Where's the asset lists?[20:33] <+Varanu> Sorry. Acronym?[20:33] <%MK> Game Design Document[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> We had something like design docs.  Nobody used 'em.  [url="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6215On2UYdCG2mzP9QyRYInaqdoQgtgelfYujBLbeA/pub"]https://docs.google....elfYujBLbeA/pub[/url][20:34] <%MK> TDD = Technical Design Document[20:34] <%MK> ding[20:34] <%MK> Cuz nobody finishes jack shit[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> I can't bend people's arms behind their backs without funding, apparently.[20:34] <%MK> DING[20:35] <Hermit_Qabal> Too many cooks. Too much arguing over dragon-yellowcabs.[20:35] <+Varanu> Well, all right. That's true. Long have we wished for a way to bend people's arms behind their backs, because getting people to write things down at all is /stupid/ hard.[20:36] <%MK> No, it's not, V.[20:36]  * Varanu tries not to be a bitch about this but sometimes she fails.[20:36] <%MK> Writing is hard.[20:36] <%MK> Writing is easy.[20:36] == Umpteen [~Thththth@1f06bfc3.2e01205d.159b2242.31478372X] has joined #Memospore2[20:36] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Umpteen] by Arena[20:36] <+Varanu> Writing is /easy/. Rewriting is hard ;)[20:36] <%MK> Writing is mouthfart.[20:36]  * RottenDeadite goes crosseyed.[20:37] <%MK> Go crosseyed, dude[20:37] <%MK> Look at your email[20:37] <%MK> I told you if I funded this I would be more than an advisor[20:37] <%MK> But I backed off, then got bored[20:38] <%MK> Now I'm not[20:38] <%MK> And what do you have to show for it?[20:38] <%MK> What, RIGHT NOW, can I download and look at?[20:38] <%MK> jack[20:39] <%MK> At least when I right the 500 or Thereabouts I know I'm purposely going for TL;DR[20:39] <%MK> *write[20:41] <+Varanu> I was going to say we do have a /couple/ of art type things, but they're not broad-concept at /all/.[20:41] <+Varanu> So, not really negating your point.[20:41] <%MK> Like I said, I want you to succeed.[20:41] <%MK> But you have no discerable plan.[20:42] <%MK> I've outlined one for you[20:42] <+Varanu> I did, incidentally, call my sister and ask how money changed things.[20:42] <%MK> What did she say?[20:42] <+Varanu> It does. You were right :P[20:42] <%MK> Thanks.[20:42] <+Varanu> And here I thought I could depend on the ties of blood, alas.[20:42] <%MK> Even between the best of friends, it seals a deal.[20:43] <%MK> Okay, is everyone properly pissed off?[20:43] <+RottenDeadite> Man you must be a helluva guy to work for.[20:43] <_stille_> you'll have to do with me being just sleepy.[20:43] <+Varanu> Actually I'm sort of the opposite of pissed off now. Is that weird?[20:44] <%MK> No, it's being a soldier.[20:44] <Hermit_Qabal> Yes, but it's unrelated.[20:44] <+RottenDeadite> The worst part is, I can't argue with any of this :D[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> ^[20:44] <!Dovahkiin> thank you[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Well, I wouldn't say "worst"[20:44] <+Varanu> I'm sort of half excited about Masser the Buncha Books, and half thinking, "Actually, learning how to do this properly could be fun."[20:44] <%MK> Okay, then.[20:45] <%MK> Let's get it all out. You already have the terms.[20:45] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books? Not a bad thing at all.[20:46] <+RottenDeadite> I'm assuming you want Secunda because of some reason in addition to the visuals?[20:46] <%MK> Masser the Mod? You got me. And you'd be surprised how easy it is to work with me if you actually work.[20:46] <%MK> And no one works without getting paid.[20:46] <%MK> Nope.[20:46] <+Varanu> lol[20:46] <%MK> I want it because it's better.[20:47] <%MK> Your VC wants it because he "knows better".[20:47] <_stille_> we stepping on any other plans for masser?[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe, stille.[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> We'll see, I suspect.[20:47] <%MK> It's better to look the fuck up, see Tamriel, see a big fucking red moon, and not be able to point to anything that exists in the lore and second guess it.[20:48] <%MK> "the lore"[20:48] <+Varanu> I'm also kind of thinking about what you said for Redguard. Pirate dude, sword fighting, solving puzzles, etc.[20:48] <%MK> As a team, it's also better for you.[20:48] <+Varanu> At its /heart/ none of that depends on setting.[20:48] <+RottenDeadite> Oh?  How so, MK?[20:48] <%MK> ding[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> It's a sandbox in which to operate[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> That's how[20:49] <%MK> Because you've been making a gas planet[20:49] <%MK> Now you're going to try and make a mod[20:50] <%MK> When you look at all that fucking Masser shit?[20:50] <%MK> You're gonna only concentrate on what sells it.[20:50] <+Varanu> eek brb[20:50] <%MK> Part of that? It gets easier by moving it.[20:51] <%MK> We need this. This is blah blah shit. This thing? Yeah, move it.[20:51] <Mojo> It forces us to break down the project to it's bare bones to see what is salvageable.[20:51] <%MK> You'll orbit and find it.[20:51] <Mojo> Thus coming up with "Why am I here... etc[20:51] <%MK> Mojo, you're almost there[20:51] <Neradac> what youd want to put in a trailer?[20:51] <%MK> Not "salvagable"[20:52] <%MK> What is "essential[20:52] <+Toesock> essential[20:52] <%MK> jinx[20:52] <+Toesock> lol[20:52] <Mojo> Valid, I was looking at it from the wrong angle[20:52] <%MK> It's okay[20:52] <%MK> Let me tell you guys the most valuable tool in the Designer's Toolbox[20:53] <+Varanu> inb4 it's a giant pair of scissors[20:53] <%MK> (Besides knowing how to code)[20:53] <%MK> It's the ability to honestly say "I don't know yet"[20:54] <%MK> The kneejerk to that, because they want answers[20:54] <+SemblioSanctii> Avoid jumping the gun on shit solutions for hypothetical problems?[20:54] <+Varanu> In my job, you always always always have to follow that up with either, "But here's why it's not important," or "But here's how I'm going to find out."[20:54] <+Varanu> Is it the same for design?[20:54] <%MK> Right. Is to either WRITE or go stress the fuck out.[20:55] <%MK> Yes[20:55] <%MK> "I don't know yet, but I feel it."[20:55] <%MK> But you're getting paid, right?[20:55] <%MK> And they're the customer.[20:55] <%MK> So you have to give them a date when your answer will be delivered.[20:55] <+Varanu> I'm thrilled that so many of my current job skills translate so well, it's like professionalism is the same everywhere or something.[20:55] <%MK> Kinda is.[20:56] <%MK> :)[20:56] <%MK> Don't pony up any money to anyone that's not in need or doesn't have a plan.[20:56] <%MK> That's all.[20:57] <%MK> Who here NEEDS Masser?[20:57] <%MK> NEEDS a mod?[20:57] <+RottenDeadite> I think I do.[20:57] <+Varanu> Nah. I want it, but I'm not going to /die/.[20:57] <+Varanu> Like actually literally die.[20:58] <%MK> Then, V, you've found the limits of what you can contribute.[20:58] <%MK> And that's no harm, no foul. That's honesty.[20:58] <%MK> Like, I really NEED to fund C0DA.[20:58] <%MK> I gotta see that motherfucker.[20:58] <+Varanu> ...what happens if you don't?[20:59] <%MK> That ain't gonna happen.[20:59] <+Varanu> I mean. Do /you/ die?[20:59] <%MK> Wait, what?[20:59] <Neradac> lel[21:00] <%MK> I will be forever unfulfilled if that's what you mean.[21:00] <+Varanu> What I'm saying is I'm not relying on Masser to pay rent or eat, therefore I do not actually /need/ it per se.[21:00] <%MK> And that won't happen.[21:00] <+Varanu> Is that not what you were asking?[21:00] <%MK> Maybe? I'm asking does Masser fulfill something that you can't live without?[21:01] <%MK> Cuz that is what will make this thing.[21:01] <Mojo> It's comparable to C0DA. MK isn't getting paid jack for that either[21:01] <+Varanu> Oh. No.[21:01] <%MK> That and money.[21:01] <+Varanu> I'll cry a lot, but I'll get over it.[21:02] <!Dovahkiin> It's a matter of how badly we want it, and I think everyone here wants it.[21:02] <%MK> I just have to see it. And I've put together a plan to make sure I do.[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Hmm.[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Question is, what /is/ it, exactly?[21:02] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books is an easier pressure valve.[21:03] <%MK> Talk about that shit and play to your strengths.[21:03] <%MK> Or get stronger and make that shit.[21:03] <%MK> HQ, I don't understand the question.[21:03] <Hermit_Qabal> Fundamentally[21:04] <%MK> which...part of this are you referring to?[21:04] <Hermit_Qabal> What do we want from Masser? What do we want it to be?[21:04] <%MK> ah, okay[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> And how far do we want to take it?[21:04] <%MK> That's what the one-sheet and infrastructure is for.[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> There's this thing some companies have to do .  Like a mission statement.[21:04] <%MK> You'll find out if you try.[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> I think every single person here would be damn proud of a mod[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> ANd that mission can't be "We wanna make money."  'Cause that won't work.[21:04] <%MK> And if I'm out the money, O[21:05] <%MK> I'm out the money[21:05] <+Varanu> 's for figuring this out, is what that stuff is for.[21:05] <+RottenDeadite> So "We wanna make a mod and put all our ideas in it" is a bullshit mission statement.[21:05] <Mojo> I'd balk at it[21:05] <Hermit_Qabal> I'll go first:[21:05] <!Dovahkiin> It's vague too[21:06] <%MK> Chris, remind me to share a really good design ruleset with you.[21:06] <%MK> Guys[21:06] <+RottenDeadite> K.  Maybe tomorrow.  My mind is going.[21:06] <%MK> Just start with my three[21:06] <%MK> What Do I Do?[21:06] <%MK> How Do I Do It?[21:06] <%MK> Why Do I Want to Keep Doing It?[21:07] <%MK> Answer those? You got your mission statement.[21:07] <%MK> 140 character or less with each answer[21:08] <+Varanu> ...So, I'm still thinking about things I will be forever unfulfilled without, and things #1 and #2 on the list are my husband and this paper I'm writing on the past two years of my research, and both of those have been tragically neglected this evening.[21:08] <+Varanu> I'll keep thinking about this. Seeya, guys.[21:08] <_stille_> there's your priorities, Varanu[21:08] == Varanu has changed nick to Varanu_afk[21:08] == Rhobot [~Rhobot@3d8d9d00.113ade0c.in.comcast.net] has joined #memospore2[21:08] <_stille_> go go go[21:08] <!Dovahkiin> cya V[21:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Night var[21:08] <Mojo> Later V[21:08] <%MK> First question: "Explore the BLORT of Secunda, BLORT"[21:09] <_stille_> did the Remanite empire ever do anything on Secunda?[21:09] <Hermit_Qabal> Second: "Learn BLARGH, BLORT, and SMEGO."[21:09] <%MK> Second question: some shit about new physics, new mechanics, new SOMETHING playable[21:09] == Rhobot has changed nick to Guest6569825[21:09] <%MK> Naw, HQ, that's still the first[21:09] <_stille_> 'cos the remnants of the Remanite space program bit is cool[21:10] <%MK> Third question: something whoa! loot whoa! powahz WHOA![21:10] <%MK> seriously[21:10] <_stille_> and I imagine khajiiti presence's been pretty well fucked by the void nights[21:10] <!Dovahkiin> just *doing* the process is bound to be illuminating[21:10] <%MK> Stille is writing again[21:11] <_stille_> sorry[21:11] <Hermit_Qabal> 1: Moonmoths[21:11] <_stille_> was thinking aloud[21:11] <%MK> Nope[21:11] <%MK> Stop, HQ[21:11] <%MK> You are a writer[21:11] <%MK> Morgan, yes[21:12] <!Dovahkiin> Rather than <lame baby/bathwater analogy>[21:12] <%MK> I will PAY for you guys "just" to do these three things by 11/15, which a milestone on 11/1[21:12] <%MK> *with[21:12] <%MK> (sorry, mind is going, too)[21:13] <%MK> How many of you are there?[21:13] <+SemblioSanctii> Still here.[21:13] <_stille_> still here but not for long[21:13] <Mojo> Still on board[21:13] <%MK> Naw, I mean, how many people would get a cut. lol[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Hehe[21:13] <+OPG> Here.[21:13] <!Dovahkiin> SemblioSanctii, OPG, _stille_, Mojo, V, me, RD, oh wait[21:13] <%MK> I don't care who's here here[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Right, Dovah.[21:14] <_stille_> ah lol, not me presumably. not going to have much time now with my masters' started[21:14] <Mojo> Other than my 9-5 I have nothing but time[21:14] <%MK> There's another peculiar American lesson[21:14] <%MK> This is the absolute worst quarter to get buy in[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> Because it's too late to publish by Black Friday?[21:15] <%MK> Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years[21:15] <%MK> No, people just got shit to do[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> OH heh[21:15] <%MK> "Code this shit? Or hang with the pumpkin carvers and possibly get some? PUMPKINS."[21:16] <%MK> That's an aspect of the business model I would want to see[21:16] <%MK> actual titles, actual tasks, with an actual heirarchy[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> "titles" you mean job titles?[21:17] <%MK> Yep[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> k[21:17] <%MK> Get used to it[21:17] == myrrlyn [~HTACALAM@myrrlyn.library.orc] has joined #memospore2[21:17] == mode/#memospore2 [+v myrrlyn] by Arena[21:18] <%MK> Okay, would you guys be up for something more fun tonight?[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Sure.[21:18] <%MK> gimme a sec[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Thanks for the advice, and the offer[21:18] <+SemblioSanctii> ^[21:18] <_stille_> sure[21:19] <+SemblioSanctii> Yes, it's very much appreciated.[21:19] <Mojo> sure, thanks for the advice[21:19] <%MK> Never a problem. I want to run around on the motherfucking moon, guys,[21:19] == Varanu_afk has changed nick to Varanu[21:19] <%MK> All right, then. 11 minutes of spoilers.[21:19] <%MK> Then[21:19] <%MK> 30 minutes of AMA[21:19] <+Varanu> My husband says "You can't talk about anything but Masser now anyway, girl, go do that."[21:20]  * myrrlyn promises to be good this time[21:20] <%MK> Sorry, V, we decided to can the whole thing[21:20]  * Varanu has the most caring and understanding husband[21:20] <+SemblioSanctii> lol[21:20] <+Varanu> Oh, ok. I guess it's me and buncha books then? :D :D :D[21:20] <+Varanu> ;)[21:20] <Mojo> haha[21:20] <%MK> ha[21:20] <%MK> Okay, so here's a few cool things I'm up to[21:21] <%MK> I secured an artist for two pretty awesome pages of C0DA[21:21] <_stille_> how large is C0DA going to be?[21:21] <%MK> I'm also going to be putting up on the c0da dot wut:[21:21] <!Dovahkiin> lol, dot wut[21:21] <Mojo> heh[21:21] <%MK> An illustrated "Republic of Hahd"[21:22]  * OPG gasps[21:22]  * Mojo fist pumps[21:22] <%MK> That'll be fun[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Ooh, that's cool.[21:22] <+myrrlyn> yissssss[21:22] <%MK> And the artist for that is wicked[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> I never read that[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> Goddamn[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> you really should dovah[21:22] <%MK> And here's the kicker for today[21:22] <%MK> UH OH[21:22] <%MK> C0DA evidently has a prologue[21:23] <%MK> And it's already written and its artist had been paid[21:23] <%MK> It should debut in a month[21:23] <Mojo> yusss[21:23] <%MK> It's an unessential piece to the larger work[21:24] <%MK> And in the spirit of c0da dot wut[21:24] <+Varanu> cool :)[21:24] <%MK> it's partly based on some older work[21:24] <Mojo> Anything we've already seen?[21:24] <%MK> it's somewhat a pity that it will be available before the larger work at hand[21:24] <%MK> but it stands on its own anyway[21:25] <%MK> yeah, mojo you've seen parts of it[21:25] <_stille_> holy shit we have a date for the sweet breeze of landfall ruffling our hair[21:25] <%MK> it got c0dified[21:25] <Mojo> sweet[21:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Good to hear[21:26] <%MK> C0DA itself-- like I mentioned, this is the American season of Fuck I'm Busy-- is likely the end of q1 2014[21:26] <%MK> Also in the works is The Water-Getting Girl[21:26] <%MK> And the artists will be many[21:27] <%MK> and no one you might expect[21:27] <%MK> 3 more minutes of this[21:27] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool. That's a fun one.[21:27] <_stille_> yep[21:27] <%MK> Unrelated to c0da dot wut[21:27] <Mojo> anything else from Sean Self? His art was fantastic[21:27] <Mojo> Scratch that, I'll wait[21:28] <%MK> is a series of...[21:28] <%MK> ...videos in the spirit of Loremaster Lawrence[21:28] <+OPG> hahahaha[21:28] <Mojo> hahaha[21:28] <%MK> hahaha[21:28] <_stille_> wut.[21:28] <+SemblioSanctii> Oh man.[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> yes[21:28] == Guest6569825 has changed nick to Rhoman[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> This[21:28] <%MK> In which I will fuck all ya'll up with my mad secrets[21:29] <+Varanu> I have not been watching those, are they amazing?[21:29] <+OPG> The Vehk jumps over the Secunda[21:29] <+Umpteen> Magicka![21:29] <+OPG> magicka![21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> Shonni-Etta at Bedtime: A Reading.[21:29] <+Varanu> Oh that one. I remember that one.[21:29] <%MK> lol[21:29] <Mojo> Yes SS[21:29] <Mojo> hahaha[21:29] <%MK> Yes. That might be one.[21:29] <+RottenDeadite> OH that'd be a thing.[21:29] <%MK> Actually more like I start it, say fuck it, and then decide to act it out[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hah[21:29] <%MK> As Lawrence intended[21:29] <_stille_> daamn[21:30] <%MK> With that fucking MUSIC[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> Bedtime story based on sermon 14[21:30] <%MK> and that fucking BACKGROUND[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> (I'm sorry)[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> hehehe[21:30] <%MK> Okay, one more drink then AMA[21:30] <%MK> Get 'em ready[21:30] <%MK> and don't cheat[21:30] <+Varanu> ...cheat?[21:30] <_stille_> how do you cheat at an AMA?[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> won't[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> ?[21:30] <+Varanu> how can you cheat at asking questions[21:30] <+SemblioSanctii> Subtley.[21:30] <%MK> some people here can cheat[21:30] <%MK> that's all[21:30] <Neradac> AMA? truly?[21:31] <%MK> truly[21:31] <%MK> anything but breaking NDA[21:31] <%MK> go[21:31] == Dovahkiin changed the topic of #memospore2 to: >>> #memospore2 <<< IAM Michael Kirkbride. AMA! | [url="http://stratosphe.re/projects/secunda"]http://stratosphe.re/projects/secunda[/url] | [RATICULUM] [url="http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f"]http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f[/url] | [QUOTES] [url="http://d.pr/eFr/53u80mA6"]http://d.pr/eFr/53u80mA6[/url] | [ARCHIVES] [url="http://d.pr/c7K9/4KzMhwW1"]http://d.pr/c7K9/4KzMhwW1[/url][21:31] <%MK> (and be ncie to one another)[21:31] <Mojo> Who or what is the Nu-Hatta?[21:31] <%MK> A moth-priest of high station.[21:31] <%MK> go[21:31] <Neradac> Clockwork city, what is its purpose?[21:32] <%MK> Sotha Sil never figured that out. But a fellow dunmer will.[21:32] <%MK> go[21:32] <+OPG> Are the ties/similarities between Molag Bal and the Sload intentional?[21:32] <%MK> no fucking clue there was one[21:32] <+RottenDeadite> • Biting: This term seems to mean one thing in the Lessons and another elsewhere.  Are they the same thing?  What the heck is Biting, basically?[21:32] <%MK> Borrowing[21:32] <%MK> go[21:32] <%MK> well wait[21:33] <%MK> Borrowing with no intention of keeping it as it was in its original form. that's more apt.[21:33] <%MK> now go[21:33] <Neradac> Dreaming Cavern, what was discussed in the meeting of Sotha Sil and the daedric princes?[21:33] <+RottenDeadite> Ah ookay that's better.[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe What are the hardware requirements for TalOS?[21:34] <%MK> I didn't write that. I...don't necessarily care for it.[21:34] <%MK> Chris, fff[21:34] <Neradac> Aw.[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> :D[21:34] <%MK> dummy[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Can you talk about Vivec's Children for me?[21:34] <%MK> 16[21:34] <Hermit_Qabal> What's the deal with inquiry trees?[21:34] <%MK> which question comes first?[21:34] <_stille_> in azura and the box, when did the alteration of the hidden object from a square sphere to a red flower happen in that text's history,and does the red flower mean amaranth or something connected?[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> The bit last night about the Treasure Wood Sword really knocked me on my ass.[21:34] <_stille_> whichever, we're not picky[21:35] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, dude, answer as you will[21:35] <%MK> stille, the Amaranth will be answered but not here. INFER[21:35] <%MK> Inquiry Trees? Not sure what you mean.[21:36] <Mojo> Sphinx Moth Inquiry Trees[21:36] <+RottenDeadite> Who or what is the Drowned Lamp?[21:36] <%MK> Azura in the box? I didn't write it.[21:36] <+OPG> Why didn't the ALMSIVI acquire plane(t) forms outside Nirn upon apotheosis, as Mannimarco did?[21:36] <%MK> Vivec's Children: they are all of the metaphors made real for hir to deal with before the Hortator.[21:36] <+Varanu> Wait, gender-neutral pronoun?[21:36] <+Varanu> :D[21:37] <_stille_> :D[21:37] <%MK> ALMSIVI got kilt or ran or had other ideas.[21:37] <Mojo> good catch[21:37] <Neradac> Where is the clockwork city? And if Sotha did not know its purpose, who built it?[21:37] <+RottenDeadite> Metaphors such as Moon Axle as... Structures of belief, I think?[21:37] <%MK> It's where he said it was, in that thing I did not write.[21:37] <Neradac> <.<[21:37] <+Varanu> Why was it ever /not/ a gender-neutral pronoun? I thought it was the male-as-default thing again, I was saddened.[21:37] <Mojo> When Vehk appeared from the Aether in the Loveletter, how did he do so?[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> In an old school map of Morrowind, Nera, there was a city named Sotha Sil I think.[21:38] <+Umpteen> Gender neutral not same as doubly gendered, methinks V[21:38] == Memospore759 [~Memospore@e8a4d95.2b32ee69.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #memospore2[21:38] <%MK> Well, kinda. But that lil asshole was made out of STRAIGHT LINES. That was a thing.[21:38] <+SemblioSanctii> hi 759[21:38] <+Varanu> Well, no, but there also wasn't switching of pronouns or anything. It was all male pronoun all the time.[21:38] <Memospore759> hi![21:38] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah the same lines used in wheels.  I'm having so much trouble with those children, man.[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> But talk about the Drowned Lamp, please.[21:38] <+Umpteen> ^[21:39] <%MK> @Mojo, that will be slightly answered in something I can't talk about. INFER.[21:39] <Mojo> I kind of figured. Okeee[21:39] <%MK> Drowned Lamp: Knowledge that is lost.[21:39] <Neradac> Are the elder scrolls fragments of Aka? since ada-mantia is a scroll case both and aka's capsule?[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Wait, what?  Then why does Vivec say that the Drowned Lamp is a possible "ending" for Cyrus?[21:40] <%MK> @Neredac, no the the former. Aka's capsule? Yes, it held one. A big one.[21:40] <Mojo> Cyrus could be lost, even in the history books[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooohhhh[21:40] <%MK> @Rotten, know-- jinx[21:40] <+OPG> Is Numinatus related to Pelinal?[21:40] <!Dovahkiin> What is the ultimate purpose of the Whirling School?[21:40] == Dovahkiin|Mobile [~AndChat41@ratcast.sr.mun] has joined #memospore2[21:40] == mode/#memospore2 [+oa Dovahkiin|Mobile Dovahkiin|Mobile] by Arena[21:41] <%MK> @OPG Numinatus in what form?[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> [Going mobile, I'll be watching][21:41] <Hermit_Qabal> Tsaesci: literal vampires?[21:41] <+OPG> Aka connections, time travel, weird left hand.[21:41] <+OPG> The form we've had a small glimpse of, I guess.[21:41] <%MK> @Morgan, That's in the Sermons. Nothing has changed.[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> Ok.[21:41] <%MK> @OPG, naw, just themes I like to keep doing[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Triangular Gate shaped thusly because of ALMSIVI or because of a different (but likely related) triune of forces?[21:42] <%MK> (But N v P might be fun)[21:42] <Neradac> hum[21:42] <%MK> The latter[21:42] <_stille_> is it the anticipations?[21:42] <_stille_> enantiomorph[21:42] <%MK> Which begs the question, who in the Triune is Anu?[21:42] <%MK> Go[21:42] <Mojo> Did Tosh Raka mantle Akatosh?[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> HAH[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Alma.[21:42] <Mojo> misfire[21:42] <%MK> @Mojo, yes[21:43] <%MK> @Mojo, but not in the sense that Tamriel has[21:43] <%MK> "has"[21:43] <+RottenDeadite> Is Narsis the City of the Dead?  Or Necrom?[21:43] <Neradac> Where did the khajiit originate from?[21:43] <%MK> Chris, that ain't even a question[21:44] <%MK> @Neredac, from an Earth Bone that had a fetish[21:44] <+RottenDeadite> Okay: "Love is under My Will Only."  Is Vivec saying that everyone else's will is the same as his own?  Or is this more of the I AM ALL ARE WE stuff?[21:44] <+SemblioSanctii> What is the (modern) status or position of the One in Cyrodiilic religion? Temple of the One, yet they all prattle on a bout the Divines without much respect towards any grand unity.[21:44] <Neradac> .-.[21:45] <%MK> @SS, I don't like the Temple of the One as a narrative construct. If only because its name is gay.[21:45] <+OPG> Do the Colovians have southern accents?[21:45] <+Varanu> lol[21:45] <%MK> @Chris: the clue is the word "my"[21:45] <Neradac> If the dwemer had the heart, why did (iirc) Kagrenac seemed to need to make a mantella?[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> OH SHIT[21:45] <_stille_> and the difference from Crowley's formulation I presume :P[21:45]  * RottenDeadite 's head explodes.[21:45] <%MK> 5[21:45] <+Varanu> Run, Rotten, write down theories.[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> DUDE[21:45] <+Umpteen> What's the revelation?[21:46] <_stille_> he can tell us after :P[21:46] <+Varanu> he's achieved enlightenment, he can't talk anymore[21:46] <Mojo> or zero summed[21:46] <+OPG> Does the God of Worms orbit Nirn or Arkay, or is it all arbitrary?[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> To MEHRUNES DAGON whose mistress is the Blazing Sun.[21:46] <_stille_> either that or he's zerosumming right this very moment[21:46] <%MK> Having the Heart was just circumstance. And btw they made a MERtella.[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> Who's Dagon's mistress?[21:46] <Neradac> hmm[21:46] <Hermit_Qabal> Why are beards important to the spiritual difference between menfolk and merfolk?[21:46] <%MK> HQ, lol[21:46] <%MK> that[21:46] <_stille_> yes HQ[21:46] <_stille_> that[21:47] <%MK> shit[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> hahaha[21:47] <+Varanu> HQ, what.[21:47] <%MK> that is an actual story[21:47] <+Varanu> Wait, really?[21:47] <Hermit_Qabal> yes[21:47] <+Varanu> do the Dwemer come into it?[21:47] <%MK> We've got three minutes, but yes...[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> Yes, Varanu, and also the lifespan of the races.[21:47] <+OPG> I thought you said 30 minutes of AMA?[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> First rule: MK lies ;)[21:47] <%MK> ...beards were mortals' first physical manifestation of argument stances. No joke.[21:48] <+Varanu> Sorry, Rotten. I have a thing about beards.[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Huh.[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> *sputter*[21:48] <%MK> this isn't 30 minutes?[21:48] <_stille_> ...if anyone asks about RL correspondences to the races I will murder you and murder you again until you learn better[21:48] <%MK> og[21:48] <%MK> er[21:48] <%MK> oh[21:48] <%MK> yeah, okay 12[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> I'll help, stille.[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Who is Mehrunes Dagon's mistress, the Blazing Sun?[21:48] <+Varanu> lol, stille.[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Surely not Magnus...?[21:48] <%MK> Kasper knows the beard myth. It will appear.[21:49] <%MK> @Chris, I give no fucks about that gay shit.[21:49] <Hermit_Qabal> cool[21:49] <%MK> go[21:49] <+RottenDeadite> HAH I was sure you'd written it :D[21:49] <+OPG> What are the Stones of Crystal-Like-Law, Falinesti, and Orichalc?[21:49] <%MK> Me? BLAZING SUN?[21:50] <%MK> CLL: A person. F: a fruit. O: a sword.[21:50] <_stille_> yeah are the stones stuff that's connected to lorkhan or something? like his heart, the cave of snow-throat[21:50] <%MK> go[21:50] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah because of... Lemmie find the pic.[21:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Is YR of the PGE1's marginal notes still around, and if so does he have any relevance to the present Thalmor situaiton?[21:50] <%MK> No, his story is over.[21:51] <%MK> His Severest Uncle's, however... hmmm[21:51] <%MK> go[21:51] <%MK> 9[21:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK is this not your artwork? [url="https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6r04zvwoc1ob3z/Armor01.jpg"]https://www.dropbox....b3z/Armor01.jpg[/url][21:51] <+RottenDeadite> Might not be, just making sure.[21:51] <_stille_> what happened to Xal?[21:52] <%MK> Yeah, that's me[21:52] <_stille_> and is Divayth Fyr still around? Yagrum Bagarn?[21:52] <Hermit_Qabal> Thalmor - Woodsy connection (Mora: forest) or somethingsomething Elhnofex Hermy tentacleshit?[21:52] <+Varanu> oh, stille. good one with Divayth Fyr.[21:52] <+RottenDeadite> Then "The Face of the Husband of Fire" was what led me to believe the Blazing Sun was your thing.[21:52] <%MK> Xal? No idea. DF: Not my department. YB: Just wait til you see where he is. INFER.[21:53] <%MK> HQ, yes, a connection[21:53] <%MK> Remember[21:53] <+OPG> Why did the Kothringi move from Cyrod to Black Marsh? Was it Tiber's dejungling, or did the populations just settle in different spots and become distinct over time?[21:53] <%MK> Morag Tong meant "Forester's Guild" -- and FUCKING CUT THEM WEEDS[21:53] <+RottenDeadite> O_O[21:53] <Mojo> What's the connection between Mankar and Vivec saying this: “Whisper to earth and earth, where the meddlers take no stones except to blood, as blood IS blood, and to the cracking of bone, as bone IS bone, and so to crack and answer and fall before the one and one, I call you Dragon as brother and king.”[21:53] == owlsowlsowls [webchat@355d5b65.cc59707.34c8b132.e8a4d95X] has joined #memospore2[21:54] <+SemblioSanctii> hi owls![21:54] <+Varanu> owwwwwls[21:54] <_stille_> what was the name given at birth to the chimer that later became Vivec?[21:54] <%MK> @OPG, Kothringi have been around way too long for me to answer that properly[21:54] == mode/#memospore2 [+v owlsowlsowls] by Arena[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> stille: Vehk?[21:54] <+Varanu> It ain't Vehk.[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> Oh no wait nm[21:54] <+Umpteen> In Sermon 0...[21:54] <%MK> @Mojo, that's an actual Mesopotaslkjdklasjdlskjdalksj curse I "bited"[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Oooh cool![21:55] <+Varanu> Hah.[21:55] <%MK> Sermon 0 can suck my dick[21:55] <Mojo> SWEET[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> hehe[21:55] <+Umpteen> That's the poinr]t[21:55] <+Umpteen> oops[21:55] <%MK> 5[21:55] <+OPG> Were the Sload going to be in Morrowind?[21:55] <%MK> Yes[21:55] <+OPG> I fukken knew it[21:55] <%MK> lol[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Why did Tiber reinstate lunar exploration?  And why did he stop?[21:56] <%MK> That's in CvT. Can't answer that yet.[21:56] <+SemblioSanctii> Whatever DID make the left-handed elves so sinistral?[21:56] <+OPG> On that note, how did he gather the resources?[21:56] <+OPG> oh, nvm[21:56] <%MK> @SS, They Fought Different[21:56] <%MK> that's a thing in Yoku[21:56] <%MK> go[21:56] <%MK> 4[21:56] <_stille_> not getting an answer to mine?[21:57] <Memospore471> Who betrayed Sancre Tor to Talos?[21:57] <+OPG> Is Y'ffre/Jephre significantly tied to Kyne/Kynareth?[21:57] <%MK> we'll save it stille, I'll answer, pinky swear[21:57] <_stille_> ok[21:57] <_stille_> thank you[21:57] <+RottenDeadite> Oh that'll be awesome[21:57] <%MK> @471, Talos did[21:57] <+OPG> (As in, like, separate aspects of the same monolith n' all that)[21:57] <Memospore759> what's up with the Tharnatos nowadays?[21:57] <%MK> 3[21:58] <%MK> @OPG, not that I'm aware of or working on[21:58] <%MK> @759, his story is over[21:58] <Hermit_Qabal> Been a gas.[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> In Ehlnofex, what does AI mean?[21:58] == Hermit_Qabal [webchat@1654620b.2c5db252.yolau.net] has quit [Quit: ][21:58] <+Varanu> seeya, HQ[21:58] <+Varanu> ....[21:58] <%MK> AE or AI?[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> AI[21:59] <Mojo> What is the Breaking mentioned in the Magne-Ge text?[21:59] <%MK> It's 'fex, hard to say. Say it really fucking loud and figure it out. seriously.[21:59] <+OPG> 'eeeyyyy!!![21:59] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm...[21:59] <%MK> Breaking: Magnus left[21:59] <%MK> 1[21:59] <+SemblioSanctii> Followup, is there much more ehlnofex thought of or written out than what we've seen?[22:00] <+OPG> Skyrim MQ; Alduin ending the kalpa or playing petty dictator?[22:00] <+SemblioSanctii> I mean, that's actually been considered.[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> Dammit dude at some point please write something about the Walking Ways.[22:00] <Mojo> What is Magnus doing lately?[22:00] <_stille_> seconding Rotten[22:00] <%MK> Everyone gets one more, stille gets two, one of which is her first[22:00] <%MK> STOP[22:00] <%MK> My hands can't type that fast[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> :D[22:00] <%MK> Okay, convene and go[22:01] <%MK> piss-making[22:01] <%MK> brb[22:01] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Thinking over a cheese quesadilla.[22:01] <%MK> (ha)[22:02] <+RottenDeadite> Confirm or Deny: Hurling Disk = Amaranth?[22:02] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?[22:02] <%MK> one at a time[22:03] <%MK> stille goes first with her first[22:03] == Memospore471 [webchat@1a8c5c1c.33b18cfd.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 361 seconds][22:03] <+Varanu> bye, bird :([22:03] <%MK> (Can't be bothered to scroll)[22:03] <+RottenDeadite> :([22:03] <_stille_> you mean the red flower one in azura and the box you said you won't answer yet?[22:04] <%MK> Red box/flower is easy: wasn't me. Don't care.[22:04] <%MK> Next.[22:04] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Hurling Disk the Amaranth?[22:04] <%MK> no[22:04]  * RottenDeadite nods.[22:04] <%MK> (less one)[22:04] <%MK> go[22:05] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?[22:05] <%MK> wow, this is a good one[22:05] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah[22:06] <%MK> It would be a cop out to say that there was just history of knowledge getting the way...[22:07] <%MK> ...but there IS something important there. Let me convene with the actual writer of the Sermons and get back to you. You get a bonus one for that.[22:07] <+RottenDeadite> hah[22:07] <Mojo> Mnemoli- does it have to do with knowledge or memory of failed Amaranth?[22:07] <Neradac> Who is Alinor? Or if he wasnt someone, whats the insect god the thalmor so lovingly worship?[22:08] <%MK> @Mojo, that's a wide net you got there. Narrow it.[22:08] <Mojo> hmmm[22:08] <%MK> @Neredac, It's the oldest name of the Set. It wasn't a person in the sense you mean.[22:09] <+myrrlyn> (taken from the community) Was there really a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, or was the actual truth just so strange that people could not agree on the transpired events?[22:10] <%MK> Okay, first ask yourself if you really want me to answer that.[22:10] <%MK> @Mojo: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic[/url][22:10] <+myrrlyn> eh, probably not[22:10] <+myrrlyn> What is the Second Walking Way?[22:10] <Mojo> I redact my question. I don't want it answered anymore[22:11] <%MK> @myrrlyn, the long road that the enemy always puts before you but you walk it anyway[22:11] <+RottenDeadite> O_O[22:11] <Mojo> holy shit[22:11] <_stille_> we broke Rotten[22:11] <Mojo> Back to the drawingboard for me[22:11] <%MK> ha[22:11]  * RottenDeadite drools a little...[22:12] <+Varanu> Rotten is having far too exciting an evening.[22:12] <%MK> next[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Did any important organs/organ-analogues of Lorkh's besides the Heart (and excluding ebony godsblood) survive, and if so might they be present on the moons?[22:12] <+RottenDeadite> IT'S ALL ADDING UP BABY[22:12] <%MK> (I really want a cheese quesadilla)[22:12] <+myrrlyn> share with the class, bud[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> ok, back[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> quesadilla was delicious, and chipotle is fast[22:12] <_stille_> you'll have to tell us what's it all adding up to, Rotten :P[22:12] <%MK> @SS, yep, a buncha his shit is up in them motherfuckers[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool.[22:13] <%MK> (That's not really an answer, but you already knew his body was both of 'em)[22:14] <%MK> Also, he'll make an appearance in [NUMINIT][22:14] <%MK> next[22:14] <Mojo> Replacement question- Have we seen "N" yet?[22:14] <%MK> Didn't I answer that last night?[22:14] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, didn't you?[22:14] <Mojo> You answered if N was the new man[22:14] <!Dovahkiin> Yes, you did[22:14] <Mojo> Aw shit[22:14] <%MK> What did I say?[22:14] <+myrrlyn> "that's what it means yeah"[22:15] <%MK> I mean what I say. snort.[22:15] <%MK> next[22:15] <%MK> stille has one more, if I'm not wrong[22:15] <Neradac> wait, is road 2 sort of being doom-driven then?[22:15] <_stille_> "Then Wulfharth said: "Don't you see where you really are? Don't you know who Shor really is? Don't you know what this war is?" And they looked from the King to the God to the Devils and Orcs, and some knew, really knew, and they are the ones that stayed."[22:15] <%MK> anyone silent can make me a quesadilla[22:15] <_stille_> what did they really knew[22:15] <+OPG> I haven't gone, either.[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later Nera.[22:16] <_stille_> know even[22:16]  * _stille_ can't type[22:16] <%MK> nice one[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> I've been waiting for that one :)[22:16] <%MK> They were inside the Dragon Break of the Red Moment[22:16] <Mojo> snap[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> OHHHHHHHH[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> asdfasdfasdfasd[22:16] <+Varanu> O_o[22:16] <_stille_> oh dear[22:16] <+Varanu> I thought you weren't going to answer that one.[22:17] <%MK> AMA[22:17] <%MK> (Cept not really)[22:17] <+OPG> Okay, mine.[22:17] <%MK> I guess that kinda answers the one myrlynn was asking too[22:17] <+OPG> What is Sithis?[22:17] <%MK> oops[22:17] <%MK> My Sithis?[22:17] <+RottenDeadite> Yes.[22:17] <+OPG> yep[22:18] <%MK> At its basest, it would be complete and utter misanthropy[22:19] <Neradac> Whats the meaning of the mix-ups between auri-el and Anui-el?[22:19] <%MK> It's a hole[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> And yet it's the start of all houses...?[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH[22:19] <%MK> That's how you... right.[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH I think I get it.[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> That's how you seperate yourself from other people.[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Houses divide people.[22:19] <Mojo> ^[22:19] <_stille_> :D[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Sithis is the inspiration for seperation.[22:19] <%MK> @Neredac, you had yours[22:19]  * RottenDeadite does a little dance.[22:20] <Neradac> ah well :P[22:20] <%MK> Are we all done? Did Morgan go?[22:20] <+myrrlyn> i dont think so no[22:20] <+RottenDeadite> No Morgan's thinking.[22:20] <%MK> Otherwise, Imma bow out.[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> V has one, I'm thinking. Still.[22:20] <%MK> Go, V.[22:20] <+Varanu> I haven't gone either, but I'm sort of mourning the Dragon Break at Red Mountain thing.[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> (I think V has one)[22:21] <%MK> Why mourning?[22:21] <+Varanu> I had a long complicated fan theory about the whole thing ;)[22:21] <+Varanu> as one does[22:21] <+RottenDeadite> Not NEARLY as complex as my Sithis theory V :D[22:21] <%MK> Remember always that your Nerevine gets to decide and no one else.[22:21] <+Varanu> I was going to ask you who /really/ struck the Heart, Nerevar or Kagrenac, but if it was a Dragon Break...[22:22] <%MK> If it was a Dragon Break, you get to tell me[22:22] <+Varanu> ah, I suppose :)[22:22] <%MK> You got one if you want it.[22:23] <Neradac> brb[22:23] <%MK> I really gotta call it at 10:30[22:23] <Mojo> Yeah what happened to dinner?[22:23] <+Varanu> ...why is Vivec so consistently presented as masculine, if he's a hermaphrodite?[22:23] <+Varanu> Male pronouns, male appearance in game, etc.[22:23] <%MK> oh, V, just...wait for it.[22:23] <%MK> INFER[22:24] <+Varanu> But it /is/ a thing?[22:24] <%MK> it probably is the BEST thing[22:24] <+Varanu> It's not just "characters are male unless specifically stated otherwise" oh YAY[22:24] <%MK> not at all[22:24] <+Varanu> :)[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> What's with all the musical connotations behind Elder Scrolls? You said last night that tonal architecture is similar to synaesthesia, but there's obviously something greater at play here.[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> [e.g. attuning spheres, etc][22:25] <%MK> You mean like, I dunno, the name of "C0DA"?[22:25] <+RottenDeadite> OH FUCK ME[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, I'm still figuring that stuff out[22:25] <%MK> lol[22:26] <%MK> I can't really answer that without sounding like a fag[22:26] <%MK> give me a moment[22:26] <+myrrlyn> get your gay on then. it's fun.[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> And, yeah, Coda = finale. I *knew* that. But...[22:26] <Neradac> oh gawd..[22:26] <Mojo> Finale isn't totally correct[22:26] <+RottenDeadite> [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_(music"]http://en.wikipedia....iki/Coda_(music[/url])[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> "closing piece"[22:26] <+Varanu> It's not really /quite/ a finale.[22:26] <+RottenDeadite> For the techincally minded.[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> yeah[22:26] <+myrrlyn> yeah it's more of a denouement, i guess?[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> I was about to link that[22:26] <+Varanu> Oh man. You know what would be /amazing/?[22:27] <+Varanu> Landfall fugue.[22:27] <+Varanu> I would listen to that /for ever/.[22:27] <Mojo> It's an ending that is separate from the rest of the piece[22:27] <%MK> seriously, hold and I'll answer the music question[22:28] <_stille_> we're holding, we're just holding while chattering excitedly at each other like kids on Christmas day waiting for the big present to be opened :P[22:29] <%MK> don't get too worked up[22:29] <%MK> Tamriel[22:29] <%MK> Starry Heart[22:29] <%MK> That whole fucking thing is a song[22:30] <%MK> It was made either out of 12 planets[22:30] <%MK> or from two brothers that split in the womb[22:30] <%MK> either way, it's the primal wail[22:30] <%MK> and those that grew up on it[22:30] <%MK> they can't help but hear it[22:31] <%MK> and add to it[22:31]  * _stille_ is playing the Sunshine adagio from here and recommends you do so too [media=]http://vimeo.com/45878034[/media][22:31] <%MK> or try to control it[22:31] <%MK> or run from it[22:31] <Mojo> Seems so obvious now[22:31] <Neradac> hah[22:31] <%MK> the reason there IS music on Tamriel at ALL[22:31] <%MK> is because it exists[22:31]  * Varanu is listening to the Fugue in D Minor on harpsichord. Sunshine adagio will have to wait.[22:31] <%MK> it was and is[22:32] <%MK> and it will not stop[22:32] <%MK> there are repeats in it[22:32] == memospore2939 [webchat@2d34f077.a763dad.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #memospore2[22:32] <Mojo> I have to get going guys. Talk to you all tomorrow. and Thanks MK for the advice and offers and of course spoilers[22:32] <Mojo> Take care[22:32] <%MK> plays on a tune[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> (hi 2939)[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> cya mojo[22:32] <%MK> variations[22:32] <%MK> and most likely[22:32] == Mojo has changed nick to Mojo_AFK[22:33] <%MK> Magnus?[22:33] <%MK> he's the one that made the fucker[22:33] <%MK> and now that's why he looks back on it[22:33] <%MK> every single day[22:33] <%MK> that's his promise[22:33] <%MK> when you wake up, I will still listen[22:33] <%MK> I'm sorry I left[22:33] <%MK> but hey[22:33] <_stille_> what about Magnus?[22:34] <%MK> I'm still right up here[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later stille[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Aurbis is Love.[22:34] <%MK> And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then.[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Amaranth is Love.[22:34] <%MK> and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around[22:34] <%MK> the last real moment[22:35] <%MK> The Mnemoli?[22:35] <%MK> They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls.[22:35] <%MK> They cannot be fixed until seen.[22:35] <%MK> And they cannot be seen until a moment.[22:35] <%MK> And you, your hero, makes that moment,[22:35] <%MK> Does that make sense?[22:35] <+Umpteen> A lot.[22:35] <_stille_> yes[22:35] <%MK> Cuz I'm done.[22:35] <!Dovahkiin> Yes[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> I... yeah.[22:35] <+myrrlyn> that[22:35] <+myrrlyn> was[22:35] <Neradac> da[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> thanks[22:36] <+Varanu> 's pretty :)[22:36] <+myrrlyn> beautiful[22:36] <_stille_> I'd hug you were we in the same room.[22:36] <+OPG> huh[22:36] <+Umpteen> So, that solar library.[22:36] <%MK> Thanks for a good question to end on, Morgan.[22:37] <!Dovahkiin> Best answer. Thank you.[22:37] <%MK> lol fuck off, umpteen. I can't do more than that tonight.[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe[22:37] <+Varanu> lol[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Going to bed.[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Thank you so much, MK.[22:37] <%MK> one second, Chris[22:37] <%MK> Think about the last scene in C0DA[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I FUCKING AM DUDE :D[22:37] <%MK> And ask me about music again.[22:37] <%MK> lol.[22:38] <!Dovahkiin> who are you talking to? :P[22:38] <+RottenDeadite> It's the formula of the tetragrammatron[22:38] <%MK> "I wrote of this in a [future] life"[22:38] <%MK> no spoilers[22:38] <%MK> But yeah. Last scene. Last page. There's your music. There's your coda to the last time around.[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> I'm gonna sleep and dream the greatest stuff ever.[22:39] <%MK> Time to make new moments.[22:39] <%MK> Best place for it.[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> ...[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Oh.[22:39] <%MK> Dream, people.[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> Goodnight, all![22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Night, RD[22:39] == RottenDeadite [~RottenDea@371cd19e.18251e65.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving][22:39] <+Varanu> night, Rotten :)[22:39] <+Varanu> ...[22:39] <+Varanu> again[22:39] <%MK> aight. I'm out too.[22:39] <+Varanu> seeya :)[22:39] <+Umpteen> K bye have fun[22:39] <_stille_> night Rotten[22:40] <+Varanu> ty stille[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> Thanks and see ya.[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Cya MK[22:40] <%MK> We could do this on reddit, but I fear them.[22:40] <+myrrlyn> teslore's pretty nice this time of year[22:40] <%MK> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DWEMER?[22:40] <+Varanu> makes sense, they are all savage beasts over there[22:40] <+Varanu> lol[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> If it's a live one, PoPs & co[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Mods would remove that crap[22:40] <%MK> HOW LONG DO ELVES LIVE?[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> can beat down inanity very well[22:40] <+myrrlyn> god dammit now you gave them another century[22:40] <_stille_> WHAT ARE THE RW EQUIVALENT TO TES RACES?!?![22:41]  * _stille_ stabs herself in the eye[22:41] <+Varanu> If Stormcloak Vivec and Imperial Tiber Septim had a fight, who would win and where would the loser's soul go after he died?[22:41] <%MK> Maybe we will. But there's something about writing live that it wouldn't replace.[22:41] <%MK> lol[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> lol Varanu[22:41] <%MK> talk soon.[22:41] <%MK> night.[22:41] <+SemblioSanctii> night[22:41] <_stille_> night[22:41] == MK [~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ][22:41] <_stille_> well, morning[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Var, they would kill each other, then hold hands together as they skip merrily into /r/shittyteslore[22:42] <+Varanu> there are exactly nineteen minutes left until morning for me.[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> lol[22:42] <+Umpteen> I need to fight now[22:42] == memospore2939 [webchat@2d34f077.a763dad.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed][22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Aw.[22:42] <+Varanu> Sembz, would they then proceed to make out?[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> of course.[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> messily.[22:42] <+Varanu> :D[22:42] <+myrrlyn> and reacharounds[22:42] <+myrrlyn> cant forget those[22:42] == Toesock [~IceChat77@25b55acd.18d12617.home3.cgocable.net] has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that][22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> While Wulfhearth and Ayem worked the cameras.[22:43] <+Varanu> that is no longer making out.[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> hmm, RD might have read it too[22:43] <+myrrlyn> not with THAT attitude[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> :P[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> looks that way[22:43] <+Varanu> wat, myrr[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> Iiiiiinteresting. Very iiinteresting.[22:43] <+Varanu> I am never making out with you.[22:43] <_stille_> what's Sotha doing however?[22:43] <+Varanu> I mean. I wasn't going to anyway.[22:43] <+Varanu> But still.[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Sotha's in the corner with Nerevar's mask.[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Still.[22:43] == Umpteen [~Thththth@1f06bfc3.2e01205d.159b2242.31478372X] has left #Memospore2 [Leaving][22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Staring into your soul.[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> "mask"[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> face*[22:43] <+Varanu> The Red Moment orgy is canon.[22:44] <+Varanu> Next time MK shows up I'm showing it to him.[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> lol[22:44] <+Varanu> Someone dare me.[22:44] <_stille_> I dare you[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Double'd.[22:44] <+Varanu> lol[22:44] <+OPG> I triple dog dare you.[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> How would an orgy work during a Dragon Break?[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Just out of the blue.[22:44] <+myrrlyn> how WOULDN'T it work[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> All possible combinations of sex attempted[22:45] <+OPG> I nonuple dog dare yo, Var[22:45] <+Varanu> OK.[22:45]  * Varanu rereads the sucker[22:46] <+SemblioSanctii> Right, so. Dunno about you guys but I'm not drafting 140-char bits or looking for images until tomorrow.[22:46] <_stille_> also is it me or there;s a moment in some obscure text (perhaps the Hogithum Hall RP) where there's some mentions of the one who'd become Vivec and his black hands as he touches the Heart in that one red moment?[22:46] <+Varanu> I think so.[22:46] <+Varanu> At least it sounds familiar.[22:46] <_stille_> yah I know[22:46] <+myrrlyn> i can check hogi[22:46] <_stille_> please do[22:46] <Neradac> So aka, biggest scroll of them all[22:46] <Neradac> and what are the set[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.[22:48] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.[22:48] <+myrrlyn> only instance of "red moment" in text[22:48] <+Varanu> I am so happy about the pronouns thing, by the way.[22:48] <+SemblioSanctii> in the entire trial or just the ending bit? /pedantic for certanity[22:49] <+Varanu> It makes my brain buzz slightly.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> whole thing[22:49] <+SemblioSanctii> kk[22:49] <+myrrlyn> As Vehk and Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Know that with the Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie.[22:49] <+myrrlyn> full quote, srry

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16:13 You have joined the channel16:13 Mojo has joined (~Mojo@2142b218.3d9ffd99.il.comcast.net)16:13 Topic: >>> #memospore2 <<< Time Zero | <a class="bbc_url" href="http://stratosphe.re/projects/secunda" rel="nofollow external" title="Lien externe">http://stratosphe.re/projects/secunda | [RATICULUM] [url="http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f"]http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f[/url] | [QUOTES] [url="http://d.pr/eFr/53u80mA6"]http://d.pr/eFr/53u80mA6[/url] | [ARCHIVES] [url="http://d.pr/c7K9/4KzMhwW1"]http://d.pr/c7K9/4KzMhwW1[/url]16:13 Dovahkiin set the topic at: Oct 15, 2013 11:18 PM16:13 Mode: +tnr16:13 Created at: Mar 13, 2013 10:38 PM16:13 Sifrael_: no, thx16:13 Cider: I think that's an extremely important question16:14 Cider: like traditionalist nords shunning Dunmer, traditionalist dunmer shunning nord and argonians and just the relationship between the dunmer and argonians being a very harsh and unstable one16:14 Cider: along with Orsimer and bretons and crown and forebears16:15 Sifrael_: wel, all the questions about the variety inside the races are important. t's one of the worst thing, the homogenization : one dunmer style, only imperial, no forebears/crowns, or only the 8 divines and no moth16:15 Cider: Yea that would be annoying16:15 Cider: OH16:15 Cider: "Will there be additional bonuses for whatever group who controls the Moth Priests?"16:16 Cider: because technically we wouldn't be able to use the scrolls without the priests on our side16:16 Sifrael_: wait... taking the control of moth priest... typical cyrodilic thing.... they can't do that16:16 Sifrael_: well, giving scrolls to every faction is crazy16:16 Cider: well not really taking over16:17 Cider: but governing them16:17 Sifrael has left IRC (Ping timeout: 363 seconds)16:17 Cider: the priests would still be a group they just are on a side16:17 Sifrael_: Wait, I have just seen me leaving !16:18 Cider: xD16:18 Cider: oh wait16:18 Cider: did they announce naval combat?16:18 Sifrael_: I don't remeber of it16:18 Cider: Naval combat would be interesting16:18 Cider: Hmm what else16:19 Cider: OH16:19 Sifrael_: oh, question : will ESO be in a dragon break, in order to justify we don't care of what is said about lore inside?16:19 Varanu_afk is now known as Varanu16:19 Cider: "Will races be able to go on a pilgrimage of their choice in religion?"16:19 Mojo: Serpent Break is my theory16:19 Guest6570266 has joined (~Rhobot@3d8d9d00.113ade0c.in.comcast.net)16:19 Guest6570266 is now known as Rhoman16:19 Sifrael_: Because of the constellaion of the serpent said to take all the place in the sky?16:20 Varanu: actually16:20 Varanu is now known as Varanu_semiAFK16:20 Mojo: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1hy82d/serpent_break_a_theory_for_eso/"]http://www.reddit.co...theory_for_eso/[/url]16:20 Rhoman is now known as Rhobot16:20 Sifrael_: I thought the eruption of Red Mountain could mean at least a Dragon break. Good thing for lore 
 :)16:21 Cider: and "Do you plan on allowing more then one type of faction being joinable later on in the series? I.e. Morag tong, companions, chaphill tong"16:21 Sifrael_: well, yes, Mage Guild in Morrowind or Alinor....16:22 Cider: it makes no real sense16:22 Cider: hell16:22 Cider: it doesn't make sense for those guilds to be outside of cyrodiil16:22 Cider: especially during a war where everyone is bumrushing Cyrod16:23 Cider: and DB in Morrowind makes no sense16:23 Sifrael_: there's DB in Morrowind - Tribunal16:23 TC01: Have the guilds ever made sense?16:24 Cider: Not really16:24 TC01: Yeah :/16:24 Cider: the guilds change philosophies with each game16:24 Sifrael_: But the worst is in the summurste isles - Anuic elves letting Sithis worshipers in their lands?16:24 Cider: Yea16:24 Cider: OH BRINGS UP AN IMPORTANT QUESTION16:25 Cider: "Will the city of Alinor be only accessible to Altmer?"16:25 KohtupyTamriel has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)16:26 Sifrael_: It should, yes, but no. buildings are not made of dream, so, why would Altmer prevent argonians or dunmer to go in Alinor?16:26 TC01: Alinor isn't even in the game at the beginning though... no?16:26 TC01: Unless something has changed?16:26 Sifrael_: ok, so, shouldn't ask this one.16:27 Cider: "Why is the Lusty Argonian Maid in the second era when it was written in the late third era?"16:27 Sifrael_: because it is what lore will be reduced to : lusty books for lusty players?16:27 TC01: something something Curio reinterpreted a folk tale16:27 TC01: I think they said something like that16:28 Thrice-Croked: a folk tale about porn16:28 Thrice-Croked: silly 16:28 Cider: ...16:28 Thrice-Croked: but it kinda works...16:28 Thrice-Croked: also Cider alinor aint in the game16:28 Cider: I don't buy it16:29 Cider: it's clearly not a folk tale by the way the NPCs in Morrowind talk16:29 Cider: even the actor doesn't know about it16:29 Rhobot has left IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds)16:29 Cider: if it was a folk tale wouldn't an actor know it? 16:29 Thrice-Croked: you know it may very well be not a morrowind folk tale...16:29 Cider: the actor wasn't a dunmer16:29 MarcusFlavi has left IRC (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( [url="http://www.androirc.com"]http://www.androirc.com[/url] ))16:30 Thrice-Croked: it could be a nibenese folk tale... or something else the actor didnt know.16:30 Thrice-Croked: you know all things considered its a bad excuse16:30 Cider: It still an idiotic cop out16:30 Thrice-Croked: but its an ewxcuse16:30 Cider: take the fucking book out16:30 Cider: it won't hurt the game16:30 Sifrael_: [url="http://2ch.hk/tes/src/1380210301345.jpg"]http://2ch.hk/tes/sr...80210301345.jpg[/url]16:30 Thrice-Croked: make fucking cyrod a jungle16:30 Thrice-Croked: do fucking khajiit subraces16:30 Cider: you're breaking lore and destroying something by claiming it's just a fucking folk tale16:31 Thrice-Croked: Sifrael did schick actually say that?16:31 Sifrael_: I believe - in a video, but I found some complaints about it, so16:32 Thrice-Croked: cause i dont think he actually said that16:32 Mojo is now known as Mojo_LogTracker16:32 Thrice-Croked: i dont think ZOS would dare to put Bethesda in this bad spot16:32 Thrice-Croked: also ESO is all things considered as much a "retelling" as the other games since the distances are not geographically correct16:32 TC01: Even if he thinks that, I can't imagine him actually coming out and saying it16:33 Sifrael_: just found this : [url="http://www.cgalliance.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-47124.html"]http://www.cgallianc...hp/t-47124.html[/url]16:34 Cider: yea...16:34 Sifrael_: Don't know if it is serious [url="http://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=36585"]http://forums.uesp.n...hp?f=44&t=36585[/url]16:34 Cider: here is the problem16:34 Cider: Bethesda has more right to say what is a "faniful potryal" then zenimax online16:34 Sifrael_: I, likewise, can find no evidence he actually said that, only that people believe he did. 16:35 Sifrael_: It seems no one on the UESP found the source.16:40 Sif_losing_connection has joined (webchat@3231975e.246a3fd8.abo.wanadoo.fr)16:42 Thrice-Croked: yeah16:42 Thrice-Croked: this is BS16:42 Thrice-Croked: im pretty sure this is an elaborate troll16:42 Thrice-Croked: it sound slike something he would say 16:42 Thrice-Croked: like16:42 Thrice-Croked: the words hes using16:42 Thrice-Croked: but i doubt he said that16:43 TC01: Probably someone trying to drum up more hatred for Schick in the lore community16:43 Thrice-Croked: like there is any need for that....16:43 Thrice-Croked: as if there wasnt enaugh reasons to hate him already16:43 Sif_losing_connection: unnecessary16:44 Sifrael_ has left IRC (Ping timeout: 361 seconds)16:44 Sif_losing_connection: by by myself!16:44 Sif_losing_connection: XDD16:53 Thrice-Croked: good night folks16:53 Varanu_semiAFK: night TC16:55 Sif_losing_connection: night'16:58 Sif_losing_connection: ok, I won't stay for long, too.16:59 Thrice-Croked has left IRC (Ping timeout: 361 seconds)17:10 minimyrr has joined (~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X)17:10 Arena has changed mode: +v minimyrr17:11 minimyrr: mentlegen17:11 minimyrr: varanu17:11 minimyrr: hello17:23 MarcusFlavi has joined (~androirc@22cbf9e3.141bd0a1.direct-adsl.nl)17:23 minimyrr: holly17:23 MarcusFlavi: Hey17:25 minimyrr: how's things17:27 MarcusFlavi: Nothing much actually, you?17:27 minimyrr: just got back to trine17:27 minimyrr: i should do some homework17:27 minimyrr: but17:27 minimyrr: i ain't gonna17:28 MarcusFlavi: I know that feel17:32 Mojo_LogTracker is now known as Mojo17:38 Sif_losing_connection: so, bye!17:39 Sif_losing_connection: However, I have some question to ask to MK. I won't be there if he passes this night, if some of them seem relevant to you (well, most are at least a bit  weird) , could you ask him? 17:39 Mojo: Bye sif17:39 Mojo: Sure17:39 Sif_losing_connection: thx17:39 Sif_losing_connection: 1) is the presence of "CODA" in this arcturian heresy intended, or only a transciption error [url="http://lagbt.wiwiland.net/wikibiblio/index.php/L%27h%C3%A9r%C3%A9sie_arcturienne"]http://lagbt.wiwilan...sie_arcturienne[/url]	 In  fact, a lot of texts in the french version have parts added, removed,  or changed. Is it because the translator did his job too fast, or is it  under - or against - your (and some other writers) will it was done, and  not implemented in some l17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 2) I present here [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1473269-crusaders-and-crosses/?p=23001722"]http://forums.bethso...ses/?p=23001722[/url]  what I think about crusaders - in short, "the sword is the cross" makes  me think crusader have something to do with the "sword at the center"? With all the tsaesci, dunmer, and imperials crusader, I liked this idea.17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 3) There's a link between a lot of characters. Is there somthing to dig there ;  mnemoli,  memory, Leki (through the Ephemeral Feint, which seems to be linked to  dragon break - and mnemoli comes during dragon breaks), and Makela Leki  (who records her memory in a memory stone - linked to the mnemolichite   of Hahd?) then,  the scrarab ; it  takes the place of the Steed in redguard  constellations, and I believe it is int17:40 SemblioAbsentiiInVeritas is now known as SemblioSemiAbsentii17:40 Sif_losing_connection: then,  the scrarab ; it  takes the place of the Steed in redguard  constellations, and I believe it is intended. Then, in the sermons,  pledging his soul to the Frame-maker, the Scarab. Scarab-Framer being a  Magne-Ge under the sign of Y, the sign of Mnemoli.17:40 SemblioSemiAbsentii: hello all17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 4)  In the sword-meeting of Cyrus and Tiber, Cyrus is compared with the  Nerevarine, with the use of Hoonding. If we said Make-Way God, instead  of Hoonding, is it closer of why the Nerevarine is a highway which  should be waried? (note  about this ; it is to know if the theory nerevarine = make way god =  making the way for the dunmer can truly be forgotten, or not)17:41 Sif_losing_connection: Hello.17:41 Sif_losing_connection: A bit long, yes, but take the part you think will be interesting17:41 Sif_losing_connection: and, of course, we are not even sure the Elk will have time to answer!17:42 Sif_losing_connection: bye, memospore17:42 SemblioSemiAbsentii: cya17:42 Sif_losing_connection has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)17:44 Dovahkiin: Resonance17:45 Dovahkiin: Idea about the Towers: they're tuning forks.17:45 minimyrr: ooooOOOOOOOHHHHHHH17:45 minimyrr: whoa17:45 minimyrr: i like17:45 Dovahkiin: Void is noise.17:45 Dovahkiin: Towers make the noise resonate17:45 Dovahkiin: Removing a Tower's stone stops it from resonating17:45 Mojo: Question, how many tones did Kagrenac make?17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: uh17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: I forget. :\17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: there's the... 15 and One golden tones, right?17:46 Dovahkiin: yes17:46 Mojo: Okedoke17:46 Dovahkiin: How many Towers do we know?17:47 minimyrr: 2 divine17:47 SemblioSemiAbsentii: ...eight, I think? Nine if we propose one in Black Marsh/Hist as Tower etc.17:47 minimyrr: i can only think of six artificial17:47 minimyrr: seven, yokuda17:47 minimyrr: are we counting numidium?17:47 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Should, I think.17:47 Dovahkiin: Yes, let's17:47 Dovahkiin: Also, it always seems to create dragon breaks anyway17:48 minimyrr: Ada-Mantia, Red Mountain.17:48 minimyrr: Crystal Like Law, Green Sap17:48 minimyrr: White Gold, Snow Throat17:48 minimyrr: Khajiit17:48 minimyrr: Numidium17:48 minimyrr: Orichalc17:50 MarcusFlavi: Hmm eight would be perfect (octave)17:50 MarcusFlavi: But 8+1 could work17:50 SemblioSemiAbsentii: 'jiit tower is most recent, after all.17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Not counting activations/reactivations of Walk brass17:51 minimyrr: +1 gets tagged on to pretty much every mythic perfect-number, really17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Or -117:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: (18 less one, The Victor)17:51 MarcusFlavi: Yeah, and eight mortal-made one divine is explainable17:51 minimyrr: two mortal17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Two divine*17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: But17:51 minimyrr: Ada Mantia, Red Mountain17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Eight successors17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: one archetype17:52 MarcusFlavi: Yeah ok, but one really on purpose17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Red Mountain is a consequence of Adamantia, in a way,.17:52 Dovahkiin: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/TheDominion/comments/1okyy9/any_and_all_mk_ama_answers_we_find_noteworthy/cctwg00?context=2"]http://www.reddit.co...twg00?context=2[/url]17:52 MarcusFlavi: I mean red mountain kinda happened17:52 minimyrr: you know they cant all see that, right?17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: private, Dovah17:52 Dovahkiin: vehk17:52 Dovahkiin: welp17:52 Dovahkiin: oops17:53 minimyrr: HAY GUISE17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Intentionally private hole in the wall?17:53 minimyrr: PRIVATE LORE SUB17:53 minimyrr: BE JEALOUS17:53 Dovahkiin: OT made it for lore discussions like... 2 days ago17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: is not17:53 MarcusFlavi: I think I understand why we need at least two towers....17:53 Dovahkiin: I'll nag him to invite you17:53 minimyrr: why's that?17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: because it will inevitably turn to "LOL GUYS LOOK AT THIS QUESITONS IN TESLORE AND SKYRIM AREN'T THEY DUMB OLOLOL"17:53 Mojo: I thought he said he would17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: just like the shittysubs17:54 Dovahkiin: It's been very on topic17:54 Mojo: hahahaha17:54 minimyrr: no i mean the tower17:54 SemblioSemiAbsentii: On topic for two days?17:54 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Color me impressed. :P17:54 Mojo: Granted it's only been 2 days :P17:54 minimyrr: yeah, if we want to mock the teslore questions, we just ... do17:55 MarcusFlavi: Mundus is a song right? If we need the towers as tuning forks, and they make the tones of the song17:55 MarcusFlavi: With at least two towers (two notes) you can make a melody, but not with one17:55 Dovahkiin: sighs. All it is is just a discussion sub where we bounce ideas.17:55 MarcusFlavi: With one tower, there is no song17:55 minimyrr: like this place17:55 Dovahkiin: Also, yeah, good point.17:55 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Hm.17:55 minimyrr: but for people who don't want to irc17:57 Neradac has joined (~IceChat77@189efabc.7716517.mc.videotron.ca)17:58 SemblioSemiAbsentii: oh yeah, for skyrim screenshots, is it better to use the anicam or tfc console setting?17:58 Dovahkiin: have you used tui before?17:58 Dovahkiin: (I think that's it)17:59 minimyrr: I use... steam.17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: I mean for camera controls17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: not UI supression17:59 Dovahkiin: Oh17:59 minimyrr: anicam?17:59 minimyrr: i'd just use tfc, but i am pretty casuel about controls17:59 Lilrhys has joined (webchat@3d716d1f.25a4ad7.27ea28c2.2f31aecaX)17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: well, I'll have to mess with it myself anyway17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: hi Lilrhys17:59 Dovahkiin: hey there18:00 Lilrhys: Hi18:00 SemblioSemiAbsentii: sup?18:00 minimyrr: OHAI18:00 MarcusFlavi: Hey18:01 Lilrhys: Sitting in bed hoping that something interesting happens before I fall asleep.18:01 Mojo: Hi Lilrhys18:01 Mojo: *A wild MK appears*18:01 Mojo: looks around18:01 minimyrr: MK might swing by soon. in a while. eventually.18:01 Mojo: Damn18:01 KM has joined (webchat@1e79b4c9.1413884c.tx.comcast.net)18:01 KM has left IRC (Client exited)18:01 Mojo: bullshit18:02 SemblioSemiAbsentii: lol18:02 MarcusFlavi: Your conjuration is too low to buy that spell, mojo18:02 Dovahkiin: ;)18:02 Mojo: heh18:04 minimyrr: dammit i have a game saturday. urgh.18:04 Dovahkiin: Well, then, there's the idea of subgradiation and Towers18:05 Dovahkiin: Towers tune noise. Mundus needs towers to stay out of the Void.18:05 Dovahkiin: i.e. it fortifies the gradient18:05 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Is the Void in this schema random chaotic off-notes or the utter absence of tone?18:06 Dovahkiin: It's cosmic radiation.18:06 Dovahkiin: Random chaotic noise.18:06 SemblioSemiAbsentii: k18:06 MarcusFlavi: It could be, radio's can pick up background noise from the Big Bang18:06 Dovahkiin: From MK: "either way, it's the primal wail"18:07 MarcusFlavi: So the Void might be a monotone ring in the Godhead's mind18:07 Dovahkiin: Alternatively, you could argue the opposite18:07 minimyrr: the void is tinnitus?18:07 minimyrr: it exists without really existing?18:07 Dovahkiin: And say that the Void is the absence of tone, and that Mundus is a tone created by the Towers18:08 SemblioSemiAbsentii is now known as TinnitusSanctus18:08 Dovahkiin: But I think there might be stronger evidence for tuning noise18:08 Dovahkiin: MK said that the Void is psychosomatic18:08 minimyrr: well tuning forks don't turn noise into signal18:08 minimyrr: >psychosomatic18:09 minimyrr: ...tinnitus can be midway between damage and psychosomatic18:09 Dovahkiin: Well, they don't18:09 Dovahkiin: hmm18:09 Lilrhys has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)18:09 minimyrr: mine is18:09 Dovahkiin: But, the idea is that they resonate18:09 minimyrr: yeah18:09 Dovahkiin: At a frequency set by the Stone18:09 Dovahkiin: To the presence of all frequencies in the Grey Maybe18:09 minimyrr: well there are other tone sets besides the octal18:09 minimyrr: back to tinnitus being psychosomatic though, mine is part damage part psychosomatic18:10 minimyrr: i always have a little bit of a buzz18:10 MarcusFlavi: They can make the tones of Mundus resonate with the stones, creating a melody that distinguishes it from the rest of the aurbis18:10 minimyrr: but in bathrooms and only bathrooms, it gets REALLY REALLY loud18:10 Dovahkiin: :/18:10 minimyrr: because that's where i attempted suicide last, probably.18:10 minimyrr: my own fault18:10 minimyrr: anyway, that kind of fits the existing/not-existing bridge18:10 Dovahkiin: uh, you sure you should be sharing that on the internet?18:10 minimyrr: already did18:10 TinnitusSanctus is now known as SemblioSanctii18:10 minimyrr: why do you think i got kicked out of TSG?18:11 minimyrr: besides, if mk can trust us with important work documents, i think that sentence is fine.18:11 MarcusFlavi: Well, keep in mind that these things are less private then they appear18:11 minimyrr: i've given you *a* name, but nothing says it's actually me18:12 minimyrr: i'm really not that worried about it.18:12 MarcusFlavi: You've only ever given me a first name, one that is pretty standard18:12 SemblioSanctii: Actually speaking of that, Dovahkiin, I'd really really liked to set #Secunda to +k or passworded in some way18:12 Dovahkiin: Oh18:12 SemblioSanctii: and hopefully we can talk a bit about keeping shit close at hand in the next hangout.18:12 Dovahkiin: I'd do +i18:12 Dovahkiin: yes18:13 Mojo: Good idea SS18:13 Dovahkiin: +stinr is best mode18:13 Dovahkiin: just requires registration18:13 minimyrr: s,t,n,r?18:13 Dovahkiin: or an invite from someone18:14 Dovahkiin: secret, topiclock, registered, no one outside channel can post18:14 SemblioSanctii: that what was used for #memospore1 before?18:14 Dovahkiin: yes18:14 SemblioSanctii: k18:14 Dovahkiin: swap n and r18:14 Dovahkiin: but you get the gist18:14 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFhB6bSZLRw[/media]18:14 SemblioSanctii: most of us have probably seen ^ before but it's a thing18:18 Dovahkiin: that's actually pretty cool18:18 Mojo: Nice18:18 Dovahkiin: lots of choices and knobs18:18 Mojo: ZOS WHERE'S MY INVITE BACK!18:18 Dovahkiin: They're really refining character creation18:18 Dovahkiin: I like it18:18 minimyrr: mhmm18:18 minimyrr: orcs are still too pale tho18:20 Dovahkiin: anyway, make sure y'all are registered18:20 Dovahkiin: yes, y'all, I'm in Texas for God's sake18:21 Dovahkiin: is still slightly uncomfortable with using "y'all" but it's growing18:22 Mojo: Registered?18:22 minimyrr: with nickserv18:22 Dovahkiin: how: [url="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e9ZrazbfcekPVhwyA0wfCyshYzaefTdskIVw0R61N2Q/edit"]https://docs.google....IVw0R61N2Q/edit[/url]18:22 MarcusFlavi: And hiw we do that?18:22 MarcusFlavi: Nevermind..18:23 SemblioSanctii: lol18:23 SemblioSanctii: the hell is facebot?18:24 MarcusFlavi is now known as hollymarkie18:25 minimyrr: you can group nine other nicks with your main by being them and /msg nickserv group mainnick password18:25 Mojo: okay registered18:25 minimyrr: abuses this feature18:26 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker18:26 Mojo_Tracker is now known as Mojo18:27 Dovahkiin: also, IRCHighway has a ton of bots18:27 Dovahkiin: they're all chanbots and do the same stuff18:27 Dovahkiin: but they just have a bunch of names18:27 hollymarkie: Alright... on nick down18:27 hollymarkie is now known as MarcusFlavi18:27 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker18:28 Arena has changed mode: +v transcrybyr18:28 minimyrr: thanks18:28 minimyrr: he needs that SO MUCH18:28 Mojo_Tracker is now known as Mojo18:29 Dovahkiin: !resync18:29 Dovahkiin: (how I wish that was a thing)18:30 Cimbri: hi all [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bZWZEwY21Q[/media] bye all18:30 Mojo: lol18:31 Mojo: brb18:31 minimyrr: hmmm?18:31 MarcusFlavi: Yeah, apparantly my youtube does not allow me to watch shakespeare on phone18:37 minimyrr: should i have krognaz get with aela? i mean, she is an easy 17/1018:37 minimyrr: but... not orc18:39 minimyrr: decisions decisions18:39 MarcusFlavi: Playing Skyrim?18:39 minimyrr: yes18:42 SemblioSanctii: stronghold orc or bust18:42 SemblioSanctii: Your best chance.18:42 Cimbri: I always have my nord marry Borgakh the Iron heart18:42 Cimbri: Steel Heart18:42 Cimbri: She tanks while I kill18:44 minimyrr: yeah, if dragon walls could stop giving me letters i already know.18:44 minimyrr: that'd just be super18:45 minimyrr: Fus, Faas, Daan, Kaan, Yol, Wuld, Ro... I needs some new glyphs!18:46 Varanu_semiAFK: hey18:46 Varanu_semiAFK: Mina spontaneously called me tonight and told me how super excited she is about Secunda O_o18:46 minimyrr: oh?18:46 minimyrr: you should have her over sometime.18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: yeah, I said, but she's not a fan of IRC18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: she said she'd come to the hangout if we moved it up an hour18:47 minimyrr: -_-18:47 SemblioSanctii: Is it the prospect of getting reliably paid? :P18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: 4pm EST instead of 518:47 Mojo: When is the next hangout?18:47 minimyrr: who doesn't love irc?18:47 SemblioSanctii: Saturday mojo18:47 minimyrr: and i can't make that.18:47 minimyrr: not that i'd be that helpful anyway:/18:48 SemblioSanctii: I can do 4PM this sat, dunno about anyone else.18:48 Varanu_semiAFK: I actually think it's mostly because I called her going "OH MY GOD MINA WE'RE SETTING IT ON THE DRUGS MOON NOW"18:48 Varanu_semiAFK: and then described the landscape in lavish glorious terms for fifteen minutes18:48 Mojo: hahaha18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: She actually dropped one of her other projects so her schedule would be free to work with us18:49 minimyrr: |., and |o' are pissing me off18:49 SemblioSanctii: Actually, you know what's really odd? G+ has her under the "people you might now" thing, yet doesn't list any connections between us. 18:49 minimyrr: wow really?18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "Meh, they sucked to work with anyway."18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "You guys are passionate. I love working with passionate people!!"18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: I was like, "Have you played Skyrim yet?"18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "No, but I've seen the art. The art is /sweet/!"18:50 Varanu_semiAFK: it was18:50 Varanu_semiAFK: an amusing conversation18:50 minimyrr: is flattered18:50 Mojo: wow18:50 Mojo: That is awesome18:52 Varanu_semiAFK: she was also like, "oh wait you guys will need modeling and animation people too lemme ask around"18:52 minimyrr: whaaaaaa18:52 Varanu_semiAFK: and then linked me to, like, her best friend's 3d modeling site18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: sec18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: [url="http://shifally.com/"]http://shifally.com/[/url]18:53 Cimbri: Jibbie me jimmies that's amazing18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: I have no idea how much we'd need to pay this person though O_o18:53 Mojo: That is so awesome!18:53 Mojo: O.O18:54 Mojo: Damn, that's some talent right there18:54 Cimbri: ^18:55 Mojo: The Creature one is awesome18:55 minimyrr: fuck me sideways im impressed18:57 Cimbri: And I too express my impression in an inventive manner!18:58 Varanu_semiAFK: and actually I'm going to move this conversation to #secunda because, uh18:58 Varanu_semiAFK: that's what that channel is for X_X18:59 Varanu_semiAFK is now known as Varanu18:59 Mojo: heh19:00 MarcusFlavi: Btw: I'm of to sleep. Night19:00 MarcusFlavi is now known as MarcusFlavi_log19:00 Mojo: Night Holly19:01 RottenDeadite has joined (~RottenDea@371cd19e.18251e65.tukrga.sbcglobal.net)19:01 Arena has changed mode: +v RottenDeadite19:02 SemblioSanctii: night holly19:11 minimyrr has left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)19:11 borastas has joined (webchat@296d6466.4fb88e4.3d716d1f.1a358005X)19:14 Cimbri: Has everyone left med?19:14 Cimbri: Me*19:14 SemblioSanctii: is still here19:14 RottenDeadite: I'm still here.19:14 Cimbers has joined (webchat@ba95af8.f5eb36d.rev.stofanet.dk)19:14 RottenDeadite: puts an arm on Cimbri's shoulder.19:14 RottenDeadite: stares long and hard at Cimbri.19:15 RottenDeadite: I will never leave you, Cimbri.19:15 SemblioSanctii: hehe19:15 Cimbers: Thank you. But apparently my irc just chose not to relay any messages to me19:15 Cimbers: So I only saw my own words19:15 Cimbri has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)19:15 RottenDeadite: Yeah I think you got a weird conneciton.19:15 Cimbers is now known as Cimbri19:15 RottenDeadite: still hasn't taken his hand off Cimbri's shoulder.19:16 RottenDeadite: Are you using the web client?19:16 Cimbri: I am19:16 RottenDeadite: Probably wanna switch to a dedicated client.19:16 Varanu: looks at Rotten with his hand on Cimbri's shoulder19:16 RottenDeadite: squeezes Cimbri's shoulder gently.19:16 RottenDeadite: I use YChat.  It's very good.19:16 Varanu: gets the video camera in case they kiss19:16 transcrybyr: my keyboard is being fucky19:17 Cimbri: looks at RottenDeadite with a loving expression19:17 Cimbri: You have always been there for me19:18 Varanu: zooms in19:18 transcrybyr: plays subtle porn music19:19 Cimbri: puts a hand around Rotten's waist.19:19 Cimbri: Care to dance? She doesn't have to know19:19 Varanu: snickers19:19 Varanu: asked Rotten to dance once and the answer was an immediate NOPE19:20 transcrybyr: would've said sure...19:20 transcrybyr: just kidding19:20 transcrybyr: not a chance.19:20 RottenDeadite: ruins the mood when a stray bit of small intestine flops out onto the floor.19:20 Cimbri: can't dance either, but it fits the mood19:20 Cimbri: Is that yours?19:20 RottenDeadite: tries to ignore the organ.19:20 RottenDeadite: Is what mine?19:21 SemblioSanctii: oh my what just happened in here19:21 SemblioSanctii: I look away for a minute and wut19:21 transcrybyr: GOD DAMMIT THE FLASHBACKS19:21 Varanu: shhh Semblio19:21 Varanu: (we have to talk like this or they'll notice)19:21 transcrybyr: my brother made me read a short story about a guy accidentally prolapsing his own rectum19:21 transcrybyr: then having to bite it off to not drown.19:21 transcrybyr: the situation was ...complicated.19:21 Dovahkiin: ............19:21 Varanu: (.....)19:21 Cimbri: What is everyone doing here!?19:21 RottenDeadite: Wow.19:21 Dovahkiin: Ok, back to work on Gamma distributions19:21 Cimbri: Wow, can't a pair of men have some time for themselves?19:21 Varanu: hastily hides the video camera19:22 RottenDeadite: tries to take his hand of Cimbri's shoulder but his arm falls off.19:22 RottenDeadite: Sonovabitch.19:22 transcrybyr: i'd done so well at forgetting it19:22 SemblioSanctii: trans, is that the copypasta with the pool? Because I don't need to read that again.19:22 transcrybyr: but noooooo19:22 RottenDeadite: That's the third time this week.19:22 Varanu: you'd think a nail would work to keep it on, wouldn't you19:22 Cimbri: takes his hand from Rotten's waist to pick up his arm19:22 RottenDeadite: Thanks, pal.19:23 RottenDeadite: takes his arm back and starts stitching it back on.19:23 Cimbri: It's alright. Now what were we talking about again?19:23 RottenDeadite: This thing always acts up in inclimate weather.19:23 Varanu: I believe you guys were talking about how you will never be alone, Cimbz, because Rotten is there for you19:23 Varanu: Then I think you were going to make out19:24 Cimbri: Why would we do that?19:24 RottenDeadite: We were?19:24 Varanu: Yes.19:24 RottenDeadite: I don't think Cimbri's into necrophilia.19:24 Varanu: makes shooing gestures19:24 Cimbri: Well that has nothing to do with it.19:24 Cimbri: I think of you more as a friend19:25 RottenDeadite: And I think of you more as a container for delicious, yummy brains.19:25 transcrybyr: oh var that reminds me19:25 Cimbri: leans in to whisper to Rotten's ear "But friends can have benefits"19:25 Varanu: hmm?19:25 transcrybyr: soooooooo i was sleeping with lindsee yesterday19:25 Varanu: :D19:25 Varanu: and???19:25 transcrybyr: and19:25 transcrybyr: um19:25 Varanu: did you honk her boobs like I said not to?19:25 transcrybyr: no19:25 Varanu: good19:26 transcrybyr: i managed to trick her into snuggles (not that hard)19:26 Cimbri: Honking boobs <319:26 Varanu: excellent19:26 Varanu: what then?19:26 transcrybyr: and i thought about trying to kiss her, but....19:26 transcrybyr: *suspense intensifies*19:27 transcrybyr: her boyfriend's a great guy.19:27 transcrybyr: juuuuuuuuuuust super.19:27 Cimbri: D=19:27 Varanu: lol19:27 Varanu: is her boyfriend you, myrr?19:27 Varanu: is this what you're getting at?19:27 transcrybyr: no19:27 transcrybyr: it is not19:27 SemblioSanctii: ...19:27 Varanu: aw, damn19:27 Cimbri: D,=19:27 SemblioSanctii: myrr I don't even.19:27 SemblioSanctii: I don't even anymore.19:28 Varanu: No, this is amazing.19:28 Cimbri: Nothing makes sense ._.19:28 Varanu: It's like. 19:28 Mojo: What have I stumbled into?19:28 Varanu: Why would I ever need to watch daytime television again19:28 SemblioSanctii: heh19:28 Varanu: eats popcorn19:28 SemblioSanctii: Good point.19:28 transcrybyr: why would you ever watch daytime television in the first place?19:29 Varanu: offers some of her popcorn to Semblio19:29 SemblioSanctii: takes a bite19:29 MK has joined (~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net)19:29 Mojo: Hey MK19:29 Varanu: hiya :)19:29 SemblioSanctii: hello19:29 transcrybyr: good thing that discussion was pretty much over.19:29 RottenDeadite: Heya bub.19:29 Varanu: offers her popcorn to MK too19:29 MK: AN ENORMOUS HELLO19:29 RottenDeadite: :D19:29 MK: (That covers everyone)19:30 Varanu: lol19:30 MK: I have a couple of links I'd like to share19:30 transcrybyr: is smothered by the greeting19:30 Cimbri: Holy sheit, he's here!19:30 Mojo: Sweet19:30 Dovahkiin: Hey there MK19:30 MK: for the mod folks19:30 SemblioSanctii: Ears open.19:30 MK: [url="http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-10-16-game-devs-suck-at-pitching-advice-for-attracting-investment"]http://www.gamesindu...ting-investment[/url]19:31 Varanu: oh, /yes/19:31 MK: [url="http://usvsth3m.com/post/61672228017/19-ways-to-make-an-illustrator-grind-their-teeth-to"]http://usvsth3m.com/...-their-teeth-to[/url]19:31 MK: read these today and thought of you guys19:32 RottenDeadite: What the fuck, "hit-driven?"19:32 RottenDeadite: Really?19:32 Mojo: Thanks :)19:32 RottenDeadite: Oooooh that second link is just what I was looking for.19:32 Varanu: oh god, the illustrators thing19:32 RottenDeadite: I got no idea how to talk to illustrators and artists.  None.19:32 SemblioSanctii: Thanks!19:33 Varanu: Mina has ranted to me about, like, all the things on that list19:33 Varanu: especially losing her tablet pen19:33 MK: you're welcome. read 'em or not. a lot of things might induce eye rolls, but you're gonna have to deal with some of this.19:33 Varanu: and having people change the specs on her at the last second19:33 MK: @V: lol19:33 MK: yes19:33 MK: aha, here's a normal trick for making a deal with an artist19:34 MK: lay out your terms, with an end date, and pad it with a "rights for revision" very early on in the deliverable date19:34 MK: like, very early19:34 RottenDeadite: Oh sure.  Like scheduled review dates, I think?19:35 MK: yeah, and probably just one, depending on the size of the thing19:35 RottenDeadite: Gotcha.19:35 MK: for a concept? one.19:35 MK: also, and this will sound harsh, but treat the end result like Vegas19:35 MK: Dunno if harsh is the right word19:35 Varanu: Mina was doing creature design for us before, and then it was more like three19:35 Varanu: Vegas?19:35 MK: realistic is19:35 RottenDeadite: Dry and it smells funny?19:36 MK: hardy har19:36 MK: What you spend for the concept is "lost" money19:36 Varanu: ohhhh19:36 RottenDeadite: Oh Riiiiight.19:36 Mojo: Ahhh19:36 MK: even if the end result is shit, and you don't use it, if you treat it like lost money then you don't feel cheated19:36 Varanu: It might be /exactly/ what we want, it might not, either way the artist put in the time and you gotta pay 'em?19:37 MK: which is why you always want rights to revision19:37 MK: hell yeah you gotta pay them19:37 MK: assuming they agreed to the end date, of course19:37 MK: don't get a bad rep about payments19:37 Varanu: well, yes, I didn't mean you'd /consider/ not paying them19:37 MK: it will spread19:38 RottenDeadite: But, I'm thinking that concept art won't end up in the game, so it's not an "investment?"  Is that it?19:38 Mojo: It's still an investment in my opinion19:38 Mojo: At the minimum it rules things out19:38 RottenDeadite: Yeah but not... I dunno how to phrase this.19:38 MK: the more concepts/artists that learn about you-- and, better, learn that you actually respect payments... that will spread, too.19:38 transcrybyr: it doesn't go in game, but it helps the mod get more traction19:38 Mojo: I see what you're saying though19:39 MK: So do your legwork on the artist before choosing19:39 transcrybyr is now known as myrrlyn19:39 SemblioSanctii: gotcha19:39 MK: The friend I was telling you about the other night?19:39 MK: The major player?19:40 RottenDeadite: Yup?19:40 Varanu: the billions of dollars in a week dude, yeah19:40 Varanu: or whatever amount it was19:40 MK: Even he knew to ask for revisions. One set of them.19:40 MK: And he treated it like lost money. Thankfully, we rocked his shit.19:41 RottenDeadite: How do you pay for concept art?  Half early and half on delivery?  Something like that?19:41 MK: And here's another thing19:41 MK: Do NOT lowball anyone19:41 Varanu: Rotten, I think it's a thing that you work out individually19:41 RottenDeadite: Oh okahy.19:41 MK: Part of your Mod Face? It's about respect.19:41 MK: @V, you can19:42 MK: But I would make a steadfast set of rules first19:42 SemblioSanctii: Once you have a good rep you can specifiy terms more easily too, I would think.19:42 MK: Cuz the other thing you don't want19:42 Varanu: I've been getting all my artist advice from my sister, because I know nothing and I know she won't BS me :P19:42 MK: Is to have them comparing notes.19:42 Dovahkiin: btw, did some project manager upgrades last night, so stratosphe.re's ready to rock again19:42 MK: well, wrong way to put that19:42 MK: When they DO compare notes, it will always read fairly to each19:43 Varanu: It's like. You don't want to pay one artist one thing, and another artist something else, just because one artist is experienced and the other is naive.19:43 Varanu: It makes us look like assholes.19:43 MK: "Yes, well, we were starting then. We have capital now and are raising our payments across the board."19:43 MK: Correct.19:43 MK: Again, it's just about respect.19:43 borastas: Hey MK, i'm just a random person who came here to feed your ego a little. You're amazing, brah.19:44 MK: Thanks19:44 MK: On this channel, I don't really do that kind of ego thing19:44 MK: Until I do19:44 Varanu: And then it's all palm leaves and peeled grapes all the time.19:44 MK: I will use all caps and pejoratives when I do. You'll see.19:44 Mojo: and Whiskey19:45 MK: In other awesome non-mod news19:45 MK: the first pencils of C0DA will be arriving soon19:45 Mojo: :D19:45 MK: I am sitting here in the holy fuck19:45 SemblioSanctii: Awesome indeed.19:46 Varanu: :D19:46 Dovahkiin has changed mode: +h MK19:46 MK: And the art for Hahd is secured19:46 Mojo: Excellent19:46 Mojo: fistpumps again19:46 MK: But my old pal Brom is too busy, so whoops19:46 SemblioSanctii: also awesome19:46 MK: I mean, who does he think he is?!?19:47 RottenDeadite: Ohhhhh, Brom's busy?!?!19:47 RottenDeadite: YOu don't say.19:47 MK: lol19:47 MK: "There is another."19:47 RottenDeadite: Jesus.  Brom.  There's a flashback.19:47 Dovahkiin: Oh god, Brom19:47 MK: yeah, he got me my first professional gig19:49 MK: So I dunno when it'll happen, but in the upcoming weeks I'm gonna have to go dark for awhile19:49 RottenDeadite: So MK did you play a lot of Darksun?19:49 MK: DUH19:49 RottenDeadite: hehehe19:49 RottenDeadite: k I figured :D19:49 MK: Real question is: Did I emulate a lot of Dark Sun?19:49 MK: Same answer19:50 MK: one sec19:50 RottenDeadite: haha19:50 MK: back19:51 RottenDeadite: PS MK speaking of airships [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b9l7Kroqtw"]https://www.youtube....h?v=6b9l7Kroqtw[/url]19:51 RottenDeadite: It's not ideal but... well maybe we can do something with that.19:51 MK: email me links19:51 RottenDeadite: kk19:51 MK: Honestly, I am shit at the internet19:51 MK: which is why I pay people to do it for me19:54 Mojo: Got eerily quiet19:54 Dovahkiin: Because probability density functions19:55 RottenDeadite: Sorry my wife called.19:55 RottenDeadite: Also I got lotsa reading to do.19:55 RottenDeadite: Silence is the sound of work.19:56 Varanu: speaking of probability density, I found my old quantum text today19:56 Varanu: I was shit at taking notes as a freshman :(19:56 Mojo: brb, got a customer calling19:56 RottenDeadite: You ever see this place on like a weekday morning, Mojo?19:57 RottenDeadite: People are here, but it's like a library.19:57 SemblioSanctii: (that depends on whether TC has Ideas)19:57 RottenDeadite: snorts19:57 SemblioSanctii: (3C, w/e)19:57 SemblioSanctii: (apologies to TC01)19:57 Mojo: Yussss19:57 TC01: (heh)19:57 Mojo: Scored another contract19:57 Varanu: *\o/*19:58 Mojo: Killin it today19:58 RottenDeadite: Wooo!19:58 Mojo: Nowhere as much as the first one today :P19:58 Mojo: But it's somethin19:58 Varanu: You know what I got done today, Mojo?19:58 Mojo: Hmm?19:58 Varanu: I stared at a graph and wrote down numbers for three hours.19:58 Varanu: Then I used those numbers to look at another graph.19:58 Varanu: SCIENCE19:58 RottenDeadite: lol19:58 MK: So we have brom fans here?19:59 Mojo: raises hand19:59 RottenDeadite: you betcha19:59 MK: [url="http://imgur.com/VxCSZmd"]http://imgur.com/VxCSZmd[/url]19:59 Varanu: I actually hadn't heard of him, I'm looking through his gallery19:59 MK: SUCK IT19:59 Varanu: lol19:59 Dovahkiin: UMMMM19:59 Mojo: That is boss19:59 Dovahkiin: O_o19:59 RottenDeadite: NOICE20:00 MK: lol there's a sonic on the floor20:00 Dovahkiin: oh, I see it!20:00 RottenDeadite: tsk tsk.20:00 Mojo: heh20:00 RottenDeadite: So casually thrown aside :D20:00 RottenDeadite: God the sonic I wanted is so expensive.20:01 MK: So I had an idea20:01 MK: Because I have them20:01 RottenDeadite: ... I don't buy it.20:01 Varanu: scoffs20:02 Neradac: hmm20:02 Neradac: is that the 11th's?20:02 RottenDeadite: Smith's, yeah, I believe so.20:02 Neradac: \o/20:02 MK: tbh, C0DA is, like I mentioned, not likely to see the light of the monitor until Q1 1420:02 RottenDeadite: Sure, sure.20:02 Mojo: Understandable of course20:03 MK: Which might just be a good calendar date for the LoreCon (yuck) here in NOLA20:03 Varanu: why yuck?20:03 Dovahkiin: <insert Lorkhan pun here>20:03 Varanu: because pun?20:03 RottenDeadite: Numanticon better.20:03 Varanu: GLORIOUS PUN?20:03 MK: Because pun20:03 MK: NumatiCUZ20:03 MK: That fits better20:04 MK: fuck the CON appendage20:04 RottenDeadite: Okay but about the con.  Where do you wanna do that thing?20:04 MK: Liberty and shit20:04 RottenDeadite: Hotel conference room?20:04 Varanu: isn't that kind of short notice for a convention? O_o20:04 MK: Assuming my company doesn't fold, we'd do it right20:04 MK: Psssh20:04 RottenDeadite: Oh?  Coool.20:04 MK: that's why it's a CUZ20:05 MK: Three days of fucking around, meeting, and running games in tamriel on a few systems I'd like to do20:05 MK: pnp, I mean20:05 RottenDeadite: Please feel free to charge for tickets.20:05 MK: prolly gonna have to20:05 RottenDeadite: Yeah I'd think so.20:05 MK: Cuz I'm thinking the W20:05 Varanu: I can't imagine how you would fund a convention without20:05 RottenDeadite: Should we ask Schick to do a guest panel?20:05 MK: He just friended me on FB20:05 SemblioSanctii: Hah.20:05 RottenDeadite: Ooh W's expensive.20:05 Mojo: haha20:06 MK: Wait20:06 RottenDeadite: Yeah MK he's apparently doing an AMA with some Lore nerds in France, I think?20:06 Mojo: Did he send you a pm first?20:06 RottenDeadite: Something like that.20:06 MK: Let's get something straight here for the record20:06 MK: Mr. Schick is a great guy, with a a great pedigree. I'm an archivist of pnp games, and that dude? He's OG TSR.20:07 RottenDeadite: Oh you ain't gotta tell me, dude.20:07 MK: So never get me wrong about my attitude about him.20:07 RottenDeadite: People around here badmouth his ass I just link his resume.20:07 RottenDeadite: That shit is GOLD.20:07 MK: inorite20:07 RottenDeadite: I honestly. Honestly.  Honestly think TESO is beneath him.20:08 MK: And I think he knows the body blows against Ayrenn is one big Tamriel-ent-No One's20:08 MK: Damn, dude20:08 MK: Naw, it ain't20:08 MK: It's harder than you think these days20:08 MK: And he could do worse than its sandbox20:08 RottenDeadite: MMOs?  Or Gaming in general?20:09 MK: both20:09 MK: well, same, I guess20:09 RottenDeadite: Oh okay.  Harder to get what you want made, then?20:10 MK: I guess what I'm saying, please don't mistake sandcastles with malice.20:10 RottenDeadite: OKay gotcha.20:10 MK: No, Chris, maintaining a source of income in this industry.20:11 RottenDeadite: Ooooohhhhh.20:12 RottenDeadite: There's a problem with Schick, though.  Being associated with ESO means STL loves to lampoon him.20:13 RottenDeadite: But then again we lampoon you too, MK, so... Maybe it can be out of love sometimes.20:13 teslore778 has joined (webchat@1872b73.3ae158ff.dyn.optonline.net)20:13 SemblioSanctii: hi OPG20:13 RottenDeadite: But in Schick's case I have to wonder since so many TES nuts like to badmouth him.20:13 MK: STL?20:13 RottenDeadite: ShittyTESlore.20:13 MK: Here's why20:13 Mojo: A sub-reddit that's satirical in nature20:13 teslore778: Hi20:13 MK: it's the real reason why20:13 myrrlyn: (normal teslore can too at times)20:13 myrrlyn is now known as transcrybyr20:13 MK: Tearing down is so much easier than building20:14 MK: I mean, it's dumb easy20:14 RottenDeadite: Hah yeah :D20:14 MK: Even with any social club, it's I Had a Bad Day Lemme Post20:15 RottenDeadite: Well, when they're doing it wrong, yeah.20:15 minimyrr has joined (~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X)20:15 Arena has changed mode: +v minimyrr20:15 Varanu: This is why you bring brownies on the day you pass out the teacher feedback forms. 20:15 RottenDeadite: hehehe20:15 Cimbri: offers brownies to everyone20:16 RottenDeadite: I've posted good stuff to STL that Prince of Plots on /r/teslore woudl've banned in a second.20:16 Dovahkiin: (but actually)20:16 MK: Again, it's about play20:17 RottenDeadite: Well in my case it was about cats but okay.20:17 MK: And gamers by and large are an entitled lot20:17 Mojo: Understatement20:17 RottenDeadite: GOD they really are.  We are.20:17 MK: I have my Nice MK Face on right now, Mojo20:17 RottenDeadite: Hah20:17 Mojo: Heh20:18 MK: I mean, look at the c0da fragments20:18 MK: People worked on those. Real people. 20:18 MK: And we waited until the DLCs were over.20:18 MK: The cycle goes like this:20:19 MK: Oh Cool. Pssssh, this is fag shit. Hmm. Discussion.20:19 MK: It just goes that way.20:19 teslore778: (sorry)20:19 MK: You can track it in almost any thread.20:19 MK: that migratory pattern20:20 teslore778: (Though admittedly, most of the complaints about the first c0da fragment — not liking the connection — was kinda discussion)20:20 MK: No one has to like the connection20:20 MK: They are there to foment discussion20:20 RottenDeadite: Seems to me like the first thing that happens when any detail gets released about a TES-related game is that people scream in anger about something.20:21 MK: It's a weird thing when the... veterans?20:21 RottenDeadite: I admit I was one of the screamers when TESO got announced.20:21 Mojo: Also that discussion leads to new connections20:21 teslore778 is now known as OPG20:21 Arena has changed mode: +v OPG20:21 MK: When they don't see that some of the excite-- the real excite, not the derp excite...20:21 MK: ...should be fostered.20:22 MK: Sure, "Hey, I don't personally like this, but here's where it came from, here are the people that did it, this is what it relates to. Have fun."20:22 transcrybyr: OPPY GEE!20:22 transcrybyr: shit wrong comp. w/e20:22 MK: Otherwise, yeah, more talk about lifespans.20:22 MK: Which always chaps my ass.20:23 RottenDeadite: And firearms, Michael.  Don't forget about firearms.20:23 transcrybyr: some dying altmer just got a five year boost for that:p20:23 OPG: How long does a Pelinal live?20:23 RottenDeadite: Also whether the Dwemer are coming back or not.20:23 MK: I use firearms, sir.20:23 MK: (We know that answer)20:23 RottenDeadite: Yeah it's the TES Lore troll trifecta.  Dwemer, lifespans, guns.20:23 MK: OPG, wait, we'll do an AMA later if everyone's up for it.20:23 Varanu: I still think Dwemer fireworks would be bitchin' :(20:23 RottenDeadite: Oooh there's a thought.20:23 MK: Dwemer fireworks are a thing.20:24 OPG: Hah, that's the kind of question that'll probably get shot down on teslore20:24 Mojo: yes20:24 RottenDeadite: They are?20:24 Varanu: oh really? I must have missed them.20:24 RottenDeadite: Firework I mean?20:24 transcrybyr: we actually did have a "was pelinal a robot" today20:24 MK: There's a line in CvV about them, actually. It gets lost.20:24 transcrybyr: it was ...interesting.20:24 SemblioSanctii: still likes the whole Yoku sand-cannon idea, abhorrently guns-ish as it may be20:24 OPG: :D20:24 MK: Now Dwemer fireworks, but fireworks20:24 RottenDeadite: Oh wait was that in Redguard?20:24 MK: I saw it20:25 OPG: Dude, I'll defend my sand cannons forever20:25 OPG: I should actually write a snippet about them, because I don't know if the Marauders are getting into Luftahraan anymore...20:25 MK: No, it's Cyrus talking about the fireworks they stole from Akavir20:25 Varanu: validation!20:25 Varanu: \o/20:25 MK: Whoa nelly20:25 RottenDeadite: hehe20:25 MK: Dwemer fireworks20:25 Varanu: :P20:26 MK: That's a new thing. Regular fireworks? That's been there.20:26 MK: I take most cues from Star Wars.20:26 MK: Emperor dead? Fuck it, fireworks.20:26 Varanu: still, fireworks at all is sort of validation, if I remember the content of that particular thread correctly20:27 SemblioSanctii: Instead of crack fizzle pops on explosions, pure precise tones?20:27 MK: Yes, and even...20:27 RottenDeadite: lol20:27 MK: ...well, this is gonna get all meta..20:27 transcrybyr: firework orchestra would be the coolest. shit. ever.20:27 Varanu: I think that thread had the screaming tonal kites in it, too.20:27 OPG: I've always had the idea of Khajiiti fireworks in my head. No idea why.20:27 MK: ...all of TES should be seen-- to me-- as a translation of the actual place.20:27 RottenDeadite: Sure, sure.  That's a frequently tossed around idea in the various forums.20:28 transcrybyr: i've always thought that, but a global translation is essentially no translation, in a sense.20:28 MK: Are they REALLY fireworks? "No, asshole, they were this other thing but FIREWORKS translates exactly."20:28 RottenDeadite: Aaaah :D20:28 transcrybyr: Sky Lights/Tones?20:28 transcrybyr: like from Wheel of Time?20:28 MK: I have a picture of the "real" Cyrus20:28 Mojo: Please share20:28 MK: Don't... mention Robert Jordan in my presence.20:29 transcrybyr: ohhhhhhhkayyyyyy20:29 Varanu: lol20:29 MK: lol20:29 Dinmer: lololol20:29 transcrybyr: dare i asky why?20:29 MK: Especially at NuminatiCUZ. I'll flip a table.20:29 transcrybyr: has secretly always wanted to see tables #flipped20:29 MK: @t, yeah, cuz he's a hackfag20:29 RottenDeadite: Someone hold Din back!20:29 MK: apologies for that20:30 Dinmer: Hahahahaha20:30 Varanu: .../actual/ lol20:30 RottenDeadite: It ain't worth it Din!20:30 transcrybyr: twitches20:30 Varanu: laugh-out-loud and I scared the cat off my lap20:30 RottenDeadite: You ain't gotta go to jail for this shit!20:30 MK: rather, he's more than likely one of the first fantasy authors you've read and still can't get rid of.20:30 Varanu: Rotten, how come you defend MK when he says this shit but when it's me you just let me die20:30 transcrybyr: twitches more20:30 MK: I can understand and adore romantic memory. BUT NOT HIM.20:31 OPG: I think those are spasms, myrr20:31 RottenDeadite: Truth is, V, I don't much care for Jordan either.20:31 RottenDeadite: But I'm also scard of Dinmer so... there's that.20:31 RottenDeadite: ;)20:31 MK: His writing is unlovely. That's all.20:31 Dovahkiin: I still haven't read that series. I'm still getting through Tolkien :P20:31 OPG: I haven't read it either.20:31 MK: Morgan, you're fired.20:31 RottenDeadite: hahaha20:31 Mojo: haha20:31 Dovahkiin: lol20:32 Dovahkiin: I do admit, 170 pages into the Fellowship of the Ring and, FINALLY, something happened20:32 Mojo: lol20:32 Varanu: hey20:32 MK: @Mojo, yeah, I have to find it20:32 MK: the "real" Cyrus20:32 Varanu: lots of things happen! like travelogues20:32 Neradac: ._.20:32 Mojo: yussss20:32 MK: he's based on an RL pirate20:33 RottenDeadite: "Real" how?20:33 RottenDeadite: Oh!20:33 Mojo: Redguard's one of my favorites, I fucking love Cyrus20:33 Varanu: "and we went into the canyons but it was a dead end so we came back out of the canyons but then it was getting dark"20:33 MK: fat African dude with one of those Old World wigs on20:33 Neradac: Still need to get myself a copy20:33 transcrybyr: i have to say while i liked tolkien, i wasn't as enamored of it as people said i should be20:34 MK: That's because you are dumb, T20:34 Cimbri: So what's OG TSR?20:34 transcrybyr: thanks m820:34 Varanu: I think the thing is, it's brilliant, but it's not the way books are written now. 20:34 Cimbri: Woops wrong channel20:34 Dovahkiin: Varanu: yeah20:34 Varanu: Books now are more like movies, with dramatic cuts and things. 20:34 Varanu: *uninformed opinion*20:34 MK: and text with what really happened at the Batlle of Hunding Bay20:34 MK: And it20:34 Mojo: .....20:35 MK: it's just fucking ugly20:35 Mojo: hahaha20:35 MK: like, RL ugly. Understandable and historically perfect. Which is another word for ugly truth.20:35 RottenDeadite: Oh yeah20:35 RottenDeadite: Pirates are not nice people.20:36 OPG: But they're so romantic!20:36 Mojo: Oh my20:36 MK: Also with the idea that, whoa hey, there-- okay, it's gonna get weird, should I keep going?20:36 OPG: Yes20:36 Varanu: go for it, man20:36 Mojo: Uh, yes20:36 SemblioSanctii: Yes.20:36 MK: Back in the day20:37 MK: When ARGs didn't have a name yet20:37 MK: BethSoft was going to make a website20:37 MK: or a subsite, whatever20:38 MK: a lot of photomanips about where we "really" got the elder scrolls storiees20:38 MK: By which I mean, we had three in the basement20:38 MK: two perfectly preserved, one broken20:38 MK: Our asses NEVER used that broken one20:39 RottenDeadite: okay and where are they now?20:39 RottenDeadite: And how do I get oen?20:39 MK: It was a way of saying that, hey, guess what, we know all future games are going to have discrepencies20:39 MK: But we got to "play" with the scrolls, and mull over the stories, and we "found" the Cyrus one20:40 transcrybyr: did anyone go blind?20:40 MK: And his name, in those scrolls was "Sura"20:40 MK: okay, fuck it20:40 RottenDeadite: Oh THAT's where that word came from, is that it?20:40 MK: I'll save this for later if you're all gonna act like a peanut gallery20:40 Varanu: lol20:40 Mojo: We're reading along lol20:40 RottenDeadite: :(20:40 transcrybyr: shuts up20:41 MK: Kinda, Chris. But it was more like, "Hmm, Beings of Tamriel, this one looks pretty neat. Can we change the name?"20:41 MK: "NO"20:41 RottenDeadite: :D20:41 MK: "I mean, just for the modern audience. We'll figure out a way to put it in there and all."20:42 MK: And then lots of back and forth deliberations with these beings about how we needed to change this story to make it a playable product.20:42 MK: Until they finally just shrugged, as long as we put these things in: X, Y, Z.20:42 RottenDeadite: Yeah I hear those VCs can be hard to please.20:43 Mojo: heh20:43 MK: But, yeah, the whole Battle of Hunding Bay and Stros M'Kai was this "whitewashed sold-out" version of the real HoonDing story.20:43 MK: To "them"20:44 MK: But, hey, they got enough info out of their own to deal with it.20:44 MK: Which is really fucking long way of saying: all the games are translations.20:45 MK: For example, there were no Dwemer on SM. "You're stretching the truth." "Um, yeah."20:45 MK: "Sura never had a sister." "We know."20:45 RottenDeadite: Oh!  Huh.20:45 Varanu: Does Sura have any kind of meaning, in itself?20:46 MK: "Why do you need him to be what he is not?" "Because... swordfighting." "Hnnnh. Fair."20:46 Mojo: Chapters in the Quran are called Suras20:46 RottenDeadite: Is there any market for... "historically accurate" RPGs?20:46 Varanu: ahhh20:46 MK: ding20:46 Varanu: I was thinking, because Cyrus is king20:46 Mojo: Sura-Hoon in the TvC20:46 Varanu: I mean it means king20:46 Varanu: in Greek20:46 Varanu: shuts up20:46 MK: no, you're all on the real reason for his "real" name20:47 MK: @Chris, now that's a mod.20:47 RottenDeadite: Oh boy.  Woah.20:47 RottenDeadite: Huh.20:48 MK: "We do not think it is safe to treat Amiel this way." "We need a bad guy." "You have one in the Sura." "Yeah, but."20:48 MK: "HNNNH."20:48 MK: anyway, that was fun times20:48 MK: and wish we could more of that20:48 Varanu: Rotten, I think the answer is probably yes. Given that there's a market for historically accurate /board games/. 20:48 MK: Wait20:49 MK: Do you mean fiction-historical-fiction-recursive? Cuz that would be new.20:49 RottenDeadite: A little.  Like a "historically accurate" TES game.20:49 RottenDeadite: One that pulls no punches on realism.20:49 RottenDeadite: But that's "Realism" in the TES sense.20:49 RottenDeadite: A direct, super-accurate translation of the TES universe.20:50 MK: Oh hey, that would be an awesome 3-day campaign for the debut of C0DA and the first NuminatiCUZ.20:50 RottenDeadite: Huh.  Pick a system.  This needs dice.20:50 RottenDeadite: None of your hippy dippy LARP stuff.20:50 Dovahkiin: Pathfinder20:50 MK: fuck LARPs20:50 RottenDeadite: Preach it brother.20:50 MK: Fuck Pathfinder20:50 MK: too crunchy20:50 RottenDeadite: (never played pathfinder)20:50 Dovahkiin: The system, or the game?20:50 Dovahkiin: Err, the worldbuilding20:50 MK: (it's good, just not for this)20:51 Dovahkiin: ah20:51 MK: All of Pathfinder is good.20:51 Varanu: you know what I would play the shit out of, actually, is a fiction-historical-fiction detective game. 20:51 Dovahkiin: I've liked it better than 4E so far20:51 MK: I have just the idea, because-- whoops-- I'm designing it.20:51 RottenDeadite: I'm a super Deadlands fan.  We could possibly make that system stretch.20:51 RottenDeadite: Oh nm20:51 MK: I'm friends with the creator of that system.20:52 MK: I like it. 20:52 MK: But the campaign would be What Really Happened in the Blue Divide20:52 RottenDeadite: Shane Hensley?20:52 RottenDeadite: I met Shane Hensley once at DragonCon I think.20:52 RottenDeadite: One of those Cons.20:52 MK: If anyone dresses as a pirate, I flip the fucking table. (yes, Shane)20:53 RottenDeadite: I tried to pitch him Deadlands in 1975.20:53 RottenDeadite: But it turned out to just be Interstate '76 with magic.20:53 Neradac: someone dress as fargoth20:53 MK: How about this?20:53 Cimbri: dresses as Fargoth20:54 MK: 3-days, three one-shots, different systems20:54 Cimbri: Find my durn ring20:54 Dovahkiin: Ooh.20:54 Toesock: Wait wut20:54 RottenDeadite: Yeah that could be good.20:54 Toesock: We're doing a con?20:54 RottenDeadite: I like that idea.  Three seperate campaigns.20:55 SemblioSanctii: hi Sock20:55 Varanu: yeah, Toe, my own con ideas apparently come to naught20:55 Toesock: Hi Semblio!20:55 MK: not a con, Toe20:55 Mojo: Hey sock20:55 MK: a cuz20:55 Toesock: Hey Mojo20:55 Varanu: everyone will be at MK's conlikething, I will be sitting glumly drinking in a hotel somewhere20:55 MK: get it straight20:55 Toesock: A cuz?20:55 Cimbri: If a con is happening, how likely is it to hit Europe?20:55 MK: Naw you won't, V.20:56 Neradac: where exactly? hopefully in a corporeally accessible venue?20:56 MK: We'll fund you a ticket if your schedule permits.20:56 MK: It will have to be in New Orleans.20:56 Varanu: no, I'll be at yours just like everyone else :P20:56 Mojo: Always wanted to visit20:56 Neradac: hmm, must check flight costs20:57 MK: Few rules20:57 MK: NO FUCKING COSPLAY20:57 minimyrr: such disappointment /s20:57 Neradac: *cough*20:57 MK: I flip a table into your face20:57 RottenDeadite: Awwwww20:57 Varanu: lol20:57 Neradac: Do you really have that many tables?20:57 MK: this is cuz20:57 Varanu: I was gonna come dressed as Vivec though man, it was gonna be so great20:57 MK: I'll summon tables with my left hand20:57 Neradac: summoning failed20:57 MK: So I got it20:58 Toesock: Hmm, I'll need more details - my vacation time is devoted to Special Causes20:58 Mojo: I gotta go afk for a bit, MK if you're gone when I get back, good talking and take care20:58 Dovahkiin: cya Mojo 20:58 MK: 1st day: meet and greet and drink. First game is Real Redguard. Drunk.20:58 RottenDeadite: MK has flipped a table with his left hand, but in his right was how it could have remained straightened.20:58 Neradac: yes.20:58 MK: Pirates are fuckwits. So: drunk.20:58 Varanu: I suppose I can start drinking again for this. 20:58 Dovahkiin: And, yeah, I can probably just drive there, being in HOU and all20:59 minimyrr: is underage20:59 minimyrr: i can fly easy, i bet20:59 MK: (I might be sober, too, V)20:59 MK: no worries20:59 MK: Everyone stop jumping ahead.20:59 MK: Day 2. 20:59 MK: Wait, who here is on my FB?20:59 Dovahkiin: I am21:00 RottenDeadite: Me dos.21:00 MK: If you're not, do it. But introduce yourself first, so I don't have to scroll through any shit.21:00 Varanu: isn't21:00 MK: password: CUZ21:00 Neradac: Iam21:00 MK: That's all I'll need.21:00 Varanu: Actually. I still haven't posted on Facebook telling people I'm married.21:00 Varanu: goes to do that21:00 RottenDeadite: Pretty sure you need like four extra U's in there, MK ;D21:01 MK: Day 2. We're haungover.21:01 MK: lol21:01 Neradac: errr wait, im on fb, not your fb21:01 MK: And hungover means a horror game.21:01 Neradac: yes.21:01 RottenDeadite: kickass21:02 MK: Good ideas for the scope?21:02 albatross has joined (webchat@2ae78891.159b2242.nwcsinaa.metronetinc.net)21:02 Varanu: ...21:02 MK: TES horror. A known story.21:02 RottenDeadite: Day 3...?21:02 RottenDeadite: Oh Horror story.21:02 Neradac: nono21:02 MK: I'll GET TO IT, FUCKER.21:02 Neradac: not amnesia: tes development retcon hell?21:02 RottenDeadite: Sorry I got distracted.21:02 RottenDeadite: I'm going to bed.21:02 RottenDeadite: (lol)21:02 RottenDeadite: Goodnight!21:02 RottenDeadite has left IRC (Quit: Leaving)21:02 MK: night21:02 Varanu: night, Rotten :)21:02 OPG: Visit to Quagmire21:02 Varanu: aaaaah smokebombed again21:03 MK: Not scary enough21:03 SemblioSanctii: What Really Happened in the Middle Dawn: Oh God Imma Cyrodiilc Peasant This Sucks21:03 MK: not for me21:03 albatross: soon21:03 albatross has left IRC (Client exited)21:03 MK: @SS, that's more... commentary than horror.21:03 OPG: Visit to the whale sized Sload King's flabbiest meat flab.21:03 MK: OPG is onto something21:04 Varanu: OPG that is disgusting21:04 MK: Maybe not Thras, but like it21:04 OPG: I hear that the Republic of Hahd is stuck down there21:04 MK: aha21:04 MK: Alessia21:04 MK: The Real Ayleids21:04 Varanu: in a Sload king's meat flab?21:04 MK: no21:04 Varanu: thank goodness21:05 MK: what it really meant to be in the concentration camps21:05 MK: as a human21:05 MK: before Alessia and Pelinal and Mor21:05 MK: Pigs for the Elves21:06 MK: A fantasy slasher - run, fuckers21:06 minimyrr: thats terrifying21:06 MK: Yeah, and I won't hold back on just how alien the Ayleids were21:06 Dovahkiin: O_O21:06 Neradac: ayliens21:06 SemblioSanctii: pairs well with hangovers' gut-wrenching21:07 SemblioSanctii: a twofer, if you will21:07 MK: Flesh-sculptures21:07 Rhobot has joined (~lol@3d8d9d00.113ade0c.in.comcast.net)21:07 OPG: Ah, I love the flesh sculptor note.21:07 MK: Okay, Day 3. We're all done with real and too-real.21:07 OPG: I've stolen it, actually.21:07 Dovahkiin: Yeah, Ayleids are bound to be interesting.21:07 OPG: Wait a tick21:07 Neradac: always wanted to learn more about them actually21:07 Neradac: any unreleased texts on them?21:07 MK: This is why I was asking about my FB21:07 MK: Day 3 is Supers.21:08 MK: In Tomrrowind.21:08 OPG: Do you mean flesh sculptors as in reshaping Ayleids for strange high fashion, or for reshaping humans into grotesque sculptures?21:08 Varanu: OPG: yes.21:08 MK: OPG, I'm over that now.21:08 OPG: I'd always assumed the former, but the way you put it just now made me think of the latter.21:08 OPG: okay21:08 MK: Heroes of a Metropolis-themed Mournhold.21:08 MK: Capes and all.21:08 Dovahkiin: MK: O_O21:09 SemblioSanctii: City of Heroes: Vivec?21:09 MK: Punching planets in the FACE.21:09 MK: @SS: YES21:09 MK: All the tropes of superhero fiction reworked for TES.21:10 Neradac: .-.21:10 MK: Pelinal as Iron Man with a Glitch.21:11 OPG: The Gray Fox as Batman21:11 MK: Mehrunes Dagon as a former supervillian turned Punisher.21:11 SemblioSanctii: I have to say, that sounds incredibly fun.21:11 MK: Yes, that.21:11 MK: "I'm the Goddamn Gray Fox."21:11 Dovahkiin: Super Excite21:11 minimyrr: SWEAR TO ME21:12 MK: swear what21:12 MK: PS - Mardis Gras might make Spring fucking hard.21:12 minimyrr: it's uh... quote?21:12 minimyrr: panics21:13 Cimbri: It's a batman reference. The swear to me thing21:13 MK: But: Drunken pirate reenactment, horror game set in the alien terraformed jungle, supers in Tomorrowind.21:13 Cimbri: has Myrrs back21:13 MK: lol21:13 minimyrr: thanks m821:13 MK: WHERE IS SHE21:13 MK: I get it21:13 minimyrr: (vanishes abruptly)21:14 Cimbri: =D21:14 MK: Each with a pnp system I'll choose21:14 MK: In my mind, this is the funnest shit, like, ever21:15 minimyrr: i'd enjoy it21:15 minimyrr: that's not a glowing recommendation, but21:15 minimyrr: hey21:15 Neradac: a survival horror in black marsh might be fun too21:15 minimyrr: >survival21:15 minimyrr: >black marsh21:15 MK: brb - I have a certain person on hold21:15 minimyrr: yeah right21:15 Dovahkiin: this could be hilarious21:15 Dovahkiin: and awesome21:16 OPG: You have to get through the northern spore jungle and find refuge in Stormhold.21:17 Neradac: youd start in a shipwreck someway inland from the south21:17 OPG: You are a raiding party of Dres slavers who have been betrayed, left waspless in the Argonian domain.21:17 OPG: You started going north to get back to Morrowind, but after a few weeks you realized that the wizard you have with you is a fuckwit. You kill him and start going the other direction.21:18 OPG: Now you're in deep 'gonia. Can you make it?!21:18 Neradac: dark souls + amnesia?21:18 Neradac: +other survival elements, hunger, disease, etc21:18 OPG: Sure. Every single lifeform is dangerous. Watch out for those ferns, man.21:19 Neradac: I wonder if there are boa-eels21:22 OPG: If your gas mask breaks, you have to rip out the gills of an Argonian as a makeshift filter.21:23 OPG: So...Dark Souls + Amnesia + Metro 203321:25 Cimbri: That sounds crazy scary21:26 OPG: The unplayable game! If you survive one minute at a time, count yourself lucky. Learn to work that quicksave button.21:27 OPG: I wonder how much a vial of Hist sap'd sell for.21:28 SemblioSanctii: And how much you'd regeret it when you get caught.21:29 Cimbri: Minigame: Torture experience. Live long enough to survive and escape or die fast enough to reload21:29 Varanu: OPG, speaking of Hist Sap21:30 Varanu: you remember those Tamrielic mixed drinks we were inventing?21:30 Varanu: this is the venue for them21:30 OPG: ?21:30 minimyrr: btw21:30 minimyrr: var21:30 minimyrr: how's that story coming?21:30 Varanu: Oh, were you not there? I thought you were there.21:30 Varanu: I forgot about it, myrr21:30 minimyrr: he was21:30 minimyrr: GORTGROG21:30 minimyrr: remember?21:30 Varanu: I forget about lots of things21:30 OPG: I was there when making the drinks. Y'mean the venue is Black Marsh?21:30 Varanu: Sex-Death Shots21:30 OPG: Death in the Desert21:30 Varanu: No, I mean the venue is MK's con thing21:30 OPG: Ah21:31 SemblioSanctii: Shor's Breath (wasabi & vodka)21:31 Varanu: pulls up the list21:33 minimyrr: gort21:33 minimyrr: grog21:34 SemblioSanctii is now known as SemblioAbsentii21:34 Varanu: I liked Warpwhiskey. 21:34 Varanu: And "Skooma".21:35 minimyrr: oh, "skooma"21:35 minimyrr: don't forget hammer&nail21:36 SemblioAbsentii: Dreamsour21:37 Varanu: Ok, votes. How many of you would /actually/ drink something called "Muatra's Milk"?21:38 Neradac: I wouldnt drink it if it was white, and id probly be even more disturbed were it any other color21:38 minimyrr: yes21:38 Varanu: I think it'd probably be, like, a White Russian or something. 21:38 minimyrr: not even a question21:39 OPG: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1ooteu/akaviri_invasion_and_return_of_the_dwemer_a/"]http://www.reddit.co...f_the_dwemer_a/[/url]21:40 minimyrr: answering as we speak21:40 minimyrr: ugh21:41 OPG: Next time the Akaviri invade, they should do it sci fi style.21:41 Neradac: why would you...21:41 Varanu: No, Western.21:41 minimyrr: just to be clear21:41 Varanu: They come in guns blazing.21:41 minimyrr: Dwemer are the skin of Numidium right?21:41 MK: (Din, we're already Friends, dummy)21:41 minimyrr: that's the best answer we have?21:41 MK: (WAIT FOR IT)21:42 Varanu: thus answering the "guns in Tamriel guise???" thing as well21:42 OPG: Naw, Western should be reserved for netchimen and Sword-Singers.21:42 OPG: And Masser21:42 Dinmer: wut21:42 SemblioAbsentii is now known as SemblioSanctii21:42 Varanu: I still also like the idea of Dunmer grenadiers. Just, like. The visual or something. 21:43 MK: Someone give me a summary, then I have something GRAND.21:43 SemblioSanctii: Shooting the breeze on loretalk21:43 SemblioSanctii: bad puns for drink names21:43 SemblioSanctii: link to silly thread21:43 Varanu: you mean excellent puns for drink names21:44 minimyrr: we've been talking drinks21:44 MK: Okay, guess what I just secured?21:44 minimyrr: funding?21:44 minimyrr: artists?21:44 MK: better21:45 minimyrr: executive control of TES:O lore direction21:45 minimyrr: dreams big21:45 MK: Anyone here that can't keep a secret?21:45 MK: @Morgand, cull the chaff21:45 MK: I MEAN IT21:45 Rhobot has left IRC (Client closed connection)21:46 Dovahkiin: The non-chaff is in #secunda21:46 MK: so now others know how to get there?21:46 SemblioSanctii: it's gone private21:46 minimyrr: dovah's locking it down21:47 MK: Anyone that is in there, you better NEVER MAKE ME FLIP A TABLE21:47 SemblioSanctii: Clear.21:48 MK: anyone here that isn't there?21:48 MK: WAIT21:48 Dovahkiin: Nope, it's a subset of here21:48 MK: And don't fucking sulk21:48 minimyrr: neradac, solitha, hollymarkie's logger, borastas, tc0121:48 Neradac: ?21:49 minimyrr: memospore but not secunda21:49 Neradac: how do I join?21:49 SemblioSanctii: nvm21:49 Neradac: lo?21:50 Neradac: plis?21:50 minimyrr: ask dovah21:50 Neradac: dovah?21:50 minimyrr: top of the userlist21:50 Neradac: uh21:51 Neradac: whats the message command again?21:51 minimyrr: spell out his name, it'll ping him21:51 Neradac: Dovahkiin21:53 Toesock: Not more of this lockout stuff :(21:54 Dovahkiin: Toesock: invited21:54 Dovahkiin: join #secunda21:57 transcrybyr is now known as Alexander_Philip_Payne21:58 SemblioSanctii is now known as RossBailey21:58 OPG is now known as AndrewGrant21:58 Neradac is now known as JustinEscobar21:58 Dinmer is now known as JamesCraven21:58 Mojo is now known as ChrisFranzen21:58 Cimbri is now known as Mikkel_Sven_Christensen21:58 Varanu is now known as JessieRoy21:58 Toesock is now known as JennaBurjoski22:20 Mikkel_Sven_Christensen has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)22:20 JamesCraven is now known as Dinmer22:20 Alexander_Philip_Payne is now known as transcrybyr22:20 RossBailey is now known as SemblioSanctii22:20 JustinEscobar is now known as neradac22:20 AndrewGrant is now known as OPG22:20 Cimbri has joined (webchat@ba95af8.f5eb36d.rev.stofanet.dk)22:20 SemblioSanctii: rolls his eyes22:21 MK: Okay, so that's the plan for CUZ22:21 neradac: fucks sake22:21 SemblioSanctii: really? I mean, -really?-22:21 SemblioSanctii: fuck dude come on22:21 ChrisFranzen is now known as Mojo22:21 Cimbri: That's hilarious22:21 JessieRoy is now known as Varanu22:21 MK: fuck off, losers lolol22:21 Dovahkiin: lol22:21 JennaBurjoski is now known as Toesock22:21 SemblioSanctii: grumbles22:21 transcrybyr: jackass22:21 Varanu: :/22:21 transcrybyr: <322:21 Mojo: heh22:21 MK: look, I'm funding a con22:21 MK: might as well con22:21 transcrybyr: IT'S A CUZ22:21 SemblioSanctii: Even so!22:22 SemblioSanctii: Non-newtonian fluids aern't meant to be used like -that.-22:22 neradac: swit22:22 MK: everyone: get over it22:22 Dovahkiin: fff22:22 minimyrr has left IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds)22:22 MK: AMA in 8 minutes, 30 minutes tops22:22 SemblioSanctii: sighs22:22 SemblioSanctii: All right.22:22 Cimbri: fuck yeah!22:22 Dovahkiin: Ok, we can do this.22:23 Varanu: cool, that gives us 8 minutes to think of more awful drink names.22:23 Varanu: :D22:23 transcrybyr: quick, to the Dominion!22:23 MK: get your Real Questions ready, and I promise not to troll. But stay polite.22:23 SemblioSanctii: k22:23 Dovahkiin: k22:23 Mojo: Dovahkiin, were we supposed to leave Secunda?22:23 minimyrr has joined (~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X)22:23 Arena has changed mode: +v minimyrr22:23 transcrybyr: dovah, minimyrr needs back in secunda22:23 Mojo: Me too22:24 OPG: Psh, just use #masser22:24 myrrlyn has joined (~Alexandyr@myrrlyn.library.orc)22:24 Arena has changed mode: +v myrrlyn22:24 transcrybyr: myrrlyn also needs secunda22:24 Varanu: masser's better anyway22:24 Varanu: all dem join-quit-join-quit's22:24 SemblioSanctii: We can regroup there later.22:24 Dovahkiin: CLEAR!22:24 Varanu: O_O22:24 Varanu: hits the deck22:24 Dovahkiin: was just reassigning the bot...22:24 Dovahkiin: Facebot22:24 myrrlyn: i liked the personal touch though:(22:25 myrrlyn: not too personal.22:25 neradac: alright, so what are some of the more important questions to ask22:25 Dovahkiin: what one, Project?22:26 Dovahkiin: there, ProjectBot's assigned22:26 Dovahkiin: I like Arena just for the name22:26 MK: @Morgan, your sketch will be sent out in the morning22:26 Dovahkiin: Awesome. Thanks much.22:27 MK: 3 minutes before AM22:27 MK: A22:27 MK: cuz I'm drunkern fuck22:28 MK: (no more secunda until it's clean of trollship)22:28 neradac: definitely need to find out who built metal town22:28 MK: 222:30 OPG: *pop*22:30 Mojo: What is Tsaescence?22:30 MK: (Justin, dummy, follow the rules. password was easier than full retard.)22:30 neradac: >.>22:30 MK: @Mojo, their version of high perception.22:30 OPG: Why did Vivec+Nerevar visit A(l)tmora and not Aldmeris, if they're the Mannish/Merrish perspectives of proto Tamriel?22:31 MK: Aldmeris is not a real thing. I thought that was obvious by now.22:31 SemblioSanctii: Do the Thalmor, as of the time of Skyrim, posess the knowledge and means to manipluate Ur-Tower?22:31 myrrlyn: ^THANK YOU22:31 MK: @SS: Out of my pay rate. Have another.22:31 Mojo: What is the connection between Pelinal and Zurin?22:32 myrrlyn: Is Ceporah Tower a Mythic Tower, and if so, what is its Stone?22:32 neradac: Who or what is the void ghost?22:32 MK: one at a time.22:32 Varanu: waits22:32 myrrlyn: sorry22:32 SemblioSanctii:  Are the survivors of the Parliament of Craters still extant?22:32 OPG: (I thought that Atmora was just as non-extant as Aldmeris, due to the heavy parallels.)22:32 OPG: (Guess not.)22:32 MK: Never heard of that random-ass Tower.22:32 Mojo: Artaeum22:32 myrrlyn: It's on Artaeum22:33 MK: No shit, myr.22:33 MK: "I've never heard of that random-ass Tower."22:33 MK: Okay. Start over.22:33 myrrlyn: that, to me, implies you don't recognize the name. my apologies.22:33 myrrlyn: What is Exact-Egg-Cracking?22:33 MK: From22:33 MK: neredac22:34 Dovahkiin: Is there a relationship between Nhad-Hatta and Nu-Hatta?22:34 Dovahkiin: oops22:34 Dovahkiin: crap, didn't mean to enter that22:34 neradac: Who or what is the void ghost?22:34 MK: @Neradac, good question. I'll answer that after.22:34 neradac: okai22:34 Mojo: What is the connection between Pelinal and Zurin?22:35 MK: @SS: Yes.22:35 SemblioSanctii: k, ty22:35 MK: @Mojo, nothing but the Throne.22:36 myrrlyn: What did the Void Nights look like from Secunda?22:36 Mojo: Thanks22:36 MK: @Dova, Really?22:36 MK: YO HEY CIMBRI22:36 Dovahkiin: What is the relationship*22:36 Cimbri: Yo hey22:37 Cimbri: Uh...22:37 MK: You've been properly nice22:37 MK: You get three22:37 MK: and don't let them bully you22:37 Cimbri: Holy moly22:37 Cimbri: I don't even know which questions would be apropriate22:38 MK: @myr, I ain't gonna help with that mod yet22:38 myrrlyn: it's an actual question.22:38 myrrlyn: not mod related. but okay.22:38 MK: @Morgan, no clue..?22:38 neradac: What exactly happens to pieces of the moon when, during a phase, they turn transparent?22:38 Cimbri: How does one perceive the "untimes" of "previous" kalpas? Through an artificial meta-time or...?22:38 Dovahkiin: Hmm.22:39 Cimbri: one best*22:39 MK: Short answer: always through the dreamsleeve22:39 MK: oh wait22:39 MK: here's an answer22:39 MK: The dreamsleever? Unless it's obscure and on a post somewhere, should now be obvious.22:39 MK: Its source, I mean.22:40 myrrlyn: Neradac: game mechanic answer; in *Skyrim*, the moons go black, but not transparent. Question stands.22:40 MK: @Neredac: mistranslation.22:40 neradac: daw22:40 MK: no daw22:40 MK: They are legion now22:40 MK: It was going to happen at one time. Still will.22:41 MK: go22:41 transcrybyr: Who came first, Tamriel-Hist or Um-Hist?22:41 Cimbri: What did the um-hist do in Vile's realm? Are there pieces of the 12 worlds scattered in oblivion or how did they get there?22:41 MK: I dunno no fucking um-hist. 22:41 Mojo: Will we see Nu-Hatta again?22:41 MK: I'm not an intellilective, people. Don't assume I know all the terms.22:42 SemblioSanctii: Um-hist meaning the Hist on Umbriel in the Keyes novels.22:42 MK: @Mojo: I fduty calls, by which I mean I have no plans for him.22:42 Cimbri: Okay. Are Akavir and Atmora actual continents and should perceived as such, or are they rather mirror images of Nirn? (and is Nirn finite or infinite like the celestial bodies of Mundus?)22:42 MK: @SS: I like Keyes for his commitment, but I've never read them because his writing is unlovely.22:43 SemblioSanctii: Fair.22:43 MK: @Cimbri: The only continents that are not real... that would be Aldmeris. The rest of them might have shared Pangaea thing, but only one is a memory.22:44 MK: a fabricated memory.22:44 Cimbri: Thank you so much for that answer22:44 MK: Think on Aldmeris and why so many of the Thalmor think the way they do.22:44 OPG: What was Molag Bal's name during the Dreugh kalpa?22:44 MK: Molag Bal22:45 MK: They endure22:45 transcrybyr: What is the Exact-Egg-Cracking? (Apologies if answered when I asked earlier, but xeno definitely wants me to get this one)22:45 MK: The Hist version of the New Man. Rather, the way they would do it.22:45 Dovahkiin: O_O22:45 MK: They wait long.22:46 MK: And not to be an Ent22:46 SemblioSanctii: Not as profound as some of these, but a couple days ago in an answer you referred to a "Set" in ref. to Thalmor worship. Maybe I'm failing at google, but I can't find the term's meanning. Is that the early hero-gods, like Auri-El, Phynaster, etc.?22:46 MK: But they are not Us and never think that way. They will be addressed at some point. INFER.22:46 SemblioSanctii: (sorry)22:46 neradac: he said alinor was the oldest name of the set I think22:46 MK: @SS: Just a name I like better than gay-ass Summerset.22:47 SemblioSanctii: Ah.22:47 Dinmer: lol22:47 myrrlyn: How did the Mane die?22:47 neradac: oh22:47 MK: @myr, assassin from the Thalmor22:47 myrrlyn: thanks, just wanted to clear that up22:47 Mojo: Is there a date for release on Numinatus?22:47 transcrybyr: Is there a third gender of Dragon (besides Jill and Drake)?22:47 MK: @Mojo: not really. But when we get off our asses.22:47 Cimbri: How do you "choose" a new Mane?22:48 MK: @T: Not in the way you mean? Here's something...22:48 MK: ...the original Skyrim spitballs for dragons?22:48 MK: "Organic Time Machines"22:48 MK: That still applies to me.22:49 myrrlyn: Nice. Thanks.22:49 MK: "genders" is just a designation of purpose22:49 myrrlyn: Yes.22:50 myrrlyn: I was just curious if there was a third major group.22:50 MK: Though I will say that ain't no one got nothing on the Jills.22:50 MK: Trees vs. Dragons -  see any dudesmen fighting there>22:50 neradac: Who/what is the mane (and by extension the third moon) exactly?22:50 MK: ?22:50 Cimbri: What are the differences between gray, black, white and golden souls?22:51 MK: @Cimbri: No idea. Sorry.22:51 transcrybyr: Do you know anything about the political structure of the An-Xileel?22:51 MK: Stop asking about them novels.22:51 myrrlyn: (sorry, had requests)22:52 MK: @The Mane: we'll do it after.22:52 MK: Let other people talk.22:52 Dovahkiin: In musical terms, would you say that the Void is subgradiated noise, pure silence, or something else entirely?22:52 MK: (Where the fuck are you taking requests from?)22:52 MK: I would say its deafness.22:52 MK: *it's22:52 myrrlyn: (Other IRC folks who can't make it here because of timezones)22:53 MK: Which is why people that travel there get sensorily unraveled.22:53 Dovahkiin: Right, sensory deprivation22:53 MK: Wait: better22:53 Varanu: Not really, Dovah22:53 MK: Try not to imagine a world without music22:53 MK: Better22:54 transcrybyr: Could the Towers be construed as Tuning Forks, given your music statement yesterday?22:54 Cimbri: (5:53 in morning here in Denmark. Worth it though.)22:54 MK: yes, maybe22:54 myrrlyn: Do you have any updates on my Dwemer question re: Orrery/Lesson planet difference?22:54 MK: more like maestros22:54 Dovahkiin: Ahhhh22:55 myrrlyn: hmmmm22:55 Dovahkiin: I get it. Opposite of what I was thinking.22:55 Dovahkiin: That was my counterargument to my argument, myrrlyn 22:55 MK: @myr, no, make a thread. I'll be there eventually.22:55 MK: 522:55 myrrlyn: aight22:55 myrrlyn: thanks, btw.22:56 Dovahkiin: [i.e. they don't resonate with noise from the Void, they resonate on their own accord]22:56 MK: really, we're at 4, and it's this slow?22:56 SemblioSanctii: Are there any ancient Aleissan Rebellion-era heroes of note who didn't make it into the Song of Pelinal?22:56 MK: FUCK YES22:56 SemblioSanctii: Cool beans.22:56 MK: (nigga prolly ate most of 'em)22:56 MK: "ate"22:57 Dovahkiin: Do you have a ballpark number for how many Towers we don't know about currently?22:57 Varanu: air quotes always derail my mind into the gutter :/22:57 MK: @Morgan, not really, but only because they are not a concern of mine22:57 MK: I know of one that isn't listed22:58 MK: it will be addressed. INFER.22:58 transcrybyr: How does the Sharmat's line I AM OLDER THAN MUSIC tie in with the concept of Music as a fundamental element of the world?22:58 Dovahkiin: Doom Drum?22:58 SemblioSanctii: Does Meridia's interest in the Mundus have to do with the usual Daedric interest in the Arena, or more in being the only way a wayward solar daughter can still connect with anything that Magnus was ever associated with?22:59 MK: Nice one. He's ego-trippin' and balls-trippin' at the same time. Remember, that quote is from the Sermons. Consider the source.22:59 Mojo: What happened to the Heart of Lorkhan?22:59 neradac: ^22:59 myrrlyn: ^^22:59 MK: @SS: Wayward daughter.22:59 SemblioSanctii: Cool.22:59 MK: More after the break.23:00 MK: @Heart of Lorkhan: it will be addressed. INFER.23:00 Mojo: .... yessss23:00 Varanu: hah23:00 Mojo: Thank you23:00 MK: stop23:00 MK: it is 1123:00 myrrlyn: Thanks much.23:00 MK: I think we have 3 questions to answer in non-type fast fashion.23:00 MK: I can do two.23:00 MK: convene23:01 neradac: I think Id like to see void ghost answered23:01 MK: (I want to answer the wayward daughter one)23:01 MK: (void ghost is good, too)23:01 Dovahkiin: What was the third?23:01 myrrlyn: Mane23:01 myrrlyn: Flipps wants Mane info, but he's not here. Oh well.23:02 Dovahkiin: Yeah, go with Void Ghost and Daughter.23:02 SemblioSanctii: ^23:02 neradac: agrood23:02 MK: which first?23:02 MK: yeah, fuck the Mane23:02 myrrlyn: etiher?23:02 SemblioSanctii: either/or23:03 MK: Void Ghost23:03 MK: He never really makes sense, does he?23:03 MK: I mean, he shows up and says "yo, fucker, I ain't here"23:04 MK: Who do you think is still filling in the margins?23:04 MK: He ran23:04 MK: Ran from a book he hadn't finished23:04 MK: (sorry, writing to Sunshine music)23:05 MK: And he feels bad for that23:05 MK: Because they keep seeing him in the empty parts23:05 MK: THAT is when he shows up23:05 MK: He's not an editor23:06 Mojo: woh23:06 MK: He's the writer that bounced and left notes behind23:06 MK: And when you can't follow the map, he has to Right Reach backwards to help you23:06 neradac: wait..23:07 minimyrr is now known as mobimyrr23:07 MK: And every time, you've either spooked him, or surprised him, or figure out a hole23:07 mobimyrr is now known as minimyrr23:07 MK: *figured23:07 MK: To make it short, he's the one that failed23:07 MK: so you might not23:07 MK: But his ghost?23:07 MK: That's his doom.23:08 MK: A ghost's work is never done.23:08 MK: That's the fucking defintion of ghost.23:08 MK: Until the task is accomplished.23:08 MK: wait.23:08 mobimyrr has joined (~mobimyrr@10eff834.18377e3c.297f4433.2310808eX)23:08 neradac: nice, thanks for that23:08 MK: no one say a word-- guh23:09 MK: okay, so23:09 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/6YQNOw0GPz0[/media]23:10 MK: Not until the song sounds like this23:10 MK: The best and worst part of him23:10 MK: Heart of Lorkhan? He's tied to here no matter if you banished it or not.23:11 MK: Every night you look at him. Shattered. You make a mod on his body.23:11 Mojo: Woww23:11 MK: Of course he's going to help you until you make the jump he can't/won't do on his own.23:12 MK: That's the Void Ghost.23:12 Dovahkiin: Wow.23:12 SemblioSanctii: Holy damn.23:12 MK: It will be addressed. There is one that will do it.23:12 MK: WRONG23:13 MK: There is a we that will do it. Takes more than one.23:13 MK: Stuff that up your Amaranth.23:13 MK: Next.23:13 neradac: .-.23:13 mobimyrr: Um, meridia23:13 MK: lol23:13 MK: What, I should have led with that one?23:14 SemblioSanctii: lol23:14 Dovahkiin: hahaha23:14 MK: She's just as important?23:14 MK: Okay, everyone move to Sunshine again. Or not.23:14 Dovahkiin: Sunshine!23:14 Varanu: Sunshine?23:14 MK: yes23:14 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PahaUejWD8[/media]23:14 SemblioSanctii: or whatever version the storyteller prefers23:15 Dovahkiin: We going Adagio?23:15 MK: let's all do the same one23:15 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/NQXVzg2PiZw[/media]23:15 MK: tell me when to go23:15 mobimyrr: Can't click. Will imagine.23:15 Mojo: I'm ready23:15 MK: actually, that one sucks23:15 MK: lol23:15 Dovahkiin: Bombastic version23:15 Varanu: Oh look, fifteen second advertisement.23:15 Mojo: hehe23:15 SemblioSanctii: needs a countdown, like old memo days23:15 MK: find me the good one23:16 MK: OLD MEMO DAYS23:16 neradac: Engagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI dis?23:16 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBk3ZmeNG_w[/media] ?23:16 Dovahkiin: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/media]23:16 MK: THESE ARE THE MEMO DAYS23:16 SemblioSanctii: heh, fair 'nuff23:16 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/hYMseN4XzxI[/media]23:16 OPG: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/media]23:16 MK: yeah, go bombastic or go home23:16 Dovahkiin: I have the Bombastic version in iTunes :P23:16 MK: count us down23:16 SemblioSanctii: 323:16 SemblioSanctii: Two23:16 SemblioSanctii: Uno23:16 SemblioSanctii: GO23:17 MK: What no one has ever seen23:17 MK: Is the connection between Meridia and Kyne23:17 MK: Let that sink in23:17 MK: What do they-- when connected-- both govern?23:18 MK: Think about KotN23:18 MK: One made the Knight, one opposed the Knight23:18 MK: One rained forever because he was gone23:19 MK: One said, no I will wait until he comes back23:19 MK: GONNA GO FULL FAG23:19 MK: Quit mixing up gods and demons23:19 MK: they are just emotions23:20 MK: in magic, those are real feels23:20 MK: Meridia is the color of his return23:20 MK: when curtained by rain23:21 MK: That blink in your eye when the postcard isn't answered?23:21 MK: That weird huff in your chest when you're waiting for THAT text?23:21 MK: That whole night you wait and force sleep so the morning comes?23:22 MK: And you hear rain on the window pane and figure, fine, they weren't listening.23:22 MK: Today isn't the day?23:22 MK: WRONG23:22 MK: That's the day when you never knew you were at your best23:22 MK: You surrendered23:23 MK: You walked about, called a cab, or turned on the monitor to read the net, or walked the dog because at least the dog always listens23:23 MK: Took a shower, got MORE shit in your eye23:24 MK: Walked to the corner store to get saline because you didn't last night and you really have to put your contacts in23:24 MK: worse23:24 MK: you're a parent now23:24 MK: with cataracts23:24 MK: and the only way your children easily talk to you is a phone screen23:24 MK: which you can23:24 MK: only23:24 MK: make23:25 MK: out23:25 MK: it color23:25 MK: A thing you can not quite perceive anymore23:25 MK: So your other sense compensate for it23:25 MK: Can't see right?23:25 MK: Ears will for you23:26 MK: Can't hear right?23:26 MK: Eyes will for you23:26 MK: Can you see the admixture of color and sound yet?23:26 MK: You sense it23:26 MK: If even you can only taste the one that's gone23:27 MK: That's your only Memory and touchstone23:27 MK: Otherwise, why would you wait?23:27 MK: Hope has a color and a sound and a taste and a touch and 11 more sense you don't know you have yet23:27 MK: And this is why you worship them23:28 MK: The gods and demons beyond your control23:28 MK: They went through it before you23:28 MK: They are your ancestors, and this is in the blood23:28 MK: They are your Aedra/Daedra23:29 MK: And sometimes their names get mixed up23:29 MK: Still the same: they show you the path. Even as an orphaned star, you will get HOME again.23:29 MK: You always have your birthsign.23:30 MK: Rejoin with it.23:30 Mojo: hooly...23:30 MK: That's your family. The star signs of the magic that rules this world.23:30 MK: They know the way. All you have to do is look, hear, touch, taste or feel for their presence.23:31 MK: It's in their job description.23:31 MK: Done.23:31 Mojo: Speechless23:31 Dovahkiin: claps23:31 mobimyrr: ...wow23:31 SemblioSanctii: Beautiful, really. 23:32 MK: Okay, I'm not done and I'll render it for you in RL.23:32 MK: Not Tamriel RL but mine.23:32 MK: Give me a second. And have sunshine on repeat.23:33 Dovahkiin: [url="http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=hYMseN4XzxI"]http://www.listenonr.../?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/url]23:33 MK: Once upon a time23:34 MK: There was a void ghost and a wayward daughter23:34 MK: And they met during the dawn but it wasn't time yet23:34 MK: They sensed each other and knew each others' work23:34 _stille_: hey guys just woke up wth happened23:35 MK: And they had a common interest23:35 Mojo: shh23:35 MK: Life on the dirt they walked on23:35 MK: He was the void ghost, so figured he has said enough23:35 MK: she was the wayward daughter and knew more colors than him23:36 MK: FLASHFORWARD23:36 MK: They saved enough money, by ways and means and bullshit and dreams23:36 MK: to find a way into to fly towards one and the other23:37 MK: And secured a House That Was Safe Now23:37 MK: By which I mean a MicroTel23:37 MK: Sixty square feet of bed and shit television and a televison23:37 MK: she brought her color, he brought his voice23:38 memospore718 has joined (webchat@159b2242.2aac9c3e.res.rr.com)23:38 memospore718 has left IRC (Client exited)23:38 MK: And that first night they mixed both23:39 MK: and it was awkward, because this was new23:39 MK: And went to bed happy in weird ways23:39 MK: They had a few days in this Provisional House23:40 MK: A space outside of gods and demons and the rules of the world23:40 MK: When the sun was up, it wasn't a thing of glory23:40 MK: those motherfuckers just wanted to eat23:40 MK: it reminded them that the earth was there23:41 MK: They ate, and then... that's the first time they really talked face to face 23:41 MK: He told her all the things that he wasn't supposed to, and she told him it was fine because her face looked just like THIS23:42 MK: And then they knew, well, fuck then let's write it all down and draw it all and make sure it's full of tears and color23:42 MK: And what those two do together when mixed23:42 MK: Because they would find each other again23:43 MK: they would con and steal and study and finish and live in a park with a goddamn blanket and a laptop in a backpack23:43 MK: and look for wifi to keep in touch because that time in the MicroTel might not have been real23:44 MK: it might have just been a trick23:44 MK: but no23:44 MK: every chance they got23:44 MK: every interview that got turned down23:44 MK: every time between classes23:44 MK: every time they had to get awkward with the other spirits around23:44 MK: they made time23:45 MK: And now they live together23:45 MK: And every night now?23:45 MK: They are thankful and greet every morning with color and words23:45 MK: And THAT is why everyone should do this23:46 MK: I want to say a rainbow23:46 mobimyrr has left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)23:46 MK: but that is already in your head23:46 MK: look up, it's jumping out23:46 MK: walk on it23:46 MK: if it's night23:46 MK: wait until the morning23:46 MK: just walk on it23:47 MK: walk on it until it walks like you23:47 MK: by which mean it's there every morning when she finally decides to open her eyes23:47 MK: DONE23:47 Mojo: *STANDING OVATION*23:47 Varanu: :)23:47 Dovahkiin: tips a glass23:48 SemblioSanctii: :)23:48 SemblioSanctii: indeed23:48 myrrlyn: sheds a single manly tear23:48 _stille_: furiously reads logs to see what she's slept through23:48 Dovahkiin: [Except that, in this case, it's a can of Red Bull]23:48 neradac: ill drink for us both dovah23:48 Dovahkiin: Amazing.23:48 neradac: cheers23:48 MK: (Okay, maybe Meridia was the best one to end on, after all. I told you guys I had stuff to say about her.)23:48 Dovahkiin: :D23:48 MK: :)23:49 SemblioSanctii: I'll say.23:49 Mojo: :D23:49 Mojo: That was wonderful to read before bed23:49 Mojo: Thanks MK23:49 Mojo: Have a good night everyone23:49 SemblioSanctii: night mojo23:49 Dovahkiin: Amazing. Have a good night, Mojo.23:49 myrrlyn: Goodnight.23:50 Varanu: night, Mojo23:50 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker23:50 MK: night23:51 Varanu: ...my husband's gone to sleep. 23:51 Cimbri: I'll open a ruby ale to that.23:51 Varanu: I probably should too.23:51 Cimbri: Night Var.23:51 SemblioSanctii: cya Var23:51 Varanu: ty MK, was pretty :)23:51 Dovahkiin: Night Varanu!23:51 MK: All right, guys, it's time for me to sleep, too. Go cuddle your husband, V. You've run around here long enough for the night.23:51 Varanu is now known as Varanu_afk23:51 neradac: good night23:51 Varanu_afk: hah23:51 Varanu_afk: will do23:51 SemblioSanctii: Heh.23:51 _stille_: night MK23:51 Dovahkiin: Thanks MK.23:52 Dovahkiin: That was awesome.23:52 SemblioSanctii: Farewell, then.23:52 SemblioSanctii: Much appreciated.

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2013-10-16 02:31:32 %MK (and be ncie to one another)

2013-10-16 02:31:34 Mojo Who or what is the Nu-Hatta?

2013-10-16 02:31:47 %MK A moth-priest of high station.

2013-10-16 02:31:49 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:31:50 Neradac Clockwork city, what is its purpose?

2013-10-16 02:32:14 %MK Sotha Sil never figured that out. But a fellow dunmer will.

2013-10-16 02:32:14 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:32:20 +OPG Are the ties/similarities between Molag Bal and the Sload intentional?

2013-10-16 02:32:31 %MK no fucking clue there was one

2013-10-16 02:32:33 +RottenDeadite • Biting: This term seems to mean one thing in the Lessons and another elsewhere. Are they the same thing? What the heck is Biting, basically?

2013-10-16 02:32:45 %MK Borrowing

2013-10-16 02:32:46 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:32:54 %MK well wait

2013-10-16 02:33:23 %MK Borrowing with no intention of keeping it as it was in its original form. that's more apt.

2013-10-16 02:33:25 %MK now go

2013-10-16 02:33:27 Neradac Dreaming Cavern, what was discussed in the meeting of Sotha Sil and the daedric princes?

2013-10-16 02:33:31 +RottenDeadite Ah ookay that's better.

2013-10-16 02:33:59 +RottenDeadite Hehehe What are the hardware requirements for TalOS?

2013-10-16 02:34:02 %MK I didn't write that. I...don't necessarily care for it.

2013-10-16 02:34:13 %MK Chris, fff

2013-10-16 02:34:16 Neradac Aw.

2013-10-16 02:34:17 +RottenDeadite :D

2013-10-16 02:34:18 %MK dummy

2013-10-16 02:34:32 +RottenDeadite Can you talk about Vivec's Children for me?

2013-10-16 02:34:32 %MK 16

2013-10-16 02:34:33 Hermit_Qabal What's the deal with inquiry trees?

2013-10-16 02:34:49 %MK which question comes first?

2013-10-16 02:34:49 _stille_ in azura and the box, when did the alteration of the hidden object from a square sphere to a red flower happen in that text's history,and does the red flower mean amaranth or something connected?

2013-10-16 02:34:55 +RottenDeadite The bit last night about the Treasure Wood Sword really knocked me on my ass.

2013-10-16 02:34:56 _stille_ whichever, we're not picky

2013-10-16 02:35:05 +RottenDeadite Yeah, dude, answer as you will

2013-10-16 02:35:47 %MK stille, the Amaranth will be answered but not here. INFER

2013-10-16 02:36:01 %MK Inquiry Trees? Not sure what you mean.

2013-10-16 02:36:10 Mojo Sphinx Moth Inquiry Trees

2013-10-16 02:36:10 +RottenDeadite Who or what is the Drowned Lamp?

2013-10-16 02:36:12 %MK Azura in the box? I didn't write it.

2013-10-16 02:36:17 +OPG Why didn't the ALMSIVI acquire plane(t) forms outside Nirn upon apotheosis, as Mannimarco did?

2013-10-16 02:36:44 %MK Vivec's Children: they are all of the metaphors made real for hir to deal with before the Hortator.

2013-10-16 02:37:00 +Varanu Wait, gender-neutral pronoun?

2013-10-16 02:37:02 +Varanu :D

2013-10-16 02:37:07 _stille_ :D

2013-10-16 02:37:10 %MK ALMSIVI got kilt or ran or had other ideas.

2013-10-16 02:37:12 Mojo good catch

2013-10-16 02:37:14 Neradac Where is the clockwork city? And if Sotha did not know its purpose, who built it?

2013-10-16 02:37:32 +RottenDeadite Metaphors such as Moon Axle as... Structures of belief, I think?

2013-10-16 02:37:37 %MK It's where he said it was, in that thing I did not write.

2013-10-16 02:37:46 Neradac <.<

2013-10-16 02:37:53 +Varanu Why was it ever /not/ a gender-neutral pronoun? I thought it was the male-as-default thing again, I was saddened.

2013-10-16 02:37:54 Mojo When Vehk appeared from the Aether in the Loveletter, how did he do so?

2013-10-16 02:38:03 +RottenDeadite In an old school map of Morrowind, Nera, there was a city named Sotha Sil I think.

2013-10-16 02:38:14 +Umpteen Gender neutral not same as doubly gendered, methinks V

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2013-10-16 02:38:19 %MK Well, kinda. But that lil asshole was made out of STRAIGHT LINES. That was a thing.

2013-10-16 02:38:22 +SemblioSanctii hi 759

2013-10-16 02:38:32 +Varanu Well, no, but there also wasn't switching of pronouns or anything. It was all male pronoun all the time.

2013-10-16 02:38:35 Memospore759 hi!

2013-10-16 02:38:38 +RottenDeadite Yeah the same lines used in wheels. I'm having so much trouble with those children, man.

2013-10-16 02:38:45 +RottenDeadite But talk about the Drowned Lamp, please.

2013-10-16 02:38:49 +Umpteen ^

2013-10-16 02:39:18 %MK @Mojo, that will be slightly answered in something I can't talk about. INFER.

2013-10-16 02:39:35 Mojo I kind of figured. Okeee

2013-10-16 02:39:45 %MK Drowned Lamp: Knowledge that is lost.

2013-10-16 02:39:45 Neradac Are the elder scrolls fragments of Aka? since ada-mantia is a scroll case both and aka's capsule?

2013-10-16 02:40:17 +RottenDeadite Wait, what? Then why does Vivec say that the Drowned Lamp is a possible "ending" for Cyrus?

2013-10-16 02:40:28 %MK @Neredac, no the the former. Aka's capsule? Yes, it held one. A big one.

2013-10-16 02:40:36 Mojo Cyrus could be lost, even in the history books

2013-10-16 02:40:37 +RottenDeadite Oooooohhhh

2013-10-16 02:40:44 %MK @Rotten, know-- jinx

2013-10-16 02:40:47 +OPG Is Numinatus related to Pelinal?

2013-10-16 02:40:47 !Dovahkiin What is the ultimate purpose of the Whirling School?

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2013-10-16 02:41:10 %MK @OPG Numinatus in what form?

2013-10-16 02:41:21 !Dovahkiin [Going mobile, I'll be watching]

2013-10-16 02:41:22 Hermit_Qabal Tsaesci: literal vampires?

2013-10-16 02:41:24 +OPG Aka connections, time travel, weird left hand.

2013-10-16 02:41:33 +OPG The form we've had a small glimpse of, I guess.

2013-10-16 02:41:34 %MK @Morgan, That's in the Sermons. Nothing has changed.

2013-10-16 02:41:43 !Dovahkiin Ok.

2013-10-16 02:41:55 %MK @OPG, naw, just themes I like to keep doing

2013-10-16 02:42:05 +RottenDeadite Is the Triangular Gate shaped thusly because of ALMSIVI or because of a different (but likely related) triune of forces?

2013-10-16 02:42:13 %MK (But N v P might be fun)

2013-10-16 02:42:13 Neradac hum

2013-10-16 02:42:25 %MK The latter

2013-10-16 02:42:34 _stille_ is it the anticipations?

2013-10-16 02:42:38 _stille_ enantiomorph

2013-10-16 02:42:44 %MK Which begs the question, who in the Triune is Anu?

2013-10-16 02:42:45 %MK Go

2013-10-16 02:42:50 +RottenDeadite HAH

2013-10-16 02:42:50 Mojo Did Tosh Raka mantle Akatosh?

2013-10-16 02:42:54 +RottenDeadite Alma.

2013-10-16 02:42:57 Mojo misfire

2013-10-16 02:43:01 %MK @Mojo, yes

2013-10-16 02:43:25 %MK @Mojo, but not in the sense that Tamriel has

2013-10-16 02:43:30 %MK "has"

2013-10-16 02:43:36 +RottenDeadite Is Narsis the City of the Dead? Or Necrom?

2013-10-16 02:43:38 Neradac Where did the khajiit originate from?

2013-10-16 02:43:57 %MK Chris, that ain't even a question

2013-10-16 02:44:17 %MK @Neredac, from an Earth Bone that had a fetish

2013-10-16 02:44:22 +RottenDeadite Okay: "Love is under My Will Only." Is Vivec saying that everyone else's will is the same as his own? Or is this more of the I AM ALL ARE WE stuff?

2013-10-16 02:44:24 +SemblioSanctii What is the (modern) status or position of the One in Cyrodiilic religion? Temple of the One, yet they all prattle on a bout the Divines without much respect towards any grand unity.

2013-10-16 02:44:28 Neradac .-.

2013-10-16 02:45:04 %MK @SS, I don't like the Temple of the One as a narrative construct. If only because its name is gay.

2013-10-16 02:45:06 +OPG Do the Colovians have southern accents?

2013-10-16 02:45:15 +Varanu lol

2013-10-16 02:45:26 %MK @Chris: the clue is the word "my"

2013-10-16 02:45:34 Neradac If the dwemer had the heart, why did (iirc) Kagrenac seemed to need to make a mantella?

2013-10-16 02:45:37 +RottenDeadite OH SHIT

2013-10-16 02:45:42 _stille_ and the difference from Crowley's formulation I presume :P

2013-10-16 02:45:47 * RottenDeadite 's head explodes.

2013-10-16 02:45:48 %MK 5

2013-10-16 02:45:50 +Varanu Run, Rotten, write down theories.

2013-10-16 02:45:54 +RottenDeadite DUDE

2013-10-16 02:46:01 +Umpteen What's the revelation?

2013-10-16 02:46:20 _stille_ he can tell us after :P

2013-10-16 02:46:24 +Varanu he's achieved enlightenment, he can't talk anymore

2013-10-16 02:46:32 Mojo or zero summed

2013-10-16 02:46:36 +RottenDeadite To MEHRUNES DAGON whose mistress is the Blazing Sun.

2013-10-16 02:46:36 +OPG Does the God of Worms orbit Nirn or Arkay, or is it all arbitrary?

2013-10-16 02:46:38 _stille_ either that or he's zerosumming right this very moment

2013-10-16 02:46:41 %MK Having the Heart was just circumstance. And btw they made a MERtella.

2013-10-16 02:46:42 +RottenDeadite Who's Dagon's mistress?

2013-10-16 02:46:50 Neradac hmm

2013-10-16 02:46:50 Hermit_Qabal Why are beards important to the spiritual difference between menfolk and merfolk?

2013-10-16 02:46:59 %MK HQ, lol

2013-10-16 02:47:00 %MK that

2013-10-16 02:47:01 _stille_ yes HQ

2013-10-16 02:47:02 _stille_ that

2013-10-16 02:47:04 %MK shit

2013-10-16 02:47:04 +RottenDeadite hahaha

2013-10-16 02:47:14 +Varanu HQ, what.

2013-10-16 02:47:15 %MK that is an actual story

2013-10-16 02:47:22 +Varanu Wait, really?

2013-10-16 02:47:23 Hermit_Qabal yes

2013-10-16 02:47:29 +Varanu do the Dwemer come into it?

2013-10-16 02:47:31 %MK We've got three minutes, but yes...

2013-10-16 02:47:41 +RottenDeadite Yes, Varanu, and also the lifespan of the races.

2013-10-16 02:47:48 +OPG I thought you said 30 minutes of AMA?

2013-10-16 02:47:58 +RottenDeadite First rule: MK lies ;)

2013-10-16 02:48:02 %MK ...beards were mortals' first physical manifestation of argument stances. No joke.

2013-10-16 02:48:09 +Varanu Sorry, Rotten. I have a thing about beards.

2013-10-16 02:48:12 +RottenDeadite *sputter*

2013-10-16 02:48:12 +SemblioSanctii Huh.

2013-10-16 02:48:17 %MK this isn't 30 minutes?

2013-10-16 02:48:20 _stille_ ...if anyone asks about RL correspondences to the races I will murder you and murder you again until you learn better

2013-10-16 02:48:25 %MK og

2013-10-16 02:48:27 %MK er

2013-10-16 02:48:28 %MK oh

2013-10-16 02:48:32 %MK yeah, okay 12

2013-10-16 02:48:47 +RottenDeadite Who is Mehrunes Dagon's mistress, the Blazing Sun?

2013-10-16 02:48:47 +SemblioSanctii I'll help, stille.

2013-10-16 02:48:50 +Varanu lol, stille.

2013-10-16 02:48:56 +RottenDeadite Surely not Magnus...?

2013-10-16 02:49:01 %MK Kasper knows the beard myth. It will appear.

2013-10-16 02:49:20 %MK @Chris, I give no fucks about that gay shit.

2013-10-16 02:49:20 Hermit_Qabal cool

2013-10-16 02:49:21 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:49:28 +RottenDeadite HAH I was sure you'd written it :D

2013-10-16 02:49:37 +OPG What are the Stones of Crystal-Like-Law, Falinesti, and Orichalc?

2013-10-16 02:49:41 %MK Me? BLAZING SUN?

2013-10-16 02:50:22 %MK CLL: A person. F: a fruit. O: a sword.

2013-10-16 02:50:23 _stille_ yeah are the stones stuff that's connected to lorkhan or something? like his heart, the cave of snow-throat

2013-10-16 02:50:23 +RottenDeadite Yeah because of... Lemmie find the pic.

2013-10-16 02:50:23 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:50:26 +SemblioSanctii Is YR of the PGE1's marginal notes still around, and if so does he have any relevance to the present Thalmor situaiton?

2013-10-16 02:50:47 %MK No, his story is over.

2013-10-16 02:51:04 %MK His Severest Uncle's, however... hmmm

2013-10-16 02:51:05 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:51:23 %MK 9

2013-10-16 02:51:29 +RottenDeadite MK is this not your artwork? [url="https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6r04zvwoc1ob3z/Armor01.jpg"]https://www.dropbox....b3z/Armor01.jpg[/url]

2013-10-16 02:51:51 +RottenDeadite Might not be, just making sure.

2013-10-16 02:51:52 _stille_ what happened to Xal?

2013-10-16 02:52:15 %MK Yeah, that's me

2013-10-16 02:52:15 _stille_ and is Divayth Fyr still around? Yagrum Bagarn?

2013-10-16 02:52:21 Hermit_Qabal Thalmor - Woodsy connection (Mora: forest) or somethingsomething Elhnofex Hermy tentacleshit?

2013-10-16 02:52:34 +Varanu oh, stille. good one with Divayth Fyr.

2013-10-16 02:52:37 +RottenDeadite Then "The Face of the Husband of Fire" was what led me to believe the Blazing Sun was your thing.

2013-10-16 02:52:47 %MK Xal? No idea. DF: Not my department. YB: Just wait til you see where he is. INFER.

2013-10-16 02:53:04 %MK HQ, yes, a connection

2013-10-16 02:53:09 %MK Remember

2013-10-16 02:53:10 +OPG Why did the Kothringi move from Cyrod to Black Marsh? Was it Tiber's dejungling, or did the populations just settle in different spots and become distinct over time?

2013-10-16 02:53:38 %MK Morag Tong meant "Forester's Guild" -- and FUCKING CUT THEM WEEDS

2013-10-16 02:53:48 +RottenDeadite O_O

2013-10-16 02:53:51 Mojo What's the connection between Mankar and Vivec saying this: “Whisper to earth and earth, where the meddlers take no stones except to blood, as blood IS blood, and to the cracking of bone, as bone IS bone, and so to crack and answer and fall before the one and one, I call you Dragon as brother and king.”

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2013-10-16 02:54:03 +SemblioSanctii hi owls!

2013-10-16 02:54:21 +Varanu owwwwwls

2013-10-16 02:54:25 _stille_ what was the name given at birth to the chimer that later became Vivec?

2013-10-16 02:54:28 %MK @OPG, Kothringi have been around way too long for me to answer that properly

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2013-10-16 02:54:34 +RottenDeadite stille: Vehk?

2013-10-16 02:54:40 +Varanu It ain't Vehk.

2013-10-16 02:54:40 +RottenDeadite Oh no wait nm

2013-10-16 02:54:43 +Umpteen In Sermon 0...

2013-10-16 02:54:54 %MK @Mojo, that's an actual Mesopotaslkjdklasjdlskjdalksj curse I "bited"

2013-10-16 02:55:08 +RottenDeadite Oooh cool!

2013-10-16 02:55:09 +Varanu Hah.

2013-10-16 02:55:10 %MK Sermon 0 can suck my dick

2013-10-16 02:55:11 Mojo SWEET

2013-10-16 02:55:15 +RottenDeadite hehe

2013-10-16 02:55:19 +Umpteen That's the poinr]t

2013-10-16 02:55:23 +Umpteen oops

2013-10-16 02:55:24 %MK 5

2013-10-16 02:55:29 +OPG Were the Sload going to be in Morrowind?

2013-10-16 02:55:34 %MK Yes

2013-10-16 02:55:35 +OPG I fukken knew it

2013-10-16 02:55:38 %MK lol

2013-10-16 02:55:46 +RottenDeadite Why did Tiber reinstate lunar exploration? And why did he stop?

2013-10-16 02:56:06 %MK That's in CvT. Can't answer that yet.

2013-10-16 02:56:08 +SemblioSanctii Whatever DID make the left-handed elves so sinistral?

2013-10-16 02:56:10 +OPG On that note, how did he gather the resources?

2013-10-16 02:56:12 +OPG oh, nvm

2013-10-16 02:56:35 %MK @SS, They Fought Different

2013-10-16 02:56:43 %MK that's a thing in Yoku

2013-10-16 02:56:45 %MK go

2013-10-16 02:56:50 %MK 4

2013-10-16 02:56:58 _stille_ not getting an answer to mine?

2013-10-16 02:57:04 Memospore471 Who betrayed Sancre Tor to Talos?

2013-10-16 02:57:20 +OPG Is Y'ffre/Jephre significantly tied to Kyne/Kynareth?

2013-10-16 02:57:21 %MK we'll save it stille, I'll answer, pinky swear

2013-10-16 02:57:25 _stille_ ok

2013-10-16 02:57:34 _stille_ thank you

2013-10-16 02:57:38 +RottenDeadite Oh that'll be awesome

2013-10-16 02:57:41 %MK @471, Talos did

2013-10-16 02:57:42 +OPG (As in, like, separate aspects of the same monolith n' all that)

2013-10-16 02:57:48 Memospore759 what's up with the Tharnatos nowadays?

2013-10-16 02:57:58 %MK 3

2013-10-16 02:58:20 %MK @OPG, not that I'm aware of or working on

2013-10-16 02:58:30 %MK @759, his story is over

2013-10-16 02:58:31 Hermit_Qabal Been a gas.

2013-10-16 02:58:37 +RottenDeadite In Ehlnofex, what does AI mean?

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2013-10-16 02:58:42 +Varanu seeya, HQ

2013-10-16 02:58:45 +Varanu ....

2013-10-16 02:58:47 %MK AE or AI?

2013-10-16 02:58:51 +RottenDeadite AI

2013-10-16 02:59:08 Mojo What is the Breaking mentioned in the Magne-Ge text?

2013-10-16 02:59:25 %MK It's 'fex, hard to say. Say it really fucking loud and figure it out. seriously.

2013-10-16 02:59:34 +OPG 'eeeyyyy!!!

2013-10-16 02:59:35 +RottenDeadite Hmmm...

2013-10-16 02:59:36 %MK Breaking: Magnus left

2013-10-16 02:59:42 %MK 1

2013-10-16 03:00:03 +SemblioSanctii Followup, is there much more ehlnofex thought of or written out than what we've seen?

2013-10-16 03:00:03 +OPG Skyrim MQ; Alduin ending the kalpa or playing petty dictator?

2013-10-16 03:00:09 +RottenDeadite Dammit dude at some point please write something about the Walking Ways.

2013-10-16 03:00:09 +SemblioSanctii I mean, that's actually been considered.

2013-10-16 03:00:16 Mojo What is Magnus doing lately?

2013-10-16 03:00:17 _stille_ seconding Rotten

2013-10-16 03:00:26 %MK Everyone gets one more, stille gets two, one of which is her first

2013-10-16 03:00:28 %MK STOP

2013-10-16 03:00:46 %MK My hands can't type that fast

2013-10-16 03:00:49 +RottenDeadite :D

2013-10-16 03:00:52 %MK Okay, convene and go

2013-10-16 03:01:21 %MK piss-making

2013-10-16 03:01:24 %MK brb

2013-10-16 03:01:25 !Dovahkiin|Mobile Thinking over a cheese quesadilla.

2013-10-16 03:01:32 %MK (ha)

2013-10-16 03:02:05 +RottenDeadite Confirm or Deny: Hurling Disk = Amaranth?

2013-10-16 03:02:52 +myrrlyn The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?

2013-10-16 03:02:58 %MK one at a time

2013-10-16 03:03:08 %MK stille goes first with her first

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2013-10-16 03:03:18 +Varanu bye, bird :(

2013-10-16 03:03:22 %MK (Can't be bothered to scroll)

2013-10-16 03:03:22 +RottenDeadite :(

2013-10-16 03:03:41 _stille_ you mean the red flower one in azura and the box you said you won't answer yet?

2013-10-16 03:04:08 %MK Red box/flower is easy: wasn't me. Don't care.

2013-10-16 03:04:13 %MK Next.

2013-10-16 03:04:24 +RottenDeadite Is the Hurling Disk the Amaranth?

2013-10-16 03:04:38 %MK no

2013-10-16 03:04:44 * RottenDeadite nods.

2013-10-16 03:04:51 %MK (less one)

2013-10-16 03:04:53 %MK go

2013-10-16 03:05:11 +myrrlyn The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?

2013-10-16 03:05:43 %MK wow, this is a good one

2013-10-16 03:05:46 +RottenDeadite Yeah

2013-10-16 03:06:44 %MK It would be a cop out to say that there was just history of knowledge getting the way...

2013-10-16 03:07:33 %MK ...but there IS something important there. Let me convene with the actual writer of the Sermons and get back to you. You get a bonus one for that.

2013-10-16 03:07:42 +RottenDeadite hah

2013-10-16 03:07:47 Mojo Mnemoli- does it have to do with knowledge or memory of failed Amaranth?

2013-10-16 03:07:52 Neradac Who is Alinor? Or if he wasnt someone, whats the insect god the thalmor so lovingly worship?

2013-10-16 03:08:19 %MK @Mojo, that's a wide net you got there. Narrow it.

2013-10-16 03:08:46 Mojo hmmm

2013-10-16 03:08:59 %MK @Neredac, It's the oldest name of the Set. It wasn't a person in the sense you mean.

2013-10-16 03:09:29 +myrrlyn (taken from the community) Was there really a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, or was the actual truth just so strange that people could not agree on the transpired events?

2013-10-16 03:10:07 %MK Okay, first ask yourself if you really want me to answer that.

2013-10-16 03:10:12 %MK @Mojo: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic[/url]

2013-10-16 03:10:14 +myrrlyn eh, probably not

2013-10-16 03:10:24 +myrrlyn What is the Second Walking Way?

2013-10-16 03:10:48 Mojo I redact my question. I don't want it answered anymore

2013-10-16 03:11:30 %MK @myrrlyn, the long road that the enemy always puts before you but you walk it anyway

2013-10-16 03:11:46 +RottenDeadite O_O

2013-10-16 03:11:51 Mojo holy shit

2013-10-16 03:11:54 _stille_ we broke Rotten

2013-10-16 03:12:01 Mojo Back to the drawingboard for me

2013-10-16 03:12:02 * RottenDeadite drools a little...

2013-10-16 03:12:02 %MK ha

2013-10-16 03:12:04 +Varanu Rotten is having far too exciting an evening.

2013-10-16 03:12:12 %MK next

2013-10-16 03:12:18 +SemblioSanctii Did any important organs/organ-analogues of Lorkh's besides the Heart (and excluding ebony godsblood) survive, and if so might they be present on the moons?

2013-10-16 03:12:18 +RottenDeadite IT'S ALL ADDING UP BABY

2013-10-16 03:12:27 %MK (I really want a cheese quesadilla)

2013-10-16 03:12:30 +myrrlyn share with the class, bud

2013-10-16 03:12:30 !Dovahkiin ok, back

2013-10-16 03:12:37 !Dovahkiin quesadilla was delicious, and chipotle is fast

2013-10-16 03:12:43 _stille_ you'll have to tell us what's it all adding up to, Rotten :P

2013-10-16 03:12:58 %MK @SS, yep, a buncha his shit is up in them motherfuckers

2013-10-16 03:13:01 +SemblioSanctii Cool.

2013-10-16 03:13:34 %MK (That's not really an answer, but you already knew his body was both of 'em)

2013-10-16 03:14:04 %MK Also, he'll make an appearance in [NUMINIT]

2013-10-16 03:14:09 %MK next

2013-10-16 03:14:13 Mojo Replacement question- Have we seen "N" yet?

2013-10-16 03:14:32 %MK Didn't I answer that last night?

2013-10-16 03:14:38 +RottenDeadite Yeah, didn't you?

2013-10-16 03:14:40 !Dovahkiin Yes, you did

2013-10-16 03:14:40 Mojo You answered if N was the new man

2013-10-16 03:14:47 Mojo Aw shit

2013-10-16 03:14:52 %MK What did I say?

2013-10-16 03:15:00 +myrrlyn "that's what it means yeah"

2013-10-16 03:15:14 %MK I mean what I say. snort.

2013-10-16 03:15:16 %MK next

2013-10-16 03:15:46 %MK stille has one more, if I'm not wrong

2013-10-16 03:15:52 Neradac wait, is road 2 sort of being doom-driven then?

2013-10-16 03:15:53 _stille_ "Then Wulfharth said: "Don't you see where you really are? Don't you know who Shor really is? Don't you know what this war is?" And they looked from the King to the God to the Devils and Orcs, and some knew, really knew, and they are the ones that stayed."

2013-10-16 03:15:56 %MK anyone silent can make me a quesadilla

2013-10-16 03:15:57 _stille_ what did they really knew

2013-10-16 03:15:57 +OPG I haven't gone, either.

2013-10-16 03:16:05 +RottenDeadite I'll tell ya later Nera.

2013-10-16 03:16:09 _stille_ know even

2013-10-16 03:16:14 * _stille_ can't type

2013-10-16 03:16:17 %MK nice one

2013-10-16 03:16:25 !Dovahkiin I've been waiting for that one :)

2013-10-16 03:16:38 %MK They were inside the Dragon Break of the Red Moment

2013-10-16 03:16:47 Mojo snap

2013-10-16 03:16:48 !Dovahkiin OHHHHHHHH

2013-10-16 03:16:51 +RottenDeadite asdfasdfasdfasd

2013-10-16 03:16:54 +Varanu O_o

2013-10-16 03:16:58 _stille_ oh dear

2013-10-16 03:16:59 +Varanu I thought you weren't going to answer that one.

2013-10-16 03:17:05 %MK AMA

2013-10-16 03:17:14 %MK (Cept not really)

2013-10-16 03:17:33 +OPG Okay, mine.

2013-10-16 03:17:35 %MK I guess that kinda answers the one myrlynn was asking too

2013-10-16 03:17:35 +OPG What is Sithis?

2013-10-16 03:17:37 %MK oops

2013-10-16 03:17:48 %MK My Sithis?

2013-10-16 03:17:52 +RottenDeadite Yes.

2013-10-16 03:17:56 +OPG yep

2013-10-16 03:18:49 %MK At its basest, it would be complete and utter misanthropy

2013-10-16 03:19:02 Neradac Whats the meaning of the mix-ups between auri-el and Anui-el?

2013-10-16 03:19:07 %MK It's a hole

2013-10-16 03:19:19 +RottenDeadite And yet it's the start of all houses...?

2013-10-16 03:19:25 +RottenDeadite OH

2013-10-16 03:19:29 +RottenDeadite OH I think I get it.

2013-10-16 03:19:30 %MK That's how you... right.

2013-10-16 03:19:38 +RottenDeadite That's how you seperate yourself from other people.

2013-10-16 03:19:48 +RottenDeadite Houses divide people.

2013-10-16 03:19:51 Mojo ^

2013-10-16 03:19:52 _stille_ :D

2013-10-16 03:19:54 +RottenDeadite Sithis is the inspiration for seperation.

2013-10-16 03:20:00 %MK @Neredac, you had yours

2013-10-16 03:20:00 * RottenDeadite does a little dance.

2013-10-16 03:20:07 Neradac ah well :P

2013-10-16 03:20:32 %MK Are we all done? Did Morgan go?

2013-10-16 03:20:37 +myrrlyn i dont think so no

2013-10-16 03:20:39 +RottenDeadite No Morgan's thinking.

2013-10-16 03:20:40 %MK Otherwise, Imma bow out.

2013-10-16 03:20:41 !Dovahkiin V has one, I'm thinking. Still.

2013-10-16 03:20:51 %MK Go, V.

2013-10-16 03:20:52 +Varanu I haven't gone either, but I'm sort of mourning the Dragon Break at Red Mountain thing.

2013-10-16 03:20:53 !Dovahkiin (I think V has one)

2013-10-16 03:21:14 %MK Why mourning?

2013-10-16 03:21:28 +Varanu I had a long complicated fan theory about the whole thing ;)

2013-10-16 03:21:33 +Varanu as one does

2013-10-16 03:21:40 +RottenDeadite Not NEARLY as complex as my Sithis theory V :D

2013-10-16 03:21:41 %MK Remember always that your Nerevine gets to decide and no one else.

2013-10-16 03:21:51 +Varanu I was going to ask you who /really/ struck the Heart, Nerevar or Kagrenac, but if it was a Dragon Break...

2013-10-16 03:22:14 %MK If it was a Dragon Break, you get to tell me

2013-10-16 03:22:21 +Varanu ah, I suppose :)

2013-10-16 03:22:40 %MK You got one if you want it.

2013-10-16 03:23:14 Neradac brb

2013-10-16 03:23:20 %MK I really gotta call it at 10:30

2013-10-16 03:23:37 Mojo Yeah what happened to dinner?

2013-10-16 03:23:37 +Varanu ...why is Vivec so consistently presented as masculine, if he's a hermaphrodite?

2013-10-16 03:23:54 +Varanu Male pronouns, male appearance in game, etc.

2013-10-16 03:23:55 %MK oh, V, just...wait for it.

2013-10-16 03:23:59 %MK INFER

2013-10-16 03:24:07 +Varanu But it /is/ a thing?

2013-10-16 03:24:21 %MK it probably is the BEST thing

2013-10-16 03:24:33 +Varanu It's not just "characters are male unless specifically stated otherwise" oh YAY

2013-10-16 03:24:39 %MK not at all

2013-10-16 03:24:51 +Varanu :)

2013-10-16 03:25:03 !Dovahkiin What's with all the musical connotations behind Elder Scrolls? You said last night that tonal architecture is similar to synaesthesia, but there's obviously something greater at play here.

2013-10-16 03:25:19 !Dovahkiin [e.g. attuning spheres, etc]

2013-10-16 03:25:25 %MK You mean like, I dunno, the name of "C0DA"?

2013-10-16 03:25:34 +RottenDeadite OH FUCK ME

2013-10-16 03:25:37 !Dovahkiin Yeah, I'm still figuring that stuff out

2013-10-16 03:25:38 %MK lol

2013-10-16 03:26:08 %MK I can't really answer that without sounding like a fag

2013-10-16 03:26:13 %MK give me a moment

2013-10-16 03:26:17 +myrrlyn get your gay on then. it's fun.

2013-10-16 03:26:19 !Dovahkiin And, yeah, Coda = finale. I *knew* that. But...

2013-10-16 03:26:34 Neradac oh gawd..

2013-10-16 03:26:40 Mojo Finale isn't totally correct

2013-10-16 03:26:46 +RottenDeadite [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coda_(music"]http://en.wikipedia....iki/Coda_(music[/url])

2013-10-16 03:26:48 !Dovahkiin "closing piece"

2013-10-16 03:26:48 !Dovahkiin yeah

2013-10-16 03:26:50 +Varanu It's not really /quite/ a finale.

2013-10-16 03:26:50 +RottenDeadite For the techincally minded.

2013-10-16 03:26:51 +myrrlyn yeah it's more of a denouement, i guess?

2013-10-16 03:26:52 !Dovahkiin I was about to link that

2013-10-16 03:27:03 +Varanu Oh man. You know what would be /amazing/?

2013-10-16 03:27:05 +Varanu Landfall fugue.

2013-10-16 03:27:13 +Varanu I would listen to that /for ever/.

2013-10-16 03:27:15 Mojo It's an ending that is separate from the rest of the piece

2013-10-16 03:27:33 %MK seriously, hold and I'll answer the music question

2013-10-16 03:28:37 _stille_ we're holding, we're just holding while chattering excitedly at each other like kids on Christmas day waiting for the big present to be opened :P

2013-10-16 03:29:31 %MK don't get too worked up

2013-10-16 03:29:43 %MK Tamriel

2013-10-16 03:29:47 %MK Starry Heart

2013-10-16 03:29:55 %MK That whole fucking thing is a song

2013-10-16 03:30:07 %MK It was made either out of 12 planets

2013-10-16 03:30:27 %MK or from two brothers that split in the womb

2013-10-16 03:30:42 %MK either way, it's the primal wail

2013-10-16 03:30:56 %MK and those that grew up on it

2013-10-16 03:31:02 %MK they can't help but hear it

2013-10-16 03:31:06 %MK and add to it

2013-10-16 03:31:08 * _stille_ is playing the Sunshine adagio from here and recommends you do so too [media=]http://vimeo.com/45878034[/media]

2013-10-16 03:31:15 %MK or try to control it

2013-10-16 03:31:18 %MK or run from it

2013-10-16 03:31:24 Mojo Seems so obvious now

2013-10-16 03:31:25 Neradac hah

2013-10-16 03:31:37 %MK the reason there IS music on Tamriel at ALL

2013-10-16 03:31:47 %MK is because it exists

2013-10-16 03:31:49 * Varanu is listening to the Fugue in D Minor on harpsichord. Sunshine adagio will have to wait.

2013-10-16 03:32:01 %MK it was and is

2013-10-16 03:32:17 %MK and it will not stop

2013-10-16 03:32:25 %MK there are repeats in it

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2013-10-16 03:32:32 Mojo I have to get going guys. Talk to you all tomorrow. and Thanks MK for the advice and offers and of course spoilers

2013-10-16 03:32:33 Mojo Take care

2013-10-16 03:32:33 %MK plays on a tune

2013-10-16 03:32:34 +SemblioSanctii (hi 2939)

2013-10-16 03:32:38 +SemblioSanctii cya mojo

2013-10-16 03:32:40 %MK variations

2013-10-16 03:32:56 %MK and most likely

2013-10-16 03:32:59 -- Mojo is now known as Mojo_AFK

2013-10-16 03:33:03 %MK Magnus?

2013-10-16 03:33:13 %MK he's the one that made the fucker

2013-10-16 03:33:25 %MK and now that's why he looks back on it

2013-10-16 03:33:31 %MK every single day

2013-10-16 03:33:41 %MK that's his promise

2013-10-16 03:33:51 %MK when you wake up, I will still listen

2013-10-16 03:33:57 %MK I'm sorry I left

2013-10-16 03:33:58 %MK but hey

2013-10-16 03:33:59 _stille_ what about Magnus?

2013-10-16 03:34:06 %MK I'm still right up here

2013-10-16 03:34:09 +RottenDeadite I'll tell ya later stille

2013-10-16 03:34:25 +RottenDeadite The Aurbis is Love.

2013-10-16 03:34:34 %MK And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then.

2013-10-16 03:34:35 +RottenDeadite The Amaranth is Love.

2013-10-16 03:34:47 %MK and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around

2013-10-16 03:34:52 %MK the last real moment

2013-10-16 03:35:09 %MK The Mnemoli?

2013-10-16 03:35:18 %MK They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls.

2013-10-16 03:35:24 %MK They cannot be fixed until seen.

2013-10-16 03:35:35 %MK And they cannot be seen until a moment.

2013-10-16 03:35:48 %MK And you, your hero, makes that moment,

2013-10-16 03:35:54 %MK Does that make sense?

2013-10-16 03:35:57 +Umpteen A lot.

2013-10-16 03:35:57 _stille_ yes

2013-10-16 03:35:58 %MK Cuz I'm done.

2013-10-16 03:35:59 !Dovahkiin Yes

2013-10-16 03:36:00 +SemblioSanctii I... yeah.

2013-10-16 03:36:01 +myrrlyn that

2013-10-16 03:36:01 Neradac da

2013-10-16 03:36:01 +myrrlyn was

2013-10-16 03:36:02 +SemblioSanctii thanks

2013-10-16 03:36:03 +Varanu 's pretty :)

2013-10-16 03:36:04 +myrrlyn beautiful

2013-10-16 03:36:08 _stille_ I'd hug you were we in the same room.

2013-10-16 03:36:10 +OPG huh

2013-10-16 03:36:45 +Umpteen So, that solar library.

2013-10-16 03:36:48 %MK Thanks for a good question to end on, Morgan.

2013-10-16 03:37:09 !Dovahkiin Best answer. Thank you.

2013-10-16 03:37:10 %MK lol fuck off, umpteen. I can't do more than that tonight.

2013-10-16 03:37:16 +RottenDeadite Hehehe

2013-10-16 03:37:20 +Varanu lol

2013-10-16 03:37:27 +RottenDeadite Going to bed.

2013-10-16 03:37:31 +RottenDeadite Thank you so much, MK.

2013-10-16 03:37:38 %MK one second, Chris

2013-10-16 03:37:45 %MK Think about the last scene in C0DA

2013-10-16 03:37:52 +RottenDeadite Yeah I FUCKING AM DUDE :D

2013-10-16 03:37:53 %MK And ask me about music again.

2013-10-16 03:38:00 %MK lol.

2013-10-16 03:38:05 !Dovahkiin who are you talking to? :P

2013-10-16 03:38:13 +RottenDeadite It's the formula of the tetragrammatron

2013-10-16 03:38:21 %MK "I wrote of this in a [future] life"

2013-10-16 03:38:25 %MK no spoilers

2013-10-16 03:38:56 %MK But yeah. Last scene. Last page. There's your music. There's your coda to the last time around.

2013-10-16 03:39:09 +RottenDeadite I'm gonna sleep and dream the greatest stuff ever.

2013-10-16 03:39:12 %MK Time to make new moments.

2013-10-16 03:39:20 %MK Best place for it.

2013-10-16 03:39:20 !Dovahkiin ...

2013-10-16 03:39:22 !Dovahkiin Oh.

2013-10-16 03:39:25 %MK Dream, people.

2013-10-16 03:39:41 +RottenDeadite Goodnight, all!

2013-10-16 03:39:44 !Dovahkiin Night, RD

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2013-10-16 03:39:48 +Varanu night, Rotten :)

2013-10-16 03:39:49 +Varanu ...

2013-10-16 03:39:52 +Varanu again

2013-10-16 03:39:54 %MK aight. I'm out too.

2013-10-16 03:40:01 +Varanu seeya :)

2013-10-16 03:40:01 +Umpteen K bye have fun

2013-10-16 03:40:01 _stille_ night Rotten

2013-10-16 03:40:07 +Varanu ty stille

2013-10-16 03:40:11 +SemblioSanctii Thanks and see ya.

2013-10-16 03:40:17 !Dovahkiin Cya MK

2013-10-16 03:40:18 %MK We could do this on reddit, but I fear them.

2013-10-16 03:40:30 +myrrlyn teslore's pretty nice this time of year

2013-10-16 03:40:33 %MK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DWEMER?

2013-10-16 03:40:37 +Varanu makes sense, they are all savage beasts over there

2013-10-16 03:40:38 +Varanu lol

2013-10-16 03:40:42 +SemblioSanctii If it's a live one, PoPs & co

2013-10-16 03:40:42 !Dovahkiin Mods would remove that crap

2013-10-16 03:40:43 %MK HOW LONG DO ELVES LIVE?

2013-10-16 03:40:46 +SemblioSanctii can beat down inanity very well

2013-10-16 03:40:53 +myrrlyn god dammit now you gave them another century

2013-10-16 03:40:55 _stille_ WHAT ARE THE RW EQUIVALENT TO TES RACES?!?!

2013-10-16 03:41:07 * _stille_ stabs herself in the eye

2013-10-16 03:41:08 +Varanu If Stormcloak Vivec and Imperial Tiber Septim had a fight, who would win and where would the loser's soul go after he died?

2013-10-16 03:41:10 %MK Maybe we will. But there's something about writing live that it wouldn't replace.

2013-10-16 03:41:23 %MK lol

2013-10-16 03:41:24 !Dovahkiin lol Varanu

2013-10-16 03:41:45 %MK talk soon.

2013-10-16 03:41:47 %MK night.

2013-10-16 03:41:49 +SemblioSanctii night

2013-10-16 03:41:49 _stille_ night

2013-10-16 03:41:52 <-- MK (~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: )

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[16:05] <Mojo> okay so I have a potential backer

[16:06] <Mojo> He of course wants to review our Business Model and one-shot, but it's a potential $100/month

[16:06] <Mojo> Regardless of Masser or Secunda

[16:08]  * Mojo thought there would be a stronger reaction

[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Sorry

[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> only partially here myself

[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> that's good though

[16:08] <+SemblioSanctii> :)

[16:09] <Mojo> Potential capital is growing.

[16:09] <Mojo> :)

[16:13] <Thrice-Crusade> thats cool Mojo

[16:14] <Mojo> He really loves the idea of the Project so it's an essential lock, but he wants to make sure just in case

[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> thats realy cool

[16:14] <Mojo> So we got a bit of leeway now

[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> and hes realy willing to give us money

[16:14] <Mojo> Really really

[16:14] <Thrice-Crusade> i mean. 100 a month aint nothing

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[16:15] <+Varanu> backer, Mojito?

[16:15] <+Varanu> anyone we know?

[16:15] <Mojo> Nah, one of my friends

[16:15]  * Varanu is excited even if TC ain't

[16:16] <Mojo> I think TC is excited

[16:16] <Mojo> We aren't as chained, if you will, to MK and his Secunda demand

[16:16] <+Varanu> We weren't chained before, that's why I made the monetary offer I did :/

[16:17] <Mojo> Oh I know

[16:17] <Mojo> But it's nice to get outside support

[16:17] <Mojo> In my opinion, the incentive is that much stronger

[16:17] <+Varanu> Honestly, I think the thing MK /really/ has to offer in terms of support isn't money, it's his name.

[16:17] <Mojo> I don't like letting myself down, don't get me wrong, but I HATE letting other people down.

[16:17] <+Varanu> oh lol Mojito, I'm the same way :)

[16:18] <+Varanu> (also you don't mind the Mojito nickname do you? It was an accident at first but I kinda like it.)

[16:18] <+Varanu> (I can stop if it bothers you :P)

[16:18] <Mojo> Actually I like it

[16:18] <Mojo> Makes me chuckle

[16:18] <+Varanu> yay :)

[16:18] == Mojo has changed nick to mojito

[16:18] == mojito has changed nick to Mojito

[16:19] <Mojito> I need that capital M

[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> you are correct varanu

[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> there have been plenty of big mod projects

[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> but somethign with MKs name on it

[16:22] <Thrice-Crusade> could make a difference

[16:23] <+Varanu> on the other hand something with MK's name on it becomes "that sweet mod MK made"

[16:23] <+Varanu> idk if my pride could handle that ;)

[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Then again, it could also cause some people to just outright turn away. Between the ones who just don't like his stuff, don't like the "ONLY MK CAN SAVE ELDER SCROLLS"-type fans, and the ones who think it's all too deep for them

[16:23] <+SemblioSanctii> .

[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> "could"

[16:24]  * Varanu is kidding, of course

[16:24] <+Varanu> Oh, that's true.

[16:24] <Mojito> good points

[16:24] <+SemblioSanctii> Still so very hypothetical.

[16:24] <+Varanu> he's rather a polarizing figure, isn't he

[16:24] <Ctrl-Z> If I may interject, most folk outside the lore communities don't have a clue, nor really care, who MK is.

[16:25] <Thrice-Crusade> which is good

[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> because if they did theyd hate him

[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> as for the lore community

[16:26] <+Varanu> lol

[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> those that dont like him

[16:26] <Thrice-Crusade> will probably at least try a mod made by lorumites

[16:26] <+Varanu> That's a good point, though. If we're pitching this to the wider TES community and not just lorenerds, it turns out to not actually be that big a deal.

[16:26] <Ctrl-Z> If you're at all involved in the lore community and don't like him you learn to put up with him, because there's very little getting away with him.

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[16:29] <+Varanu> Mojito, y'know, if I put in $100 a month, and you put in $100 a month, it potentially becomes a case of you not letting me down, and me not letting you down.

[16:29] <+Varanu> Just a thought.

[16:29] <Mojito> Very true

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[16:29] <+Varanu> And I don't mean you and me specifically, of course.

[16:29] <Mojito> Good point V

[16:29] <+Varanu> hiya, Rotten :)

[16:29] <+RottenDeadite> Hello, all.

[16:29] <Mojito> Heyo Rotten

[16:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hi

[16:30] <Mojito> RottenDeadite, we have another potential backer

[16:30] <Thrice-Crusade> so rotten,varan hangout happening now or what?

[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Oh?  Who?

[16:30] <Mojito> one of my friends

[16:30] <+Varanu> give me a couple of minutes, TC, I have to clear off my desk enough to take notes

[16:30] <+RottenDeadite> Neato

[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> im just askign if its happening

[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> cause rotten just came back

[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> I dunno how we're going to deal with taking on more money.

[16:32] <Thrice-Crusade> no biggie

[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> And yeah, TC, it's happening.

[16:32] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna happen.

[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> You're gonna play it.

[16:33] <+RottenDeadite> It's gonna etc.

[16:37] <+Varanu> ok, desk clear. grabbing a food object, then I can be ready.

[16:37]  * Varanu just realized she hasn't eaten anything yet today O_o

[16:37] <+SemblioSanctii> ...dude.

[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> after my long study of the american language

[16:41] <Thrice-Crusade> i am convinced the proper reaction would be something along the line sof "guuuurl"

[16:42] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah TC that's about right.

[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> WOOOO

[16:43] <Thrice-Crusade> my itnernet just died

[16:43] <+Varanu> how are you still here O_o

[16:43] <+SemblioSanctii> ~magicka~

[16:43] <Mojito> Dreamsleeve

[16:43] <+Varanu> and I have acquired food now so all is well

[16:44] <+RottenDeadite> Invites sent.

[16:45] <Mojito> Test

[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> tersted

[16:45] <Mojito> my computer started to lose power or something

[16:45] <+RottenDeadite> Eww.

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[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> geh

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[16:45] <+SemblioSanctii> not seing invite, again

[16:45] <Mojito> no invite

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[16:46] <+SemblioSanctii> hi OPG

[16:46] <+OPG> Hey

[16:46] <Mojito> Hola

[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> sec

[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> this thing is weird now

[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> like

[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> new window

[16:47] <Thrice-Crusade> and all

[16:48] <+OPG> Meeting?

[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> attempting

[16:48] <+SemblioSanctii> RottenDeadite, still nothing

[16:49] <+RottenDeadite> otw semb

[16:49] <+SemblioSanctii> k

[16:50] <+RottenDeadite> Still no invite, Semb?

[16:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Nope.

[16:50] <Mojito> Nothing for me either

[16:51] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito what's your address?

[16:51] <Mojito> mojonation1487@gmail.com

[16:53] <Mojito> fucking mic is broken I think

[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> make sure

[16:53] <+SemblioSanctii> that it's not muting you

[16:54] <+SemblioSanctii> sometimes it mutes on join

[16:54] <+RottenDeadite> Mojito you might have to tell  Google Hangout which mic to use.

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[17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Hi

[17:14] <!Dovahkiin> Done with travel. \O/

[17:14] <+SemblioSanctii> hi dovah

[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> BTW. Yes, I already have a mail server

[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> doing a hangout now if you want in

[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> And if y'all need SSH accounts, that can work too

[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Ooh

[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, invite me

[17:15] <+SemblioSanctii> kk

[17:15] <!Dovahkiin> integ3rs@gmail.com

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[17:50] == Alexandyrr has changed nick to minimyrr

[17:56] == Mojito has changed nick to Mojo

[18:00] <minimyrr> my roommate and i are swapping movies and tv shows

[18:01] <minimyrr> i sold him my old hard drive

[18:01] <minimyrr> (he's on myrrlyn right now)

[18:01] <minimyrr> and so he's got lots of empty storage space

[18:02] <minimyrr> so he took Star Trek, and i was like "it's gonna be big"

[18:02] <minimyrr> "zero fucks given" he says

[18:02] <minimyrr> the display shoots up to 120gb. "FUCKS GIVEN! FUCKS GIVEN!"

[18:02] <minimyrr> ...it's funnier in person

[18:02] <+myrrlyn> so I had this class, It was microbiology

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[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> hi umpteen

[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr

[18:08] <+Umpteen> Hullo all.

[18:08] <minimyrr> sup

[18:08] <+SemblioSanctii> (in hangout atm)

[18:08] <Mojo> Forgot about this, Hola!

[18:09] <minimyrr> hangout?

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> yeha

[18:09] <minimyrr> where?

[18:09]  * minimyrr needs in

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> honestly right now we're just shooting the shit on the lessons

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> google

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> need an address to send an invite

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> :)

[18:09] <minimyrr> wyzyrdmyrrlyn@gmail.com

[18:09] <+Umpteen> Too late for hangout here, but tell me if you turn up anything juicy.

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> sent

[18:09] <+SemblioSanctii> k

[18:11] <minimyrr> Ross?

[18:11] <minimyrr> nice name

[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> yeah that's me

[18:11] <Neradac> whered rotten go?

[18:11] <+SemblioSanctii> link working myrr?

[18:11] <minimyrr> im not sure

[18:13] <minimyrr> yes it is.

[18:13] <minimyrr> we're watching a movie right now so i probably wont' stick around

[18:13] <+SemblioSanctii> k, np

[18:14] <+SemblioSanctii> Neradac, he's in hangout as well so ping him if you wanna get his attention

[18:17] <Mojo> be back in a bit

[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Hey I had to quit the hangout because I gotta write.

[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> What's up?

[18:18] == You have been marked as being away

[18:18] <minimyrr> everyone else left too

[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Oh okay.  That's for the best, we got homework.

[18:18] <minimyrr> oh?

[18:18] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, self-imposed homework.

[18:18] <minimyrr> i gathered.

[18:19] <minimyrr> anything you want me to do?

[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Nah we're making proposal cases for our Masser stuff.  Just quick summaries, just for tonight.

[18:19] <+OPG> Hey Myrr, what'd MK end up telling you about the Numidium stuff?

[18:19] <+RottenDeadite> Then we get back to work on the other stuff.

[18:19] <minimyrr> your brothers have anything to say about incorporation?

[18:20] <minimyrr> no cyrus if i please

[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> Not yet, Myrr.  Gonna call 'em tonight or this weekend at the latest.

[18:20] <+Varanu> k, I'mma go write my summaries and talk to my husband :)

[18:20] <minimyrr> nighty night

[18:20] <+Varanu> oh, I'll be back later

[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> Maybe this is a bad sign, but there's nothing I'm really incredibly attached to that I've presonally invested a lot into that I want to spend that time defending. :|

[18:20] <+RottenDeadite> It occurs to me they may not be much help.  One of 'em is personal injury and the other one works for the state dept.

[18:20] <+SemblioSanctii> cya myrr

[18:20] <+Varanu> shouldn't take long

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[18:20] <minimyrr> then ill say day'y day

[18:20] <minimyrr> well they might know something, or have tips

[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah probably.

[18:21] <minimyrr> i'm going to incorporate just myself for practice, in an unrelated thing

[18:21] <+OPG> Summary: Lunar Economy, Dream Trade, Revantic Sload (and their relationship with Masser/Secunda, Nucyrod/Lleswer).

[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> That's fine, Semb.  I mostly wanna keep the Soul Trade market and Cuhlecaine.

[18:21] <+SemblioSanctii> Incorporating as a nonprofit in Delaware costs like... what, $250, 300?

[18:21] <+RottenDeadite> Something like htat.

[18:21] <minimyrr> i dunno. i'll look into michigan costs

[18:22] <+RottenDeadite> Non profit is tricky, though, when it comes to taxes.

[18:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Right.

[18:22] <Neradac> rottin

[18:22] <minimyrr> well if we have no influx of money, nonprofit is fine

[18:22] <+OPG> I have tons of other stuff I want, but the Lunar Economy is the most influential thing. I dunno what I'll do if he refuses it.

[18:22] <minimyrr> and if we have money, we put it all into expense or salaries, and call it good, yeah?

[18:22] <+OPG> At best, I'll straight up copy and paste it into my other worldbuilding thing.

[18:23] <+RottenDeadite> Myrr I don't even know enough about it to know if you're kidding.

[18:23] <minimyrr> me neither. my only work with nonprofits has been three levels below finance worries

[18:23] <+SemblioSanctii> Meh, someone kidnap a CPA and interrogate them. Problem solved.

[18:24] <minimyrr> i know a guy

[18:24] <Neradac> rawten

[18:25] <+TC01> Wait, so, what was decided re: Masser/Secunda?

[18:25] <+TC01> or was anything decided?

[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We haven't definitevely decided yet

[18:25] <+SemblioSanctii> We're

[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> not exactly doing a counterproposal, but trying to get actual statements on his vision and goals vs. their compatability with the things we've actually spent any reall dev time on

[18:26] <+SemblioSanctii> i.e. NPCs, certain quests, etc.

[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> And of course we disucssed what we ourselves think is feasible regarding adapting that sort of stuff.

[18:27]  * TC01 nods

[18:27] <+TC01> Sounds reasonable

[18:27] <+OPG> Yo, how do you make a new chat? I seriously want #revenant

[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> forget the syntax for IRCHighway

[18:27] <+SemblioSanctii> um

[18:27] <!Dovahkiin> just /join it

[18:28] <minimyrr>  /join #revenant

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[18:28] <+SemblioSanctii> "/msg ChanServ REGISTER channel password description" if you feel like keeping it

[18:30] <+OPG> What was that earlier about MK not liking Orcs?

[18:30] <+OPG> Somebody mentioned that in the chat.

[18:30] <minimyrr> "we're a trope"

[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> He said he didn't like them

[18:30] <+SemblioSanctii> during his AMA period last night

[18:31] <+SemblioSanctii> and myrr persisted. :p

[18:31] <minimyrr> it was a bit stronger than that

[18:31] <+Majide_Foundation> Because Talos.

[18:31] <minimyrr> i was... emotionally compromised

[18:31] <+RottenDeadite> He doesn't like them because they're too close to the D&D thing for his taste.

[18:31]  * Dovahkiin sighs

[18:31] <+OPG> That's probably the reason why Tiber was racist against Orcs.

[18:31] <!Dovahkiin> ^

[18:31] <minimyrr> twatwaffle

[18:32] <+OPG> Anybody ask him which PGE 1 bits he wrote? I'm curious about that.

[18:32] <+Majide_Foundation> Yeah but like we have all that cool 5 Songs of Wulfharth stuff and Dumalacath... hey, maybe he just wished that the orcs WERE dwarves.

[18:32] <minimyrr> we did not no

[18:32] <minimyrr> i'm pretty happy with orcs not being dwarves

[18:33] <Neradac> but theyre shit, its cool

[18:33] <+OPG> Definitely Morrowind. Maybe Cyrod, since everybody seems to like attributing Weird Cyrod to him...definitely not Black Marsh, and I guess not Orsinium.

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[18:33]  * minimyrr crosses arms and harrumphs

[18:33] <Neradac> then make orcs cooler

[18:33] <minimyrr> i

[18:33] <minimyrr> will

[18:33] <Neradac> give him something to spin and grunt happily

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[18:34] <+OPG> Myrr, make an Orcish aristocracy.

[18:34] <Neradac> that timing

[18:34] <+OPG> Delicate boned waifs

[18:34] <minimyrr> yeah...

[18:34] <+RottenDeadite> Heeeey MK

[18:34] <!Dovahkiin> hi

[18:34] <MK> I have too many eyes

[18:34] <+OPG> Wearing communities of gremlins in their spectacular headdresses

[18:34] <MK> hey guys

[18:34] <+OPG> Heya

[18:34] <+Umpolung> hi

[18:34] == You are no longer marked as being away

[18:34] <Mojo> Hey MK

[18:34] <Neradac> lo

[18:34] == Umpolung has changed nick to Umpteen

[18:34] <MK> waiting on a food solution, wanted to check in

[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Trivia question for you guys: First Dr. Who episode to feature the Sontarans?

[18:35] <minimyrr> no clue

[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Anyone?

[18:35] <MK> Also, I'm an asshole with spoilers to give

[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Me neither :(

[18:35] <+RottenDeadite> Spoilers?  For what?

[18:35] <Neradac> do tell

[18:35] <+OPG> Hey MK, I thought of a question just before you came in. Do you remember who wrote which bits of PGE 1?

[18:35] == mode/#memospore2 [+h MK] by Dovahkiin

[18:35] <%MK> What mode is that, asshole?

[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> hehe

[18:36] <!Dovahkiin> +h = halfop

[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Bright blue dot in YChat.

[18:36] <%MK> same question, same tone

[18:36] <+RottenDeadite> Never seen that one.

[18:36] <minimyrr> % for me

[18:36] <%MK> Huh

[18:36] <%MK> fair enough

[18:36] <%MK> Sontarans? I could give a shit.

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[18:36] <%MK> Wait

[18:36] <minimyrr> A puts him between ops and dovah, and should be a &

[18:36] <minimyrr> +A, i mean

[18:37] <%MK> OPS had something

[18:37] <%MK> or whatever the fuck his handle is

[18:37] <%MK> USE NAMES

[18:37] == minimyrr has changed nick to Alexandyrr

[18:37] <%MK> Okay, I scrolled. Yes, I do.

[18:37] <Alexandyrr> "The Time Warrior"

[18:38] <Mojo> Googe Fu is strong

[18:38] <Mojo> ;)

[18:38] <+RottenDeadite> Thanks myrr

[18:38] <Alexandyrr> anytime bruh

[18:38] <%MK> 'bruh' is banned

[18:38] <Alexandyrr> brotten?

[18:38] <Alexandyrr> it's okay, i say it ironically

[18:38]  * SemblioSanctii ironically pushes Alexandyrr into a corner

[18:39] <%MK> Morgan, send us your address again via other channel

[18:39] <%MK> You'll get your Sul

[18:39] <%MK> Irony is a poor man's gay Kevlar, you lose.

[18:39] <Alexandyrr> only if i don't want to get shot;)

[18:40] <%MK> OPG, you had a question

[18:40] <+OPG> PGE 1. Do you remember who wrote which bits?

[18:40] <%MK> lt's do that before I get to business

[18:40] <%MK> YES MOTHERFUCKER

[18:40] <%MK> PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMS AND SHIT

[18:40] <Alexandyrr> would you mind eludicating us on that?

[18:41] <%MK> already answered that

[18:41] <%MK> stop cross talking when I come in here

[18:41] <%MK> So, OPG, whatcha wanna know?

[18:41] <%MK> My time is short.

[18:42] <%MK> I have dinner approaching.

[18:42] <+OPG> uh.

[18:42] <%MK> Fuck it

[18:42] <+OPG> Do you remember who wrote which parts of PGE 1? That's all I really want to know.

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[18:42] <%MK> Yes, I do. Every word.

[18:42] <%MK> Now

[18:42] <%MK> Business

[18:42] <%MK> What have you guys decided?

[18:43] <%MK> (Every single word)

[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> We're on board.  We wanna see where this goes.  And the education is incredibly useful.

[18:43] <%MK> Okay, so 11/1 I get what I want, yes?

[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Or we get nothing, that's the deal.

[18:43] <%MK> Business Model, one-sheet

[18:43] <%MK> right

[18:43] <+RottenDeadite> Did you ever find that template?

[18:44] <%MK> Start on that one on your own

[18:44] <+RottenDeadite> k

[18:44] <!Dovahkiin> np

[18:44] <%MK> Make it in PowerPoint

[18:44] <%MK> or something akin to it

[18:44] <Alexandyrr> i can do that.

[18:44] <%MK> I want to see it horizontal

[18:45] <+RottenDeadite> Really?  Why horizontal...?

[18:45] <%MK> Within the week, I'll show an example. There might be some rush to fix yours, but that's expected.

[18:45] <%MK> Rotten, that's an easy answer.

[18:46] <%MK> Do you rotate your television to watch movies?

[18:46] <%MK> No, you don't/

[18:46] <%MK> So I'm expect nothing less.

[18:46] <+RottenDeadite> Ah, I see.  You want it to look good on a monitor or a projection screen.

[18:46] <%MK> I look at a screen. I don't read a doc.

[18:46] <%MK> ding

[18:46] <%MK> Yes

[18:47]  * Mojo notices Varanu is MIA yet again

[18:47] <Alexandyrr> she's working/with her hubby

[18:48] <%MK> I can give you an example. But it can't go into the wild.

[18:48] <Alexandyrr> mum's the word

[18:49] <%MK> If it does, I'll pull more than just funding. I'll pull lawyers. Y/N?

[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> Really we just need structure but my main concern is that any examples we find online will be somehow inappropriate.

[18:49] <Mojo> Y

[18:49] <+RottenDeadite> You could just bump it to me, MK.

[18:49] <%MK> If you respect me at all, this is your chance.

[18:49] <!Dovahkiin> We'll be fine.

[18:50] <%MK> If I find this in the wild, I will come after you.

[18:50] <!Dovahkiin> I trust everyone in this channel

[18:50] <%MK> Morgan, you have my trust. Kick anyone that is suspicious.

[18:50] <%MK> sec

[18:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK just send it to me or morgan.  Email's; ffine.

[18:51] <%MK> You're being insular again

[18:52] <%MK> This example is not a one-sheet, really

[18:52] == mode/#memospore2 [+k kathutet] by Dovahkiin

[18:52] <%MK> it was the next step

[18:52] <%MK> a "3 sheet"

[18:52] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  Okay, gotcha.

[18:53] <%MK> just goes like this

[18:54] <%MK> It has a lot of corpspeak

[18:54] <%MK> Any business will have to get used to that

[18:55] <%MK> Can I upload a PDF here?

[18:56] <!Dovahkiin> You can dropbox it or google drive it

[18:56] <Alexandyrr> not directly to the chat, i don't think...

[18:56] <%MK> Not gdriving shit

[18:56] <_stille_> nope, not directly

[18:56] <_stille_> also hey MK

[18:56] <%MK> fari enough. email.

[18:56] <%MK> hey, stille

[18:56] <Alexandyrr> can we pass the email around internally or no?

[18:56] <%MK> Chris, email me again

[18:57] <%MK> Yes, Alex, but if this goes out I will play with your blood.

[18:57] <Mojo> Reasonable terms

[18:57] <_stille_> yep

[18:57] <+RottenDeadite> Email sent MK

[18:57] <Alexandyrr> it's good fun. i like a bit of that from time to time

[19:02] <%MK> okay, chris and morgan, incoming

[19:02] <%MK> Sent

[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> Got iy

[19:03] <!Dovahkiin> it

[19:03] <%MK> That's a 3-sheet

[19:03] <%MK> not a one sheet

[19:03] <%MK> it was denied at the 3-sheet step

[19:03] <%MK> but passed the one-sheet step

[19:03] <%MK> I expect the same

[19:04] <+RottenDeadite> Okay about the artwork.  What quality are you expecting here?  Because I don't think we can get anything seriously impressive rendered by the 1st.

[19:05] <%MK> No, but you can show me your intentions and show me how you'd use the money to secure it, right?

[19:05] <!Dovahkiin> *Something* at least descriptive would be the idea

[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> Okay, just making sure I understand your expectations.

[19:05] <+RottenDeadite> We'll get the best we can find.

[19:05] <%MK> Wrong

[19:05] <%MK> The best you can afford and coerce

[19:06] <%MK> Part of this is finding the right artists

[19:07] <%MK> It's easy in that sense

[19:07] <%MK> if you follow the What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It

[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> So should we write the doc up, include some appropriate (but not commissioned) artwork, and then tell you where your money would go for the Real artwork? Something like that?

[19:08] <%MK> this is also an internal one-sheet

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[19:08] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooh internal gotcha.

[19:09] <+RottenDeadite> I'm noticing this language.  "Develop.  Dominate.  Destroy" etc.

[19:09] <%MK> Right

[19:09] <%MK> That's how you have to sell it

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[19:09] <%MK> For better or worse

[19:09] <%MK> http://nadmoremtuman...unset-283020612

[19:09] <%MK> As internal, you can Googlegrab as much as you want

[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> Ah now that's actually an exciting prospect.

[19:10] <%MK> It's how Parallax got past a one-sheet

[19:10] <+Varanu> Can someone catch me up, please? What's up?

[19:10] <+RottenDeadite> MK's given us a Business Plan (a 3-sheet to the first 1-sheet) to look ati.

[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> *at

[19:11] <%MK> On a 3-sheet? We got to use the concept division. It didn't pass. Not because they did anything wrong. It's just business.

[19:11] <%MK> Send it to V, she can keep it secret.

[19:11] <+Varanu> link?

[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK I figured it was just business.  Good idea, but not the right time, I'm guessing?

[19:11] <%MK> Or I destroy her.

[19:11] <+RottenDeadite> I'll email it to ya V.

[19:11] <%MK> Not the right time or tech

[19:11] <+Varanu> hah

[19:11] <%MK> correct

[19:11] <+Varanu> here, MK, I'll tell you my realname, then you can destroy me properly

[19:11] <+Varanu> I'm Jessie Suk Roy

[19:12] <%MK> I prefer real names

[19:12] <%MK> Okay, Jessie

[19:12] <%MK> I already know you're onboard

[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> Hah yeah the first thing I thought when I read that doc, MK, was "what in God's name will this run on?" :D

[19:12] <!Dovahkiin> Varanu: sent to you

[19:12] <%MK> One thing to remember

[19:12] <%MK> This 3-shhet?

[19:12] <%MK> "shhet"

[19:12] <+RottenDeadite> SEHT

[19:12] <%MK> Done in three hours

[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> O_O

[19:13] <%MK> That's how fast it gets

[19:13] <%MK> You get an elevator

[19:13] <%MK> Then you get a lunch

[19:13] <+RottenDeadite> Just you working on it?

[19:14] <%MK> PC, Rotten. That was my bad.

[19:14] <%MK> Nope. Like I said, I was allowed to bring in concept.

[19:14] <_stille_> wait those images were done in 3h too?

[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> The "screenshots" are largely other games, I think.

[19:15] <%MK> Weigh this idea versus a bubble shooter

[19:15] <%MK> yep yep

[19:15] <%MK> Now with "paint overs" to help sell

[19:15] <+RottenDeadite> Finger thing is a mockup, yeah.

[19:15] <%MK> There you go

[19:15] <%MK> Now act like an asshole

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> So let me guess, you had to present this in a boardroom wiht a bunch of other people pitching their stuff in the same meeting?

[19:16] <%MK> Bubble Shooter or Croos-Time Tycoon?

[19:16] <%MK> *Cross

[19:16] <%MK> No, worse

[19:16] <%MK> Email ether

[19:16] <+RottenDeadite> Bubble Shooter's a bigger market with a broader established fan base and works better for casual, quickie games on the bus.

[19:16] <%MK> bam

[19:16]  * RottenDeadite shrugs.

[19:17] <%MK> there, see, it was my bad

[19:17] <%MK> I pushed

[19:17] <%MK> This is what we do

[19:18] <%MK> We have three hours to do this thing because there are 44,000 other things to look at

[19:19] <%MK> and the whole of the net to analyze AppStore and Google Play (snort-- no one does that)

[19:19] <%MK> And when they look at you and your awesome asynch tycoon idea?

[19:19] <%MK> They see no clones

[19:19] <%MK> MY BAD

[19:20] <%MK> I wasted time, effort and money

[19:21] <%MK> the floor is open

[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> So we're wondering about what parts of the project we've written that we can bring to Secunda.

[19:21] <+RottenDeadite> And what you've got planned for, for example, the quests and such.

[19:22] <%MK> (I have no access right now to the one-sheet that allowed the evolution)

[19:22] <+RottenDeadite> I've suggested that everybody pick what they want to keep and write up a 500 words or less (preferrably less) description of it.  We'll submit it whenever you're ready for it.

[19:22] <%MK> Really? That's what you're wondering about?

[19:22] <_stille_> correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the one-sheet supposed to be much more basic than stuff we can bring to Secunda?

[19:23] <_stille_> I think we're supposed to do this by the book, so concept! bare-bones idea!

[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> Because most of us are wondering if we're interested enough to stick it out in this project, dude.

[19:23] <%MK> Apologies, Chris. I figured there would be a log.

[19:23] <%MK> One sheet pitch. Four images.

[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> The one-sheet is VERY terse, stille.  Did you read the logs we sent you?

[19:23] <_stille_> yeah

[19:23] <+RottenDeadite> DID we send you logs..?  Oh okay good :D

[19:23] <!Dovahkiin> That might be a decision that we'll have to make. It's a venture, after all

[19:23] <_stille_> you didn't but I read the channel logs

[19:24] <_stille_> unless there's more stuff

[19:24] <%MK> First image: Whoa. Stinger text. One sentence.

[19:24] <%MK> Then: What I Do, How I Do It, Why I Do It. Images say all of the things.

[19:24] <%MK> Because any text?

[19:24] <%MK> on those last three: a text message

[19:25] <%MK> 500 words is jumping out a window with your tie unraveled.

[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> Heh

[19:25] <+RottenDeadite> The 1-sheet is like a flyer you hand out to people on the street, I believe is what you called it.

[19:25] <%MK> DOMINATE, DESTROY, DISCOVER

[19:26] <%MK> yeah

[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> It's gotta grab 'em fast.  Faster than a movie trailer.

[19:26] <+RottenDeadite> Like fast like a movie poster that has no trailer.

[19:26] <%MK> yep, which is why horizontal, too

[19:26] <%MK> Your 500 words or less quest bullshit?

[19:26] <%MK> That's a loooong time from now.

[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> That's more of a treatment

[19:27] <!Dovahkiin> (I think)

[19:27] <%MK> one-sheet + plan

[19:27] <%MK> 3-sheet + demonstrable progress

[19:27] <%MK> Then a greenlight

[19:27] <Neradac> neat

[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah MK it's a long time from now, but a lot of people are concerned about putting work into this if the project ends up being something they don't give a crap about.

[19:27] <+RottenDeadite> Let me say this:

[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Not a one of us, to my knoweldge, are interested in being game designers for a living.

[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> But we DO want to give the lore community something amazing.

[19:28] <%MK> You done?

[19:28] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah and I'm gonna do that from time to time ;)

[19:28] <%MK> Okay, then. What you're doing isn't a mod.

[19:29] <%MK> You're being an asshat.

[19:29] <%MK> You want to give them something amazing?

[19:29] <!Dovahkiin> This isn't a AAA title...

[19:29] <%MK> Then make a fucking mod.

[19:29] <%MK> Otherwise: write

[19:29] <%MK> Wrong, Morgan

[19:30] <%MK> If you want 'amazing' you must treat it that way

[19:30] <%MK> AAA

[19:30] <%MK> With all that that entails

[19:31] <%MK> Otherwise it's just more jerk into a tissue of notes

[19:31] <!Dovahkiin> Sorry. I meant that we should make sure to establish reasonable expectations

[19:31] <%MK> If you don't want to be game designers, why are you even trying this?

[19:31] <%MK> You're all talented writer

[19:31] <%MK> s

[19:32] <%MK> Dazzle 'em with that shit

[19:32] <Alexandyrr> I can only speak for myself, but I'm trying this because it's a topic about which I'm passionate and at which I think I can do well.

[19:32] <%MK> But don't act for one second that if you really want to amaze them in this way, it must be PLAYED

[19:33] <+Varanu> ...because it's interesting, and fun, and I think it'd work better as something you can play than something you can read about?

[19:33] <%MK> The "lore community" is fine

[19:33] <+OPG> It's because we're trying to appeal to the other TES communities too, not just the lorumites.

[19:33] <+OPG> Again, our central goal of popularizing this kind of stuff. Dazzle to start with, yeah, but make sure they keep coming back, even past the mod.

[19:33] <Alexandyrr> pitching /r/teslore to /r/skyrim, as it were

[19:33] <%MK> The lore community is full of pastiche and 6000+ word bullshit that no. one. will. remember.

[19:34] <+OPG> Exactly.

[19:34] <+OPG> Which is why we're appealing via mod.

[19:34] <%MK> Okay, I'm getting fed up

[19:34] <%MK> This is more writer bullshit

[19:35] <%MK> But let me fix one of these things for you

[19:35] <%MK> First image. Stinger Text: "Go deeper."

[19:35] <%MK> That's all.

[19:35] <%MK> That's ALL you need.

[19:36] <%MK> 10 characters and, if the image is right, I keep reading.

[19:36] <+Varanu> ...is that a reference?

[19:36] <%MK> Does that matter?

[19:37] <+Varanu> Not really.

[19:37] <%MK> I just see the words "even past the mod" and want to strangle fuckers.

[19:37] <%MK> THERE IS NOTHING PAST THE MOD.

[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> seriously, trust the process, this is how game design works

[19:37] <%MK> Not until there is a mod.

[19:37] <!Dovahkiin> *development

[19:38] <!Dovahkiin> we really fucking need to take this methodically

[19:38] <%MK> Sure, it's a sting-thing from Inception. But I'm in. Again, if the image is spot on.

[19:38] <%MK> Get in the motherfucking elevator first.

[19:38] <_stille_> I agree with Dovah

[19:38] <_stille_> there's few easier way to get stuck going nowhere than skipping steps witht his

[19:39] <%MK> "Past the mod" is hitting a button you just wished was there

[19:39] <_stille_> especially with an inexperienced crew like us :P

[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah. Game development is methodical. The process is crucial.

[19:39] <!Dovahkiin> Infinite writing != game

[19:39] <+Varanu> Guys, I don't think anyone /disagrees/ that we need to get our shit together.

[19:39] <Alexandyrr> correct

[19:40] <%MK> There's a Shakespeare quote all up in there. And it applies.

[19:40] <_stille_> a process for getting our shit together is precisely what we're being offered

[19:40] <%MK> Or you bail. Like the logs: no harm, no foul.

[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> also, let's make this very clear: if you're in, you're not second-guessing yourself

[19:41] <Alexandyrr> are we going to need qualifications for being in?

[19:41]  * Dovahkiin sighs

[19:41] <!Dovahkiin> not the point

[19:41] <%MK> But the fuck if Imma give you guys five hundred bucks to give me a buncha un-illstrated shit that's (hopefully) 500 words or less

[19:42] <+Varanu> Yeah, and we're going to follow the /process/. The process isn't what we're waffling about, here.

[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are, V.

[19:42] <%MK> Some of you are still going, "Process? Fuck that."

[19:42] <+Varanu> MK, if you were asking for a business model and a one-sheet for something set on Masser I don't think there'd be problems.

[19:43] <+Varanu> I could be wrong.

[19:43] <%MK> Kinda

[19:43] <_stille_> yeah, lots of people got miffed about the switch

[19:43] <!Dovahkiin> It's a curveball, but no one's ragequit

[19:43] <%MK> I'm asking for a business model and a one-shhet on Secunda.

[19:43] <%MK> Those people? Weep me a fucking river.

[19:44] <_stille_> so yeah folk, this is precisely why the process is important. you get to see if you have your stuff on the right moon before putting in hundreds of hours of work in

[19:44] <%MK> What are they going to do with "miffed"?

[19:44] <+Varanu> "the right moon", stille?

[19:44] <%MK> Nothing.

[19:44] <%MK> Absonothing.

[19:44] <_stille_> sorry V, 4 am here

[19:45] <%MK> Write more bullshit that will not make it into a real mod.

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[19:45] <%MK> If you fail to see the business sense here, you've already failed.

[19:45] <+Varanu> oh hiya bird :)

[19:46]  * RottenDeadite nods at Albatross.

[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> No bullshit tonight, please

[19:46] <+Varanu> brb

[19:46] <!Dovahkiin> Full disclosure

[19:46] <%MK> Whoa, after the 3-sheet? Asshole asks us for a on-rails racing segment.

[19:47] <%MK> Not planned. Non-negotiable.

[19:47] <%MK> What then?

[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> Then we wave goodbye.

[19:47] <!Dovahkiin> we're sort of still doing cost-benefit on it

[19:47] <%MK> really?

[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> on rails racing sucks nuts.

[19:47] <+RottenDeadite> It's science.

[19:47] <+Varanu> HEY.

[19:47] <%MK> You really, really wave goodbye.

[19:47] <%MK> Then you're not fit to run this.

[19:48] <%MK> You've just wasted everyone's time, effort, and money.

[19:48] <%MK> You didn't even take the time to think about it.

[19:48] <%MK> Here's how you do it

[19:49] <%MK> "What the living FUCK?"

[19:49] <%MK> talk talk talk rage research talk talk

[19:49] <%MK> PRESENT

[19:49] <+RottenDeadite> So "non negotiable...?"

[19:49] <%MK> Wave goodbye? Mod's over.

[19:50] <%MK> Yes. It has to be in. Or your money's gone.

[19:50] <_stille_> you give'em the racing segment and make it as good as you can, and make the rest of the game as good as you can too

[19:50] <!Dovahkiin> You make the best on-rails racing game ever

[19:51] <!Dovahkiin> simulpost

[19:51] <_stille_> basically you can maybe end up with a good game with a shitty on-rails-racing segment, but at least this way you have a mostly good game

[19:51] <_stille_> and your team gets to eat

[19:51] <%MK> Much like, oh I dunno, deciding at the last second that vigittiiiacan'tspellit Argonians and Khajiit HAD to be playable

[19:52] <%MK> Yes. Your team gets to eat.

[19:52] <%MK> That's your goal

[19:52] <%MK> Not past the mod

[19:52] <%MK> Cuz that's your dream

[19:52] <_stille_> problem is, most of us get our food from other sources than game design

[19:52] <%MK> Do I really have to say it?

[19:53] <%MK> That's fine, stille, then stop wishing for a mod.

[19:53] <%MK> "Walk like them"

[19:53] <%MK> I'm not here to teach you the wrong things

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[19:54] <%MK> I'm here to show you the wrong things

[19:55] <%MK> It's probably out there somewhere, but story time

[19:56] <%MK> Redguard started as a gigantic airhsip so-far-future-that-it's-magic airship pirate game

[19:56] <%MK> Kurt and I had to whole of a universe "mapped" out

[19:56] <%MK> Daggerfall's done. SkyNET's over. We need new product.

[19:57] <%MK> We strut in, talk this bullshit about a gas planet universe.

[19:57] <%MK> Todd turns around, and he's struck by a few ideas. And he's focused.

[19:58] <+RottenDeadite> Cannonballs so rare they have names.

[19:58] <+Varanu> What?

[19:58] <%MK> Sword fighting. Cool. Ships. Cool. (yes)

[19:58] <%MK> "Set it in Tamriel."

[19:58] <%MK> RAGE

[19:59] <%MK> Two hours, it was over. We wanted our core game.

[19:59] <+RottenDeadite> Huh.  that's not how I read that part, somehow.

[19:59] <%MK> Well, you interrupted the story, dummy.

[20:00] <%MK> We wanted a pirate dude, sword fighting and solving puzzles and jumping on airships and unearthing vanished cultures.

[20:00] <%MK> WE GOT THAT.

[20:01] <%MK> Was it a gas planet? (Metaphor: Masser)

[20:01] <%MK> NOPE

[20:01] <%MK> Was it in our best interests?

[20:01] <%MK> YUP. We paid rent.

[20:02] <%MK> Story over.

[20:02] <+SemblioSanctii> Apt.

[20:02] <%MK> Cuz meanwhile where we were renting and eating, we were sowing the seeds for other things.

[20:03] <+Varanu> No talk about "why Tamriel", really?

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[20:03] <%MK> Surely there was.

[20:03] <Humble_Quark> Goodnessgraciousme.

[20:03] <+SemblioSanctii> hi HQ

[20:03] <+Varanu> hiya, HQ :)

[20:04] <%MK> "Because we just put out Daggerfall. The audience knows that world. We don't have to pay for a license or rely on an unknown IP."

[20:04] <Neradac> hlo HQ

[20:04] <+myrrlyn> aichqueue, hiya

[20:04] <!Dovahkiin> as I said: cost/benefit

[20:04] <+Varanu> That feels... flimsy. Very nearly as flimsy as "because red moon is cooler to look at" oh wait

[20:04] <+Varanu> :P

[20:05] <%MK> It worked.

[20:05] <%MK> You're making a mod because it did.

[20:05] <_stille_> and it's why we got the TES we all know and love

[20:05] <%MK> ding

[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> writer crap aside

[20:05] <!Dovahkiin> ventures have risk, we're still collectively deciding if we're willing to accept it

[20:05] <%MK> Also: a red moon IS cooler to look at

[20:06] <+Varanu> Red moon is also cooler to run around on. But I get your point, I think.

[20:06] <+SemblioSanctii> (Or we make white moon cooler to run around)

[20:06] <Humble_Quark> Nasa knows this

[20:06] <%MK> Just like, oh hey, fuck your gas planet because Tamriel is cooler to jump on

[20:06] <Neradac> sooo, red sugar then

[20:07] <%MK> Morgan, that's fair

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[20:07] <+Varanu> fuckin' government shutdown, at least Curiosity is still running >:(

[20:07] <%MK> Collective is part of the point

[20:07] <%MK> I will take a bet, though

[20:07]  * Varanu perks up

[20:08] <%MK> Masser will never get made

[20:08] <%MK> Not unless you do it this way

[20:08] <%MK> Prove me wrong

[20:08] <+myrrlyn> how much?

[20:08] <Neradac> hah

[20:08] <%MK> It's win-win that way. I'll play it.

[20:08] <%MK> Fuck off, Alexander

[20:08] <+Varanu> Hah. If we don't make it, you win the bet. If we do, MASSER.

[20:09] <%MK> You're, what, a fan with 6000+ words and that's all, am I right?

[20:09] <+myrrlyn> Surfacely.

[20:09] <+Varanu> Me? Fuck, I don't even have 6000+ words.

[20:09] <%MK> yup

[20:10] <%MK> That's all any of you are with this right now

[20:10] <Humble_Quark> Apes with keyboards.

[20:10]  * Varanu is not as much of a TES fan as some other people

[20:10] <%MK> all surface, no foundation

[20:10] <%MK> not as individuals

[20:10] <%MK> but as a "modding community"

[20:10] <!Dovahkiin> I really think we should be following the right process, regardless of WHAT risk/reward structure we take

[20:11] <+SemblioSanctii> I think that's self-evident by sum total of work to date Dovah.

[20:11] <+Varanu> Dovah, really, who is still arguing this? O_o

[20:11] <!Dovahkiin> Well, sorry

[20:11] <%MK> I am

[20:11] <%MK> My money's on the table

[20:11] <Humble_Quark> Is there even a plot yet?

[20:11] <+RottenDeadite> The only question we're thinking of right now is: do we take that money.

[20:11] <%MK> FUCK YOUR PLOT

[20:11] <+Varanu> sheeeesh Dovah ;)

[20:11] <%MK> Gimme your game

[20:12] <+Varanu> (and yeah, HQ, there's a plot. Or, uh. Was. idk.)

[20:12] <%MK> (There better be a plot. That was for effect.)

[20:12] <+OPG> The larger one is mostly re-applicable to Secunda.

[20:12] <Humble_Quark> Rough outline?

[20:12] <%MK> (But fuck if I wanna see it in stupid fucking words words words)

[20:12] <+RottenDeadite> link incomming

[20:12] <%MK> No outline!

[20:12] <+OPG> The smaller, Osla one is barely applicable, but whatever

[20:13] <+Varanu> There were NPCs, too. Not implemented, but they had names and all.

[20:13] <%MK> HQ, you're returning this to wank

[20:13] <+RottenDeadite> link sent, hq.

[20:13] <%MK> wank wank wank NPCs

[20:13] <+Varanu> Actually now that I think about it, this would make a bitchin' nest for, like, a novella or something.

[20:13] <Humble_Quark> Sorry, I've been missing.

[20:13] <+OPG> lol, Var

[20:14] <%MK> V, yeah. Actually that might be the best way to go.

[20:14] <+Varanu> Which is another sort of writing thing and not a game thing, soooooo I have just proved some kind of point.

[20:14] <+Varanu> Yeah.

[20:14] <%MK> Given your circumstances.

[20:14] <+OPG> We've already gone that direction in patches, yeah.

[20:14] <%MK> smh

[20:14] <+RottenDeadite> We have?

[20:14] <%MK> I knew it

[20:15]  * Dovahkiin sighs

[20:15] <%MK> I fucking knew it

[20:15] <+OPG> Dude, chill, it was a couple side projects, secondary to the core one

[20:15] <%MK> Dude, fuck off

[20:15] <%MK> use another channel for this shit

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[20:16] <%MK> You are contributing absolutely this much money to it: 0

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[20:16] <%MK> You either want to make a game, or you want to write

[20:17] <%MK> There is no middle ground

[20:17] <%MK> unless it's patches

[20:17] <%MK> and have fun with that

[20:17] <+OPG> I never said I was writing one.

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[20:17] <+OPG> I intended to, but I never got started, really.

[20:18] <%MK> No, you just stick your head up in a business conversation with BLORT

[20:18] <Hermit_Qabal> k. how many clams do we need?

[20:18] <+OPG> Bye, then.

[20:18] <%MK> BYE

[20:18] <+Varanu> MK, question. Business type question. For future... business type things.

[20:19] <+Varanu> What do we do if we get another ongoing contributor and you guys want different things?

[20:19] <+Varanu> I'm really not trying to be obtuse here.

[20:19] <%MK> The main money is the main boss

[20:19] <%MK> Think of it like this

[20:19] <%MK> You are trying to stay afloat

[20:20] <%MK> You have to please your brokers

[20:20] <%MK> Collectively, as a team, you decide which way to take

[20:20] <%MK> and which wallet to pull from

[20:21] <%MK> It sounds more nefarious than it is

[20:21] <+RottenDeadite> Is it often complicated?  I suspect it's usually an easy decision.

[20:22]  * Varanu imagines some rich people steepling their fingers and petting white cats and things.

[20:22] <%MK> In your theoretical, you have a champagne problem

[20:22] <%MK> "Whose money do we take?"

[20:22] <+Varanu> Hah

[20:22] <+Varanu> Best position to be in.

[20:22] <%MK> Right

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> We have one option, or no options currently

[20:22] <%MK> It can be complicated, yeah, Chris.

[20:22] <!Dovahkiin> Well, not strictly true

[20:23] <%MK> "This chick is cool, and chill, but offers this. But we all like her."

[20:23] <%MK> "This dude offers this but he's the asshole that demanded a rail."

[20:23] <+RottenDeadite> :D

[20:24] <%MK> "Fuck that chick, she has no clout. Rail it is."

[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> This is the problem with moonshit. For all this effort, you should be paid.

[20:24] <Hermit_Qabal> Fuck Tamriel.

[20:24] <+Varanu> I was going to say, I can put up $500 this month. And probably ongoing unless I don't get a job after I graduate in December.

[20:24] <%MK> See?

[20:24] <+Varanu> But I'm also seeing that I don't know /shit/ about this stuff.

[20:24] <Mojo> ^

[20:24] <_stille_> haha

[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah Varanu and that's in addition to what I'm putting up.  But I also don't know shit about process.

[20:24] <+RottenDeadite> so :(

[20:25] <+Varanu> I was wondering if you'd be willing to come 'round and advise, even if we don't accept your offer and so on...?

[20:25] <%MK> well now, errybody at least seems to be thinking about Step One

[20:25] <%MK> Fuck naw

[20:25] <+Varanu> aw :(

[20:25] <+RottenDeadite> Dude I think in comparison we were barely thinking before you started talking to us about the process.

[20:25] <%MK> I've been with Masser from the start

[20:25] <Hermit_Qabal> For beauty, you'll have to suffer.

[20:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Reasonable. I mean you got your own shit to do.

[20:25] <%MK> I knew it was going to fail then

[20:26] <%MK> I offered money then

[20:26] <+Varanu> Wait, what, when?

[20:26]  * Varanu doesn't recall this but maybe she has a terrible memory.

[20:26] <%MK> Chris, is this private talk?

[20:26] <+SemblioSanctii> I certainly heard nothing of that.

[20:26] <+RottenDeadite> Nah, go dude.

[20:26] <Hermit_Qabal> So who's willing to bleed for redplanet?

[20:26] <%MK> HQ, would you please offer more?

[20:26] <%MK> jesus christ

[20:27] <%MK> Chris hit me up with the idea

[20:27] <Hermit_Qabal> Money or wordswordswords?

[20:27] <%MK> fuck off

[20:27] <%MK> Then he went and started WRITING

[20:27] <%MK> Meanwhile, I had dinner and called a lawyer

[20:28] <%MK> Found out what could and couldn't be done with a CK mod

[20:28] <%MK> I get a gdoc splat

[20:28] <%MK> I scan it

[20:28] <%MK> I see no images

[20:28] <%MK> I see WRITING

[20:28] <%MK> I see no planning

[20:29] <%MK> I see nothing but comments

[20:29] <%MK> from OTHER writers

[20:29] <%MK> I don't at any point

[20:29] <%MK> see a comment from an enginee

[20:29] <%MK> r

[20:29] <%MK> or an artist

[20:29] <%MK> I see DESCRIPTIONS of art, but no fucking art

[20:29] <%MK> I leave it be

[20:30] <%MK> Knowing, like you're all proving, it's doomed

[20:30] <Hermit_Qabal> Bookhags, this lot.

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[20:30] <+Varanu> Hey, it's what we know.

[20:30] <%MK> right

[20:30] <%MK> it is

[20:30] <%MK> that's all you know

[20:31] <+Toesock> Hey guys

[20:31] <+Varanu> hiya Toe :)

[20:31] <%MK> Which is why Masser the Mod should have been Masser the Buncha Books

[20:31] <+Toesock> Hiya Var!  :D

[20:31] <%MK> But nope

[20:31] <Hermit_Qabal> Pretty much.

[20:31] <%MK> Cuz here's another thing you guys do

[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> I was busy working on other things for the bulk of the Masser planning. Never had the chance to comment that much

[20:31] <!Dovahkiin> and that's on me

[20:31] <%MK> Finish absolutely nothing

[20:32] <%MK> You mouthfart

[20:32] <%MK> that's it

[20:32] <+Varanu> Oh, now /that's/ unfair.

[20:32] <%MK> "Masser: mouthfart. Cool, I'm done for the day."

[20:33] <+Toesock> What's going on?

[20:33] <%MK> Is it, when applied to this?

[20:33] <%MK> Where's the GDD, V?

[20:33] <%MK> Where's the asset lists?

[20:33] <+Varanu> Sorry. Acronym?

[20:33] <%MK> Game Design Document

[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> We had something like design docs.  Nobody used 'em.  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6215On2UYdCG2mzP9QyRYInaqdoQgtgelfYujBLbeA/pub

[20:34] <%MK> TDD = Technical Design Document

[20:34] <%MK> ding

[20:34] <%MK> Cuz nobody finishes jack shit

[20:34] <+RottenDeadite> I can't bend people's arms behind their backs without funding, apparently.

[20:34] <%MK> DING

[20:35] <Hermit_Qabal> Too many cooks. Too much arguing over dragon-yellowcabs.

[20:35] <+Varanu> Well, all right. That's true. Long have we wished for a way to bend people's arms behind their backs, because getting people to write things down at all is /stupid/ hard.

[20:36] <%MK> No, it's not, V.

[20:36]  * Varanu tries not to be a bitch about this but sometimes she fails.

[20:36] <%MK> Writing is hard.

[20:36] <%MK> Writing is easy.

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[20:36] <+Varanu> Writing is /easy/. Rewriting is hard ;)

[20:36] <%MK> Writing is mouthfart.

[20:36]  * RottenDeadite goes crosseyed.

[20:37] <%MK> Go crosseyed, dude

[20:37] <%MK> Look at your email

[20:37] <%MK> I told you if I funded this I would be more than an advisor

[20:37] <%MK> But I backed off, then got bored

[20:38] <%MK> Now I'm not

[20:38] <%MK> And what do you have to show for it?

[20:38] <%MK> What, RIGHT NOW, can I download and look at?

[20:38] <%MK> jack

[20:39] <%MK> At least when I right the 500 or Thereabouts I know I'm purposely going for TL;DR

[20:39] <%MK> *write

[20:41] <+Varanu> I was going to say we do have a /couple/ of art type things, but they're not broad-concept at /all/.

[20:41] <+Varanu> So, not really negating your point.

[20:41] <%MK> Like I said, I want you to succeed.

[20:41] <%MK> But you have no discerable plan.

[20:42] <%MK> I've outlined one for you

[20:42] <+Varanu> I did, incidentally, call my sister and ask how money changed things.

[20:42] <%MK> What did she say?

[20:42] <+Varanu> It does. You were right :P

[20:42] <%MK> Thanks.

[20:42] <+Varanu> And here I thought I could depend on the ties of blood, alas.

[20:42] <%MK> Even between the best of friends, it seals a deal.

[20:43] <%MK> Okay, is everyone properly pissed off?

[20:43] <+RottenDeadite> Man you must be a helluva guy to work for.

[20:43] <_stille_> you'll have to do with me being just sleepy.

[20:43] <+Varanu> Actually I'm sort of the opposite of pissed off now. Is that weird?

[20:44] <%MK> No, it's being a soldier.

[20:44] <Hermit_Qabal> Yes, but it's unrelated.

[20:44] <+RottenDeadite> The worst part is, I can't argue with any of this :D

[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> ^

[20:44] <!Dovahkiin> thank you

[20:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Well, I wouldn't say "worst"

[20:44] <+Varanu> I'm sort of half excited about Masser the Buncha Books, and half thinking, "Actually, learning how to do this properly could be fun."

[20:44] <%MK> Okay, then.

[20:45] <%MK> Let's get it all out. You already have the terms.

[20:45] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books? Not a bad thing at all.

[20:46] <+RottenDeadite> I'm assuming you want Secunda because of some reason in addition to the visuals?

[20:46] <%MK> Masser the Mod? You got me. And you'd be surprised how easy it is to work with me if you actually work.

[20:46] <%MK> And no one works without getting paid.

[20:46] <%MK> Nope.

[20:46] <+Varanu> lol

[20:46] <%MK> I want it because it's better.

[20:47] <%MK> Your VC wants it because he "knows better".

[20:47] <_stille_> we stepping on any other plans for masser?

[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> Maybe, stille.

[20:47] <+RottenDeadite> We'll see, I suspect.

[20:47] <%MK> It's better to look the fuck up, see Tamriel, see a big fucking red moon, and not be able to point to anything that exists in the lore and second guess it.

[20:48] <%MK> "the lore"

[20:48] <+Varanu> I'm also kind of thinking about what you said for Redguard. Pirate dude, sword fighting, solving puzzles, etc.

[20:48] <%MK> As a team, it's also better for you.

[20:48] <+Varanu> At its /heart/ none of that depends on setting.

[20:48] <+RottenDeadite> Oh?  How so, MK?

[20:48] <%MK> ding

[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> It's a sandbox in which to operate

[20:48] <!Dovahkiin> That's how

[20:49] <%MK> Because you've been making a gas planet

[20:49] <%MK> Now you're going to try and make a mod

[20:50] <%MK> When you look at all that fucking Masser shit?

[20:50] <%MK> You're gonna only concentrate on what sells it.

[20:50] <+Varanu> eek brb

[20:50] <%MK> Part of that? It gets easier by moving it.

[20:51] <%MK> We need this. This is blah blah shit. This thing? Yeah, move it.

[20:51] <Mojo> It forces us to break down the project to it's bare bones to see what is salvageable.

[20:51] <%MK> You'll orbit and find it.

[20:51] <Mojo> Thus coming up with "Why am I here... etc

[20:51] <%MK> Mojo, you're almost there

[20:51] <Neradac> what youd want to put in a trailer?

[20:51] <%MK> Not "salvagable"

[20:52] <%MK> What is "essential

[20:52] <+Toesock> essential

[20:52] <%MK> jinx

[20:52] <+Toesock> lol

[20:52] <Mojo> Valid, I was looking at it from the wrong angle

[20:52] <%MK> It's okay

[20:52] <%MK> Let me tell you guys the most valuable tool in the Designer's Toolbox

[20:53] <+Varanu> inb4 it's a giant pair of scissors

[20:53] <%MK> (Besides knowing how to code)

[20:53] <%MK> It's the ability to honestly say "I don't know yet"

[20:54] <%MK> The kneejerk to that, because they want answers

[20:54] <+SemblioSanctii> Avoid jumping the gun on shit solutions for hypothetical problems?

[20:54] <+Varanu> In my job, you always always always have to follow that up with either, "But here's why it's not important," or "But here's how I'm going to find out."

[20:54] <+Varanu> Is it the same for design?

[20:54] <%MK> Right. Is to either WRITE or go stress the fuck out.

[20:55] <%MK> Yes

[20:55] <%MK> "I don't know yet, but I feel it."

[20:55] <%MK> But you're getting paid, right?

[20:55] <%MK> And they're the customer.

[20:55] <%MK> So you have to give them a date when your answer will be delivered.

[20:55] <+Varanu> I'm thrilled that so many of my current job skills translate so well, it's like professionalism is the same everywhere or something.

[20:55] <%MK> Kinda is.

[20:56] <%MK> :)

[20:56] <%MK> Don't pony up any money to anyone that's not in need or doesn't have a plan.

[20:56] <%MK> That's all.

[20:57] <%MK> Who here NEEDS Masser?

[20:57] <%MK> NEEDS a mod?

[20:57] <+RottenDeadite> I think I do.

[20:57] <+Varanu> Nah. I want it, but I'm not going to /die/.

[20:57] <+Varanu> Like actually literally die.

[20:58] <%MK> Then, V, you've found the limits of what you can contribute.

[20:58] <%MK> And that's no harm, no foul. That's honesty.

[20:58] <%MK> Like, I really NEED to fund C0DA.

[20:58] <%MK> I gotta see that motherfucker.

[20:58] <+Varanu> ...what happens if you don't?

[20:59] <%MK> That ain't gonna happen.

[20:59] <+Varanu> I mean. Do /you/ die?

[20:59] <%MK> Wait, what?

[20:59] <Neradac> lel

[21:00] <%MK> I will be forever unfulfilled if that's what you mean.

[21:00] <+Varanu> What I'm saying is I'm not relying on Masser to pay rent or eat, therefore I do not actually /need/ it per se.

[21:00] <%MK> And that won't happen.

[21:00] <+Varanu> Is that not what you were asking?

[21:00] <%MK> Maybe? I'm asking does Masser fulfill something that you can't live without?

[21:01] <%MK> Cuz that is what will make this thing.

[21:01] <Mojo> It's comparable to C0DA. MK isn't getting paid jack for that either

[21:01] <+Varanu> Oh. No.

[21:01] <%MK> That and money.

[21:01] <+Varanu> I'll cry a lot, but I'll get over it.

[21:02] <!Dovahkiin> It's a matter of how badly we want it, and I think everyone here wants it.

[21:02] <%MK> I just have to see it. And I've put together a plan to make sure I do.

[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Hmm.

[21:02] <Hermit_Qabal> Question is, what /is/ it, exactly?

[21:02] <%MK> Masser the Buncha Books is an easier pressure valve.

[21:03] <%MK> Talk about that shit and play to your strengths.

[21:03] <%MK> Or get stronger and make that shit.

[21:03] <%MK> HQ, I don't understand the question.

[21:03] <Hermit_Qabal> Fundamentally

[21:04] <%MK> which...part of this are you referring to?

[21:04] <Hermit_Qabal> What do we want from Masser? What do we want it to be?

[21:04] <%MK> ah, okay

[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> And how far do we want to take it?

[21:04] <%MK> That's what the one-sheet and infrastructure is for.

[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> There's this thing some companies have to do .  Like a mission statement.

[21:04] <%MK> You'll find out if you try.

[21:04] <!Dovahkiin> I think every single person here would be damn proud of a mod

[21:04] <+RottenDeadite> ANd that mission can't be "We wanna make money."  'Cause that won't work.

[21:04] <%MK> And if I'm out the money, O

[21:05] <%MK> I'm out the money

[21:05] <+Varanu> 's for figuring this out, is what that stuff is for.

[21:05] <+RottenDeadite> So "We wanna make a mod and put all our ideas in it" is a bullshit mission statement.

[21:05] <Mojo> I'd balk at it

[21:05] <Hermit_Qabal> I'll go first:

[21:05] <!Dovahkiin> It's vague too

[21:06] <%MK> Chris, remind me to share a really good design ruleset with you.

[21:06] <%MK> Guys

[21:06] <+RottenDeadite> K.  Maybe tomorrow.  My mind is going.

[21:06] <%MK> Just start with my three

[21:06] <%MK> What Do I Do?

[21:06] <%MK> How Do I Do It?

[21:06] <%MK> Why Do I Want to Keep Doing It?

[21:07] <%MK> Answer those? You got your mission statement.

[21:07] <%MK> 140 character or less with each answer

[21:08] <+Varanu> ...So, I'm still thinking about things I will be forever unfulfilled without, and things #1 and #2 on the list are my husband and this paper I'm writing on the past two years of my research, and both of those have been tragically neglected this evening.

[21:08] <+Varanu> I'll keep thinking about this. Seeya, guys.

[21:08] <_stille_> there's your priorities, Varanu

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[21:08] <_stille_> go go go

[21:08] <!Dovahkiin> cya V

[21:08] <+SemblioSanctii> Night var

[21:08] <Mojo> Later V

[21:08] <%MK> First question: "Explore the BLORT of Secunda, BLORT"

[21:09] <_stille_> did the Remanite empire ever do anything on Secunda?

[21:09] <Hermit_Qabal> Second: "Learn BLARGH, BLORT, and SMEGO."

[21:09] <%MK> Second question: some shit about new physics, new mechanics, new SOMETHING playable

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[21:09] <%MK> Naw, HQ, that's still the first

[21:09] <_stille_> 'cos the remnants of the Remanite space program bit is cool

[21:10] <%MK> Third question: something whoa! loot whoa! powahz WHOA!

[21:10] <%MK> seriously

[21:10] <_stille_> and I imagine khajiiti presence's been pretty well fucked by the void nights

[21:10] <!Dovahkiin> just *doing* the process is bound to be illuminating

[21:10] <%MK> Stille is writing again

[21:11] <_stille_> sorry

[21:11] <Hermit_Qabal> 1: Moonmoths

[21:11] <_stille_> was thinking aloud

[21:11] <%MK> Nope

[21:11] <%MK> Stop, HQ

[21:11] <%MK> You are a writer

[21:11] <%MK> Morgan, yes

[21:12] <!Dovahkiin> Rather than <lame baby/bathwater analogy>

[21:12] <%MK> I will PAY for you guys "just" to do these three things by 11/15, which a milestone on 11/1

[21:12] <%MK> *with

[21:12] <%MK> (sorry, mind is going, too)

[21:13] <%MK> How many of you are there?

[21:13] <+SemblioSanctii> Still here.

[21:13] <_stille_> still here but not for long

[21:13] <Mojo> Still on board

[21:13] <%MK> Naw, I mean, how many people would get a cut. lol

[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Hehe

[21:13] <+OPG> Here.

[21:13] <!Dovahkiin> SemblioSanctii, OPG, _stille_, Mojo, V, me, RD, oh wait

[21:13] <%MK> I don't care who's here here

[21:13] <+RottenDeadite> Right, Dovah.

[21:14] <_stille_> ah lol, not me presumably. not going to have much time now with my masters' started

[21:14] <Mojo> Other than my 9-5 I have nothing but time

[21:14] <%MK> There's another peculiar American lesson

[21:14] <%MK> This is the absolute worst quarter to get buy in

[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> Because it's too late to publish by Black Friday?

[21:15] <%MK> Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years

[21:15] <%MK> No, people just got shit to do

[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> OH heh

[21:15] <%MK> "Code this shit? Or hang with the pumpkin carvers and possibly get some? PUMPKINS."

[21:16] <%MK> That's an aspect of the business model I would want to see

[21:16] <%MK> actual titles, actual tasks, with an actual heirarchy

[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> "titles" you mean job titles?

[21:17] <%MK> Yep

[21:17] <+RottenDeadite> k

[21:17] <%MK> Get used to it

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[21:18] <%MK> Okay, would you guys be up for something more fun tonight?

[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Sure.

[21:18] <%MK> gimme a sec

[21:18] <!Dovahkiin> Thanks for the advice, and the offer

[21:18] <+SemblioSanctii> ^

[21:18] <_stille_> sure

[21:19] <+SemblioSanctii> Yes, it's very much appreciated.

[21:19] <Mojo> sure, thanks for the advice

[21:19] <%MK> Never a problem. I want to run around on the motherfucking moon, guys,

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[21:19] <%MK> All right, then. 11 minutes of spoilers.

[21:19] <%MK> Then

[21:19] <%MK> 30 minutes of AMA

[21:19] <+Varanu> My husband says "You can't talk about anything but Masser now anyway, girl, go do that."

[21:20]  * myrrlyn promises to be good this time

[21:20] <%MK> Sorry, V, we decided to can the whole thing

[21:20]  * Varanu has the most caring and understanding husband

[21:20] <+SemblioSanctii> lol

[21:20] <+Varanu> Oh, ok. I guess it's me and buncha books then? :D :D :D

[21:20] <+Varanu> ;)

[21:20] <Mojo> haha

[21:20] <%MK> ha

[21:20] <%MK> Okay, so here's a few cool things I'm up to

[21:21] <%MK> I secured an artist for two pretty awesome pages of C0DA

[21:21] <_stille_> how large is C0DA going to be?

[21:21] <%MK> I'm also going to be putting up on the c0da dot wut:

[21:21] <!Dovahkiin> lol, dot wut

[21:21] <Mojo> heh

[21:21] <%MK> An illustrated "Republic of Hahd"

[21:22]  * OPG gasps

[21:22]  * Mojo fist pumps

[21:22] <%MK> That'll be fun

[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> Ooh, that's cool.

[21:22] <+myrrlyn> yissssss

[21:22] <%MK> And the artist for that is wicked

[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> I never read that

[21:22] <!Dovahkiin> Goddamn

[21:22] <+SemblioSanctii> you really should dovah

[21:22] <%MK> And here's the kicker for today

[21:22] <%MK> UH OH

[21:22] <%MK> C0DA evidently has a prologue

[21:23] <%MK> And it's already written and its artist had been paid

[21:23] <%MK> It should debut in a month

[21:23] <Mojo> yusss

[21:23] <%MK> It's an unessential piece to the larger work

[21:24] <%MK> And in the spirit of c0da dot wut

[21:24] <+Varanu> cool :)

[21:24] <%MK> it's partly based on some older work

[21:24] <Mojo> Anything we've already seen?

[21:24] <%MK> it's somewhat a pity that it will be available before the larger work at hand

[21:24] <%MK> but it stands on its own anyway

[21:25] <%MK> yeah, mojo you've seen parts of it

[21:25] <_stille_> holy shit we have a date for the sweet breeze of landfall ruffling our hair

[21:25] <%MK> it got c0dified

[21:25] <Mojo> sweet

[21:25] <+SemblioSanctii> Good to hear

[21:26] <%MK> C0DA itself-- like I mentioned, this is the American season of Fuck I'm Busy-- is likely the end of q1 2014

[21:26] <%MK> Also in the works is The Water-Getting Girl

[21:26] <%MK> And the artists will be many

[21:27] <%MK> and no one you might expect

[21:27] <%MK> 3 more minutes of this

[21:27] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool. That's a fun one.

[21:27] <_stille_> yep

[21:27] <%MK> Unrelated to c0da dot wut

[21:27] <Mojo> anything else from Sean Self? His art was fantastic

[21:27] <Mojo> Scratch that, I'll wait

[21:28] <%MK> is a series of...

[21:28] <%MK> ...videos in the spirit of Loremaster Lawrence

[21:28] <+OPG> hahahaha

[21:28] <Mojo> hahaha

[21:28] <%MK> hahaha

[21:28] <_stille_> wut.

[21:28] <+SemblioSanctii> Oh man.

[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> yes

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[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> This

[21:28] <%MK> In which I will fuck all ya'll up with my mad secrets

[21:29] <+Varanu> I have not been watching those, are they amazing?

[21:29] <+OPG> The Vehk jumps over the Secunda

[21:29] <+Umpteen> Magicka!

[21:29] <+OPG> magicka!

[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> Shonni-Etta at Bedtime: A Reading.

[21:29] <+Varanu> Oh that one. I remember that one.

[21:29] <%MK> lol

[21:29] <Mojo> Yes SS

[21:29] <Mojo> hahaha

[21:29] <%MK> Yes. That might be one.

[21:29] <+RottenDeadite> OH that'd be a thing.

[21:29] <%MK> Actually more like I start it, say fuck it, and then decide to act it out

[21:29] <+SemblioSanctii> hah

[21:29] <%MK> As Lawrence intended

[21:29] <_stille_> daamn

[21:30] <%MK> With that fucking MUSIC

[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> Bedtime story based on sermon 14

[21:30] <%MK> and that fucking BACKGROUND

[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> (I'm sorry)

[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> hehehe

[21:30] <%MK> Okay, one more drink then AMA

[21:30] <%MK> Get 'em ready

[21:30] <%MK> and don't cheat

[21:30] <+Varanu> ...cheat?

[21:30] <_stille_> how do you cheat at an AMA?

[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> won't

[21:30] <+RottenDeadite> ?

[21:30] <+Varanu> how can you cheat at asking questions

[21:30] <+SemblioSanctii> Subtley.

[21:30] <%MK> some people here can cheat

[21:30] <%MK> that's all

[21:30] <Neradac> AMA? truly?

[21:31] <%MK> truly

[21:31] <%MK> anything but breaking NDA

[21:31] <%MK> go

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[21:31] <%MK> (and be ncie to one another)

[21:31] <Mojo> Who or what is the Nu-Hatta?

[21:31] <%MK> A moth-priest of high station.

[21:31] <%MK> go

[21:31] <Neradac> Clockwork city, what is its purpose?

[21:32] <%MK> Sotha Sil never figured that out. But a fellow dunmer will.

[21:32] <%MK> go

[21:32] <+OPG> Are the ties/similarities between Molag Bal and the Sload intentional?

[21:32] <%MK> no fucking clue there was one

[21:32] <+RottenDeadite> • Biting: This term seems to mean one thing in the Lessons and another elsewhere.  Are they the same thing?  What the heck is Biting, basically?

[21:32] <%MK> Borrowing

[21:32] <%MK> go

[21:32] <%MK> well wait

[21:33] <%MK> Borrowing with no intention of keeping it as it was in its original form. that's more apt.

[21:33] <%MK> now go

[21:33] <Neradac> Dreaming Cavern, what was discussed in the meeting of Sotha Sil and the daedric princes?

[21:33] <+RottenDeadite> Ah ookay that's better.

[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe What are the hardware requirements for TalOS?

[21:34] <%MK> I didn't write that. I...don't necessarily care for it.

[21:34] <%MK> Chris, fff

[21:34] <Neradac> Aw.

[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> :D

[21:34] <%MK> dummy

[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> Can you talk about Vivec's Children for me?

[21:34] <%MK> 16

[21:34] <Hermit_Qabal> What's the deal with inquiry trees?

[21:34] <%MK> which question comes first?

[21:34] <_stille_> in azura and the box, when did the alteration of the hidden object from a square sphere to a red flower happen in that text's history,and does the red flower mean amaranth or something connected?

[21:34] <+RottenDeadite> The bit last night about the Treasure Wood Sword really knocked me on my ass.

[21:34] <_stille_> whichever, we're not picky

[21:35] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, dude, answer as you will

[21:35] <%MK> stille, the Amaranth will be answered but not here. INFER

[21:35] <%MK> Inquiry Trees? Not sure what you mean.

[21:36] <Mojo> Sphinx Moth Inquiry Trees

[21:36] <+RottenDeadite> Who or what is the Drowned Lamp?

[21:36] <%MK> Azura in the box? I didn't write it.

[21:36] <+OPG> Why didn't the ALMSIVI acquire plane(t) forms outside Nirn upon apotheosis, as Mannimarco did?

[21:36] <%MK> Vivec's Children: they are all of the metaphors made real for hir to deal with before the Hortator.

[21:36] <+Varanu> Wait, gender-neutral pronoun?

[21:36] <+Varanu> :D

[21:37] <_stille_> :D

[21:37] <%MK> ALMSIVI got kilt or ran or had other ideas.

[21:37] <Mojo> good catch

[21:37] <Neradac> Where is the clockwork city? And if Sotha did not know its purpose, who built it?

[21:37] <+RottenDeadite> Metaphors such as Moon Axle as... Structures of belief, I think?

[21:37] <%MK> It's where he said it was, in that thing I did not write.

[21:37] <Neradac> <.<

[21:37] <+Varanu> Why was it ever /not/ a gender-neutral pronoun? I thought it was the male-as-default thing again, I was saddened.

[21:37] <Mojo> When Vehk appeared from the Aether in the Loveletter, how did he do so?

[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> In an old school map of Morrowind, Nera, there was a city named Sotha Sil I think.

[21:38] <+Umpteen> Gender neutral not same as doubly gendered, methinks V

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[21:38] <%MK> Well, kinda. But that lil asshole was made out of STRAIGHT LINES. That was a thing.

[21:38] <+SemblioSanctii> hi 759

[21:38] <+Varanu> Well, no, but there also wasn't switching of pronouns or anything. It was all male pronoun all the time.

[21:38] <Memospore759> hi!

[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah the same lines used in wheels.  I'm having so much trouble with those children, man.

[21:38] <+RottenDeadite> But talk about the Drowned Lamp, please.

[21:38] <+Umpteen> ^

[21:39] <%MK> @Mojo, that will be slightly answered in something I can't talk about. INFER.

[21:39] <Mojo> I kind of figured. Okeee

[21:39] <%MK> Drowned Lamp: Knowledge that is lost.

[21:39] <Neradac> Are the elder scrolls fragments of Aka? since ada-mantia is a scroll case both and aka's capsule?

[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Wait, what?  Then why does Vivec say that the Drowned Lamp is a possible "ending" for Cyrus?

[21:40] <%MK> @Neredac, no the the former. Aka's capsule? Yes, it held one. A big one.

[21:40] <Mojo> Cyrus could be lost, even in the history books

[21:40] <+RottenDeadite> Oooooohhhh

[21:40] <%MK> @Rotten, know-- jinx

[21:40] <+OPG> Is Numinatus related to Pelinal?

[21:40] <!Dovahkiin> What is the ultimate purpose of the Whirling School?

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[21:41] <%MK> @OPG Numinatus in what form?

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> [Going mobile, I'll be watching]

[21:41] <Hermit_Qabal> Tsaesci: literal vampires?

[21:41] <+OPG> Aka connections, time travel, weird left hand.

[21:41] <+OPG> The form we've had a small glimpse of, I guess.

[21:41] <%MK> @Morgan, That's in the Sermons. Nothing has changed.

[21:41] <!Dovahkiin> Ok.

[21:41] <%MK> @OPG, naw, just themes I like to keep doing

[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Triangular Gate shaped thusly because of ALMSIVI or because of a different (but likely related) triune of forces?

[21:42] <%MK> (But N v P might be fun)

[21:42] <Neradac> hum

[21:42] <%MK> The latter

[21:42] <_stille_> is it the anticipations?

[21:42] <_stille_> enantiomorph

[21:42] <%MK> Which begs the question, who in the Triune is Anu?

[21:42] <%MK> Go

[21:42] <Mojo> Did Tosh Raka mantle Akatosh?

[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> HAH

[21:42] <+RottenDeadite> Alma.

[21:42] <Mojo> misfire

[21:42] <%MK> @Mojo, yes

[21:43] <%MK> @Mojo, but not in the sense that Tamriel has

[21:43] <%MK> "has"

[21:43] <+RottenDeadite> Is Narsis the City of the Dead?  Or Necrom?

[21:43] <Neradac> Where did the khajiit originate from?

[21:43] <%MK> Chris, that ain't even a question

[21:44] <%MK> @Neredac, from an Earth Bone that had a fetish

[21:44] <+RottenDeadite> Okay: "Love is under My Will Only."  Is Vivec saying that everyone else's will is the same as his own?  Or is this more of the I AM ALL ARE WE stuff?

[21:44] <+SemblioSanctii> What is the (modern) status or position of the One in Cyrodiilic religion? Temple of the One, yet they all prattle on a bout the Divines without much respect towards any grand unity.

[21:44] <Neradac> .-.

[21:45] <%MK> @SS, I don't like the Temple of the One as a narrative construct. If only because its name is gay.

[21:45] <+OPG> Do the Colovians have southern accents?

[21:45] <+Varanu> lol

[21:45] <%MK> @Chris: the clue is the word "my"

[21:45] <Neradac> If the dwemer had the heart, why did (iirc) Kagrenac seemed to need to make a mantella?

[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> OH SHIT

[21:45] <_stille_> and the difference from Crowley's formulation I presume :P

[21:45]  * RottenDeadite 's head explodes.

[21:45] <%MK> 5

[21:45] <+Varanu> Run, Rotten, write down theories.

[21:45] <+RottenDeadite> DUDE

[21:45] <+Umpteen> What's the revelation?

[21:46] <_stille_> he can tell us after :P

[21:46] <+Varanu> he's achieved enlightenment, he can't talk anymore

[21:46] <Mojo> or zero summed

[21:46] <+OPG> Does the God of Worms orbit Nirn or Arkay, or is it all arbitrary?

[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> To MEHRUNES DAGON whose mistress is the Blazing Sun.

[21:46] <_stille_> either that or he's zerosumming right this very moment

[21:46] <%MK> Having the Heart was just circumstance. And btw they made a MERtella.

[21:46] <+RottenDeadite> Who's Dagon's mistress?

[21:46] <Neradac> hmm

[21:46] <Hermit_Qabal> Why are beards important to the spiritual difference between menfolk and merfolk?

[21:46] <%MK> HQ, lol

[21:46] <%MK> that

[21:46] <_stille_> yes HQ

[21:46] <_stille_> that

[21:47] <%MK> shit

[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> hahaha

[21:47] <+Varanu> HQ, what.

[21:47] <%MK> that is an actual story

[21:47] <+Varanu> Wait, really?

[21:47] <Hermit_Qabal> yes

[21:47] <+Varanu> do the Dwemer come into it?

[21:47] <%MK> We've got three minutes, but yes...

[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> Yes, Varanu, and also the lifespan of the races.

[21:47] <+OPG> I thought you said 30 minutes of AMA?

[21:47] <+RottenDeadite> First rule: MK lies ;)

[21:47] <%MK> ...beards were mortals' first physical manifestation of argument stances. No joke.

[21:48] <+Varanu> Sorry, Rotten. I have a thing about beards.

[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> Huh.

[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> *sputter*

[21:48] <%MK> this isn't 30 minutes?

[21:48] <_stille_> ...if anyone asks about RL correspondences to the races I will murder you and murder you again until you learn better

[21:48] <%MK> og

[21:48] <%MK> er

[21:48] <%MK> oh

[21:48] <%MK> yeah, okay 12

[21:48] <+SemblioSanctii> I'll help, stille.

[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Who is Mehrunes Dagon's mistress, the Blazing Sun?

[21:48] <+Varanu> lol, stille.

[21:48] <+RottenDeadite> Surely not Magnus...?

[21:48] <%MK> Kasper knows the beard myth. It will appear.

[21:49] <%MK> @Chris, I give no fucks about that gay shit.

[21:49] <Hermit_Qabal> cool

[21:49] <%MK> go

[21:49] <+RottenDeadite> HAH I was sure you'd written it :D

[21:49] <+OPG> What are the Stones of Crystal-Like-Law, Falinesti, and Orichalc?

[21:49] <%MK> Me? BLAZING SUN?

[21:50] <%MK> CLL: A person. F: a fruit. O: a sword.

[21:50] <_stille_> yeah are the stones stuff that's connected to lorkhan or something? like his heart, the cave of snow-throat

[21:50] <%MK> go

[21:50] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah because of... Lemmie find the pic.

[21:50] <+SemblioSanctii> Is YR of the PGE1's marginal notes still around, and if so does he have any relevance to the present Thalmor situaiton?

[21:50] <%MK> No, his story is over.

[21:51] <%MK> His Severest Uncle's, however... hmmm

[21:51] <%MK> go

[21:51] <%MK> 9

[21:51] <+RottenDeadite> MK is this not your artwork? https://www.dropbox....b3z/Armor01.jpg

[21:51] <+RottenDeadite> Might not be, just making sure.

[21:51] <_stille_> what happened to Xal?

[21:52] <%MK> Yeah, that's me

[21:52] <_stille_> and is Divayth Fyr still around? Yagrum Bagarn?

[21:52] <Hermit_Qabal> Thalmor - Woodsy connection (Mora: forest) or somethingsomething Elhnofex Hermy tentacleshit?

[21:52] <+Varanu> oh, stille. good one with Divayth Fyr.

[21:52] <+RottenDeadite> Then "The Face of the Husband of Fire" was what led me to believe the Blazing Sun was your thing.

[21:52] <%MK> Xal? No idea. DF: Not my department. YB: Just wait til you see where he is. INFER.

[21:53] <%MK> HQ, yes, a connection

[21:53] <%MK> Remember

[21:53] <+OPG> Why did the Kothringi move from Cyrod to Black Marsh? Was it Tiber's dejungling, or did the populations just settle in different spots and become distinct over time?

[21:53] <%MK> Morag Tong meant "Forester's Guild" -- and FUCKING CUT THEM WEEDS

[21:53] <+RottenDeadite> O_O

[21:53] <Mojo> What's the connection between Mankar and Vivec saying this: “Whisper to earth and earth, where the meddlers take no stones except to blood, as blood IS blood, and to the cracking of bone, as bone IS bone, and so to crack and answer and fall before the one and one, I call you Dragon as brother and king.”

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[21:54] <+SemblioSanctii> hi owls!

[21:54] <+Varanu> owwwwwls

[21:54] <_stille_> what was the name given at birth to the chimer that later became Vivec?

[21:54] <%MK> @OPG, Kothringi have been around way too long for me to answer that properly

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[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> stille: Vehk?

[21:54] <+Varanu> It ain't Vehk.

[21:54] <+RottenDeadite> Oh no wait nm

[21:54] <+Umpteen> In Sermon 0...

[21:54] <%MK> @Mojo, that's an actual Mesopotaslkjdklasjdlskjdalksj curse I "bited"

[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Oooh cool!

[21:55] <+Varanu> Hah.

[21:55] <%MK> Sermon 0 can suck my dick

[21:55] <Mojo> SWEET

[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> hehe

[21:55] <+Umpteen> That's the poinr]t

[21:55] <+Umpteen> oops

[21:55] <%MK> 5

[21:55] <+OPG> Were the Sload going to be in Morrowind?

[21:55] <%MK> Yes

[21:55] <+OPG> I fukken knew it

[21:55] <%MK> lol

[21:55] <+RottenDeadite> Why did Tiber reinstate lunar exploration?  And why did he stop?

[21:56] <%MK> That's in CvT. Can't answer that yet.

[21:56] <+SemblioSanctii> Whatever DID make the left-handed elves so sinistral?

[21:56] <+OPG> On that note, how did he gather the resources?

[21:56] <+OPG> oh, nvm

[21:56] <%MK> @SS, They Fought Different

[21:56] <%MK> that's a thing in Yoku

[21:56] <%MK> go

[21:56] <%MK> 4

[21:56] <_stille_> not getting an answer to mine?

[21:57] <Memospore471> Who betrayed Sancre Tor to Talos?

[21:57] <+OPG> Is Y'ffre/Jephre significantly tied to Kyne/Kynareth?

[21:57] <%MK> we'll save it stille, I'll answer, pinky swear

[21:57] <_stille_> ok

[21:57] <_stille_> thank you

[21:57] <+RottenDeadite> Oh that'll be awesome

[21:57] <%MK> @471, Talos did

[21:57] <+OPG> (As in, like, separate aspects of the same monolith n' all that)

[21:57] <Memospore759> what's up with the Tharnatos nowadays?

[21:57] <%MK> 3

[21:58] <%MK> @OPG, not that I'm aware of or working on

[21:58] <%MK> @759, his story is over

[21:58] <Hermit_Qabal> Been a gas.

[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> In Ehlnofex, what does AI mean?

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[21:58] <+Varanu> seeya, HQ

[21:58] <+Varanu> ....

[21:58] <%MK> AE or AI?

[21:58] <+RottenDeadite> AI

[21:59] <Mojo> What is the Breaking mentioned in the Magne-Ge text?

[21:59] <%MK> It's 'fex, hard to say. Say it really fucking loud and figure it out. seriously.

[21:59] <+OPG> 'eeeyyyy!!!

[21:59] <+RottenDeadite> Hmmm...

[21:59] <%MK> Breaking: Magnus left

[21:59] <%MK> 1

[21:59] <+SemblioSanctii> Followup, is there much more ehlnofex thought of or written out than what we've seen?

[22:00] <+OPG> Skyrim MQ; Alduin ending the kalpa or playing petty dictator?

[22:00] <+SemblioSanctii> I mean, that's actually been considered.

[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> Dammit dude at some point please write something about the Walking Ways.

[22:00] <Mojo> What is Magnus doing lately?

[22:00] <_stille_> seconding Rotten

[22:00] <%MK> Everyone gets one more, stille gets two, one of which is her first

[22:00] <%MK> STOP

[22:00] <%MK> My hands can't type that fast

[22:00] <+RottenDeadite> :D

[22:00] <%MK> Okay, convene and go

[22:01] <%MK> piss-making

[22:01] <%MK> brb

[22:01] <!Dovahkiin|Mobile> Thinking over a cheese quesadilla.

[22:01] <%MK> (ha)

[22:02] <+RottenDeadite> Confirm or Deny: Hurling Disk = Amaranth?

[22:02] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?

[22:02] <%MK> one at a time

[22:03] <%MK> stille goes first with her first

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[22:03] <+Varanu> bye, bird :(

[22:03] <%MK> (Can't be bothered to scroll)

[22:03] <+RottenDeadite> :(

[22:03] <_stille_> you mean the red flower one in azura and the box you said you won't answer yet?

[22:04] <%MK> Red box/flower is easy: wasn't me. Don't care.

[22:04] <%MK> Next.

[22:04] <+RottenDeadite> Is the Hurling Disk the Amaranth?

[22:04] <%MK> no

[22:04]  * RottenDeadite nods.

[22:04] <%MK> (less one)

[22:04] <%MK> go

[22:05] <+myrrlyn> The Dwemer Orrery lists a different set of planets than do the Dwemer in the early Lessons. What is the root of the difference, and is there any significance to it?

[22:05] <%MK> wow, this is a good one

[22:05] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah

[22:06] <%MK> It would be a cop out to say that there was just history of knowledge getting the way...

[22:07] <%MK> ...but there IS something important there. Let me convene with the actual writer of the Sermons and get back to you. You get a bonus one for that.

[22:07] <+RottenDeadite> hah

[22:07] <Mojo> Mnemoli- does it have to do with knowledge or memory of failed Amaranth?

[22:07] <Neradac> Who is Alinor? Or if he wasnt someone, whats the insect god the thalmor so lovingly worship?

[22:08] <%MK> @Mojo, that's a wide net you got there. Narrow it.

[22:08] <Mojo> hmmm

[22:08] <%MK> @Neredac, It's the oldest name of the Set. It wasn't a person in the sense you mean.

[22:09] <+myrrlyn> (taken from the community) Was there really a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, or was the actual truth just so strange that people could not agree on the transpired events?

[22:10] <%MK> Okay, first ask yourself if you really want me to answer that.

[22:10] <%MK> @Mojo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic

[22:10] <+myrrlyn> eh, probably not

[22:10] <+myrrlyn> What is the Second Walking Way?

[22:10] <Mojo> I redact my question. I don't want it answered anymore

[22:11] <%MK> @myrrlyn, the long road that the enemy always puts before you but you walk it anyway

[22:11] <+RottenDeadite> O_O

[22:11] <Mojo> holy shit

[22:11] <_stille_> we broke Rotten

[22:11] <Mojo> Back to the drawingboard for me

[22:11] <%MK> ha

[22:11]  * RottenDeadite drools a little...

[22:12] <+Varanu> Rotten is having far too exciting an evening.

[22:12] <%MK> next

[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Did any important organs/organ-analogues of Lorkh's besides the Heart (and excluding ebony godsblood) survive, and if so might they be present on the moons?

[22:12] <+RottenDeadite> IT'S ALL ADDING UP BABY

[22:12] <%MK> (I really want a cheese quesadilla)

[22:12] <+myrrlyn> share with the class, bud

[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> ok, back

[22:12] <!Dovahkiin> quesadilla was delicious, and chipotle is fast

[22:12] <_stille_> you'll have to tell us what's it all adding up to, Rotten :P

[22:12] <%MK> @SS, yep, a buncha his shit is up in them motherfuckers

[22:12] <+SemblioSanctii> Cool.

[22:13] <%MK> (That's not really an answer, but you already knew his body was both of 'em)

[22:14] <%MK> Also, he'll make an appearance in [NUMINIT]

[22:14] <%MK> next

[22:14] <Mojo> Replacement question- Have we seen "N" yet?

[22:14] <%MK> Didn't I answer that last night?

[22:14] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah, didn't you?

[22:14] <Mojo> You answered if N was the new man

[22:14] <!Dovahkiin> Yes, you did

[22:14] <Mojo> Aw shit

[22:14] <%MK> What did I say?

[22:14] <+myrrlyn> "that's what it means yeah"

[22:15] <%MK> I mean what I say. snort.

[22:15] <%MK> next

[22:15] <%MK> stille has one more, if I'm not wrong

[22:15] <Neradac> wait, is road 2 sort of being doom-driven then?

[22:15] <_stille_> "Then Wulfharth said: "Don't you see where you really are? Don't you know who Shor really is? Don't you know what this war is?" And they looked from the King to the God to the Devils and Orcs, and some knew, really knew, and they are the ones that stayed."

[22:15] <%MK> anyone silent can make me a quesadilla

[22:15] <_stille_> what did they really knew

[22:15] <+OPG> I haven't gone, either.

[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later Nera.

[22:16] <_stille_> know even

[22:16]  * _stille_ can't type

[22:16] <%MK> nice one

[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> I've been waiting for that one :)

[22:16] <%MK> They were inside the Dragon Break of the Red Moment

[22:16] <Mojo> snap

[22:16] <!Dovahkiin> OHHHHHHHH

[22:16] <+RottenDeadite> asdfasdfasdfasd

[22:16] <+Varanu> O_o

[22:16] <_stille_> oh dear

[22:16] <+Varanu> I thought you weren't going to answer that one.

[22:17] <%MK> AMA

[22:17] <%MK> (Cept not really)

[22:17] <+OPG> Okay, mine.

[22:17] <%MK> I guess that kinda answers the one myrlynn was asking too

[22:17] <+OPG> What is Sithis?

[22:17] <%MK> oops

[22:17] <%MK> My Sithis?

[22:17] <+RottenDeadite> Yes.

[22:17] <+OPG> yep

[22:18] <%MK> At its basest, it would be complete and utter misanthropy

[22:19] <Neradac> Whats the meaning of the mix-ups between auri-el and Anui-el?

[22:19] <%MK> It's a hole

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> And yet it's the start of all houses...?

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH

[22:19] <%MK> That's how you... right.

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> OH I think I get it.

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> That's how you seperate yourself from other people.

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Houses divide people.

[22:19] <Mojo> ^

[22:19] <_stille_> :D

[22:19] <+RottenDeadite> Sithis is the inspiration for seperation.

[22:19] <%MK> @Neredac, you had yours

[22:19]  * RottenDeadite does a little dance.

[22:20] <Neradac> ah well :P

[22:20] <%MK> Are we all done? Did Morgan go?

[22:20] <+myrrlyn> i dont think so no

[22:20] <+RottenDeadite> No Morgan's thinking.

[22:20] <%MK> Otherwise, Imma bow out.

[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> V has one, I'm thinking. Still.

[22:20] <%MK> Go, V.

[22:20] <+Varanu> I haven't gone either, but I'm sort of mourning the Dragon Break at Red Mountain thing.

[22:20] <!Dovahkiin> (I think V has one)

[22:21] <%MK> Why mourning?

[22:21] <+Varanu> I had a long complicated fan theory about the whole thing ;)

[22:21] <+Varanu> as one does

[22:21] <+RottenDeadite> Not NEARLY as complex as my Sithis theory V :D

[22:21] <%MK> Remember always that your Nerevine gets to decide and no one else.

[22:21] <+Varanu> I was going to ask you who /really/ struck the Heart, Nerevar or Kagrenac, but if it was a Dragon Break...

[22:22] <%MK> If it was a Dragon Break, you get to tell me

[22:22] <+Varanu> ah, I suppose :)

[22:22] <%MK> You got one if you want it.

[22:23] <Neradac> brb

[22:23] <%MK> I really gotta call it at 10:30

[22:23] <Mojo> Yeah what happened to dinner?

[22:23] <+Varanu> ...why is Vivec so consistently presented as masculine, if he's a hermaphrodite?

[22:23] <+Varanu> Male pronouns, male appearance in game, etc.

[22:23] <%MK> oh, V, just...wait for it.

[22:23] <%MK> INFER

[22:24] <+Varanu> But it /is/ a thing?

[22:24] <%MK> it probably is the BEST thing

[22:24] <+Varanu> It's not just "characters are male unless specifically stated otherwise" oh YAY

[22:24] <%MK> not at all

[22:24] <+Varanu> :)

[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> What's with all the musical connotations behind Elder Scrolls? You said last night that tonal architecture is similar to synaesthesia, but there's obviously something greater at play here.

[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> [e.g. attuning spheres, etc]

[22:25] <%MK> You mean like, I dunno, the name of "C0DA"?

[22:25] <+RottenDeadite> OH FUCK ME

[22:25] <!Dovahkiin> Yeah, I'm still figuring that stuff out

[22:25] <%MK> lol

[22:26] <%MK> I can't really answer that without sounding like a fag

[22:26] <%MK> give me a moment

[22:26] <+myrrlyn> get your gay on then. it's fun.

[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> And, yeah, Coda = finale. I *knew* that. But...

[22:26] <Neradac> oh gawd..

[22:26] <Mojo> Finale isn't totally correct

[22:26] <+RottenDeadite> http://en.wikipedia....iki/Coda_(music)

[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> "closing piece"

[22:26] <+Varanu> It's not really /quite/ a finale.

[22:26] <+RottenDeadite> For the techincally minded.

[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> yeah

[22:26] <+myrrlyn> yeah it's more of a denouement, i guess?

[22:26] <!Dovahkiin> I was about to link that

[22:26] <+Varanu> Oh man. You know what would be /amazing/?

[22:27] <+Varanu> Landfall fugue.

[22:27] <+Varanu> I would listen to that /for ever/.

[22:27] <Mojo> It's an ending that is separate from the rest of the piece

[22:27] <%MK> seriously, hold and I'll answer the music question

[22:28] <_stille_> we're holding, we're just holding while chattering excitedly at each other like kids on Christmas day waiting for the big present to be opened :P

[22:29] <%MK> don't get too worked up

[22:29] <%MK> Tamriel

[22:29] <%MK> Starry Heart

[22:29] <%MK> That whole fucking thing is a song

[22:30] <%MK> It was made either out of 12 planets

[22:30] <%MK> or from two brothers that split in the womb

[22:30] <%MK> either way, it's the primal wail

[22:30] <%MK> and those that grew up on it

[22:30] <%MK> they can't help but hear it

[22:31] <%MK> and add to it

[22:31]  * _stille_ is playing the Sunshine adagio from here and recommends you do so too

[22:31] <%MK> or try to control it

[22:31] <%MK> or run from it

[22:31] <Mojo> Seems so obvious now

[22:31] <Neradac> hah

[22:31] <%MK> the reason there IS music on Tamriel at ALL

[22:31] <%MK> is because it exists

[22:31]  * Varanu is listening to the Fugue in D Minor on harpsichord. Sunshine adagio will have to wait.

[22:31] <%MK> it was and is

[22:32] <%MK> and it will not stop

[22:32] <%MK> there are repeats in it

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[22:32] <Mojo> I have to get going guys. Talk to you all tomorrow. and Thanks MK for the advice and offers and of course spoilers

[22:32] <Mojo> Take care

[22:32] <%MK> plays on a tune

[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> (hi 2939)

[22:32] <+SemblioSanctii> cya mojo

[22:32] <%MK> variations

[22:32] <%MK> and most likely

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[22:33] <%MK> Magnus?

[22:33] <%MK> he's the one that made the fucker

[22:33] <%MK> and now that's why he looks back on it

[22:33] <%MK> every single day

[22:33] <%MK> that's his promise

[22:33] <%MK> when you wake up, I will still listen

[22:33] <%MK> I'm sorry I left

[22:33] <%MK> but hey

[22:33] <_stille_> what about Magnus?

[22:34] <%MK> I'm still right up here

[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> I'll tell ya later stille

[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Aurbis is Love.

[22:34] <%MK> And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then.

[22:34] <+RottenDeadite> The Amaranth is Love.

[22:34] <%MK> and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around

[22:34] <%MK> the last real moment

[22:35] <%MK> The Mnemoli?

[22:35] <%MK> They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls.

[22:35] <%MK> They cannot be fixed until seen.

[22:35] <%MK> And they cannot be seen until a moment.

[22:35] <%MK> And you, your hero, makes that moment,

[22:35] <%MK> Does that make sense?

[22:35] <+Umpteen> A lot.

[22:35] <_stille_> yes

[22:35] <%MK> Cuz I'm done.

[22:35] <!Dovahkiin> Yes

[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> I... yeah.

[22:35] <+myrrlyn> that

[22:35] <+myrrlyn> was

[22:35] <Neradac> da

[22:35] <+SemblioSanctii> thanks

[22:36] <+Varanu> 's pretty :)

[22:36] <+myrrlyn> beautiful

[22:36] <_stille_> I'd hug you were we in the same room.

[22:36] <+OPG> huh

[22:36] <+Umpteen> So, that solar library.

[22:36] <%MK> Thanks for a good question to end on, Morgan.

[22:37] <!Dovahkiin> Best answer. Thank you.

[22:37] <%MK> lol fuck off, umpteen. I can't do more than that tonight.

[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Hehehe

[22:37] <+Varanu> lol

[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Going to bed.

[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Thank you so much, MK.

[22:37] <%MK> one second, Chris

[22:37] <%MK> Think about the last scene in C0DA

[22:37] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah I FUCKING AM DUDE :D

[22:37] <%MK> And ask me about music again.

[22:37] <%MK> lol.

[22:38] <!Dovahkiin> who are you talking to? :p

[22:38] <+RottenDeadite> It's the formula of the tetragrammatron

[22:38] <%MK> "I wrote of this in a [future] life"

[22:38] <%MK> no spoilers

[22:38] <%MK> But yeah. Last scene. Last page. There's your music. There's your coda to the last time around.

[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> I'm gonna sleep and dream the greatest stuff ever.

[22:39] <%MK> Time to make new moments.

[22:39] <%MK> Best place for it.

[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> ...

[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Oh.

[22:39] <%MK> Dream, people.

[22:39] <+RottenDeadite> Goodnight, all!

[22:39] <!Dovahkiin> Night, RD

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[22:39] <+Varanu> night, Rotten :)

[22:39] <+Varanu> ...

[22:39] <+Varanu> again

[22:39] <%MK> aight. I'm out too.

[22:39] <+Varanu> seeya :)

[22:39] <+Umpteen> K bye have fun

[22:39] <_stille_> night Rotten

[22:40] <+Varanu> ty stille

[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> Thanks and see ya.

[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Cya MK

[22:40] <%MK> We could do this on reddit, but I fear them.

[22:40] <+myrrlyn> teslore's pretty nice this time of year

[22:40] <%MK> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DWEMER?

[22:40] <+Varanu> makes sense, they are all savage beasts over there

[22:40] <+Varanu> lol

[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> If it's a live one, PoPs & co

[22:40] <!Dovahkiin> Mods would remove that crap

[22:40] <%MK> HOW LONG DO ELVES LIVE?

[22:40] <+SemblioSanctii> can beat down inanity very well

[22:40] <+myrrlyn> god dammit now you gave them another century

[22:40] <_stille_> WHAT ARE THE RW EQUIVALENT TO TES RACES?!?!

[22:41]  * _stille_ stabs herself in the eye

[22:41] <+Varanu> If Stormcloak Vivec and Imperial Tiber Septim had a fight, who would win and where would the loser's soul go after he died?

[22:41] <%MK> Maybe we will. But there's something about writing live that it wouldn't replace.

[22:41] <%MK> lol

[22:41] <!Dovahkiin> lol Varanu

[22:41] <%MK> talk soon.

[22:41] <%MK> night.

[22:41] <+SemblioSanctii> night

[22:41] <_stille_> night

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[22:41] <_stille_> well, morning

[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Var, they would kill each other, then hold hands together as they skip merrily into /r/shittyteslore

[22:42] <+Varanu> there are exactly nineteen minutes left until morning for me.

[22:42] <!Dovahkiin> lol

[22:42] <+Umpteen> I need to fight now

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[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> Aw.

[22:42] <+Varanu> Sembz, would they then proceed to make out?

[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> of course.

[22:42] <+SemblioSanctii> messily.

[22:42] <+Varanu> :D

[22:42] <+myrrlyn> and reacharounds

[22:42] <+myrrlyn> cant forget those

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[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> While Wulfhearth and Ayem worked the cameras.

[22:43] <+Varanu> that is no longer making out.

[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> hmm, RD might have read it too

[22:43] <+myrrlyn> not with THAT attitude

[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> :p

[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> looks that way

[22:43] <+Varanu> wat, myrr

[22:43] <!Dovahkiin> Iiiiiinteresting. Very iiinteresting.

[22:43] <+Varanu> I am never making out with you.

[22:43] <_stille_> what's Sotha doing however?

[22:43] <+Varanu> I mean. I wasn't going to anyway.

[22:43] <+Varanu> But still.

[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Sotha's in the corner with Nerevar's mask.

[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Still.

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[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> Staring into your soul.

[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> "mask"

[22:43] <+SemblioSanctii> face*

[22:43] <+Varanu> The Red Moment orgy is canon.

[22:44] <+Varanu> Next time MK shows up I'm showing it to him.

[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> lol

[22:44] <+Varanu> Someone dare me.

[22:44] <_stille_> I dare you

[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Double'd.

[22:44] <+Varanu> lol

[22:44] <+OPG> I triple dog dare you.

[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> How would an orgy work during a Dragon Break?

[22:44] <+SemblioSanctii> Just out of the blue.

[22:44] <+myrrlyn> how WOULDN'T it work

[22:44] <!Dovahkiin> All possible combinations of sex attempted

[22:45] <+OPG> I nonuple dog dare yo, Var

[22:45] <+Varanu> OK.

[22:45]  * Varanu rereads the sucker

[22:46] <+SemblioSanctii> Right, so. Dunno about you guys but I'm not drafting 140-char bits or looking for images until tomorrow.

[22:46] <_stille_> also is it me or there;s a moment in some obscure text (perhaps the Hogithum Hall RP) where there's some mentions of the one who'd become Vivec and his black hands as he touches the Heart in that one red moment?

[22:46] <+Varanu> I think so.

[22:46] <+Varanu> At least it sounds familiar.

[22:46] <_stille_> yah I know

[22:46] <+myrrlyn> i can check hogi

[22:46] <_stille_> please do

[22:46] <Neradac> So aka, biggest scroll of them all

[22:46] <Neradac> and what are the set

[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.

[22:48] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.

[22:48] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.

[22:48] <+myrrlyn> only instance of "red moment" in text

[22:48] <+Varanu> I am so happy about the pronouns thing, by the way.

[22:48] <+SemblioSanctii> in the entire trial or just the ending bit? /pedantic for certanity

[22:49] <+Varanu> It makes my brain buzz slightly.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> whole thing

[22:49] <+SemblioSanctii> kk

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> As Vehk and Vehk I hereby answer, my right and my left, with black hands.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Vehk the God did not, and remains as written.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> And yet these two are the same being. And yet are not, save for one red moment.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> Know that with the Water-Face do I answer, and so cannot be made to lie.

[22:49] <+myrrlyn> full quote, srry

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16:13 Dovahkiin set the topic at: Oct 15, 2013 11:18 PM
16:13 Mode: +tnr
16:13 Created at: Mar 13, 2013 10:38 PM
16:13 Sifrael_: no, thx
16:13 Cider: I think that's an extremely important question
16:14 Cider: like traditionalist nords shunning Dunmer, traditionalist dunmer shunning nord and argonians and just the relationship between the dunmer and argonians being a very harsh and unstable one
16:14 Cider: along with Orsimer and bretons and crown and forebears
16:15 Sifrael_: wel, all the questions about the variety inside the races are important. t's one of the worst thing, the homogenization : one dunmer style, only imperial, no forebears/crowns, or only the 8 divines and no moth
16:15 Cider: Yea that would be annoying
16:15 Cider: OH
16:15 Cider: "Will there be additional bonuses for whatever group who controls the Moth Priests?"
16:16 Cider: because technically we wouldn't be able to use the scrolls without the priests on our side
16:16 Sifrael_: wait... taking the control of moth priest... typical cyrodilic thing.... they can't do that
16:16 Sifrael_: well, giving scrolls to every faction is crazy
16:16 Cider: well not really taking over
16:17 Cider: but governing them
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16:17 Cider: the priests would still be a group they just are on a side
16:17 Sifrael_: Wait, I have just seen me leaving !
16:18 Cider: xD
16:18 Cider: oh wait
16:18 Cider: did they announce naval combat?
16:18 Sifrael_: I don't remeber of it
16:18 Cider: Naval combat would be interesting
16:18 Cider: Hmm what else
16:19 Cider: OH
16:19 Sifrael_: oh, question : will ESO be in a dragon break, in order to justify we don't care of what is said about lore inside?
16:19 Varanu_afk is now known as Varanu
16:19 Cider: "Will races be able to go on a pilgrimage of their choice in religion?"
16:19 Mojo: Serpent Break is my theory
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16:19 Sifrael_: Because of the constellaion of the serpent said to take all the place in the sky?
16:20 Varanu: actually
16:20 Varanu is now known as Varanu_semiAFK
16:20 Mojo: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1hy82d/serpent_break_a_theory_for_eso/"]http://www.reddit.co...theory_for_eso/[/url]
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16:20 Sifrael_: I thought the eruption of Red Mountain could mean at least a Dragon break. Good thing for lore :)
16:21 Cider: and "Do you plan on allowing more then one type of faction being joinable later on in the series? I.e. Morag tong, companions, chaphill tong"
16:21 Sifrael_: well, yes, Mage Guild in Morrowind or Alinor....
16:22 Cider: it makes no real sense
16:22 Cider: hell
16:22 Cider: it doesn't make sense for those guilds to be outside of cyrodiil
16:22 Cider: especially during a war where everyone is bumrushing Cyrod
16:23 Cider: and DB in Morrowind makes no sense
16:23 Sifrael_: there's DB in Morrowind - Tribunal
16:23 TC01: Have the guilds ever made sense?
16:24 Cider: Not really
16:24 TC01: Yeah :/
16:24 Cider: the guilds change philosophies with each game
16:24 Sifrael_: But the worst is in the summurste isles - Anuic elves letting Sithis worshipers in their lands?
16:24 Cider: Yea
16:24 Cider: OH BRINGS UP AN IMPORTANT QUESTION
16:25 Cider: "Will the city of Alinor be only accessible to Altmer?"
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16:26 Sifrael_: It should, yes, but no. buildings are not made of dream, so, why would Altmer prevent argonians or dunmer to go in Alinor?
16:26 TC01: Alinor isn't even in the game at the beginning though... no?
16:26 TC01: Unless something has changed?
16:26 Sifrael_: ok, so, shouldn't ask this one.
16:27 Cider: "Why is the Lusty Argonian Maid in the second era when it was written in the late third era?"
16:27 Sifrael_: because it is what lore will be reduced to : lusty books for lusty players?
16:27 TC01: something something Curio reinterpreted a folk tale
16:27 TC01: I think they said something like that
16:28 Thrice-Croked: a folk tale about porn
16:28 Thrice-Croked: silly
16:28 Cider: ...
16:28 Thrice-Croked: but it kinda works...
16:28 Thrice-Croked: also Cider alinor aint in the game
16:28 Cider: I don't buy it
16:29 Cider: it's clearly not a folk tale by the way the NPCs in Morrowind talk
16:29 Cider: even the actor doesn't know about it
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16:29 Cider: if it was a folk tale wouldn't an actor know it?
16:29 Thrice-Croked: you know it may very well be not a morrowind folk tale...
16:29 Cider: the actor wasn't a dunmer
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16:30 Thrice-Croked: it could be a nibenese folk tale... or something else the actor didnt know.
16:30 Thrice-Croked: you know all things considered its a bad excuse
16:30 Cider: It still an idiotic cop out
16:30 Thrice-Croked: but its an ewxcuse
16:30 Cider: take the fucking book out
16:30 Cider: it won't hurt the game
16:30 Sifrael_: [url="http://2ch.hk/tes/src/1380210301345.jpg"]http://2ch.hk/tes/sr...80210301345.jpg[/url]
16:30 Thrice-Croked: make fucking cyrod a jungle
16:30 Thrice-Croked: do fucking khajiit subraces
16:30 Cider: you're breaking lore and destroying something by claiming it's just a fucking folk tale
16:31 Thrice-Croked: Sifrael did schick actually say that?
16:31 Sifrael_: I believe - in a video, but I found some complaints about it, so
16:32 Thrice-Croked: cause i dont think he actually said that
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16:32 Thrice-Croked: i dont think ZOS would dare to put Bethesda in this bad spot
16:32 Thrice-Croked: also ESO is all things considered as much a "retelling" as the other games since the distances are not geographically correct
16:32 TC01: Even if he thinks that, I can't imagine him actually coming out and saying it
16:33 Sifrael_: just found this : [url="http://www.cgalliance.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-47124.html"]http://www.cgallianc...hp/t-47124.html[/url]
16:34 Cider: yea...
16:34 Sifrael_: Don't know if it is serious [url="http://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=36585"]http://forums.uesp.n...hp?f=44&t=36585[/url]
16:34 Cider: here is the problem
16:34 Cider: Bethesda has more right to say what is a "faniful potryal" then zenimax online
16:34 Sifrael_: I, likewise, can find no evidence he actually said that, only that people believe he did.
16:35 Sifrael_: It seems no one on the UESP found the source.
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16:42 Thrice-Croked: yeah
16:42 Thrice-Croked: this is BS
16:42 Thrice-Croked: im pretty sure this is an elaborate troll
16:42 Thrice-Croked: it sound slike something he would say
16:42 Thrice-Croked: like
16:42 Thrice-Croked: the words hes using
16:42 Thrice-Croked: but i doubt he said that
16:43 TC01: Probably someone trying to drum up more hatred for Schick in the lore community
16:43 Thrice-Croked: like there is any need for that....
16:43 Thrice-Croked: as if there wasnt enaugh reasons to hate him already
16:43 Sif_losing_connection: unnecessary
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16:44 Sif_losing_connection: by by myself!
16:44 Sif_losing_connection: XDD
16:53 Thrice-Croked: good night folks
16:53 Varanu_semiAFK: night TC
16:55 Sif_losing_connection: night'
16:58 Sif_losing_connection: ok, I won't stay for long, too.
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17:11 minimyrr: mentlegen
17:11 minimyrr: varanu
17:11 minimyrr: hello
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17:23 minimyrr: holly
17:23 MarcusFlavi: Hey
17:25 minimyrr: how's things
17:27 MarcusFlavi: Nothing much actually, you?
17:27 minimyrr: just got back to trine
17:27 minimyrr: i should do some homework
17:27 minimyrr: but
17:27 minimyrr: i ain't gonna
17:28 MarcusFlavi: I know that feel
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17:38 Sif_losing_connection: so, bye!
17:39 Sif_losing_connection: However, I have some question to ask to MK. I won't be there if he passes this night, if some of them seem relevant to you (well, most are at least a bit  weird) , could you ask him?
17:39 Mojo: Bye sif
17:39 Mojo: Sure
17:39 Sif_losing_connection: thx
17:39 Sif_losing_connection: 1) is the presence of "CODA" in this arcturian heresy intended, or only a transciption error [url="http://lagbt.wiwiland.net/wikibiblio/index.php/L%27h%C3%A9r%C3%A9sie_arcturienne{"]http://lagbt.wiwilan...arcturienne[/url] In  fact, a lot of texts in the french version have parts added, removed,  or changed. Is it because the translator did his job too fast, or is it  under - or against - your (and some other writers) will it was done, and  not implemented in some l
17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 2) I present here [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1473269-crusaders-and-crosses/?p=23001722%20%20what"]http://forums.bethso...=23001722  what[/url] I think about crusaders - in short, "the sword is the cross" makes  me think crusader have something to do with the "sword at the center"? With all the tsaesci, dunmer, and imperials crusader, I liked this idea.
17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 3) There's a link between a lot of characters. Is there somthing to dig there ;  mnemoli,  memory, Leki (through the Ephemeral Feint, which seems to be linked to  dragon break - and mnemoli comes during dragon breaks), and Makela Leki  (who records her memory in a memory stone - linked to the mnemolichite   of Hahd?) then,  the scrarab ; it  takes the place of the Steed in redguard  constellations, and I believe it is int
17:40 SemblioAbsentiiInVeritas is now known as SemblioSemiAbsentii
17:40 Sif_losing_connection: then,  the scrarab ; it  takes the place of the Steed in redguard  constellations, and I believe it is intended. Then, in the sermons,  pledging his soul to the Frame-maker, the Scarab. Scarab-Framer being a  Magne-Ge under the sign of Y, the sign of Mnemoli.
17:40 SemblioSemiAbsentii: hello all
17:40 Sif_losing_connection: 4)  In the sword-meeting of Cyrus and Tiber, Cyrus is compared with the  Nerevarine, with the use of Hoonding. If we said Make-Way God, instead  of Hoonding, is it closer of why the Nerevarine is a highway which  should be waried? (note  about this ; it is to know if the theory nerevarine = make way god =  making the way for the dunmer can truly be forgotten, or not)
17:41 Sif_losing_connection: Hello.
17:41 Sif_losing_connection: A bit long, yes, but take the part you think will be interesting
17:41 Sif_losing_connection: and, of course, we are not even sure the Elk will have time to answer!
17:42 Sif_losing_connection: bye, memospore
17:42 SemblioSemiAbsentii: cya
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17:44 Dovahkiin: Resonance
17:45 Dovahkiin: Idea about the Towers: they're tuning forks.
17:45 minimyrr: ooooOOOOOOOHHHHHHH
17:45 minimyrr: whoa
17:45 minimyrr: i like
17:45 Dovahkiin: Void is noise.
17:45 Dovahkiin: Towers make the noise resonate
17:45 Dovahkiin: Removing a Tower's stone stops it from resonating
17:45 Mojo: Question, how many tones did Kagrenac make?
17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: uh
17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: I forget. :\
17:46 SemblioSemiAbsentii: there's the... 15 and One golden tones, right?
17:46 Dovahkiin: yes
17:46 Mojo: Okedoke
17:46 Dovahkiin: How many Towers do we know?
17:47 minimyrr: 2 divine
17:47 SemblioSemiAbsentii: ...eight, I think? Nine if we propose one in Black Marsh/Hist as Tower etc.
17:47 minimyrr: i can only think of six artificial
17:47 minimyrr: seven, yokuda
17:47 minimyrr: are we counting numidium?
17:47 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Should, I think.
17:47 Dovahkiin: Yes, let's
17:47 Dovahkiin: Also, it always seems to create dragon breaks anyway
17:48 minimyrr: Ada-Mantia, Red Mountain.
17:48 minimyrr: Crystal Like Law, Green Sap
17:48 minimyrr: White Gold, Snow Throat
17:48 minimyrr: Khajiit
17:48 minimyrr: Numidium
17:48 minimyrr: Orichalc
17:50 MarcusFlavi: Hmm eight would be perfect (octave)
17:50 MarcusFlavi: But 8+1 could work
17:50 SemblioSemiAbsentii: 'jiit tower is most recent, after all.
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Not counting activations/reactivations of Walk brass
17:51 minimyrr: +1 gets tagged on to pretty much every mythic perfect-number, really
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Or -1
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: (18 less one, The Victor)
17:51 MarcusFlavi: Yeah, and eight mortal-made one divine is explainable
17:51 minimyrr: two mortal
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Two divine*
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: But
17:51 minimyrr: Ada Mantia, Red Mountain
17:51 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Eight successors
17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: one archetype
17:52 MarcusFlavi: Yeah ok, but one really on purpose
17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Red Mountain is a consequence of Adamantia, in a way,.
17:52 Dovahkiin: [url="http://www.reddit.co...twg00?context=2"]http://www.reddit.co...twg00?context=2[/url]
17:52 MarcusFlavi: I mean red mountain kinda happened
17:52 minimyrr: you know they cant all see that, right?
17:52 SemblioSemiAbsentii: private, Dovah
17:52 Dovahkiin: vehk
17:52 Dovahkiin: welp
17:52 Dovahkiin: oops
17:53 minimyrr: HAY GUISE
17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Intentionally private hole in the wall?
17:53 minimyrr: PRIVATE LORE SUB
17:53 minimyrr: BE JEALOUS
17:53 Dovahkiin: OT made it for lore discussions like... 2 days ago
17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: is not
17:53 MarcusFlavi: I think I understand why we need at least two towers....
17:53 Dovahkiin: I'll nag him to invite you
17:53 minimyrr: why's that?
17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: because it will inevitably turn to "LOL GUYS LOOK AT THIS QUESITONS IN TESLORE AND SKYRIM AREN'T THEY DUMB OLOLOL"
17:53 Mojo: I thought he said he would
17:53 SemblioSemiAbsentii: just like the shittysubs
17:54 Dovahkiin: It's been very on topic
17:54 Mojo: hahahaha
17:54 minimyrr: no i mean the tower
17:54 SemblioSemiAbsentii: On topic for two days?
17:54 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Color me impressed. :P
17:54 Mojo: Granted it's only been 2 days :P
17:54 minimyrr: yeah, if we want to mock the teslore questions, we just ... do
17:55 MarcusFlavi: Mundus is a song right? If we need the towers as tuning forks, and they make the tones of the song
17:55 MarcusFlavi: With at least two towers (two notes) you can make a melody, but not with one
17:55 Dovahkiin: sighs. All it is is just a discussion sub where we bounce ideas.
17:55 MarcusFlavi: With one tower, there is no song
17:55 minimyrr: like this place
17:55 Dovahkiin: Also, yeah, good point.
17:55 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Hm.
17:55 minimyrr: but for people who don't want to irc
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17:58 SemblioSemiAbsentii: oh yeah, for skyrim screenshots, is it better to use the anicam or tfc console setting?
17:58 Dovahkiin: have you used tui before?
17:58 Dovahkiin: (I think that's it)
17:59 minimyrr: I use... steam.
17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: I mean for camera controls
17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: not UI supression
17:59 Dovahkiin: Oh
17:59 minimyrr: anicam?
17:59 minimyrr: i'd just use tfc, but i am pretty casuel about controls
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17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: well, I'll have to mess with it myself anyway
17:59 SemblioSemiAbsentii: hi Lilrhys
17:59 Dovahkiin: hey there
18:00 Lilrhys: Hi
18:00 SemblioSemiAbsentii: sup?
18:00 minimyrr: OHAI
18:00 MarcusFlavi: Hey
18:01 Lilrhys: Sitting in bed hoping that something interesting happens before I fall asleep.
18:01 Mojo: Hi Lilrhys
18:01 Mojo: *A wild MK appears*
18:01 Mojo: looks around
18:01 minimyrr: MK might swing by soon. in a while. eventually.
18:01 Mojo: Damn
18:01 KM has joined (webchat@1e79b4c9.1413884c.tx.comcast.net)
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18:01 Mojo: bullshit
18:02 SemblioSemiAbsentii: lol
18:02 MarcusFlavi: Your conjuration is too low to buy that spell, mojo
18:02 Dovahkiin: ;)
18:02 Mojo: heh
18:04 minimyrr: dammit i have a game saturday. urgh.
18:04 Dovahkiin: Well, then, there's the idea of subgradiation and Towers
18:05 Dovahkiin: Towers tune noise. Mundus needs towers to stay out of the Void.
18:05 Dovahkiin: i.e. it fortifies the gradient
18:05 SemblioSemiAbsentii: Is the Void in this schema random chaotic off-notes or the utter absence of tone?
18:06 Dovahkiin: It's cosmic radiation.
18:06 Dovahkiin: Random chaotic noise.
18:06 SemblioSemiAbsentii: k
18:06 MarcusFlavi: It could be, radio's can pick up background noise from the Big Bang
18:06 Dovahkiin: From MK: "either way, it's the primal wail"
18:07 MarcusFlavi: So the Void might be a monotone ring in the Godhead's mind
18:07 Dovahkiin: Alternatively, you could argue the opposite
18:07 minimyrr: the void is tinnitus?
18:07 minimyrr: it exists without really existing?
18:07 Dovahkiin: And say that the Void is the absence of tone, and that Mundus is a tone created by the Towers
18:08 SemblioSemiAbsentii is now known as TinnitusSanctus
18:08 Dovahkiin: But I think there might be stronger evidence for tuning noise
18:08 Dovahkiin: MK said that the Void is psychosomatic
18:08 minimyrr: well tuning forks don't turn noise into signal
18:08 minimyrr: >psychosomatic
18:09 minimyrr: ...tinnitus can be midway between damage and psychosomatic
18:09 Dovahkiin: Well, they don't
18:09 Dovahkiin: hmm
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18:09 minimyrr: mine is
18:09 Dovahkiin: But, the idea is that they resonate
18:09 minimyrr: yeah
18:09 Dovahkiin: At a frequency set by the Stone
18:09 Dovahkiin: To the presence of all frequencies in the Grey Maybe
18:09 minimyrr: well there are other tone sets besides the octal
18:09 minimyrr: back to tinnitus being psychosomatic though, mine is part damage part psychosomatic
18:10 minimyrr: i always have a little bit of a buzz
18:10 MarcusFlavi: They can make the tones of Mundus resonate with the stones, creating a melody that distinguishes it from the rest of the aurbis
18:10 minimyrr: but in bathrooms and only bathrooms, it gets REALLY REALLY loud
18:10 Dovahkiin: :/
18:10 minimyrr: because that's where i attempted suicide last, probably.
18:10 minimyrr: my own fault
18:10 minimyrr: anyway, that kind of fits the existing/not-existing bridge
18:10 Dovahkiin: uh, you sure you should be sharing that on the internet?
18:10 minimyrr: already did
18:10 TinnitusSanctus is now known as SemblioSanctii
18:10 minimyrr: why do you think i got kicked out of TSG?
18:11 minimyrr: besides, if mk can trust us with important work documents, i think that sentence is fine.
18:11 MarcusFlavi: Well, keep in mind that these things are less private then they appear
18:11 minimyrr: i've given you *a* name, but nothing says it's actually me
18:12 minimyrr: i'm really not that worried about it.
18:12 MarcusFlavi: You've only ever given me a first name, one that is pretty standard
18:12 SemblioSanctii: Actually speaking of that, Dovahkiin, I'd really really liked to set #Secunda to +k or passworded in some way
18:12 Dovahkiin: Oh
18:12 SemblioSanctii: and hopefully we can talk a bit about keeping shit close at hand in the next hangout.
18:12 Dovahkiin: I'd do +i
18:12 Dovahkiin: yes
18:13 Mojo: Good idea SS
18:13 Dovahkiin: +stinr is best mode
18:13 Dovahkiin: just requires registration
18:13 minimyrr: s,t,n,r?
18:13 Dovahkiin: or an invite from someone
18:14 Dovahkiin: secret, topiclock, registered, no one outside channel can post
18:14 SemblioSanctii: that what was used for #memospore1 before?
18:14 Dovahkiin: yes
18:14 SemblioSanctii: k
18:14 Dovahkiin: swap n and r
18:14 Dovahkiin: but you get the gist
18:14 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFhB6bSZLRw[/media]
18:14 SemblioSanctii: most of us have probably seen ^ before but it's a thing
18:18 Dovahkiin: that's actually pretty cool
18:18 Mojo: Nice
18:18 Dovahkiin: lots of choices and knobs
18:18 Mojo: ZOS WHERE'S MY INVITE BACK!
18:18 Dovahkiin: They're really refining character creation
18:18 Dovahkiin: I like it
18:18 minimyrr: mhmm
18:18 minimyrr: orcs are still too pale tho
18:20 Dovahkiin: anyway, make sure y'all are registered
18:20 Dovahkiin: yes, y'all, I'm in Texas for God's sake
18:21 Dovahkiin: is still slightly uncomfortable with using "y'all" but it's growing
18:22 Mojo: Registered?
18:22 minimyrr: with nickserv
18:22 Dovahkiin: how: [url="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e9ZrazbfcekPVhwyA0wfCyshYzaefTdskIVw0R61N2Q/edit"]https://docs.google....IVw0R61N2Q/edit[/url]
18:22 MarcusFlavi: And hiw we do that?
18:22 MarcusFlavi: Nevermind..
18:23 SemblioSanctii: lol
18:23 SemblioSanctii: the hell is facebot?
18:24 MarcusFlavi is now known as hollymarkie
18:25 minimyrr: you can group nine other nicks with your main by being them and /msg nickserv group mainnick password
18:25 Mojo: okay registered
18:25 minimyrr: abuses this feature
18:26 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker
18:26 Mojo_Tracker is now known as Mojo
18:27 Dovahkiin: also, IRCHighway has a ton of bots
18:27 Dovahkiin: they're all chanbots and do the same stuff
18:27 Dovahkiin: but they just have a bunch of names
18:27 hollymarkie: Alright... on nick down
18:27 hollymarkie is now known as MarcusFlavi
18:27 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker
18:28 Arena has changed mode: +v transcrybyr
18:28 minimyrr: thanks
18:28 minimyrr: he needs that SO MUCH
18:28 Mojo_Tracker is now known as Mojo
18:29 Dovahkiin: !resync
18:29 Dovahkiin: (how I wish that was a thing)
18:30 Cimbri: hi all [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bZWZEwY21Q[/media] bye all
18:30 Mojo: lol
18:31 Mojo: brb
18:31 minimyrr: hmmm?
18:31 MarcusFlavi: Yeah, apparantly my youtube does not allow me to watch shakespeare on phone
18:37 minimyrr: should i have krognaz get with aela? i mean, she is an easy 17/10
18:37 minimyrr: but... not orc
18:39 minimyrr: decisions decisions
18:39 MarcusFlavi: Playing Skyrim?
18:39 minimyrr: yes
18:42 SemblioSanctii: stronghold orc or bust
18:42 SemblioSanctii: Your best chance.
18:42 Cimbri: I always have my nord marry Borgakh the Iron heart
18:42 Cimbri: Steel Heart
18:42 Cimbri: She tanks while I kill
18:44 minimyrr: yeah, if dragon walls could stop giving me letters i already know.
18:44 minimyrr: that'd just be super
18:45 minimyrr: Fus, Faas, Daan, Kaan, Yol, Wuld, Ro... I needs some new glyphs!
18:46 Varanu_semiAFK: hey
18:46 Varanu_semiAFK: Mina spontaneously called me tonight and told me how super excited she is about Secunda O_o
18:46 minimyrr: oh?
18:46 minimyrr: you should have her over sometime.
18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: yeah, I said, but she's not a fan of IRC
18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: she said she'd come to the hangout if we moved it up an hour
18:47 minimyrr: -_-
18:47 SemblioSanctii: Is it the prospect of getting reliably paid? :P
18:47 Varanu_semiAFK: 4pm EST instead of 5
18:47 Mojo: When is the next hangout?
18:47 minimyrr: who doesn't love irc?
18:47 SemblioSanctii: Saturday mojo
18:47 minimyrr: and i can't make that.
18:47 minimyrr: not that i'd be that helpful anyway:/
18:48 SemblioSanctii: I can do 4PM this sat, dunno about anyone else.
18:48 Varanu_semiAFK: I actually think it's mostly because I called her going "OH MY GOD MINA WE'RE SETTING IT ON THE DRUGS MOON NOW"
18:48 Varanu_semiAFK: and then described the landscape in lavish glorious terms for fifteen minutes
18:48 Mojo: hahaha
18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: She actually dropped one of her other projects so her schedule would be free to work with us
18:49 minimyrr: |., and |o' are pissing me off
18:49 SemblioSanctii: Actually, you know what's really odd? G+ has her under the "people you might now" thing, yet doesn't list any connections between us.
18:49 minimyrr: wow really?
18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "Meh, they sucked to work with anyway."
18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "You guys are passionate. I love working with passionate people!!"
18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: I was like, "Have you played Skyrim yet?"
18:49 Varanu_semiAFK: "No, but I've seen the art. The art is /sweet/!"
18:50 Varanu_semiAFK: it was
18:50 Varanu_semiAFK: an amusing conversation
18:50 minimyrr: is flattered
18:50 Mojo: wow
18:50 Mojo: That is awesome
18:52 Varanu_semiAFK: she was also like, "oh wait you guys will need modeling and animation people too lemme ask around"
18:52 minimyrr: whaaaaaa
18:52 Varanu_semiAFK: and then linked me to, like, her best friend's 3d modeling site
18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: sec
18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: [url="http://shifally.com/"]http://shifally.com/[/url]
18:53 Cimbri: Jibbie me jimmies that's amazing
18:53 Varanu_semiAFK: I have no idea how much we'd need to pay this person though O_o
18:53 Mojo: That is so awesome!
18:53 Mojo: O.O
18:54 Mojo: Damn, that's some talent right there
18:54 Cimbri: ^
18:55 Mojo: The Creature one is awesome
18:55 minimyrr: fuck me sideways im impressed
18:57 Cimbri: And I too express my impression in an inventive manner!
18:58 Varanu_semiAFK: and actually I'm going to move this conversation to #secunda because, uh
18:58 Varanu_semiAFK: that's what that channel is for X_X
18:59 Varanu_semiAFK is now known as Varanu
18:59 Mojo: heh
19:00 MarcusFlavi: Btw: I'm of to sleep. Night
19:00 MarcusFlavi is now known as MarcusFlavi_log
19:00 Mojo: Night Holly
19:01 RottenDeadite has joined (~RottenDea@371cd19e.18251e65.tukrga.sbcglobal.net)
19:01 Arena has changed mode: +v RottenDeadite
19:02 SemblioSanctii: night holly
19:11 minimyrr has left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
19:11 borastas has joined (webchat@296d6466.4fb88e4.3d716d1f.1a358005X)
19:14 Cimbri: Has everyone left med?
19:14 Cimbri: Me*
19:14 SemblioSanctii: is still here
19:14 RottenDeadite: I'm still here.
19:14 Cimbers has joined (webchat@ba95af8.f5eb36d.rev.stofanet.dk)
19:14 RottenDeadite: puts an arm on Cimbri's shoulder.
19:14 RottenDeadite: stares long and hard at Cimbri.
19:15 RottenDeadite: I will never leave you, Cimbri.
19:15 SemblioSanctii: hehe
19:15 Cimbers: Thank you. But apparently my irc just chose not to relay any messages to me
19:15 Cimbers: So I only saw my own words
19:15 Cimbri has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)
19:15 RottenDeadite: Yeah I think you got a weird conneciton.
19:15 Cimbers is now known as Cimbri
19:15 RottenDeadite: still hasn't taken his hand off Cimbri's shoulder.
19:16 RottenDeadite: Are you using the web client?
19:16 Cimbri: I am
19:16 RottenDeadite: Probably wanna switch to a dedicated client.
19:16 Varanu: looks at Rotten with his hand on Cimbri's shoulder
19:16 RottenDeadite: squeezes Cimbri's shoulder gently.
19:16 RottenDeadite: I use YChat.  It's very good.
19:16 Varanu: gets the video camera in case they kiss
19:16 transcrybyr: my keyboard is being fucky
19:17 Cimbri: looks at RottenDeadite with a loving expression
19:17 Cimbri: You have always been there for me
19:18 Varanu: zooms in
19:18 transcrybyr: plays subtle porn music
19:19 Cimbri: puts a hand around Rotten's waist.
19:19 Cimbri: Care to dance? She doesn't have to know
19:19 Varanu: snickers
19:19 Varanu: asked Rotten to dance once and the answer was an immediate NOPE
19:20 transcrybyr: would've said sure...
19:20 transcrybyr: just kidding
19:20 transcrybyr: not a chance.
19:20 RottenDeadite: ruins the mood when a stray bit of small intestine flops out onto the floor.
19:20 Cimbri: can't dance either, but it fits the mood
19:20 Cimbri: Is that yours?
19:20 RottenDeadite: tries to ignore the organ.
19:20 RottenDeadite: Is what mine?
19:21 SemblioSanctii: oh my what just happened in here
19:21 SemblioSanctii: I look away for a minute and wut
19:21 transcrybyr: GOD DAMMIT THE FLASHBACKS
19:21 Varanu: shhh Semblio
19:21 Varanu: (we have to talk like this or they'll notice)
19:21 transcrybyr: my brother made me read a short story about a guy accidentally prolapsing his own rectum
19:21 transcrybyr: then having to bite it off to not drown.
19:21 transcrybyr: the situation was ...complicated.
19:21 Dovahkiin: ............
19:21 Varanu: (.....)
19:21 Cimbri: What is everyone doing here!?
19:21 RottenDeadite: Wow.
19:21 Dovahkiin: Ok, back to work on Gamma distributions
19:21 Cimbri: Wow, can't a pair of men have some time for themselves?
19:21 Varanu: hastily hides the video camera
19:22 RottenDeadite: tries to take his hand of Cimbri's shoulder but his arm falls off.
19:22 RottenDeadite: Sonovabitch.
19:22 transcrybyr: i'd done so well at forgetting it
19:22 SemblioSanctii: trans, is that the copypasta with the pool? Because I don't need to read that again.
19:22 transcrybyr: but noooooo
19:22 RottenDeadite: That's the third time this week.
19:22 Varanu: you'd think a nail would work to keep it on, wouldn't you
19:22 Cimbri: takes his hand from Rotten's waist to pick up his arm
19:22 RottenDeadite: Thanks, pal.
19:23 RottenDeadite: takes his arm back and starts stitching it back on.
19:23 Cimbri: It's alright. Now what were we talking about again?
19:23 RottenDeadite: This thing always acts up in inclimate weather.
19:23 Varanu: I believe you guys were talking about how you will never be alone, Cimbz, because Rotten is there for you
19:23 Varanu: Then I think you were going to make out
19:24 Cimbri: Why would we do that?
19:24 RottenDeadite: We were?
19:24 Varanu: Yes.
19:24 RottenDeadite: I don't think Cimbri's into necrophilia.
19:24 Varanu: makes shooing gestures
19:24 Cimbri: Well that has nothing to do with it.
19:24 Cimbri: I think of you more as a friend
19:25 RottenDeadite: And I think of you more as a container for delicious, yummy brains.
19:25 transcrybyr: oh var that reminds me
19:25 Cimbri: leans in to whisper to Rotten's ear "But friends can have benefits"
19:25 Varanu: hmm?
19:25 transcrybyr: soooooooo i was sleeping with lindsee yesterday
19:25 Varanu: :D
19:25 Varanu: and???
19:25 transcrybyr: and
19:25 transcrybyr: um
19:25 Varanu: did you honk her boobs like I said not to?
19:25 transcrybyr: no
19:25 Varanu: good
19:26 transcrybyr: i managed to trick her into snuggles (not that hard)
19:26 Cimbri: Honking boobs <3
19:26 Varanu: excellent
19:26 Varanu: what then?
19:26 transcrybyr: and i thought about trying to kiss her, but....
19:26 transcrybyr: *suspense intensifies*
19:27 transcrybyr: her boyfriend's a great guy.
19:27 transcrybyr: juuuuuuuuuuust super.
19:27 Cimbri: D=
19:27 Varanu: lol
19:27 Varanu: is her boyfriend you, myrr?
19:27 Varanu: is this what you're getting at?
19:27 transcrybyr: no
19:27 transcrybyr: it is not
19:27 SemblioSanctii: ...
19:27 Varanu: aw, damn
19:27 Cimbri: D,=
19:27 SemblioSanctii: myrr I don't even.
19:27 SemblioSanctii: I don't even anymore.
19:28 Varanu: No, this is amazing.
19:28 Cimbri: Nothing makes sense ._.
19:28 Varanu: It's like.
19:28 Mojo: What have I stumbled into?
19:28 Varanu: Why would I ever need to watch daytime television again
19:28 SemblioSanctii: heh
19:28 Varanu: eats popcorn
19:28 SemblioSanctii: Good point.
19:28 transcrybyr: why would you ever watch daytime television in the first place?
19:29 Varanu: offers some of her popcorn to Semblio
19:29 SemblioSanctii: takes a bite
19:29 MK has joined (~NVN@18c3868a.28ba3a9e.nworla.sbcglobal.net)
19:29 Mojo: Hey MK
19:29 Varanu: hiya :)
19:29 SemblioSanctii: hello
19:29 transcrybyr: good thing that discussion was pretty much over.
19:29 RottenDeadite: Heya bub.
19:29 Varanu: offers her popcorn to MK too
19:29 MK: AN ENORMOUS HELLO
19:29 RottenDeadite: :D
19:29 MK: (That covers everyone)
19:30 Varanu: lol
19:30 MK: I have a couple of links I'd like to share
19:30 transcrybyr: is smothered by the greeting
19:30 Cimbri: Holy sheit, he's here!
19:30 Mojo: Sweet
19:30 Dovahkiin: Hey there MK
19:30 MK: for the mod folks
19:30 SemblioSanctii: Ears open.
19:30 MK: [url="http://www.gamesindu...ting-investment"]http://www.gamesindu...ting-investment[/url]
19:31 Varanu: oh, /yes/
19:31 MK: [url="http://usvsth3m.com/...-their-teeth-to"]http://usvsth3m.com/...-their-teeth-to[/url]
19:31 MK: read these today and thought of you guys
19:32 RottenDeadite: What the fuck, "hit-driven?"
19:32 RottenDeadite: Really?
19:32 Mojo: Thanks :)
19:32 RottenDeadite: Oooooh that second link is just what I was looking for.
19:32 Varanu: oh god, the illustrators thing
19:32 RottenDeadite: I got no idea how to talk to illustrators and artists.  None.
19:32 SemblioSanctii: Thanks!
19:33 Varanu: Mina has ranted to me about, like, all the things on that list
19:33 Varanu: especially losing her tablet pen
19:33 MK: you're welcome. read 'em or not. a lot of things might induce eye rolls, but you're gonna have to deal with some of this.
19:33 Varanu: and having people change the specs on her at the last second
19:33 MK: @V: lol
19:33 MK: yes
19:33 MK: aha, here's a normal trick for making a deal with an artist
19:34 MK: lay out your terms, with an end date, and pad it with a "rights for revision" very early on in the deliverable date
19:34 MK: like, very early
19:34 RottenDeadite: Oh sure.  Like scheduled review dates, I think?
19:35 MK: yeah, and probably just one, depending on the size of the thing
19:35 RottenDeadite: Gotcha.
19:35 MK: for a concept? one.
19:35 MK: also, and this will sound harsh, but treat the end result like Vegas
19:35 MK: Dunno if harsh is the right word
19:35 Varanu: Mina was doing creature design for us before, and then it was more like three
19:35 Varanu: Vegas?
19:35 MK: realistic is
19:35 RottenDeadite: Dry and it smells funny?
19:36 MK: hardy har
19:36 MK: What you spend for the concept is "lost" money
19:36 Varanu: ohhhh
19:36 RottenDeadite: Oh Riiiiight.
19:36 Mojo: Ahhh
19:36 MK: even if the end result is shit, and you don't use it, if you treat it like lost money then you don't feel cheated
19:36 Varanu: It might be /exactly/ what we want, it might not, either way the artist put in the time and you gotta pay 'em?
19:37 MK: which is why you always want rights to revision
19:37 MK: hell yeah you gotta pay them
19:37 MK: assuming they agreed to the end date, of course
19:37 MK: don't get a bad rep about payments
19:37 Varanu: well, yes, I didn't mean you'd /consider/ not paying them
19:37 MK: it will spread
19:38 RottenDeadite: But, I'm thinking that concept art won't end up in the game, so it's not an "investment?"  Is that it?
19:38 Mojo: It's still an investment in my opinion
19:38 Mojo: At the minimum it rules things out
19:38 RottenDeadite: Yeah but not... I dunno how to phrase this.
19:38 MK: the more concepts/artists that learn about you-- and, better, learn that you actually respect payments... that will spread, too.
19:38 transcrybyr: it doesn't go in game, but it helps the mod get more traction
19:38 Mojo: I see what you're saying though
19:39 MK: So do your legwork on the artist before choosing
19:39 transcrybyr is now known as myrrlyn
19:39 SemblioSanctii: gotcha
19:39 MK: The friend I was telling you about the other night?
19:39 MK: The major player?
19:40 RottenDeadite: Yup?
19:40 Varanu: the billions of dollars in a week dude, yeah
19:40 Varanu: or whatever amount it was
19:40 MK: Even he knew to ask for revisions. One set of them.
19:40 MK: And he treated it like lost money. Thankfully, we rocked his shit.
19:41 RottenDeadite: How do you pay for concept art?  Half early and half on delivery?  Something like that?
19:41 MK: And here's another thing
19:41 MK: Do NOT lowball anyone
19:41 Varanu: Rotten, I think it's a thing that you work out individually
19:41 RottenDeadite: Oh okahy.
19:41 MK: Part of your Mod Face? It's about respect.
19:41 MK: @V, you can
19:42 MK: But I would make a steadfast set of rules first
19:42 SemblioSanctii: Once you have a good rep you can specifiy terms more easily too, I would think.
19:42 MK: Cuz the other thing you don't want
19:42 Varanu: I've been getting all my artist advice from my sister, because I know nothing and I know she won't BS me :P
19:42 MK: Is to have them comparing notes.
19:42 Dovahkiin: btw, did some project manager upgrades last night, so stratosphe.re's ready to rock again
19:42 MK: well, wrong way to put that
19:42 MK: When they DO compare notes, it will always read fairly to each
19:43 Varanu: It's like. You don't want to pay one artist one thing, and another artist something else, just because one artist is experienced and the other is naive.
19:43 Varanu: It makes us look like assholes.
19:43 MK: "Yes, well, we were starting then. We have capital now and are raising our payments across the board."
19:43 MK: Correct.
19:43 MK: Again, it's just about respect.
19:43 borastas: Hey MK, i'm just a random person who came here to feed your ego a little. You're amazing, brah.
19:44 MK: Thanks
19:44 MK: On this channel, I don't really do that kind of ego thing
19:44 MK: Until I do
19:44 Varanu: And then it's all palm leaves and peeled grapes all the time.
19:44 MK: I will use all caps and pejoratives when I do. You'll see.
19:44 Mojo: and Whiskey
19:45 MK: In other awesome non-mod news
19:45 MK: the first pencils of C0DA will be arriving soon
19:45 Mojo: :D
19:45 MK: I am sitting here in the holy fuck
19:45 SemblioSanctii: Awesome indeed.
19:46 Varanu: :D
19:46 Dovahkiin has changed mode: +h MK
19:46 MK: And the art for Hahd is secured
19:46 Mojo: Excellent
19:46 Mojo: fistpumps again
19:46 MK: But my old pal Brom is too busy, so whoops
19:46 SemblioSanctii: also awesome
19:46 MK: I mean, who does he think he is?!?
19:47 RottenDeadite: Ohhhhh, Brom's busy?!?!
19:47 RottenDeadite: YOu don't say.
19:47 MK: lol
19:47 MK: "There is another."
19:47 RottenDeadite: Jesus.  Brom.  There's a flashback.
19:47 Dovahkiin: Oh god, Brom
19:47 MK: yeah, he got me my first professional gig
19:49 MK: So I dunno when it'll happen, but in the upcoming weeks I'm gonna have to go dark for awhile
19:49 RottenDeadite: So MK did you play a lot of Darksun?
19:49 MK: DUH
19:49 RottenDeadite: hehehe
19:49 RottenDeadite: k I figured :D
19:49 MK: Real question is: Did I emulate a lot of Dark Sun?
19:49 MK: Same answer
19:50 MK: one sec
19:50 RottenDeadite: haha
19:50 MK: back
19:51 RottenDeadite: PS MK speaking of airships [url="https://www.youtube....h?v=6b9l7Kroqtw"]https://www.youtube....h?v=6b9l7Kroqtw[/url]
19:51 RottenDeadite: It's not ideal but... well maybe we can do something with that.
19:51 MK: email me links
19:51 RottenDeadite: kk
19:51 MK: Honestly, I am shit at the internet
19:51 MK: which is why I pay people to do it for me
19:54 Mojo: Got eerily quiet
19:54 Dovahkiin: Because probability density functions
19:55 RottenDeadite: Sorry my wife called.
19:55 RottenDeadite: Also I got lotsa reading to do.
19:55 RottenDeadite: Silence is the sound of work.
19:56 Varanu: speaking of probability density, I found my old quantum text today
19:56 Varanu: I was shit at taking notes as a freshman :(
19:56 Mojo: brb, got a customer calling
19:56 RottenDeadite: You ever see this place on like a weekday morning, Mojo?
19:57 RottenDeadite: People are here, but it's like a library.
19:57 SemblioSanctii: (that depends on whether TC has Ideas)
19:57 RottenDeadite: snorts
19:57 SemblioSanctii: (3C, w/e)
19:57 SemblioSanctii: (apologies to TC01)
19:57 Mojo: Yussss
19:57 TC01: (heh)
19:57 Mojo: Scored another contract
19:57 Varanu: *\o/*
19:58 Mojo: Killin it today
19:58 RottenDeadite: Wooo!
19:58 Mojo: Nowhere as much as the first one today :P
19:58 Mojo: But it's somethin
19:58 Varanu: You know what I got done today, Mojo?
19:58 Mojo: Hmm?
19:58 Varanu: I stared at a graph and wrote down numbers for three hours.
19:58 Varanu: Then I used those numbers to look at another graph.
19:58 Varanu: SCIENCE
19:58 RottenDeadite: lol
19:58 MK: So we have brom fans here?
19:59 Mojo: raises hand
19:59 RottenDeadite: you betcha
19:59 MK: [url="http://imgur.com/VxCSZmd"]http://imgur.com/VxCSZmd[/url]
19:59 Varanu: I actually hadn't heard of him, I'm looking through his gallery
19:59 MK: SUCK IT
19:59 Varanu: lol
19:59 Dovahkiin: UMMMM
19:59 Mojo: That is boss
19:59 Dovahkiin: O_o
19:59 RottenDeadite: NOICE
20:00 MK: lol there's a sonic on the floor
20:00 Dovahkiin: oh, I see it!
20:00 RottenDeadite: tsk tsk.
20:00 Mojo: heh
20:00 RottenDeadite: So casually thrown aside :D
20:00 RottenDeadite: God the sonic I wanted is so expensive.
20:01 MK: So I had an idea
20:01 MK: Because I have them
20:01 RottenDeadite: ... I don't buy it.
20:01 Varanu: scoffs
20:02 Neradac: hmm
20:02 Neradac: is that the 11th's?
20:02 RottenDeadite: Smith's, yeah, I believe so.
20:02 Neradac: \o/
20:02 MK: tbh, C0DA is, like I mentioned, not likely to see the light of the monitor until Q1 14
20:02 RottenDeadite: Sure, sure.
20:02 Mojo: Understandable of course
20:03 MK: Which might just be a good calendar date for the LoreCon (yuck) here in NOLA
20:03 Varanu: why yuck?
20:03 Dovahkiin: <insert Lorkhan pun here>
20:03 Varanu: because pun?
20:03 RottenDeadite: Numanticon better.
20:03 Varanu: GLORIOUS PUN?
20:03 MK: Because pun
20:03 MK: NumatiCUZ
20:03 MK: That fits better
20:04 MK: fuck the CON appendage
20:04 RottenDeadite: Okay but about the con.  Where do you wanna do that thing?
20:04 MK: Liberty and shit
20:04 RottenDeadite: Hotel conference room?
20:04 Varanu: isn't that kind of short notice for a convention? O_o
20:04 MK: Assuming my company doesn't fold, we'd do it right
20:04 MK: Psssh
20:04 RottenDeadite: Oh?  Coool.
20:04 MK: that's why it's a CUZ
20:05 MK: Three days of fucking around, meeting, and running games in tamriel on a few systems I'd like to do
20:05 MK: pnp, I mean
20:05 RottenDeadite: Please feel free to charge for tickets.
20:05 MK: prolly gonna have to
20:05 RottenDeadite: Yeah I'd think so.
20:05 MK: Cuz I'm thinking the W
20:05 Varanu: I can't imagine how you would fund a convention without
20:05 RottenDeadite: Should we ask Schick to do a guest panel?
20:05 MK: He just friended me on FB
20:05 SemblioSanctii: Hah.
20:05 RottenDeadite: Ooh W's expensive.
20:05 Mojo: haha
20:06 MK: Wait
20:06 RottenDeadite: Yeah MK he's apparently doing an AMA with some Lore nerds in France, I think?
20:06 Mojo: Did he send you a pm first?
20:06 RottenDeadite: Something like that.
20:06 MK: Let's get something straight here for the record
20:06 MK: Mr. Schick is a great guy, with a a great pedigree. I'm an archivist of pnp games, and that dude? He's OG TSR.
20:07 RottenDeadite: Oh you ain't gotta tell me, dude.
20:07 MK: So never get me wrong about my attitude about him.
20:07 RottenDeadite: People around here badmouth his ass I just link his resume.
20:07 RottenDeadite: That shit is GOLD.
20:07 MK: inorite
20:07 RottenDeadite: I honestly. Honestly.  Honestly think TESO is beneath him.
20:08 MK: And I think he knows the body blows against Ayrenn is one big Tamriel-ent-No One's
20:08 MK: Damn, dude
20:08 MK: Naw, it ain't
20:08 MK: It's harder than you think these days
20:08 MK: And he could do worse than its sandbox
20:08 RottenDeadite: MMOs?  Or Gaming in general?
20:09 MK: both
20:09 MK: well, same, I guess
20:09 RottenDeadite: Oh okay.  Harder to get what you want made, then?
20:10 MK: I guess what I'm saying, please don't mistake sandcastles with malice.
20:10 RottenDeadite: OKay gotcha.
20:10 MK: No, Chris, maintaining a source of income in this industry.
20:11 RottenDeadite: Ooooohhhhh.
20:12 RottenDeadite: There's a problem with Schick, though.  Being associated with ESO means STL loves to lampoon him.
20:13 RottenDeadite: But then again we lampoon you too, MK, so... Maybe it can be out of love sometimes.
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20:13 SemblioSanctii: hi OPG
20:13 RottenDeadite: But in Schick's case I have to wonder since so many TES nuts like to badmouth him.
20:13 MK: STL?
20:13 RottenDeadite: ShittyTESlore.
20:13 MK: Here's why
20:13 Mojo: A sub-reddit that's satirical in nature
20:13 teslore778: Hi
20:13 MK: it's the real reason why
20:13 myrrlyn: (normal teslore can too at times)
20:13 myrrlyn is now known as transcrybyr
20:13 MK: Tearing down is so much easier than building
20:14 MK: I mean, it's dumb easy
20:14 RottenDeadite: Hah yeah :D
20:14 MK: Even with any social club, it's I Had a Bad Day Lemme Post
20:15 RottenDeadite: Well, when they're doing it wrong, yeah.
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20:15 Varanu: This is why you bring brownies on the day you pass out the teacher feedback forms.
20:15 RottenDeadite: hehehe
20:15 Cimbri: offers brownies to everyone
20:16 RottenDeadite: I've posted good stuff to STL that Prince of Plots on /r/teslore woudl've banned in a second.
20:16 Dovahkiin: (but actually)
20:16 MK: Again, it's about play
20:17 RottenDeadite: Well in my case it was about cats but okay.
20:17 MK: And gamers by and large are an entitled lot
20:17 Mojo: Understatement
20:17 RottenDeadite: GOD they really are.  We are.
20:17 MK: I have my Nice MK Face on right now, Mojo
20:17 RottenDeadite: Hah
20:17 Mojo: Heh
20:18 MK: I mean, look at the c0da fragments
20:18 MK: People worked on those. Real people.
20:18 MK: And we waited until the DLCs were over.
20:18 MK: The cycle goes like this:
20:19 MK: Oh Cool. Pssssh, this is fag shit. Hmm. Discussion.
20:19 MK: It just goes that way.
20:19 teslore778: (sorry)
20:19 MK: You can track it in almost any thread.
20:19 MK: that migratory pattern
20:20 teslore778: (Though admittedly, most of the complaints about the first c0da fragment â&euro;” not liking the connection â&euro;” was kinda discussion)
20:20 MK: No one has to like the connection
20:20 MK: They are there to foment discussion
20:20 RottenDeadite: Seems to me like the first thing that happens when any detail gets released about a TES-related game is that people scream in anger about something.
20:21 MK: It's a weird thing when the... veterans?
20:21 RottenDeadite: I admit I was one of the screamers when TESO got announced.
20:21 Mojo: Also that discussion leads to new connections
20:21 teslore778 is now known as OPG
20:21 Arena has changed mode: +v OPG
20:21 MK: When they don't see that some of the excite-- the real excite, not the derp excite...
20:21 MK: ...should be fostered.
20:22 MK: Sure, "Hey, I don't personally like this, but here's where it came from, here are the people that did it, this is what it relates to. Have fun."
20:22 transcrybyr: OPPY GEE!
20:22 transcrybyr: shit wrong comp. w/e
20:22 MK: Otherwise, yeah, more talk about lifespans.
20:22 MK: Which always chaps my ass.
20:23 RottenDeadite: And firearms, Michael.  Don't forget about firearms.
20:23 transcrybyr: some dying altmer just got a five year boost for that:p
20:23 OPG: How long does a Pelinal live?
20:23 RottenDeadite: Also whether the Dwemer are coming back or not.
20:23 MK: I use firearms, sir.
20:23 MK: (We know that answer)
20:23 RottenDeadite: Yeah it's the TES Lore troll trifecta.  Dwemer, lifespans, guns.
20:23 MK: OPG, wait, we'll do an AMA later if everyone's up for it.
20:23 Varanu: I still think Dwemer fireworks would be bitchin' :(
20:23 RottenDeadite: Oooh there's a thought.
20:23 MK: Dwemer fireworks are a thing.
20:24 OPG: Hah, that's the kind of question that'll probably get shot down on teslore
20:24 Mojo: yes
20:24 RottenDeadite: They are?
20:24 Varanu: oh really? I must have missed them.
20:24 RottenDeadite: Firework I mean?
20:24 transcrybyr: we actually did have a "was pelinal a robot" today
20:24 MK: There's a line in CvV about them, actually. It gets lost.
20:24 transcrybyr: it was ...interesting.
20:24 SemblioSanctii: still likes the whole Yoku sand-cannon idea, abhorrently guns-ish as it may be
20:24 OPG: :D
20:24 MK: Now Dwemer fireworks, but fireworks
20:24 RottenDeadite: Oh wait was that in Redguard?
20:24 MK: I saw it
20:25 OPG: Dude, I'll defend my sand cannons forever
20:25 OPG: I should actually write a snippet about them, because I don't know if the Marauders are getting into Luftahraan anymore...
20:25 MK: No, it's Cyrus talking about the fireworks they stole from Akavir
20:25 Varanu: validation!
20:25 Varanu: \o/
20:25 MK: Whoa nelly
20:25 RottenDeadite: hehe
20:25 MK: Dwemer fireworks
20:25 Varanu: :P
20:26 MK: That's a new thing. Regular fireworks? That's been there.
20:26 MK: I take most cues from Star Wars.
20:26 MK: Emperor dead? Fuck it, fireworks.
20:26 Varanu: still, fireworks at all is sort of validation, if I remember the content of that particular thread correctly
20:27 SemblioSanctii: Instead of crack fizzle pops on explosions, pure precise tones?
20:27 MK: Yes, and even...
20:27 RottenDeadite: lol
20:27 MK: ...well, this is gonna get all meta..
20:27 transcrybyr: firework orchestra would be the coolest. shit. ever.
20:27 Varanu: I think that thread had the screaming tonal kites in it, too.
20:27 OPG: I've always had the idea of Khajiiti fireworks in my head. No idea why.
20:27 MK: ...all of TES should be seen-- to me-- as a translation of the actual place.
20:27 RottenDeadite: Sure, sure.  That's a frequently tossed around idea in the various forums.
20:28 transcrybyr: i've always thought that, but a global translation is essentially no translation, in a sense.
20:28 MK: Are they REALLY fireworks? "No, asshole, they were this other thing but FIREWORKS translates exactly."
20:28 RottenDeadite: Aaaah :D
20:28 transcrybyr: Sky Lights/Tones?
20:28 transcrybyr: like from Wheel of Time?
20:28 MK: I have a picture of the "real" Cyrus
20:28 Mojo: Please share
20:28 MK: Don't... mention Robert Jordan in my presence.
20:29 transcrybyr: ohhhhhhhkayyyyyy
20:29 Varanu: lol
20:29 MK: lol
20:29 Dinmer: lololol
20:29 transcrybyr: dare i asky why?
20:29 MK: Especially at NuminatiCUZ. I'll flip a table.
20:29 transcrybyr: has secretly always wanted to see tables #flipped
20:29 MK: @t, yeah, cuz he's a hackfag
20:29 RottenDeadite: Someone hold Din back!
20:29 MK: apologies for that
20:30 Dinmer: Hahahahaha
20:30 Varanu: .../actual/ lol
20:30 RottenDeadite: It ain't worth it Din!
20:30 transcrybyr: twitches
20:30 Varanu: laugh-out-loud and I scared the cat off my lap
20:30 RottenDeadite: You ain't gotta go to jail for this shit!
20:30 MK: rather, he's more than likely one of the first fantasy authors you've read and still can't get rid of.
20:30 Varanu: Rotten, how come you defend MK when he says this shit but when it's me you just let me die
20:30 transcrybyr: twitches more
20:30 MK: I can understand and adore romantic memory. BUT NOT HIM.
20:31 OPG: I think those are spasms, myrr
20:31 RottenDeadite: Truth is, V, I don't much care for Jordan either.
20:31 RottenDeadite: But I'm also scard of Dinmer so... there's that.
20:31 RottenDeadite: ;)
20:31 MK: His writing is unlovely. That's all.
20:31 Dovahkiin: I still haven't read that series. I'm still getting through Tolkien :P
20:31 OPG: I haven't read it either.
20:31 MK: Morgan, you're fired.
20:31 RottenDeadite: hahaha
20:31 Mojo: haha
20:31 Dovahkiin: lol
20:32 Dovahkiin: I do admit, 170 pages into the Fellowship of the Ring and, FINALLY, something happened
20:32 Mojo: lol
20:32 Varanu: hey
20:32 MK: @Mojo, yeah, I have to find it
20:32 MK: the "real" Cyrus
20:32 Varanu: lots of things happen! like travelogues
20:32 Neradac: ._.
20:32 Mojo: yussss
20:32 MK: he's based on an RL pirate
20:33 RottenDeadite: "Real" how?
20:33 RottenDeadite: Oh!
20:33 Mojo: Redguard's one of my favorites, I fucking love Cyrus
20:33 Varanu: "and we went into the canyons but it was a dead end so we came back out of the canyons but then it was getting dark"
20:33 MK: fat African dude with one of those Old World wigs on
20:33 Neradac: Still need to get myself a copy
20:33 transcrybyr: i have to say while i liked tolkien, i wasn't as enamored of it as people said i should be
20:34 MK: That's because you are dumb, T
20:34 Cimbri: So what's OG TSR?
20:34 transcrybyr: thanks m8
20:34 Varanu: I think the thing is, it's brilliant, but it's not the way books are written now.
20:34 Cimbri: Woops wrong channel
20:34 Dovahkiin: Varanu: yeah
20:34 Varanu: Books now are more like movies, with dramatic cuts and things.
20:34 Varanu: *uninformed opinion*
20:34 MK: and text with what really happened at the Batlle of Hunding Bay
20:34 MK: And it
20:34 Mojo: .....
20:35 MK: it's just fucking ugly
20:35 Mojo: hahaha
20:35 MK: like, RL ugly. Understandable and historically perfect. Which is another word for ugly truth.
20:35 RottenDeadite: Oh yeah
20:35 RottenDeadite: Pirates are not nice people.
20:36 OPG: But they're so romantic!
20:36 Mojo: Oh my
20:36 MK: Also with the idea that, whoa hey, there-- okay, it's gonna get weird, should I keep going?
20:36 OPG: Yes
20:36 Varanu: go for it, man
20:36 Mojo: Uh, yes
20:36 SemblioSanctii: Yes.
20:36 MK: Back in the day
20:37 MK: When ARGs didn't have a name yet
20:37 MK: BethSoft was going to make a website
20:37 MK: or a subsite, whatever
20:38 MK: a lot of photomanips about where we "really" got the elder scrolls storiees
20:38 MK: By which I mean, we had three in the basement
20:38 MK: two perfectly preserved, one broken
20:38 MK: Our asses NEVER used that broken one
20:39 RottenDeadite: okay and where are they now?
20:39 RottenDeadite: And how do I get oen?
20:39 MK: It was a way of saying that, hey, guess what, we know all future games are going to have discrepencies
20:39 MK: But we got to "play" with the scrolls, and mull over the stories, and we "found" the Cyrus one
20:40 transcrybyr: did anyone go blind?
20:40 MK: And his name, in those scrolls was "Sura"
20:40 MK: okay, fuck it
20:40 RottenDeadite: Oh THAT's where that word came from, is that it?
20:40 MK: I'll save this for later if you're all gonna act like a peanut gallery
20:40 Varanu: lol
20:40 Mojo: We're reading along lol
20:40 RottenDeadite: :(
20:40 transcrybyr: shuts up
20:41 MK: Kinda, Chris. But it was more like, "Hmm, Beings of Tamriel, this one looks pretty neat. Can we change the name?"
20:41 MK: "NO"
20:41 RottenDeadite: :D
20:41 MK: "I mean, just for the modern audience. We'll figure out a way to put it in there and all."
20:42 MK: And then lots of back and forth deliberations with these beings about how we needed to change this story to make it a playable product.
20:42 MK: Until they finally just shrugged, as long as we put these things in: X, Y, Z.
20:42 RottenDeadite: Yeah I hear those VCs can be hard to please.
20:43 Mojo: heh
20:43 MK: But, yeah, the whole Battle of Hunding Bay and Stros M'Kai was this "whitewashed sold-out" version of the real HoonDing story.
20:43 MK: To "them"
20:44 MK: But, hey, they got enough info out of their own to deal with it.
20:44 MK: Which is really fucking long way of saying: all the games are translations.
20:45 MK: For example, there were no Dwemer on SM. "You're stretching the truth." "Um, yeah."
20:45 MK: "Sura never had a sister." "We know."
20:45 RottenDeadite: Oh!  Huh.
20:45 Varanu: Does Sura have any kind of meaning, in itself?
20:46 MK: "Why do you need him to be what he is not?" "Because... swordfighting." "Hnnnh. Fair."
20:46 Mojo: Chapters in the Quran are called Suras
20:46 RottenDeadite: Is there any market for... "historically accurate" RPGs?
20:46 Varanu: ahhh
20:46 MK: ding
20:46 Varanu: I was thinking, because Cyrus is king
20:46 Mojo: Sura-Hoon in the TvC
20:46 Varanu: I mean it means king
20:46 Varanu: in Greek
20:46 Varanu: shuts up
20:46 MK: no, you're all on the real reason for his "real" name
20:47 MK: @Chris, now that's a mod.
20:47 RottenDeadite: Oh boy.  Woah.
20:47 RottenDeadite: Huh.
20:48 MK: "We do not think it is safe to treat Amiel this way." "We need a bad guy." "You have one in the Sura." "Yeah, but."
20:48 MK: "HNNNH."
20:48 MK: anyway, that was fun times
20:48 MK: and wish we could more of that
20:48 Varanu: Rotten, I think the answer is probably yes. Given that there's a market for historically accurate /board games/.
20:48 MK: Wait
20:49 MK: Do you mean fiction-historical-fiction-recursive? Cuz that would be new.
20:49 RottenDeadite: A little.  Like a "historically accurate" TES game.
20:49 RottenDeadite: One that pulls no punches on realism.
20:49 RottenDeadite: But that's "Realism" in the TES sense.
20:49 RottenDeadite: A direct, super-accurate translation of the TES universe.
20:50 MK: Oh hey, that would be an awesome 3-day campaign for the debut of C0DA and the first NuminatiCUZ.
20:50 RottenDeadite: Huh.  Pick a system.  This needs dice.
20:50 RottenDeadite: None of your hippy dippy LARP stuff.
20:50 Dovahkiin: Pathfinder
20:50 MK: fuck LARPs
20:50 RottenDeadite: Preach it brother.
20:50 MK: Fuck Pathfinder
20:50 MK: too crunchy
20:50 RottenDeadite: (never played pathfinder)
20:50 Dovahkiin: The system, or the game?
20:50 Dovahkiin: Err, the worldbuilding
20:50 MK: (it's good, just not for this)
20:51 Dovahkiin: ah
20:51 MK: All of Pathfinder is good.
20:51 Varanu: you know what I would play the shit out of, actually, is a fiction-historical-fiction detective game.
20:51 Dovahkiin: I've liked it better than 4E so far
20:51 MK: I have just the idea, because-- whoops-- I'm designing it.
20:51 RottenDeadite: I'm a super Deadlands fan.  We could possibly make that system stretch.
20:51 RottenDeadite: Oh nm
20:51 MK: I'm friends with the creator of that system.
20:52 MK: I like it.
20:52 MK: But the campaign would be What Really Happened in the Blue Divide
20:52 RottenDeadite: Shane Hensley?
20:52 RottenDeadite: I met Shane Hensley once at DragonCon I think.
20:52 RottenDeadite: One of those Cons.
20:52 MK: If anyone dresses as a pirate, I flip the fucking table. (yes, Shane)
20:53 RottenDeadite: I tried to pitch him Deadlands in 1975.
20:53 RottenDeadite: But it turned out to just be Interstate '76 with magic.
20:53 Neradac: someone dress as fargoth
20:53 MK: How about this?
20:53 Cimbri: dresses as Fargoth
20:54 MK: 3-days, three one-shots, different systems
20:54 Cimbri: Find my durn ring
20:54 Dovahkiin: Ooh.
20:54 Toesock: Wait wut
20:54 RottenDeadite: Yeah that could be good.
20:54 Toesock: We're doing a con?
20:54 RottenDeadite: I like that idea.  Three seperate campaigns.
20:55 SemblioSanctii: hi Sock
20:55 Varanu: yeah, Toe, my own con ideas apparently come to naught
20:55 Toesock: Hi Semblio!
20:55 MK: not a con, Toe
20:55 Mojo: Hey sock
20:55 MK: a cuz
20:55 Toesock: Hey Mojo
20:55 Varanu: everyone will be at MK's conlikething, I will be sitting glumly drinking in a hotel somewhere
20:55 MK: get it straight
20:55 Toesock: A cuz?
20:55 Cimbri: If a con is happening, how likely is it to hit Europe?
20:55 MK: Naw you won't, V.
20:56 Neradac: where exactly? hopefully in a corporeally accessible venue?
20:56 MK: We'll fund you a ticket if your schedule permits.
20:56 MK: It will have to be in New Orleans.
20:56 Varanu: no, I'll be at yours just like everyone else :P
20:56 Mojo: Always wanted to visit
20:56 Neradac: hmm, must check flight costs
20:57 MK: Few rules
20:57 MK: NO FUCKING COSPLAY
20:57 minimyrr: such disappointment /s
20:57 Neradac: *cough*
20:57 MK: I flip a table into your face
20:57 RottenDeadite: Awwwww
20:57 Varanu: lol
20:57 Neradac: Do you really have that many tables?
20:57 MK: this is cuz
20:57 Varanu: I was gonna come dressed as Vivec though man, it was gonna be so great
20:57 MK: I'll summon tables with my left hand
20:57 Neradac: summoning failed
20:57 MK: So I got it
20:58 Toesock: Hmm, I'll need more details - my vacation time is devoted to Special Causes
20:58 Mojo: I gotta go afk for a bit, MK if you're gone when I get back, good talking and take care
20:58 Dovahkiin: cya Mojo
20:58 MK: 1st day: meet and greet and drink. First game is Real Redguard. Drunk.
20:58 RottenDeadite: MK has flipped a table with his left hand, but in his right was how it could have remained straightened.
20:58 Neradac: yes.
20:58 MK: Pirates are fuckwits. So: drunk.
20:58 Varanu: I suppose I can start drinking again for this.
20:58 Dovahkiin: And, yeah, I can probably just drive there, being in HOU and all
20:59 minimyrr: is underage
20:59 minimyrr: i can fly easy, i bet
20:59 MK: (I might be sober, too, V)
20:59 MK: no worries
20:59 MK: Everyone stop jumping ahead.
20:59 MK: Day 2.
20:59 MK: Wait, who here is on my FB?
20:59 Dovahkiin: I am
21:00 RottenDeadite: Me dos.
21:00 MK: If you're not, do it. But introduce yourself first, so I don't have to scroll through any shit.
21:00 Varanu: isn't
21:00 MK: password: CUZ
21:00 Neradac: Iam
21:00 MK: That's all I'll need.
21:00 Varanu: Actually. I still haven't posted on Facebook telling people I'm married.
21:00 Varanu: goes to do that
21:00 RottenDeadite: Pretty sure you need like four extra U's in there, MK ;D
21:01 MK: Day 2. We're haungover.
21:01 MK: lol
21:01 Neradac: errr wait, im on fb, not your fb
21:01 MK: And hungover means a horror game.
21:01 Neradac: yes.
21:01 RottenDeadite: kickass
21:02 MK: Good ideas for the scope?
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21:02 Varanu: ...
21:02 MK: TES horror. A known story.
21:02 RottenDeadite: Day 3...?
21:02 RottenDeadite: Oh Horror story.
21:02 Neradac: nono
21:02 MK: I'll GET TO IT, FUCKER.
21:02 Neradac: not amnesia: tes development retcon hell?
21:02 RottenDeadite: Sorry I got distracted.
21:02 RottenDeadite: I'm going to bed.
21:02 RottenDeadite: (lol)
21:02 RottenDeadite: Goodnight!
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21:02 MK: night
21:02 Varanu: night, Rotten :)
21:02 OPG: Visit to Quagmire
21:02 Varanu: aaaaah smokebombed again
21:03 MK: Not scary enough
21:03 SemblioSanctii: What Really Happened in the Middle Dawn: Oh God Imma Cyrodiilc Peasant This Sucks
21:03 MK: not for me
21:03 albatross: soon
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21:03 MK: @SS, that's more... commentary than horror.
21:03 OPG: Visit to the whale sized Sload King's flabbiest meat flab.
21:03 MK: OPG is onto something
21:04 Varanu: OPG that is disgusting
21:04 MK: Maybe not Thras, but like it
21:04 OPG: I hear that the Republic of Hahd is stuck down there
21:04 MK: aha
21:04 MK: Alessia
21:04 MK: The Real Ayleids
21:04 Varanu: in a Sload king's meat flab?
21:04 MK: no
21:04 Varanu: thank goodness
21:05 MK: what it really meant to be in the concentration camps
21:05 MK: as a human
21:05 MK: before Alessia and Pelinal and Mor
21:05 MK: Pigs for the Elves
21:06 MK: A fantasy slasher - run, fuckers
21:06 minimyrr: thats terrifying
21:06 MK: Yeah, and I won't hold back on just how alien the Ayleids were
21:06 Dovahkiin: O_O
21:06 Neradac: ayliens
21:06 SemblioSanctii: pairs well with hangovers' gut-wrenching
21:07 SemblioSanctii: a twofer, if you will
21:07 MK: Flesh-sculptures
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21:07 OPG: Ah, I love the flesh sculptor note.
21:07 MK: Okay, Day 3. We're all done with real and too-real.
21:07 OPG: I've stolen it, actually.
21:07 Dovahkiin: Yeah, Ayleids are bound to be interesting.
21:07 OPG: Wait a tick
21:07 Neradac: always wanted to learn more about them actually
21:07 Neradac: any unreleased texts on them?
21:07 MK: This is why I was asking about my FB
21:07 MK: Day 3 is Supers.
21:08 MK: In Tomrrowind.
21:08 OPG: Do you mean flesh sculptors as in reshaping Ayleids for strange high fashion, or for reshaping humans into grotesque sculptures?
21:08 Varanu: OPG: yes.
21:08 MK: OPG, I'm over that now.
21:08 OPG: I'd always assumed the former, but the way you put it just now made me think of the latter.
21:08 OPG: okay
21:08 MK: Heroes of a Metropolis-themed Mournhold.
21:08 MK: Capes and all.
21:08 Dovahkiin: MK: O_O
21:09 SemblioSanctii: City of Heroes: Vivec?
21:09 MK: Punching planets in the FACE.
21:09 MK: @SS: YES
21:09 MK: All the tropes of superhero fiction reworked for TES.
21:10 Neradac: .-.
21:10 MK: Pelinal as Iron Man with a Glitch.
21:11 OPG: The Gray Fox as Batman
21:11 MK: Mehrunes Dagon as a former supervillian turned Punisher.
21:11 SemblioSanctii: I have to say, that sounds incredibly fun.
21:11 MK: Yes, that.
21:11 MK: "I'm the Goddamn Gray Fox."
21:11 Dovahkiin: Super Excite
21:11 minimyrr: SWEAR TO ME
21:12 MK: swear what
21:12 MK: PS - Mardis Gras might make Spring fucking hard.
21:12 minimyrr: it's uh... quote?
21:12 minimyrr: panics
21:13 Cimbri: It's a batman reference. The swear to me thing
21:13 MK: But: Drunken pirate reenactment, horror game set in the alien terraformed jungle, supers in Tomorrowind.
21:13 Cimbri: has Myrrs back
21:13 MK: lol
21:13 minimyrr: thanks m8
21:13 MK: WHERE IS SHE
21:13 MK: I get it
21:13 minimyrr: (vanishes abruptly)
21:14 Cimbri: =D
21:14 MK: Each with a pnp system I'll choose
21:14 MK: In my mind, this is the funnest shit, like, ever
21:15 minimyrr: i'd enjoy it
21:15 minimyrr: that's not a glowing recommendation, but
21:15 minimyrr: hey
21:15 Neradac: a survival horror in black marsh might be fun too
21:15 minimyrr: >survival
21:15 minimyrr: >black marsh
21:15 MK: brb - I have a certain person on hold
21:15 minimyrr: yeah right
21:15 Dovahkiin: this could be hilarious
21:15 Dovahkiin: and awesome
21:16 OPG: You have to get through the northern spore jungle and find refuge in Stormhold.
21:17 Neradac: youd start in a shipwreck someway inland from the south
21:17 OPG: You are a raiding party of Dres slavers who have been betrayed, left waspless in the Argonian domain.
21:17 OPG: You started going north to get back to Morrowind, but after a few weeks you realized that the wizard you have with you is a fuckwit. You kill him and start going the other direction.
21:18 OPG: Now you're in deep 'gonia. Can you make it?!
21:18 Neradac: dark souls + amnesia?
21:18 Neradac: +other survival elements, hunger, disease, etc
21:18 OPG: Sure. Every single lifeform is dangerous. Watch out for those ferns, man.
21:19 Neradac: I wonder if there are boa-eels
21:22 OPG: If your gas mask breaks, you have to rip out the gills of an Argonian as a makeshift filter.
21:23 OPG: So...Dark Souls + Amnesia + Metro 2033
21:25 Cimbri: That sounds crazy scary
21:26 OPG: The unplayable game! If you survive one minute at a time, count yourself lucky. Learn to work that quicksave button.
21:27 OPG: I wonder how much a vial of Hist sap'd sell for.
21:28 SemblioSanctii: And how much you'd regeret it when you get caught.
21:29 Cimbri: Minigame: Torture experience. Live long enough to survive and escape or die fast enough to reload
21:29 Varanu: OPG, speaking of Hist Sap
21:30 Varanu: you remember those Tamrielic mixed drinks we were inventing?
21:30 Varanu: this is the venue for them
21:30 OPG: ?
21:30 minimyrr: btw
21:30 minimyrr: var
21:30 minimyrr: how's that story coming?
21:30 Varanu: Oh, were you not there? I thought you were there.
21:30 Varanu: I forgot about it, myrr
21:30 minimyrr: he was
21:30 minimyrr: GORTGROG
21:30 minimyrr: remember?
21:30 Varanu: I forget about lots of things
21:30 OPG: I was there when making the drinks. Y'mean the venue is Black Marsh?
21:30 Varanu: Sex-Death Shots
21:30 OPG: Death in the Desert
21:30 Varanu: No, I mean the venue is MK's con thing
21:30 OPG: Ah
21:31 SemblioSanctii: Shor's Breath (wasabi & vodka)
21:31 Varanu: pulls up the list
21:33 minimyrr: gort
21:33 minimyrr: grog
21:34 SemblioSanctii is now known as SemblioAbsentii
21:34 Varanu: I liked Warpwhiskey.
21:34 Varanu: And "Skooma".
21:35 minimyrr: oh, "skooma"
21:35 minimyrr: don't forget hammer&nail
21:36 SemblioAbsentii: Dreamsour
21:37 Varanu: Ok, votes. How many of you would /actually/ drink something called "Muatra's Milk"?
21:38 Neradac: I wouldnt drink it if it was white, and id probly be even more disturbed were it any other color
21:38 minimyrr: yes
21:38 Varanu: I think it'd probably be, like, a White Russian or something.
21:38 minimyrr: not even a question
21:39 OPG: [url="http://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1ooteu/akaviri_invasion_and_return_of_the_dwemer_a/"]http://www.reddit.co...f_the_dwemer_a/[/url]
21:40 minimyrr: answering as we speak
21:40 minimyrr: ugh
21:41 OPG: Next time the Akaviri invade, they should do it sci fi style.
21:41 Neradac: why would you...
21:41 Varanu: No, Western.
21:41 minimyrr: just to be clear
21:41 Varanu: They come in guns blazing.
21:41 minimyrr: Dwemer are the skin of Numidium right?
21:41 MK: (Din, we're already Friends, dummy)
21:41 minimyrr: that's the best answer we have?
21:41 MK: (WAIT FOR IT)
21:42 Varanu: thus answering the "guns in Tamriel guise???" thing as well
21:42 OPG: Naw, Western should be reserved for netchimen and Sword-Singers.
21:42 OPG: And Masser
21:42 Dinmer: wut
21:42 SemblioAbsentii is now known as SemblioSanctii
21:42 Varanu: I still also like the idea of Dunmer grenadiers. Just, like. The visual or something.
21:43 MK: Someone give me a summary, then I have something GRAND.
21:43 SemblioSanctii: Shooting the breeze on loretalk
21:43 SemblioSanctii: bad puns for drink names
21:43 SemblioSanctii: link to silly thread
21:43 Varanu: you mean excellent puns for drink names
21:44 minimyrr: we've been talking drinks
21:44 MK: Okay, guess what I just secured?
21:44 minimyrr: funding?
21:44 minimyrr: artists?
21:44 MK: better
21:45 minimyrr: executive control of TES:O lore direction
21:45 minimyrr: dreams big
21:45 MK: Anyone here that can't keep a secret?
21:45 MK: @Morgand, cull the chaff
21:45 MK: I MEAN IT
21:45 Rhobot has left IRC (Client closed connection)
21:46 Dovahkiin: The non-chaff is in #secunda
21:46 MK: so now others know how to get there?
21:46 SemblioSanctii: it's gone private
21:46 minimyrr: dovah's locking it down
21:47 MK: Anyone that is in there, you better NEVER MAKE ME FLIP A TABLE
21:47 SemblioSanctii: Clear.
21:48 MK: anyone here that isn't there?
21:48 MK: WAIT
21:48 Dovahkiin: Nope, it's a subset of here
21:48 MK: And don't fucking sulk
21:48 minimyrr: neradac, solitha, hollymarkie's logger, borastas, tc01
21:48 Neradac: ?
21:49 minimyrr: memospore but not secunda
21:49 Neradac: how do I join?
21:49 SemblioSanctii: nvm
21:49 Neradac: lo?
21:50 Neradac: plis?
21:50 minimyrr: ask dovah
21:50 Neradac: dovah?
21:50 minimyrr: top of the userlist
21:50 Neradac: uh
21:51 Neradac: whats the message command again?
21:51 minimyrr: spell out his name, it'll ping him
21:51 Neradac: Dovahkiin
21:53 Toesock: Not more of this lockout stuff :(
21:54 Dovahkiin: Toesock: invited
21:54 Dovahkiin: join #secunda
21:57 transcrybyr is now known as Alexander_Philip_Payne
21:58 SemblioSanctii is now known as RossBailey
21:58 OPG is now known as AndrewGrant
21:58 Neradac is now known as JustinEscobar
21:58 Dinmer is now known as JamesCraven
21:58 Mojo is now known as ChrisFranzen
21:58 Cimbri is now known as Mikkel_Sven_Christensen
21:58 Varanu is now known as JessieRoy
21:58 Toesock is now known as JennaBurjoski
22:20 Mikkel_Sven_Christensen has left IRC (Quit: Page closed)
22:20 JamesCraven is now known as Dinmer
22:20 Alexander_Philip_Payne is now known as transcrybyr
22:20 RossBailey is now known as SemblioSanctii
22:20 JustinEscobar is now known as neradac
22:20 AndrewGrant is now known as OPG
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22:20 SemblioSanctii: rolls his eyes
22:21 MK: Okay, so that's the plan for CUZ
22:21 neradac: fucks sake
22:21 SemblioSanctii: really? I mean, -really?-
22:21 SemblioSanctii: fuck dude come on
22:21 ChrisFranzen is now known as Mojo
22:21 Cimbri: That's hilarious
22:21 JessieRoy is now known as Varanu
22:21 MK: fuck off, losers lolol
22:21 Dovahkiin: lol
22:21 JennaBurjoski is now known as Toesock
22:21 SemblioSanctii: grumbles
22:21 transcrybyr: jackass
22:21 Varanu: :/
22:21 transcrybyr: <3
22:21 Mojo: heh
22:21 MK: look, I'm funding a con
22:21 MK: might as well con
22:21 transcrybyr: IT'S A CUZ
22:21 SemblioSanctii: Even so!
22:22 SemblioSanctii: Non-newtonian fluids aern't meant to be used like -that.-
22:22 neradac: swit
22:22 MK: everyone: get over it
22:22 Dovahkiin: fff
22:22 minimyrr has left IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds)
22:22 MK: AMA in 8 minutes, 30 minutes tops
22:22 SemblioSanctii: sighs
22:22 SemblioSanctii: All right.
22:22 Cimbri: fuck yeah!
22:22 Dovahkiin: Ok, we can do this.
22:23 Varanu: cool, that gives us 8 minutes to think of more awful drink names.
22:23 Varanu: :D
22:23 transcrybyr: quick, to the Dominion!
22:23 MK: get your Real Questions ready, and I promise not to troll. But stay polite.
22:23 SemblioSanctii: k
22:23 Dovahkiin: k
22:23 Mojo: Dovahkiin, were we supposed to leave Secunda?
22:23 minimyrr has joined (~HTACALAM@2430b3da.11813a15.2803ef39.342981b0X)
22:23 Arena has changed mode: +v minimyrr
22:23 transcrybyr: dovah, minimyrr needs back in secunda
22:23 Mojo: Me too
22:24 OPG: Psh, just use #masser
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22:24 Arena has changed mode: +v myrrlyn
22:24 transcrybyr: myrrlyn also needs secunda
22:24 Varanu: masser's better anyway
22:24 Varanu: all dem join-quit-join-quit's
22:24 SemblioSanctii: We can regroup there later.
22:24 Dovahkiin: CLEAR!
22:24 Varanu: O_O
22:24 Varanu: hits the deck
22:24 Dovahkiin: was just reassigning the bot...
22:24 Dovahkiin: Facebot
22:24 myrrlyn: i liked the personal touch though:(
22:25 myrrlyn: not too personal.
22:25 neradac: alright, so what are some of the more important questions to ask
22:25 Dovahkiin: what one, Project?
22:26 Dovahkiin: there, ProjectBot's assigned
22:26 Dovahkiin: I like Arena just for the name
22:26 MK: @Morgan, your sketch will be sent out in the morning
22:26 Dovahkiin: Awesome. Thanks much.
22:27 MK: 3 minutes before AM
22:27 MK: A
22:27 MK: cuz I'm drunkern fuck
22:28 MK: (no more secunda until it's clean of trollship)
22:28 neradac: definitely need to find out who built metal town
22:28 MK: 2
22:30 OPG: *pop*
22:30 Mojo: What is Tsaescence?
22:30 MK: (Justin, dummy, follow the rules. password was easier than full retard.)
22:30 neradac: >.>
22:30 MK: @Mojo, their version of high perception.
22:30 OPG: Why did Vivec+Nerevar visit A(l)tmora and not Aldmeris, if they're the Mannish/Merrish perspectives of proto Tamriel?
22:31 MK: Aldmeris is not a real thing. I thought that was obvious by now.
22:31 SemblioSanctii: Do the Thalmor, as of the time of Skyrim, posess the knowledge and means to manipluate Ur-Tower?
22:31 myrrlyn: ^THANK YOU
22:31 MK: @SS: Out of my pay rate. Have another.
22:31 Mojo: What is the connection between Pelinal and Zurin?
22:32 myrrlyn: Is Ceporah Tower a Mythic Tower, and if so, what is its Stone?
22:32 neradac: Who or what is the void ghost?
22:32 MK: one at a time.
22:32 Varanu: waits
22:32 myrrlyn: sorry
22:32 SemblioSanctii:  Are the survivors of the Parliament of Craters still extant?
22:32 OPG: (I thought that Atmora was just as non-extant as Aldmeris, due to the heavy parallels.)
22:32 OPG: (Guess not.)
22:32 MK: Never heard of that random-ass Tower.
22:32 Mojo: Artaeum
22:32 myrrlyn: It's on Artaeum
22:33 MK: No shit, myr.
22:33 MK: "I've never heard of that random-ass Tower."
22:33 MK: Okay. Start over.
22:33 myrrlyn: that, to me, implies you don't recognize the name. my apologies.
22:33 myrrlyn: What is Exact-Egg-Cracking?
22:33 MK: From
22:33 MK: neredac
22:34 Dovahkiin: Is there a relationship between Nhad-Hatta and Nu-Hatta?
22:34 Dovahkiin: oops
22:34 Dovahkiin: crap, didn't mean to enter that
22:34 neradac: Who or what is the void ghost?
22:34 MK: @Neradac, good question. I'll answer that after.
22:34 neradac: okai
22:34 Mojo: What is the connection between Pelinal and Zurin?
22:35 MK: @SS: Yes.
22:35 SemblioSanctii: k, ty
22:35 MK: @Mojo, nothing but the Throne.
22:36 myrrlyn: What did the Void Nights look like from Secunda?
22:36 Mojo: Thanks
22:36 MK: @Dova, Really?
22:36 MK: YO HEY CIMBRI
22:36 Dovahkiin: What is the relationship*
22:36 Cimbri: Yo hey
22:37 Cimbri: Uh...
22:37 MK: You've been properly nice
22:37 MK: You get three
22:37 MK: and don't let them bully you
22:37 Cimbri: Holy moly
22:37 Cimbri: I don't even know which questions would be apropriate
22:38 MK: @myr, I ain't gonna help with that mod yet
22:38 myrrlyn: it's an actual question.
22:38 myrrlyn: not mod related. but okay.
22:38 MK: @Morgan, no clue..?
22:38 neradac: What exactly happens to pieces of the moon when, during a phase, they turn transparent?
22:38 Cimbri: How does one perceive the "untimes" of "previous" kalpas? Through an artificial meta-time or...?
22:38 Dovahkiin: Hmm.
22:39 Cimbri: one best*
22:39 MK: Short answer: always through the dreamsleeve
22:39 MK: oh wait
22:39 MK: here's an answer
22:39 MK: The dreamsleever? Unless it's obscure and on a post somewhere, should now be obvious.
22:39 MK: Its source, I mean.
22:40 myrrlyn: Neradac: game mechanic answer; in *Skyrim*, the moons go black, but not transparent. Question stands.
22:40 MK: @Neredac: mistranslation.
22:40 neradac: daw
22:40 MK: no daw
22:40 MK: They are legion now
22:40 MK: It was going to happen at one time. Still will.
22:41 MK: go
22:41 transcrybyr: Who came first, Tamriel-Hist or Um-Hist?
22:41 Cimbri: What did the um-hist do in Vile's realm? Are there pieces of the 12 worlds scattered in oblivion or how did they get there?
22:41 MK: I dunno no fucking um-hist.
22:41 Mojo: Will we see Nu-Hatta again?
22:41 MK: I'm not an intellilective, people. Don't assume I know all the terms.
22:42 SemblioSanctii: Um-hist meaning the Hist on Umbriel in the Keyes novels.
22:42 MK: @Mojo: I fduty calls, by which I mean I have no plans for him.
22:42 Cimbri: Okay. Are Akavir and Atmora actual continents and should perceived as such, or are they rather mirror images of Nirn? (and is Nirn finite or infinite like the celestial bodies of Mundus?)
22:42 MK: @SS: I like Keyes for his commitment, but I've never read them because his writing is unlovely.
22:43 SemblioSanctii: Fair.
22:43 MK: @Cimbri: The only continents that are not real... that would be Aldmeris. The rest of them might have shared Pangaea thing, but only one is a memory.
22:44 MK: a fabricated memory.
22:44 Cimbri: Thank you so much for that answer
22:44 MK: Think on Aldmeris and why so many of the Thalmor think the way they do.
22:44 OPG: What was Molag Bal's name during the Dreugh kalpa?
22:44 MK: Molag Bal
22:45 MK: They endure
22:45 transcrybyr: What is the Exact-Egg-Cracking? (Apologies if answered when I asked earlier, but xeno definitely wants me to get this one)
22:45 MK: The Hist version of the New Man. Rather, the way they would do it.
22:45 Dovahkiin: O_O
22:45 MK: They wait long.
22:46 MK: And not to be an Ent
22:46 SemblioSanctii: Not as profound as some of these, but a couple days ago in an answer you referred to a "Set" in ref. to Thalmor worship. Maybe I'm failing at google, but I can't find the term's meanning. Is that the early hero-gods, like Auri-El, Phynaster, etc.?
22:46 MK: But they are not Us and never think that way. They will be addressed at some point. INFER.
22:46 SemblioSanctii: (sorry)
22:46 neradac: he said alinor was the oldest name of the set I think
22:46 MK: @SS: Just a name I like better than gay-ass Summerset.
22:47 SemblioSanctii: Ah.
22:47 Dinmer: lol
22:47 myrrlyn: How did the Mane die?
22:47 neradac: oh
22:47 MK: @myr, assassin from the Thalmor
22:47 myrrlyn: thanks, just wanted to clear that up
22:47 Mojo: Is there a date for release on Numinatus?
22:47 transcrybyr: Is there a third gender of Dragon (besides Jill and Drake)?
22:47 MK: @Mojo: not really. But when we get off our asses.
22:47 Cimbri: How do you "choose" a new Mane?
22:48 MK: @T: Not in the way you mean? Here's something...
22:48 MK: ...the original Skyrim spitballs for dragons?
22:48 MK: "Organic Time Machines"
22:48 MK: That still applies to me.
22:49 myrrlyn: Nice. Thanks.
22:49 MK: "genders" is just a designation of purpose
22:49 myrrlyn: Yes.
22:50 myrrlyn: I was just curious if there was a third major group.
22:50 MK: Though I will say that ain't no one got nothing on the Jills.
22:50 MK: Trees vs. Dragons -  see any dudesmen fighting there>
22:50 neradac: Who/what is the mane (and by extension the third moon) exactly?
22:50 MK: ?
22:50 Cimbri: What are the differences between gray, black, white and golden souls?
22:51 MK: @Cimbri: No idea. Sorry.
22:51 transcrybyr: Do you know anything about the political structure of the An-Xileel?
22:51 MK: Stop asking about them novels.
22:51 myrrlyn: (sorry, had requests)
22:52 MK: @The Mane: we'll do it after.
22:52 MK: Let other people talk.
22:52 Dovahkiin: In musical terms, would you say that the Void is subgradiated noise, pure silence, or something else entirely?
22:52 MK: (Where the fuck are you taking requests from?)
22:52 MK: I would say its deafness.
22:52 MK: *it's
22:52 myrrlyn: (Other IRC folks who can't make it here because of timezones)
22:53 MK: Which is why people that travel there get sensorily unraveled.
22:53 Dovahkiin: Right, sensory deprivation
22:53 MK: Wait: better
22:53 Varanu: Not really, Dovah
22:53 MK: Try not to imagine a world without music
22:53 MK: Better
22:54 transcrybyr: Could the Towers be construed as Tuning Forks, given your music statement yesterday?
22:54 Cimbri: (5:53 in morning here in Denmark. Worth it though.)
22:54 MK: yes, maybe
22:54 myrrlyn: Do you have any updates on my Dwemer question re: Orrery/Lesson planet difference?
22:54 MK: more like maestros
22:54 Dovahkiin: Ahhhh
22:55 myrrlyn: hmmmm
22:55 Dovahkiin: I get it. Opposite of what I was thinking.
22:55 Dovahkiin: That was my counterargument to my argument, myrrlyn
22:55 MK: @myr, no, make a thread. I'll be there eventually.
22:55 MK: 5
22:55 myrrlyn: aight
22:55 myrrlyn: thanks, btw.
22:56 Dovahkiin: [i.e. they don't resonate with noise from the Void, they resonate on their own accord]
22:56 MK: really, we're at 4, and it's this slow?
22:56 SemblioSanctii: Are there any ancient Aleissan Rebellion-era heroes of note who didn't make it into the Song of Pelinal?
22:56 MK: FUCK YES
22:56 SemblioSanctii: Cool beans.
22:56 MK: (nigga prolly ate most of 'em)
22:56 MK: "ate"
22:57 Dovahkiin: Do you have a ballpark number for how many Towers we don't know about currently?
22:57 Varanu: air quotes always derail my mind into the gutter :/
22:57 MK: @Morgan, not really, but only because they are not a concern of mine
22:57 MK: I know of one that isn't listed
22:58 MK: it will be addressed. INFER.
22:58 transcrybyr: How does the Sharmat's line I AM OLDER THAN MUSIC tie in with the concept of Music as a fundamental element of the world?
22:58 Dovahkiin: Doom Drum?
22:58 SemblioSanctii: Does Meridia's interest in the Mundus have to do with the usual Daedric interest in the Arena, or more in being the only way a wayward solar daughter can still connect with anything that Magnus was ever associated with?
22:59 MK: Nice one. He's ego-trippin' and balls-trippin' at the same time. Remember, that quote is from the Sermons. Consider the source.
22:59 Mojo: What happened to the Heart of Lorkhan?
22:59 neradac: ^
22:59 myrrlyn: ^^
22:59 MK: @SS: Wayward daughter.
22:59 SemblioSanctii: Cool.
22:59 MK: More after the break.
23:00 MK: @Heart of Lorkhan: it will be addressed. INFER.
23:00 Mojo: .... yessss
23:00 Varanu: hah
23:00 Mojo: Thank you
23:00 MK: stop
23:00 MK: it is 11
23:00 myrrlyn: Thanks much.
23:00 MK: I think we have 3 questions to answer in non-type fast fashion.
23:00 MK: I can do two.
23:00 MK: convene
23:01 neradac: I think Id like to see void ghost answered
23:01 MK: (I want to answer the wayward daughter one)
23:01 MK: (void ghost is good, too)
23:01 Dovahkiin: What was the third?
23:01 myrrlyn: Mane
23:01 myrrlyn: Flipps wants Mane info, but he's not here. Oh well.
23:02 Dovahkiin: Yeah, go with Void Ghost and Daughter.
23:02 SemblioSanctii: ^
23:02 neradac: agrood
23:02 MK: which first?
23:02 MK: yeah, fuck the Mane
23:02 myrrlyn: etiher?
23:02 SemblioSanctii: either/or
23:03 MK: Void Ghost
23:03 MK: He never really makes sense, does he?
23:03 MK: I mean, he shows up and says "yo, fucker, I ain't here"
23:04 MK: Who do you think is still filling in the margins?
23:04 MK: He ran
23:04 MK: Ran from a book he hadn't finished
23:04 MK: (sorry, writing to Sunshine music)
23:05 MK: And he feels bad for that
23:05 MK: Because they keep seeing him in the empty parts
23:05 MK: THAT is when he shows up
23:05 MK: He's not an editor
23:06 Mojo: woh
23:06 MK: He's the writer that bounced and left notes behind
23:06 MK: And when you can't follow the map, he has to Right Reach backwards to help you
23:06 neradac: wait..
23:07 minimyrr is now known as mobimyrr
23:07 MK: And every time, you've either spooked him, or surprised him, or figure out a hole
23:07 mobimyrr is now known as minimyrr
23:07 MK: *figured
23:07 MK: To make it short, he's the one that failed
23:07 MK: so you might not
23:07 MK: But his ghost?
23:07 MK: That's his doom.
23:08 MK: A ghost's work is never done.
23:08 MK: That's the fucking defintion of ghost.
23:08 MK: Until the task is accomplished.
23:08 MK: wait.
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23:08 neradac: nice, thanks for that
23:08 MK: no one say a word-- guh
23:09 MK: okay, so
23:09 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/6YQNOw0GPz0[/media]
23:10 MK: Not until the song sounds like this
23:10 MK: The best and worst part of him
23:10 MK: Heart of Lorkhan? He's tied to here no matter if you banished it or not.
23:11 MK: Every night you look at him. Shattered. You make a mod on his body.
23:11 Mojo: Woww
23:11 MK: Of course he's going to help you until you make the jump he can't/won't do on his own.
23:12 MK: That's the Void Ghost.
23:12 Dovahkiin: Wow.
23:12 SemblioSanctii: Holy damn.
23:12 MK: It will be addressed. There is one that will do it.
23:12 MK: WRONG
23:13 MK: There is a we that will do it. Takes more than one.
23:13 MK: Stuff that up your Amaranth.
23:13 MK: Next.
23:13 neradac: .-.
23:13 mobimyrr: Um, meridia
23:13 MK: lol
23:13 MK: What, I should have led with that one?
23:14 SemblioSanctii: lol
23:14 Dovahkiin: hahaha
23:14 MK: She's just as important?
23:14 MK: Okay, everyone move to Sunshine again. Or not.
23:14 Dovahkiin: Sunshine!
23:14 Varanu: Sunshine?
23:14 MK: yes
23:14 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PahaUejWD8[/media]
23:14 SemblioSanctii: or whatever version the storyteller prefers
23:15 Dovahkiin: We going Adagio?
23:15 MK: let's all do the same one
23:15 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/NQXVzg2PiZw[/media]
23:15 MK: tell me when to go
23:15 mobimyrr: Can't click. Will imagine.
23:15 Mojo: I'm ready
23:15 MK: actually, that one sucks
23:15 MK: lol
23:15 Dovahkiin: Bombastic version
23:15 Varanu: Oh look, fifteen second advertisement.
23:15 Mojo: hehe
23:15 SemblioSanctii: needs a countdown, like old memo days
23:15 MK: find me the good one
23:16 MK: OLD MEMO DAYS
23:16 neradac: Engagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI dis?
23:16 SemblioSanctii: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBk3ZmeNG_w[/media] ?
23:16 Dovahkiin: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/media]
23:16 MK: THESE ARE THE MEMO DAYS
23:16 SemblioSanctii: heh, fair 'nuff
23:16 MK: [media=]http://youtu.be/hYMseN4XzxI[/media]
23:16 OPG: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/media]
23:16 MK: yeah, go bombastic or go home
23:16 Dovahkiin: I have the Bombastic version in iTunes :P
23:16 MK: count us down
23:16 SemblioSanctii: 3
23:16 SemblioSanctii: Two
23:16 SemblioSanctii: Uno
23:16 SemblioSanctii: GO
23:17 MK: What no one has ever seen
23:17 MK: Is the connection between Meridia and Kyne
23:17 MK: Let that sink in
23:17 MK: What do they-- when connected-- both govern?
23:18 MK: Think about KotN
23:18 MK: One made the Knight, one opposed the Knight
23:18 MK: One rained forever because he was gone
23:19 MK: One said, no I will wait until he comes back
23:19 MK: GONNA GO FULL FAG
23:19 MK: Quit mixing up gods and demons
23:19 MK: they are just emotions
23:20 MK: in magic, those are real feels
23:20 MK: Meridia is the color of his return
23:20 MK: when curtained by rain
23:21 MK: That blink in your eye when the postcard isn't answered?
23:21 MK: That weird huff in your chest when you're waiting for THAT text?
23:21 MK: That whole night you wait and force sleep so the morning comes?
23:22 MK: And you hear rain on the window pane and figure, fine, they weren't listening.
23:22 MK: Today isn't the day?
23:22 MK: WRONG
23:22 MK: That's the day when you never knew you were at your best
23:22 MK: You surrendered
23:23 MK: You walked about, called a cab, or turned on the monitor to read the net, or walked the dog because at least the dog always listens
23:23 MK: Took a shower, got MORE shit in your eye
23:24 MK: Walked to the corner store to get saline because you didn't last night and you really have to put your contacts in
23:24 MK: worse
23:24 MK: you're a parent now
23:24 MK: with cataracts
23:24 MK: and the only way your children easily talk to you is a phone screen
23:24 MK: which you can
23:24 MK: only
23:24 MK: make
23:25 MK: out
23:25 MK: it color
23:25 MK: A thing you can not quite perceive anymore
23:25 MK: So your other sense compensate for it
23:25 MK: Can't see right?
23:25 MK: Ears will for you
23:26 MK: Can't hear right?
23:26 MK: Eyes will for you
23:26 MK: Can you see the admixture of color and sound yet?
23:26 MK: You sense it
23:26 MK: If even you can only taste the one that's gone
23:27 MK: That's your only Memory and touchstone
23:27 MK: Otherwise, why would you wait?
23:27 MK: Hope has a color and a sound and a taste and a touch and 11 more sense you don't know you have yet
23:27 MK: And this is why you worship them
23:28 MK: The gods and demons beyond your control
23:28 MK: They went through it before you
23:28 MK: They are your ancestors, and this is in the blood
23:28 MK: They are your Aedra/Daedra
23:29 MK: And sometimes their names get mixed up
23:29 MK: Still the same: they show you the path. Even as an orphaned star, you will get HOME again.
23:29 MK: You always have your birthsign.
23:30 MK: Rejoin with it.
23:30 Mojo: hooly...
23:30 MK: That's your family. The star signs of the magic that rules this world.
23:30 MK: They know the way. All you have to do is look, hear, touch, taste or feel for their presence.
23:31 MK: It's in their job description.
23:31 MK: Done.
23:31 Mojo: Speechless
23:31 Dovahkiin: claps
23:31 mobimyrr: ...wow
23:31 SemblioSanctii: Beautiful, really.
23:32 MK: Okay, I'm not done and I'll render it for you in RL.
23:32 MK: Not Tamriel RL but mine.
23:32 MK: Give me a second. And have sunshine on repeat.
23:33 Dovahkiin: [url="http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=hYMseN4XzxI"]http://www.listenonr.../?v=hYMseN4XzxI[/url]
23:33 MK: Once upon a time
23:34 MK: There was a void ghost and a wayward daughter
23:34 MK: And they met during the dawn but it wasn't time yet
23:34 MK: They sensed each other and knew each others' work
23:34 _stille_: hey guys just woke up wth happened
23:35 MK: And they had a common interest
23:35 Mojo: shh
23:35 MK: Life on the dirt they walked on
23:35 MK: He was the void ghost, so figured he has said enough
23:35 MK: she was the wayward daughter and knew more colors than him
23:36 MK: FLASHFORWARD
23:36 MK: They saved enough money, by ways and means and bullshit and dreams
23:36 MK: to find a way into to fly towards one and the other
23:37 MK: And secured a House That Was Safe Now
23:37 MK: By which I mean a MicroTel
23:37 MK: Sixty square feet of bed and shit television and a televison
23:37 MK: she brought her color, he brought his voice
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23:38 MK: And that first night they mixed both
23:39 MK: and it was awkward, because this was new
23:39 MK: And went to bed happy in weird ways
23:39 MK: They had a few days in this Provisional House
23:40 MK: A space outside of gods and demons and the rules of the world
23:40 MK: When the sun was up, it wasn't a thing of glory
23:40 MK: those motherfuckers just wanted to eat
23:40 MK: it reminded them that the earth was there
23:41 MK: They ate, and then... that's the first time they really talked face to face
23:41 MK: He told her all the things that he wasn't supposed to, and she told him it was fine because her face looked just like THIS
23:42 MK: And then they knew, well, fuck then let's write it all down and draw it all and make sure it's full of tears and color
23:42 MK: And what those two do together when mixed
23:42 MK: Because they would find each other again
23:43 MK: they would con and steal and study and finish and live in a park with a goddamn blanket and a laptop in a backpack
23:43 MK: and look for wifi to keep in touch because that time in the MicroTel might not have been real
23:44 MK: it might have just been a trick
23:44 MK: but no
23:44 MK: every chance they got
23:44 MK: every interview that got turned down
23:44 MK: every time between classes
23:44 MK: every time they had to get awkward with the other spirits around
23:44 MK: they made time
23:45 MK: And now they live together
23:45 MK: And every night now?
23:45 MK: They are thankful and greet every morning with color and words
23:45 MK: And THAT is why everyone should do this
23:46 MK: I want to say a rainbow
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23:46 MK: but that is already in your head
23:46 MK: look up, it's jumping out
23:46 MK: walk on it
23:46 MK: if it's night
23:46 MK: wait until the morning
23:46 MK: just walk on it
23:47 MK: walk on it until it walks like you
23:47 MK: by which mean it's there every morning when she finally decides to open her eyes
23:47 MK: DONE
23:47 Mojo: *STANDING OVATION*
23:47 Varanu: :)
23:47 Dovahkiin: tips a glass
23:48 SemblioSanctii: :)
23:48 SemblioSanctii: indeed
23:48 myrrlyn: sheds a single manly tear
23:48 _stille_: furiously reads logs to see what she's slept through
23:48 Dovahkiin: [Except that, in this case, it's a can of Red Bull]
23:48 neradac: ill drink for us both dovah
23:48 Dovahkiin: Amazing.
23:48 neradac: cheers
23:48 MK: (Okay, maybe Meridia was the best one to end on, after all. I told you guys I had stuff to say about her.)
23:48 Dovahkiin: :D
23:48 MK: :)
23:49 SemblioSanctii: I'll say.
23:49 Mojo: :D
23:49 Mojo: That was wonderful to read before bed
23:49 Mojo: Thanks MK
23:49 Mojo: Have a good night everyone
23:49 SemblioSanctii: night mojo
23:49 Dovahkiin: Amazing. Have a good night, Mojo.
23:49 myrrlyn: Goodnight.
23:50 Varanu: night, Mojo
23:50 Mojo is now known as Mojo_Tracker
23:50 MK: night
23:51 Varanu: ...my husband's gone to sleep.
23:51 Cimbri: I'll open a ruby ale to that.
23:51 Varanu: I probably should too.
23:51 Cimbri: Night Var.
23:51 SemblioSanctii: cya Var
23:51 Varanu: ty MK, was pretty :)
23:51 Dovahkiin: Night Varanu!
23:51 MK: All right, guys, it's time for me to sleep, too. Go cuddle your husband, V. You've run around here long enough for the night.
23:51 Varanu is now known as Varanu_afk
23:51 neradac: good night
23:51 Varanu_afk: hah
23:51 Varanu_afk: will do
23:51 SemblioSanctii: Heh.
23:51 _stille_: night MK
23:51 Dovahkiin: Thanks MK.
23:52 Dovahkiin: That was awesome.
23:52 SemblioSanctii: Farewell, then.
23:52 SemblioSanctii: Much appreciated.

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http://www.reddit.co...sk_me_anything/

MK répond à toutes vos questions ici. Ca dure encore 40 minutes.

[Jacob Bronsky]

numinit dit :

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Ah, oui, et on commente tout ça en direct ici

http://irc.lc/irchighway/memospore2

[Sifraël]

Et, ce qui s'est dit dans la conversation ci-dessus n'est jamais sorti. Et, pourtant, (si on ignore le troll caramel), il y a quand même eu un truc intéressant, avec MK qui a répondu à une question en plus, sur Mankar. Mais, même si ce n'est pas forcément dans l'idée du memospore de tout sortir, je vais quand même poster ce qui s'est dit.

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[20:34] ==Sifrael [webchat@1c3781d3.297f4433.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #memospore2
[20:34] <+thawks> HAHAHA OH MY GOD
[20:34] ==Hollymarkie [~IceChat7@22cbf9e3.141bd0a1.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #memospore2
[20:34] <+myrr-scryb> "I think it's canon from someplace I'm too lazy to look up"
[20:34] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Hollymarkie] by Arena
[20:34] <+myrr-scryb> meaning
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[20:34] <!Dovahkiin> http://i.imgur.com/CsbgfXq.jpg
[20:34] <+thawks> this guy is literally how I always envisioned Schick back when we were all hatan'
[20:34] <+myrr-scryb> "I am pulling this from so far up my ass it is medically usable for diagnosis"
[20:34] <+thawks> "I am undeniably the Godhead... it is a metaphysical truth, you see."
[20:35] <+thawks> "Well...think about it...elves are proud creatures. What do you do with a proud creature when you bend it to your will? You strip it of its prideful features and make it uniform...prisons, the military in basic training, hell...private schools even! You take something, break it down, and remake it to suit you...it stands to reason that Dagon reshaped them in such a way that removed their prized features in an effort to reunify th
[20:35] <+thawks> wat
[20:36] <+thawks> >it stands to reason
[20:36] <+thawks> no no it does not
[20:36] <+myrr-scryb> what is this
[20:36] <+myrr-scryb> i can't even
[20:37] <+thawks> Yeah I quit. I'll just leave the Godhead alone from now on.
[20:37] <+thawks> It's more sad than funny at this point.
[20:37] <+thawks> Okay, 23 mins til AMA. think thawks think
[20:38] <!Dovahkiin> My AMA question is loaded and in the chamber
[20:38] <solthas> I will ask nothing.
[20:39] <+Neradac> wait
[20:39] <+Neradac> only 1 question per person?
[20:39] <+thawks> Not that I know of?
[20:39] <+Neradac> whew
[20:39] <+Thrice-Crooked> i have no good questions
[20:39] <+thawks> ^
[20:40] <+Thrice-Crooked> and thus this ordeal upsets me
[20:40] <+thawks> Right? When is he when we have all of the questions!
[20:40] <+Neradac> look into marukhati era stuff
[20:40] <+thawks> ...where is he*
[20:40] <+Neradac> when is fine
[20:40] <+thawks> When is he when is not fine
[20:41] <+Neradac> twas a time travelling joke
[20:41] <+thawks> Oh
[20:41] <+thawks> I thought we were equally inept for a while
[20:42] <solthas> Well, there was that question about the mane from the logs that was never answered.
[20:42] <+Neradac> hes not too keen on kitties
[20:42] <+myrr-scryb> asking it for #flipps
[20:42] <+thawks> >you guys have your own established canon/events/vocabulary even...and I would contend that outside your subreddit, they don't apply.>
[20:43] <+thawks> sigh
[20:43] <+thawks> sorry I'll stop
[20:43] <+myrr-scryb> yeah, i just couldn't take that
[20:44] <oblivious> where is that from?
[20:44] <solthas> Yeah, I realised that Neradac. Khajiits, Orcs, Argonians...
[20:44] <+thawks> http://www.reddit.com/user/catoniko13
[20:44] <solthas> *plural singular?
[20:44] <+thawks> The Dwemer = Dremora guy
[20:44] <oblivious> oh, the r/fantheories thread
[20:44] <+thawks> yeah
[20:45] <oblivious> I kept looking at the r/teslore thread wondering if posts were being deleted or something
[20:45] <+thawks> "If you won't accept my theory, I say your LORE is FALSE!"
[20:45] <+Neradac> meth. those who cook it can reshape the land
[20:45] <+Neradac> dafuq stl
[20:45] <+thawks> hahahahaha lol
[20:45] <+Neradac> breaking balmora
[20:45] <+Neradac> gad damn
[20:45] <solthas> Oh! I've got a good question. Which two races would make the prettiest babies together?
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[20:46] <+thawks> breton + bosmer werewolves
[20:46] <+Thrice-Crooked> this game is so full of shit
[20:46] <+thawks> obviously
[20:46] <+Thrice-Crooked> like i get its supposed to be weird and creepy
[20:46] <+myrr-scryb>
[20:46] <+Thrice-Crooked> but the writing is just realy realy bad
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[20:49] <+thawks> ooooh I haef question
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[20:49] <+thawks> see you in a few mintues
[20:49] <+thawks> mintys
[20:49] * myrr-scryb spams F5
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[20:50] <+Hollymarkie> my internet isn't fast enough to spam f5
[20:50] <+Hollymarkie> and hello memospore2339
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[20:50] <lilrhys> Guys, before I waste a question on the AMA
[20:50] <+Hollymarkie> by frenchie
[20:50] <+Mojo> Hey Trexalfa and Holly
[20:50] <+Hollymarkie> bye*
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[20:50] <lilrhys> What is the difference between Mnemoli and Magne-Ge
[20:51] <+Hollymarkie> hey mojo and goldrinar
[20:51] <+Mojo> Mnemoli are the collectors of Mundus' music during the Dragon Breaks
[20:51] <Goldrinar> Hi everybody
[20:51] <+Mojo> the Magne-Ge just chill up in Aetherius. Lazy pricks
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[20:51] <lilrhys> For some reason I thought they were the same
[20:51] <+Mojo> Kind of the frog/toad situation
[20:52] <+myrr-scryb> mnemoli are a subset of magne-ge
[20:52] <+Mojo> ^
[20:52] <lilrhys> Have you got logs for that?
[20:52] <+Mojo> Magne-ge is the pantheon, mnemoli is just a subset
[20:52] <+Mojo> Myrr has them on his subreddit I believe, lemme check
[20:52] <HermitThrush> ask about heaven and hell
[20:52] <+myrr-scryb> try the Magne-Ge Pantheon piece
[20:53] <+myrr-scryb> i'll check for any more references to mnemoli
[20:53] <+Neradac> mnemoli are also the guardians of the scroll iirc
[20:53] <+Neradac> scrolls
[20:53] <+thawks> hello Goldrinar
[20:53] <+Mojo> Yep
[20:53] <+Mojo> Elder Scrolls- Sheet Music?
[20:53] <+thawks> keepers and possibly also writers
[20:53] <+Hollymarkie> I saw the Mnemoli as the notes of the sheet music that is the scrolls
[20:54] <+Hollymarkie> the 'keepers' of the music
[20:54] <+thawks> more like Sheet [NUMINIT]
[20:54] <+thawks> but yes
[20:54] <+Mojo> lol
[20:54] <+thawks> they come down to record the songs of Aurbis
[20:54] <Goldrinar> Hi Thawks
[20:54] <+myrr-scryb> MK: The Mnemoli?
[20:54] <+myrr-scryb> MK: They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls.
[20:54] <+Neradac> damnit whens it starting
[20:54] <+Hollymarkie> don't start that shit myrr. not again
[20:54] <+thawks> 6 mins
[20:54] <+thawks> hahaha
[20:54] <+Mojo> 6 minutes
[20:54] <oblivious> strictly speaking couldn't there be aetherial beings who were never involved in mundus until after magnus left, but who now observe it?
[20:55] <+Mojo> Unless he's late, which wouldn't be surprising
[20:55] <oblivious> ie mnemoli who are not magne-ge
[20:55] <+myrr-scryb> what'd i do?
[20:55] <+Neradac> oh yeah
[20:55] <+Neradac> if someone wants
[20:55] <+Neradac> baan dar
[20:55] <+Neradac> wat r
[20:55] <solthas> So the Void Nights were just two new moons, locked in that phase, as it were. I'm so bad at this.
[20:55] <+Hollymarkie> Nothing, just with that fourth wall breaking stuff
[20:55] <+Hollymarkie> gets tiresome after a while
[20:55] <+thawks> oooh Ban Daar
[20:55] <+myrr-scryb> i'm puzzled again
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[20:56] <OT> FUCK I MADE IT BACK IN TIME
[20:56] <OT> Hello everyone.
[20:56] <+Mojo> Hey OT
[20:56] <+Hollymarkie> hey OT
[20:56] <lilrhys> Hi
[20:56] <+Mojo> Pretty bland nick today
[20:56] <+thawks> Hi OT
[20:56] <+Hollymarkie> and Trexalfa
[20:56] <OT> Okay, I think all four mods are online for the AMA?
[20:56] <solthas> hopefully
[20:56] <lilrhys> My body is ready
[20:56] <solthas> I'll just observe this one, as I'm sure many will.
[20:56] <OT> But holy shit, there are more than 50 questions in the thread.
[20:57] <+thawks> I FORGOT MY QUESTION
[20:57] <+thawks> NOOOO
[20:57] <oblivious> are we using that thread, or a new one?
[20:57] <+Mojo> lol I have like 6 or 7. Mostly Mankar related
[20:57] <lilrhys> new one
[20:57] ==Dovahkiin changed the topic of #memospore2 to: >>> #memospore2 // GROUND ZERO <<< IAM Michael Kirkbride. AMA! | [RATICULUM] http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f | [LOGS] http://d.pr/hAkm/3VqJDnir | Kevin Bacon's Lorkhan number is 4
[20:57] <+Mojo> I posted my questions there and will copy paste in the new one
[20:57] <+thawks> fuck my shitty short-term memory
[20:57] ==Dovahkiin changed the topic of #memospore2 to: >>> #memospore2 // GROUND ZERO <<< IAM Michael Kirkbride. AMA! | [RATICULUM] http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f | [LOGS] http://d.pr/hAkm/3VqJDnir | Kevin Bacon's Lorkhan number is 4
[20:57] <OT> But I wonder if he ignores people who ask more than one question.
[20:58] <OT> This scares me a bit.
[20:58] * myrr-scryb waits nervously for link
[20:58] <+thawks> ouch
[20:58] <oblivious> usually people just pick one question out from a mega-post
[20:58] <oblivious> to answer
[20:58] <+thawks> :S
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[20:59] <OT> MK is not usual.
[20:59] <+Mojo> lol
[20:59] <OT> Who are you, oblivious?
[20:59] <+Neradac> brother of obnoxious
[20:59] <oblivious> on reddit guy231. Not very active
[20:59] <!Dovahkiin> haha
[21:00] <solthas> I think myrr might be asking questions for too many people again.
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[21:00] <+thawks> hahahahaha yes
[21:00] <+thawks> Oops bye 2136
[21:00] <+Hollymarkie> OMG ITS TIME BUT HE ISNT HERE OMG HE WONT DO IT!!!
[21:00] <+thawks> gogogogogo
[21:00] <+thawks> OMG WE R DOOMD
[21:00] <OT> le master trole
[21:01] <+Hollymarkie> that would be a bitch move
[21:01] <+thawks> he abandoned us its all the dremora guys fault
[21:01] <oblivious> does MK know how to reddit?
[21:01] <+Varanu> loooooool
[21:01] <OT> He posted a few comments.
[21:01] <+Hollymarkie> he has a account and has commented before
[21:01] <+thawks> it's up
[21:01] <oblivious> eg will he create his own thread
[21:01] <+thawks> ITS UP
[21:01] <+myrr-scryb> GUISE
[21:01] <+myrr-scryb> IT'S UP
[21:01] <+myrr-scryb>
[21:01] <+Mojo> ITS HAPPENING
[21:02] <trexalfa_> WHERE? WHEN?
[21:02] <+myrr-scryb> r-teslore
[21:02] <+myrr-scryb> now
[21:02] <+Mojo> http://www.reddit.co...sk_me_anything/
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[21:02] <!Dovahkiin> lol that pic
[21:02] <+Neradac> ok here goes!
[21:03] <OT> myrrlyn called MK a sir
[21:03] <Sifrael> \o/
[21:03] <+Hollymarkie> already dropped mine
[21:03] <OT> ._.
[21:03] <+Mojo> lolol
[21:03] <+Neradac> mojo
[21:03] <+Neradac> line under questions
[21:03] <+Neradac> hao
[21:03] <+Mojo> Underscore
[21:03] <+Neradac> oh
[21:03] <+Neradac> <.>
[21:03] <+Mojo> Just hold it for a while and hit enter and it automatically puts a pagebreak
[21:03] <+myrr-scryb> you only need four
[21:03] <+myrr-scryb> ____
[21:04] <solthas> Of course, that picture.
[21:04] <+Mojo> lol I like my instruction better
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> make sure to have line breaks above and below it.
[21:04] <+Neradac> wut?
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> paragraph
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> empty line
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> ____
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> empty line
[21:04] <OT> http://i.imgur.com/4Vjyycj.jpg
[21:04] <OT> fuck yeah
[21:04] <+myrr-scryb> paragraph
[21:05] <+Mojo> haha yes
[21:05] <+myrr-scryb> best pic evar
[21:05] <+Aeo> So edgy
[21:05] <trexalfa_> Now I am hyped for next year
[21:06] <+Hollymarkie> Alright. I'm gonna take a quick smoke break to calm my nerves
[21:06] <+Hollymarkie> BBIAB
[21:06] <+thawks> And so it begins.
[21:06] <+Neradac> posted
[21:06] <+thawks> Hahahaha easy Holly, it's just the Elk
[21:06] <+Neradac> I am voryn
[21:06] <solthas> 'adjacent places'? uh....
[21:06] <OT> 19 upvotes in 5 minutes.
[21:06] <+myrr-scryb> WE HAVE OUR FIRST ANSWER
[21:06] <+Mojo> DAMN
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[21:07] == mode/#memospore2 [+v RottenDeadite] by Arena
[21:07] <+Mojo> I'm thinking something Shadow Magic related.
[21:07] <+Neradac> get on there rotten
[21:07] ==Dovahkiin changed the topic of #memospore2 to: >>> #memospore2 // GROUND ZERO <<< IAM Michael Kirkbride. AMA! http://redd.it/1ptr0o | [RATICULUM] http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f | [LOGS] http://d.pr/hAkm/3VqJDnir | Kevin Bacon's Lorkhan number is 4
[21:07] <+myrr-scryb> Voryn? Holy hell. Been a while, man.
[21:07] <+thawks> hahahahaah dinmenel
[21:07] <+thawks> hahahahaha
[21:07] ==Dovahkiin changed the topic of #memospore2 to: >>> #memospore2 // GROUND ZERO <<< IAM Michael Kirkbride. AMA! http://redd.it/1ptr0o | [RATICULUM] http://d.pr/Pyal/1qWdHK3f | [LOGS] http://d.pr/hAkm/3VqJDnir | Kevin Bacon's Lorkhan number is 4
[21:07] <+Neradac> hue
[21:07] <+Neradac> i thought id told I was he
[21:07] <+RottenDeadite> Eh?
[21:08] <+Neradac> AMA
[21:08] <+Neradac> its happening
[21:08] <!Dovahkiin> Second answer! http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xlrf
[21:08] <+RottenDeadite> Oh right.
[21:08] <+thawks> Oooh
[21:08] <+thawks> Sermon 22 eh?
[21:08] <+thawks> Hahaha
[21:09] <+Mojo> lol wow
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[21:09] <+thawks> The one I love to misconstrue!
[21:09] <trexalfa_> Yep! Now to read it
[21:09] <+Neradac> I got upvotes \o/
[21:10] <+myrr-scryb> one's mine
[21:10] <+thawks> Hello Socks
[21:10] <+thawks> These guys are busy fangasming
[21:10] <+thawks> Come join in the merriness
[21:10] <+RottenDeadite> hehe yeah that'll happen.
[21:10] <+Neradac> third answer
[21:10] <+Neradac> All of the akaspirits, like all of the etada, are quantum figures that shed their skin as each aspect of them becomes more and more self-aware.
[21:10] <+Neradac> The Aka-Tusk is a particularly old and needed version of the Time Dragon from the days of the Ehlnofey.
[21:10] <+Neradac> http://www.reddit.co...5xnsg?context=3
[21:10] <+Toesock> Hey guys
[21:10] <+Neradac> losock
[21:11] <+Mojo> Hey sock
[21:11] <HermitThrush> how do I even reddit
[21:11] <+Toesock> aww
[21:11] <+Toesock> I saw your post never fear
[21:11] <+thawks> @Hermit: 6 kinds
[21:11] <+thawks> Obviously
[21:11] <OT> poor MK
[21:11] <+Toesock> He asked for it
[21:11] <+RottenDeadite> lol dat picture
[21:12] <+Mojo> lol
[21:12] <+myrr-scryb> 36 comments
[21:12] <+myrr-scryb> 36 sermons
[21:12] <+myrr-scryb> houston, we have CHIM
[21:12] <+Neradac> inspirations answer
[21:12] <+Neradac> :c
[21:12] <+Mojo> haha
[21:12] <+Aeo> Haha, myrr
[21:12] <+Aeo> Going through some of the logs
[21:12] <!Dovahkiin> hahaha
[21:12] <+Aeo> %Void_Ghost Your tweakin ass needs to slow your shit
[21:12] <+Aeo> xD
[21:13] <+Mojo> haha
[21:13] <+myrr-scryb> hey
[21:13] <+thawks> Hahahaha
[21:13] <+myrr-scryb> i get excited
[21:13] <+Aeo> %Void_Ghost stop asking about fucking orcs
[21:13] <+Aeo> xD
[21:13] <trexalfa_> xD
[21:13] * myrr-scryb cries
[21:13] <+Neradac> erryone ask about orcs when its over
[21:13] <+Varanu> lol
[21:14] <+Mojo> lol I've never gotten so many upvotes so fast
[21:14] <solthas> Sorry, myrr.
[21:14] <+Hollymarkie> "Influences are active play, DeLillo, jazz, and fear of cancer."
[21:14] <+Hollymarkie> lol
[21:14] <+Neradac> HA
[21:15] <+Neradac> Where was Yagrum during the events of Red Mountain? Where/what are the Outer Realms?
[21:15] <+thawks> heh
[21:15] <+Neradac> &#149;Yagrum: In a pocket real called Plot Device.
[21:15] <+thawks> Plot Vagina
[21:15] <+Mojo> lolol
[21:15] <+thawks> He went upwards
[21:15] <!Dovahkiin> LN's on
[21:15] <+thawks> nic
[21:15] <+thawks> e
[21:15] <!Dovahkiin> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xrpt
[21:15] <+myrr-scryb> LADY N IS HERE TOO
[21:15] <+myrr-scryb> oh
[21:15] <+RottenDeadite> Ahhhh Pelinal is a kind of Jill?
[21:15] <HermitThrush> lolololol
[21:16] <+Neradac> SILL WILL BE IN CODA
[21:16] <HermitThrush> in a pocket realm called plot device
[21:16] <+Neradac> YES
[21:16] <+thawks> HAHAHA
[21:16] <+thawks> WOOO
[21:16] <+Neradac> anything sotha sil related makes me happy
[21:16] <+Mojo> No I think he meant that the Jills have to work overtime because of Pelinal
[21:16] <+thawks> <333 Sil mah babe
[21:16] <+thawks> finally your hour is come
[21:16] <+Mojo> Or [insert time-traveling robot here]
[21:16] <!Dovahkiin> "Eye of Magnus: I'll just say I'm a fan of that idea."
[21:16] <!Dovahkiin> haha
[21:16] <+Mojo>
[21:16] <+myrr-scryb> oh jesus
[21:16] <+Toesock> lol
[21:16] <+RottenDeadite> hehehe
[21:17] <+myrr-scryb> fantheory shitstorms inbound
[21:17] <+myrr-scryb>
[21:17] <OT> Sota Sil in C0DA
[21:17] <OT> fuck yes.
[21:17] <+Mojo> YES
[21:17] <OT> this is everything I wanted to hear today.
[21:17] <OT> My day is made.
[21:17] <+thawks> ^
[21:17] <+Varanu> ditto
[21:17] * Varanu adores Sotha Sil
[21:17] <Sifrael> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xtjm
[21:17] * thawks does too
[21:17] <+Varanu> thawks
[21:17] <+myrr-scryb> oh jesus
[21:17] <+Varanu> we should write some more Sotha Sil fanfic
[21:17] <OT> also,
[21:18] <+thawks> oooooh
[21:18] <OT> don't discuss the answers in the AMA.
[21:18] <+thawks> with some dwemer sex toys
[21:18] <+thawks> yesss
[21:18] <+Varanu> I mean I already did the Red Moment from his POV but yes
[21:18] <OT> We will open a new thread afterwards
[21:18] <+Varanu> exactly
[21:18] <+Neradac> whos chases shadows?
[21:18] <+Neradac> seriously lol
[21:18] <+Mojo> noted ot
[21:18] <+Neradac> one post and knows exactly what not to ask
[21:18] <+thawks> he never got the Clockwork City cuz he was so busy being sexually stimulated
[21:18] <+thawks> new headcanon
[21:18] <+thawks> AND I AM GODHEAD SO IT IS CORRECT
[21:18] <+Varanu> I love this new headcanon
[21:19] <+thawks> loool chases-shadows
[21:19] <+RottenDeadite> "That's a boring kind of evil, which is a shame, because a lot of their quests are masterfully done."
[21:19] <+thawks> how'd he slink through
[21:19] <+RottenDeadite> Sooooo true.
[21:19] <+thawks> Yeah.
[21:19] * thawks hates the DB
[21:19] <+thawks> Too stereotypical evil cult.
[21:19] <+thawks> murder cult.
[21:19] <!Dovahkiin> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xw6h
[21:20] <+RottenDeadite> Yeah but their quests are awesome
[21:20] <HermitThrush> Funny how they're among the most interesting.
[21:20] <+Varanu> that quest where you kill all the people in the house...
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[21:20] <+Thrice-Crooked> So Lyg is like Nu-Cyrod
[21:20] <+thawks> mm hm
[21:20] <+thawks> that
[21:20] <+thawks> boggles my mind a bit
[21:21] <+RottenDeadite> Oh wow that bit about where he got CHIM from is really actually quite enlightening.
[21:21] <+thawks> quite a whole very much actually
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[21:21] <!Dovahkiin> Yep.
[21:21] <lilrhys> HI
[21:21] <Anonymous_Mononymous> Hi
[21:21] <+Mojo> Hey AM
[21:21] <+Hollymarkie> hey anon
[21:21] <+thawks> Hi AM
[21:21] <+thawks> join us in the crazy
[21:21] <!Dovahkiin> OT: http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xws3
[21:22] <+Varanu> huh, my question actually has upvotes
[21:22] * Varanu is surprised
[21:22] <OT> removed
[21:22] <+thawks> You asked a question?
[21:22] <+Varanu> yeah
[21:22] <trexalfa_> the Night Mother is Vivec's fuckfriend??
[21:22] <+thawks> Well
[21:22] <OT> thanks
[21:22] <+thawks> what happens in that sermon, trex
[21:22] <+Varanu> it had nothing to do with smut, thawks
[21:22] <+thawks> http://www.uesp.net/...rmon_Twenty-Two
[21:22] <+Varanu> just clearing that up
[21:22] <+thawks> NO WAY
[21:23] <Anonymous_Mononymous> therefore nothing to do with lore
[21:23] <+thawks> filthy pagan
[21:23] <+Varanu> it has nothing to do with lore, either, that's why I'm surprised
[21:23] <OT> wow these were the fastest 20 minutes ever.
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[21:23] <+Mojo> yep
[21:23] <Anonymous_Mononymous> I think it's funny that he says he's inspired by a fear of cancer and he's smoking in his proof pic
[21:23] <+myrr-scryb> RIGHT
[21:24] <+Mojo> lol
[21:24] <+myrr-scryb> to both OT and A_M
[21:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> aaaah
[21:24] <+thawks> 24
[21:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> watching reddit
[21:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> and chat
[21:24] <+Thrice-Crooked> too much
[21:24] <+thawks> pls keep count
[21:24] <+Mojo> http://www.reddit.co...5y09u?context=3
[21:24] * Varanu minimizes both
[21:24] * Varanu will be back in thirty minutes
[21:24] <+Varanu>
[21:24] <+thawks> Mithras, eh?
[21:24] ==Varanu has changed nick to Varanu_afk
[21:25] <+thawks> Later Var
[21:25] <+Mojo> bye var
[21:25] <+Aeo> Darn. +RottenDeadite In Ehlnofex, what does AI mean?
[21:25] <+Aeo> %MK It's 'fex, hard to say. Say it really fucking loud and figure it out. seriously.
[21:25] <+Aeo>
[21:25] <!Dovahkiin> Sifrael: I casually mentioned it on MK's facebook, and he said, "THIS IS OFFICIAL NOW"
[21:25] <+RottenDeadite> Yup.
[21:25] <!Dovahkiin> lol
[21:25] <+RottenDeadite> haha
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> YES I HAVE A REPLY
[21:26] <+Hollymarkie> I don't
[21:26] <!Dovahkiin> The minor victories.
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> ABOUT TRINIMAC
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> MAJOR VICTORY FOR ME
[21:26] <+Mojo> lol well I was FIRST
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> i'm sorry
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> i was working
[21:26] * Mojo feels L337
[21:26] <+myrr-scryb> i have all of my vicarious comments set to go
[21:26] <+Neradac> I still have no answer :c
[21:26] <!Dovahkiin> That's a GOOD answer.
[21:27] <+thawks> you got mail, Rotten
[21:27] <+Hollymarkie> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5y2ky OT?
[21:27] <+Mojo> Rotten you got a great answer
[21:27] <Sifrael> Someone I know mentioned the "Prototype Extra-Liminal Interstitial Nirnian Assault Lattice" but he didn't remeber where he found it... that's great!
[21:27] <OT> HE'S NOT ANSWERING MY QUESITONS
[21:27] <+RottenDeadite> Heh
[21:27] <+Hollymarkie> MINE NEITHER!
[21:27] <+thawks> Thawks says: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYONE SHUT UP AND WATCH THE SHOW
[21:27] <OT> mk pls respond
[21:27] <+thawks> anything*
[21:27] <solthas> He's always going to get to the khajiit later... later... :c
[21:28] <trexalfa_> the Night Mother is Vivec's fuckfriend??
[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> >gets off flight, checks Facebook
[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> >THIS IS NOW OFFICIAL
[21:28] <!Dovahkiin> >Uh
[21:28] <+thawks> trex stop freaking out
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[21:28] <+Neradac> erryone's vehk's fuckfriend
[21:28] <+Neradac> because errything hapened
[21:28] <+thawks> ^^^^
[21:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> Oh boy
[21:28] <+thawks> best canon
[21:28] <+Thrice-Crooked> i hope he answers at least *one* of mine
[21:29] <oblivious> the downvotes in this sub confuse me.
[21:29] <trexalfa_> Flawless answer I got thawks
[21:29] <+thawks> hah
[21:29] <+Neradac> it spiralled out of control when the subreddit grew popular obli
[21:29] <+thawks> And yes, oblivious, they are horrible
[21:29] <+myrr-scryb> seriously why is my salivific-behalf question being down'd?
[21:29] <OT> what the fuck
[21:30] <OT> "How much power do dancers have really?"
[21:30] <OT> is a serious question, isn't it?
[21:30] <HermitThrush> So much power
[21:30] <lilrhys> It's Gerka
[21:30] <OT> but come on.
[21:30] <+Hollymarkie> I think so
[21:30] <+thawks> Over 9000
[21:30] <+thawks> pls
[21:30] <HermitThrush> Hahahaha
[21:30] <OT> that is a serious question...
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> hahahaha
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> It is
[21:30] <!Dovahkiin> actually
[21:30] <HermitThrush> Hey many, shouts have power
[21:30] <HermitThrush> Don't hate
[21:30] <+thawks> But can it climb that mountain over there?
[21:31] <HermitThrush> lolololol
[21:31] <oblivious> half over
[21:31] <+myrr-scryb> OT
[21:31] <+myrr-scryb> the dance thing is both referecning Gerka's trick
[21:31] <OT> wut
[21:31] <+Neradac> ack
[21:31] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> and also serious
[21:31] <[color=#922e99]HermitThrush[/color]> Hahahaha, ogrim nipple rings
[21:31] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> i know.
[21:31] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> but it's still serious
[21:31] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> damnit
[21:31] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> I want an answer T_T
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[21:31] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Hi Xeno
[21:32] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Hola
[21:32] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> hey xeno
[21:32] <[color=#2e9975]Anonymous_Mononymous[/color]> sup xeno
[21:32] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Wow, popular channel today
[21:32] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> Hello Xeno.
[21:32] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Haha, sure is
[21:32] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Wait, Star Wars?
[21:32] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> swhat happens
[21:32] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> MK wrote for SW? Huh
[21:32] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hi Xeno
[21:32] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Yeah Force Unleashed
[21:32] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> xeno!
[21:32] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> hey hey hey
[21:32] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Right, Mojo.
[21:32] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I actually pinned Darth Vader's lines as his
[21:32] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> "I was very proud of my short stint on Star Wars. FUCK YEAH I WROTE LINES FOR DARTH VADER. And I came up with the idea that he inadvertently created the Alliance and that's canon now, bitches."
[21:33] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Hahaha
[21:33] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> "I'm working on a new 20-year project now, but it's too soon to really talk about that."
[21:33] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Bastard
[21:33] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Wow
[21:33] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:33] <[color=#922e99]HermitThrush[/color]> What lines?
[21:33] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> why are we deleting the dancer question
[21:33] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Yep, Star Wars is my #2 nerd-hard-on
[21:33] <[color=#992e53]+Aeo[/color]> Oh hey xeno
[21:33] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> but ogrim-nipples are okay?
[21:33] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Aww, come on, it's Gerka
[21:34] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> The ones I though of him on were mid-late in the game in his interactions with the Apprentice
[21:34] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Sup Xeno
[21:34] <[color=#922e99]HermitThrush[/color]> What game?
[21:34] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Star Wars Force Unleashed
[21:34] <[color=#922e99]HermitThrush[/color]> K
[21:34] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> huh.
[21:34] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> ugh, hes not going to answer mine is he...
[21:34] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Yo, hermit, myrr, aeo, any others that said hi
[21:34] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I had thought he also did some of the crazy jedi's dialogue (can't remember his name) but guess not
[21:35] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> easy on the spam, guys
[21:35] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Oh hey xeno
[21:35] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Ner
[21:35] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> we're only half way in
[21:35] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> calm down
[21:35] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5y8ca - *really*?
[21:35] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> its mildly annoying considering he answered questions 2 minutes in and mine is nearly half an hour ago
[21:35] <[color=#992e53]+Aeo[/color]> I'll just check the thread once it's over. Anything I'd ask has probably already been asked in one of the chat logs or by someone else
[21:36] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> voryn
[21:36] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> he's leaping about
[21:36] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> i got a question from the opening only recently answered
[21:36] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> he wont answer all of em
[21:36] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> SW, please don't go there, for all of us
[21:36] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Mk'll answer what he wants. I'm 99% sure he won't answer my question : P
[21:36] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> my question only got 2 upvotes so he probably wont even see em
[21:36] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Don't think that last link works, Dovah.
[21:36] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> he sure wont xeno. he dun care bout argonians.
[21:36] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> RD: Deleted already
[21:36] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Niiiice.
[21:36] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> I wise man said
[21:36] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> The way you act, both during the event and afterwards might dictate if there will be future AMAs, so please behave like adults. Even if you aren't.
[21:36] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> (actually he talked about them last time he was here, but i dont know if you wuld have liked what he said)
[21:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hah, thanks OT
[21:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Far from wise though
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Wait wha
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> What'd he say?
[21:37] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[21:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> "I hate them"
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Oh lol
[21:37] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> in the logs?
[21:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> That's what
[21:37] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Yeah Xeno MK's not a fan of Argonians, Orks, or Khajiit, apparently.
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Thats fine, everybody does
[21:37] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Especially orcs
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Except me
[21:37] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Nooo I love Argonians
[21:37] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> Come on, nobody loves Orcs.
[21:37] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> which is okay, because the khajiit are the best.
[21:37] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> out of the three
[21:37] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> actually he didnt say that
[21:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I for one am willing to hunt down BlueDev for an AMA
[21:38] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> he just said he realy thinks Shadowscales suck ass
[21:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> "TES should be Open Source."
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[21:38] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> One of the most characteristic features of the Mysteries is the naked lion-headed (leontocephaline) figure often found in Mithraic temples. He is entwined by a serpent, (or two serpents, like a caduceus) with the snake's head often resting on the lion's head.
[21:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> yess
[21:38] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> in regards to mithras
[21:38] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> dayum
[21:38] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Oooohhh yeah thawks. If only.
[21:38] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Well it kinda is, thanks to modding.
[21:38] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> MK working for Star Wars?... I don't believe you.
[21:38] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Aww, well that beats me theory that Shadowscales could woop nightingale ass any day
[21:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> nightingales = lame shits
[21:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> don't care for shadowscales but ANYONE could whoop their asses as long as Noc's not watching
[21:39] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> http://www.mobygames...eloperId,16258/
[21:39] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> HEY
[21:39] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> I LOVE ORCS
[21:39] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> List of stuff MK has been on. LOTR
[21:39] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> YEAH HE ANSWERED ON OF MY QUESTIONS!
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[21:40] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> That was the Dawn. Wars then were ideologies given skin.
[21:40] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...5ycm2?context=3
[21:40] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> huh
[21:40] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> GREAT answer
[21:40] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> nightingales suck too
[21:40] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> yeah
[21:40] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Man, even if he does hate Argonians, could he at least be like "Those fucking lizard shits *were* purely created by the Hist"
[21:40] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> definitly a good one
[21:40] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I'd be so happy
[21:40] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> ... we know that
[21:40] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> thats not something we dont know
[21:41] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Thrice, know that the Argos were purely created or that nightingales suck?
[21:41] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:41] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> valid questions
[21:41] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> And by purely I mean like from dust
[21:41] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[21:41] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> The Thalmor are gonna win in the end
[21:41] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> How canon of him
[21:41] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> Also Known As Michael Kirkbridge
[21:41] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> wut
[21:42] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Of course they are, TES can't run forever
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> And they're going to win in the end.
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> well shit
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Xeno_ pretty sure we know both of those things
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> oh from dust?
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> no
[21:42] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh come on, that wasn't surprising.
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> we know they arent...
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Hist dont make
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> hist alter
[21:42] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Mortality's not gonna be a thing forever is it.
[21:42] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[21:42] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5yg3t
[21:42] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Wow.
[21:42] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> And they're going to win in the end.
[21:43] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> ^just
[21:43] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> damn
[21:43] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> but thats going to be a long time though
[21:43] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> We got 5+ eras to fill with love and history.
[21:43] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Exactly thrice
[21:43] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> hence my question
[21:43] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> 9 actually thawks
[21:43] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> 5+ more*
[21:43] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Argonians are altered humanoids or altered reptiles?
[21:43] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I know they alter, just what did they alter tho?
[21:43] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Because 4+5 is 0
[21:43] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ...
[21:43] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> 9
[21:44] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> altered reptiles
[21:44] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:44] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Is that confirmed? that's my personal idea, but it's debated
[21:44] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> MY COMMENT IS THE MOST UPVOTED GET IT TOGETHER MK
[21:44] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> hahaha
[21:44] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> its confirmed, for a long time now, that the Argonians are not Humans made into Argonians
[21:44] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> even though he answered two of them already
[21:44] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Closest we have to confirmation is Phylogeny *suggesting* that Argonians were originally tree-lizards
[21:44] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> actually no
[21:44] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> OT pls
[21:44] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> we got two sources
[21:44] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> one
[21:45] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> easy
[21:45] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> And I really wanted a magical hermaphroditic badass on the XBox.
[21:45] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> we got the one saying that Argonians go more Human the more they lick the tree
[21:45] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ...what
[21:45] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Second we got Lord of Souls
[21:45] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Glims vision
[21:45] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Well I know the second one
[21:45] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I've been looking for so long for the first one
[21:45] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5yizo
[21:45] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> OT he's doing it just to piss you off
[21:45] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Where does it exactly say that? I want the source, so I can wear around my neck and flash it to every doubter to have ever lived
[21:46] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> (he's in here yaknow)
[21:46] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> WHY DOES HE HATE ME
[21:46] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> oops did I spill that
[21:46] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> lol
[21:46] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> 12 celestial components in mithraism
[21:46] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> shiggidy
[21:46] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[21:46] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> we gun have sum stuff to dismantle afterwards
[21:46] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Haha. So much for Tsaesci.
[21:47] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> "Until I finish the Shonni-etta, and Reman gangbangs all of their forces at Pale Pass."
[21:47] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Nice
[21:47] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Xeno_ you can find the first one by searching Argonians in TIL
[21:48] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> 12 minutes to go
[21:48] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> yup
[21:48] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> mine aint gonna get answered
[21:48] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> sordak pls
[21:48] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> i'm fresh outta questions
[21:48] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> and now i wish i didnt even ask them
[21:48] <Sifrael> nor mine
[21:49] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> and the catman isn't getting any joy either, apparently
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[21:49] == mode/#memospore2 [+v Akiija] by [color=#742e99]Arena[/color]
[21:49] <Sifrael> But I think it's normal, too many questions, no answer
[21:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yeah.
[21:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> cough
[21:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING
[21:49] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> well hes definitely got to do with morihaus
[21:49] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> mithras I mean
[21:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> RAUUUUWR
[21:49] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> He wrote the Arcturian Heresy, huh
[21:49] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> So today's exciting, eh?
[21:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> He doesn't like the AH huh?
[21:49] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5ynu3
[21:50] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> Number of times PELINAL gets mentioned in /r/TESlore without ElvenlyPossible telling what PELINAL stands for:
[21:50] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> 0
[21:50] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahahaha.
[21:50] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Hahahahahahaha
[21:50] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]>
[21:50] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> hahaha
[21:50] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh, hey kiija
[21:50] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Didn't see you come in
[21:50] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> Makes sense. It just makes me sad that he's always like "I'll get back to them."
[21:50] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Hey thawks
[21:50] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Only here for a second. Gunna be logging on later when I get out of work
[21:50] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5ynls
[21:50] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Was so excited to see the AMA notice yesterday
[21:50] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> We're in the middle of a MK AMA if you missed that
[21:50] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> (disappointment face)
[21:50] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Ah
[21:51] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Well it ain't going anywehre
[21:51] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> where*
[21:51] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> does anyone get the "uncle ken" reference?
[21:51] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Eh
[21:51] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> Qu1nlan has the top-question now.
[21:51] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Ugh.
[21:51] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Ken Rolston
[21:51] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> my CHIM is rustled
[21:51] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> most likeley yeah
[21:51] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ^
[21:51] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> I wasn't aware MK wasn't around for Tribunal
[21:51] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> oh, definitely
[21:51] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> tjanks
[21:51] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> That kinda surprised me
[21:51] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> thanks
[21:51] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> My dog is trying to stare his dinner out of me.
[21:51] <[color=#2e998e]Hoov[/color]> Kanud: "My question is regarding the ogrim[1] . Do you know why they wear nipple-rings, as if they were part of some beastly pride? Malacath hasn't got that kinky a-rules, has he?" I agree with this guy. Fuck metaphysics, I want to know about kinky Ogrim.
[21:52] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> -_-
[21:52] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:52] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> shut up hoov
[21:52] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> *snort*
[21:52] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I searched Thrice. I found a general agreement in a discussion, I've looked over that one a few times before, but still no concrete source.
[21:53] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> meh. lemme look for it. but TIL is slow again
[21:53] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Oh, and the post from Xarnac I've been secretly drooling over for a few months waiting to analyze
[21:53] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> I at least want MK to drop a song for me
[21:53] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Because that'd be cool
[21:53] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Unsuccessfully,l might add, as I believe it is pure perfection
[21:53] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> Goddamnit
[21:53] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> he answered my design question, not my vivec question
[21:54] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> INFER
[21:54] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]>
[21:54] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> INFEEEER
[21:54] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> jinx
[21:54] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> shut up
[21:54] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[21:54] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> lol
[21:55] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Shit guys the hour's almost over
[21:55] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> >MFW reading the answers because he didn't answer my questions yet http://i.imgur.com/taEl5lc.gif
[21:55] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> hahahahaha
[21:55] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> That literally made me spit
[21:55] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> lol ot
[21:55] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]>
[21:56] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Flippers is gunna bust a nut
[21:56] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> Assuredly'
[21:56] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> OH CRAP I forgot to ask what Hist is
[21:56] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Haha, faker.
[21:56] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> One sec brb
[21:56] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[21:56] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> QUICK
[21:56] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Too late for that
[21:56] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> 4 minutes and counting
[21:56] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> So Azura didn't deserve her spot, eh?
[21:57] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Xeno_ i already asked em about the relation between Sithis and the HIst and they didnt tell me jack.
[21:57] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> and now that he displays dislike towards azura, watch as the masses do too
[21:57] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> wow
[21:57] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> only like 2 deleted posts
[21:57] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> woah dislike towards azura?
[21:57] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> That's quite good, actually.
[21:57] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> LOL as if anyone liked Azura
[21:57] ==[color=#952e99]thawks[/color] has changed nick to [color=#532e99]Azurah[/color]
[21:57] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Ah alright Thrice
[21:58] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> Azura deserved what she got at the Trial. Faker.
[21:58] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> dem be hatin
[21:58] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> "Sermon 22 speaks to the nature of the Night Mother."
[21:58] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> MAN FUCK AZURAH
[21:58] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> You guys.
[21:58] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> youd be surprised thawks
[21:58] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> unfortunately
[21:58] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Vivec is the Night Mother.
[21:58] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Now this kinda makes me think
[21:58] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> o_o
[21:58] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Hahahah RD
[21:58] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> I AM LE QUEEN BISHES
[21:58] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]>
[21:58] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]>
[21:58] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> In his response to the Thalmor, he calls them incredibly dangerous, comparable to Talos
[21:58] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> But I SWEAR I heard him say something similar about Azura
[21:58] ==[color=#532e99]Azurah[/color] has changed nick to [color=#952e99]thawks[/color]
[21:58] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> most dangerous force in the Aurbis
[21:58] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I knew I felt something pokey when I was in there with her in the casket
[21:58] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> huh
[21:58] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> :S
[21:58] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Right, Dovahkiin
[21:58] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> Who are the underkings
[21:58] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> plural
[21:59] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> RottenDeadite: elaborate
[21:59] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Read Sermon 22.
[21:59] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> .... i want t o know shit about giants
[21:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Ooh, several Underkings?
[21:59] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Oh man
[21:59] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> I thought it was interesting that he referred to Talos as an organisation. Kind of makes sense, though I hadn't thought of it so formally.
[21:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Haha yeah.
[21:59] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> solthas, as in "talos contains multitudes?"
[22:00] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> yeah
[22:00] <[color=#99332e]_stille_[/color]> wait wut
[22:00] <[color=#99332e]_stille_[/color]> how's vivec the night mother
[22:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hi stille.
[22:00] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> huh
[22:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
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[22:00] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I /think/ I may be seeing it
[22:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> hey look an-xileel answer
[22:00] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> Vivec loves poor Cicero
[22:00] <[color=#99332e]_stille_[/color]> he's maybe the Sithis the night mother(s) slept with
[22:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[22:01] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I like that stille
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> corner of dagon
[22:01] * [color=#99332e]_stille_[/color] reads the ARG
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> that is all
[22:01] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> ANXILEEL ANSWER WHERE WHAT
[22:01] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> he slept with the night mother's sithis
[22:01] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> if you get what I mean
[22:01] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> now ill stop
[22:01] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> The Dark Brotherhood split from the Morag Tong, right?
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ^____^
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yes.
[22:01] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Because...?
[22:01] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> HOLLY
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Because Vivec outlawed Mephala worship?
[22:01] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> religious differences iirc
[22:01] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> YOU GOT AN ANSWER
[22:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> IIRC?
[22:01] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> if I remember corrrectly
[22:01] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Right, Neradac.
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[22:01] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> So what inspired them to have those differences?
[22:02] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Hi Varanu!
[22:02] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Oh shiiiiiiiiiit
[22:02] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> its in a book somewhere iirc
[22:02] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Welcome back Var, you got an answer.
[22:02] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Xeno, calm down.
[22:02] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Lol sorry
[22:02] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[22:02] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> I just didn't get an answer to my favourite question...
[22:02] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh right, hangout time.
[22:03] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Oh yay he sort of answered my question too
[22:03] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I feel warm inside
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[22:03] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> lol myrr battletoads
[22:03] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> +1 for TESO there
[22:03] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> you must pay per month to learn the lore
[22:03] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> lel
[22:03] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> MK lets ZOS do argonians?
[22:03] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> well.
[22:03] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> that may end up beeing horrible
[22:04] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha
[22:04] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> OH SHIT
[22:04] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> Nir= first possipoint
[22:04] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Actually I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say or not
[22:04] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Who is Nir?
[22:04] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> The first possipoint.
[22:04] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Nice!
[22:04] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Sordak did leak me some info
[22:05] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Involving player verbal interaction with Hist
[22:05] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> I feel cold inside.
[22:05] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> And left out.
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[22:05] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha OT
[22:05] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> That makes two of us.
[22:05] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> I AM CRY
[22:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> MK HATES ME SOB
[22:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Nah I just wanted a song.
[22:06] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> he didnt answer my shit either
[22:06] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> doesnt matter
[22:06] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> i cana nnoy him over secunda to make up for it
[22:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Exactly.
[22:06] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> heh
[22:06] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> Xeno_ yeah but it may very well not be any good...
[22:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> The things that happen in the VIP room...
[22:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> )))
[22:07] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I'm looking forward to it one or way or another. The rage or amazement, that is.
[22:07] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> "HEY GUYS, THAT WAS FUN. AND WHOA DID IT FLY BY FAST. GOTTA RUN, BUT WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. STAY GOOD."
[22:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> The rage will happen regardless.
[22:07] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Yeah
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[22:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yay!
[22:07] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> MK left?
[22:07] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Well, good times
[22:08] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> did he?
[22:08] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> and straight to the hangout i guess!
[22:08] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> yeah
[22:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> And this is why you should listen to thawks and behave like adults
[22:08] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> that didn't bring me shit, thawks
[22:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[22:08] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> haha
[22:08] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha OT
[22:08] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> Thanks, Obama
[22:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> But it will!
[22:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> In the distant future
[22:09] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]>
[22:09] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]>
[22:09] <[color=#802e99]solthas[/color]> Well, have fun hang(out) drum. I'll be back on later.
[22:10] <Sifrael> where is MK saying this?
[22:10] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]>
[22:10] <[color=#2e994c]+Akiija[/color]> Alright, well I gotta split. I'll catch you guys later
[22:10] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> See ya
[22:10] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> In the AMA, Sif.
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[22:10] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...sk_me_anything/
[22:10] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Well yeah, that was fun.
[22:10] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> I got both my questions answered
[22:10] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Thanks for entertaining each other during the wait
[22:10] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> which were things that were bugging me for a while, so hurray
[22:11] <Sifrael> I forgot one!
[22:11] <[color=#992e7b]OT[/color]> I think I'm off now. Bye everyone :-(
[22:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> later OT
[22:11] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Bye
[22:11] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> night OT
[22:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Keep yo hopes up
[22:11] <Sifrael> Does he know something on Kama Fyr?
[22:11] <Sifrael> Bye!
[22:11] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Haha night OT
[22:12] <[color=#2e9299]+Hollymarkie[/color]> I'm of as well BTW, night y'all
[22:12] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> night OT
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[22:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Kama Fyr?
[22:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Waaaaaaaait
[22:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> No that's not it.
[22:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Nvm.
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[22:12] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Night Holly
[22:12] <Sifrael> he might know something... as she gave some clues about Amaranth
[22:13] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yeah.
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[22:14] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> I was under the impression that Vivec just didn't think Azurah was doing her job, and tried to contort her into something more instructive. But I still couldn't really see what she had to offer. But it looks like she's a fake with nothing to offer at all.
[22:14] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> 400 comment karma in one hour.
[22:14] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> nice.
[22:14] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha
[22:14] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> hit the jackpot
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[22:16] <Sifrael> wow, he answered about 30 questions!
[22:17] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> so
[22:17] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> I think that's impressive, no sarcasm
[22:17] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> no, i had a followup to that so
[22:17] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> i hit enter instead of period.
[22:17] <+myrr-scryb> i too am impressed, sifrael
[22:17] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> and very glad
[22:18] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> ...and now i forgot where i was going with the opening "so"
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[22:18] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> i'm glad my CSS worked. though it looks smaller than it did on wyzyrd...
[22:18] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Yeh, it was very good myrr, thank you
[22:19] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]>
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[22:19] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> wb
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[22:19] <[color=#2e2e99]lilrhys_[/color]> Stupid internet connection
[22:19] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> hey!
[22:19] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> thanks for the trin, answer, btw.
[22:20] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> Jesus Christ on a broken bicycle, that was fucking exhausting.
[22:20] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha
[22:20] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Thank you for doing it
[22:20] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> sorry for the question-spam
[22:20] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Hey MK
[22:20] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> you're welcome
[22:20] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Thanks for the AMA!
[22:20] <[color=#2e2e99]lilrhys_[/color]> Thanks
[22:20] <[color=#77992e]TheNerdler[/color]> Domo
[22:20] <[color=#922e99]GhostofaFlea[/color]> Yeah thanks a lot.
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[22:21] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> stop thanking me. it was fun.
[22:21] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> hey you
[22:21] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> we're over-polite
[22:21] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> Ada's here.
[22:21] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> So this place exists.
[22:21] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> it's a real thing
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[22:22] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Hey MK
[22:22] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> Hey man
[22:22] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> But this means I have to join two servers, which is at least five additional clicks.
[22:22] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> or just get a client
[22:22] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> I know. Times are hard.
[22:22] <Sifrael> hi
[22:23] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> If I didn't stop at 3 my fingers were gonna fall off.
[22:23] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hello.
[22:23] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> That's why god gave you ten.
[22:23] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Howdy MK
[22:23] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> Heya
[22:23] <Sifrael> we were impressed... you've answered about 30 questions in 1 hour... are you human?
[22:23] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Most of #secunda are in a google hangout at the moment.
[22:23] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> what?
[22:23] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> np
[22:23] * [color=#63992e]myrr-scryb[/color] never got invited...
[22:24] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]>
[22:24] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh
[22:24] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> I had Darya help me find the best ones
[22:24] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> well, not the best ones, just ones I should answer
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[22:24] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> I am so totally saddened by the lack of music.
[22:24] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> I couldn't refresh fast enough
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[22:25] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Honestly how many questions did you expect to get?
[22:25] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> haha, about that many
[22:26] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> The easier ones to answer are the single ones. My eyes blur at the lists.
[22:26] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> sorry:/
[22:26] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Haha, told ya
[22:26] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> haha
[22:26] <Sifrael> next time, I will post 5 times one question
[22:26] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> ha
[22:26] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> i still don't know how i wound up as the bearer of absentee questions.
[22:27] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Cos I told you to
[22:27] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> oh
[22:27] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> because you're overly-polite, remember?
[22:27] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> With my shiny green distinguished comment
[22:27] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> yep that would do it
[22:27] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> favorite answer?
[22:27] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5y5bw
[22:27] <Sifrael> TES should be Open Source. definitely
[22:28] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> well i spent money on one of them, so i'd go with that one
[22:28] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> We got all excitd on the Star Wars thing
[22:28] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I totally called Vader. Awesome stuff. I thought for sure the crazy jedi too (can't remember his name)
[22:28] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> I usually avoid mentioning my time there, but fuck it.
[22:29] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> so, have you ever actually played Battletoads?
[22:29] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> I was fired for, uh, playing with my lightsaber in public.
[22:29] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[22:29] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> pfhahaha
[22:29] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> Azurah is a faker. 'cause I've been puzzling over azura for a while.
[22:29] ==[color=#952e99]thawks[/color] has changed nick to [color=#532e99]Azurah[/color]
[22:29] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> who called
[22:29] ==[color=#2e9955]Sifrael[/color] has changed nick to Muatra
[22:29] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> Azura really deserves someone else to give her her due.
[22:30] <[color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]> not me
[22:30] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> Kamyfehr would probably be up for it
[22:30] == mode/#memospore2 [+h KMMK] by [color=#2e3399]Dovahkiin[/color]
[22:30] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> oh wait sorry I'm supposed to be IC
[22:30] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Azura maps the path to the Sun.
[22:30] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> (just spitballing here)
[22:30] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> imma bust yo ass cat
[22:30] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> She doesn't even show up in C0DA, that's how much I don't like her.
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[22:30] <[color=#532e99]+Azurah[/color]> no one gun mess with mama zurah
[22:30] <[color=#2e9959]memospore2936[/color]> Hello humans
[22:30] ==[color=#532e99]Azurah[/color] has changed nick to [color=#952e99]thawks[/color]
[22:30] <[color=#992e2e]+SemblioSanctii[/color]> hello 2936
[22:31] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hi.
[22:31] <[color=#2e9959]memospore2936[/color]> How are you ?
[22:31] == Nickname is already in use: Nu-Sifrael
[22:31] ==[color=#872e99]Muatra[/color] has changed nick to Nu-Sifrael
[22:31] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> We are.
[22:31] <Nu-Sifrael> you are a number
[22:32] <Nu-Sifrael> Some of us are Mystics of the Number Room
[22:32] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Yeah 2936, get a name or get out
[22:32] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> brb, guys
[22:32] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> 37 is the only real number.
[22:32] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> But that's for another day.
[22:32] ==[color=#2e2e99]lilrhys_[/color] has changed nick to [color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]
[22:32] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Get in the Prison Shirt yo
[22:32] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Use /nick [name] for namechanging
[22:33] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> did you cheat and answer a question after claiming to depart?
[22:33] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> just the Skyrim one
[22:34] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I had to come back for that one
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[22:34] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> Hello mans
[22:34] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Preaching to the choir
[22:34] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> humans*
[22:34] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hello Manos.
[22:35] ==[color=#84992e]GW[/color] has changed nick to [color=#2e9967]Goldrinar[/color]
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[22:36] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Lots of new faces in here today.
[22:36] <Nu-Sifrael> well, a question I didn't dare to ask in teslore. I understand if it gets no answer. There's a lot, really a lot of people who say you have been taking drugs while writting some texts. Should we still answer them "might be, but it is good texts", or something else?
[22:36] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hello Valenza.
[22:36] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> We're gonna have to hide soon
[22:36] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Understandably, thawks, big day
[22:36] <[color=#692e99]Valenza[/color]> Hi
[22:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yeah I know, but was this place linked on reddit?
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[22:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> In that case I must've missed it
[22:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Quite hyped up, too, just Pop's announcement thread is one of the highest voted threads in teslore all time
[22:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh believe me I know
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[22:37] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> No it wasn't, but I assume people knew it would be here that everybody would hang out
[22:37] <[color=#992e70]Yandhen[/color]> hi
[22:37] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hello.
[22:38] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> might be memospore people coming back for the event. That's the case for me
[22:38] <Nu-Sifrael> it's me
[22:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ...
[22:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Why you be clonin' yoself?
[22:38] <Nu-Sifrael> I give the memospore2 to some french people in lore
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[22:38] == mode/#memospore2 [+v MarcusFlavi] by [color=#742e99]Arena[/color]
[22:38] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hello Marcolly.
[22:39] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> Heyo
[22:39] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> Marcolly sounds like a lung disease
[22:39] <Nu-Sifrael> most of them are not used to lore talks in english, so don't come in teslore, Bethsoft lore forum, or here
[22:39] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> I'm guessing Sif's talking about french lore fans?
[22:40] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> I know you Frenchies have some neat stuff hidden on your pages
[22:40] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]>
[22:40] <Nu-Sifrael> yes
[22:40] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Not to speak of the Russians.
[22:40] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Anyway, brb.
[22:40] <[color=#2e9967]Goldrinar[/color]> Sifrael is a good teacher
[22:40] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> I stumbled on le grand bibliotheque du tamriel once (do I have the genders right?)
[22:40] <Nu-Sifrael> the PGE 2nd edition parts given in the lore forum is on a wiki, and most of it is translated
[22:41] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Who's still down for NuminatiCUZ?
[22:41] <Nu-Sifrael> la grande
[22:41] * [color=#822e99]Mojo[/color] raises two hands
[22:41] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> so down
[22:41] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> That's the converence? Or am I missing stuff?
[22:41] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> I am
[22:42] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> I think everybody is
[22:42] <Nu-Sifrael> yes
[22:42] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Cool. We're still working out the details. Website soon.
[22:42] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> "soon"
[22:42] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> What is it? I'm missing something
[22:42] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> ™
[22:42] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> (Or probably forgot about it)
[22:43] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> PGE 2 was written by French fans? I assumed it was MK
[22:43] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I'd like to get some more GMs over here for it
[22:43] * [color=#2e3399]Dovahkiin[/color] raises hand
[22:43] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> There's one
[22:43] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Oh, and there will be a playtest of my TES rpg
[22:43] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> neat
[22:43] <Nu-Sifrael> no. Translated
[22:44] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> I would if I had any idea what's going on.
[22:44] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]>
[22:44] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> @MF, it's kind of a con
[22:44] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> but not really
[22:44] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> b/c it's a cuz
[22:44] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> obviously
[22:44] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> O that, i heard about that
[22:44] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> But i can't comd
[22:44] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> Exams and money
[22:45] <Nu-Sifrael> same for me
[22:45] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> jesus, this place is busy today
[22:45] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Did I miss something?
[22:45] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> We were mainly talking about the AMA, probably attracted a lot of people because of that
[22:46] <Nu-Sifrael> You missed something ; Mk went there ! We are blessed by the ELK ;p
[22:46] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I was kidding
[22:46] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> somebody did an AMA or something
[22:46] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> yeah, didn't answer shit, either
[22:46] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> (I'm bad at detecting jokes)
[22:46] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> In combination with your username, that statement is so much funnier, oblivious.
[22:47] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> heh
[22:47] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> So if everyone behaves...
[22:47] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> Hello Mk, sorry I arrive too late, I could put you a very fast please question?
[22:47] <[color=#692e99]Valenza[/color]> Speaking of, I know there's more important stuff going on in that AMA, but I've spent the last few minutes trying to imagine Dagoth Ur's lines in Ben Linus' voice.
[22:47] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> ...and there we go
[22:47] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> lol
[22:47] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> ammusing sidenote: unlike most dictionary words, I never get "false positive" pings
[22:48] <Nu-Sifrael> Ben Linus' voice with Morroblivion graphics?
[22:48] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
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[22:48] <[color=#3c992e]%ALMSIVI_FUCKFORM[/color]> LISTEN
[22:48] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> oshiet
[22:49] <[color=#3c992e]%ALMSIVI_FUCKFORM[/color]> IF EVERYONE BEHAVES, I'LL ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HERE, BUT YOU'VE ALL GOT TO DECIDE WHICH ONE IT IS
[22:49] ==[color=#3c992e]ALMSIVI_FUCKFORM[/color] has changed nick to [color=#84992e]KMMK[/color]
[22:49] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> aw snap
[22:49] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahahaha good luck guys have fun I'll just watch.
[22:49] ==[color=#952e99]thawks[/color] has changed nick to [color=#3e2e99]thawks_afk[/color]
[22:50] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> Thank you human being, I knew that you would agree!
[22:50] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> @Manoster, sure, I'm feeling like a good sport. Make it fast.
[22:50] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I vote Mankar related cuz, Mankar. But enough of my questions have been answered so I don't much mind
[22:50] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> Mk, one day, will the caramel make an appearance in elders scrolls?
[22:50] <[color=#2e6799]+Neradac[/color]> how bout the witness? to anu/padomay/nir?
[22:50] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> You know, I'm gonna lend my support to Mankar.
[22:51] <Nu-Sifrael> these are mine. If you find one is especially worth it http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xlwr
[22:51] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> I'm still wondering about the duality, but since it got avoided I'll be a good boy and let it rest
[22:51] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> @Manoster: ...
[22:51] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> what ?
[22:51] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]>
[22:51] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> The caramel..? wat.
[22:52] <Nu-Sifrael> wasabi and caramel, maybe?
[22:52] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> If that means what I think it means, weep
[22:52] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Who's orphans are the Magne-Ge; Anu or Magnus?
[22:52] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Heh
[22:52] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I don't even.
[22:52] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Let's just go with Mankar.
[22:52] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Which one, though.
[22:52] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol yuussss
[22:53] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Right.
[22:53] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Someone else pick, I can't decide which one
[22:53] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> One question about Mankar, from the AMA. No changes.
[22:53] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Haha. Look at the nice little corner you've painted yourself into, Mojo.
[22:53] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]>
[22:53] <[color=#994a2e]+MarcusFlavi[/color]> Might as well see if someone else wants a answer. What caused vivec's duality?
[22:54] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Well, the one with the Fire Voice would be nice to get an answer to since people have been speculating since forever. At the same time, re-creation would give some more insight.
[22:54] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> I vote shared vivec/mankar line
[22:54] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Possibly even answering the former.
[22:54] <Nu-Sifrael> one of these, for those who don't want to search? http://www.reddit.co...nything/cd5xgr7
[22:54] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> Mr_Flippers would LOVE some answers
[22:54] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> So would OT
[22:54] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> myrr you are busy hanging out go away
[22:54] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> How did Mankar recreate himself? Is it similar to the Jung philosophy in that he took control of his own conception and birth? Did he do it through a Dragon Break?
[22:54] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Haha OT left a bit pissed off, mk
[22:54] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> That's my vote
[22:55] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> OT?
[22:55] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Sure, go with that. And no silliness, Elk, or Azurah will be reaaaal pissed.
[22:55] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Occupy Tamriel.
[22:55] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> ^
[22:55] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Why?
[22:55] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> MarcusFlavi: If you ask me, you can answer that one by just asking how much less of a story it would be if he weren't that.
[22:55] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> He was totally expecting you to answer all of his question.
[22:55] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> s.
[22:55] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> You didn't answer his questions
[22:55] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Understandably
[22:55] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Um, oops?
[22:55] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Which is no reason to weep. But whatever.
[22:56] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Haha pretty much.
[22:56] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> I thought he was being sarcastic
[22:56] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Anyway! Mankar question. Which one?
[22:56] <Nu-Sifrael> re-creation is a good one
[22:56] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> ^
[22:56] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> How did Mankar recreate himself? Is it similar to the Jung philosophy in that he took control of his own conception and birth? Did he do it through a Dragon Break?
[22:56] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> That's mine
[22:56] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> We only got yours, silly.
[22:56] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> I meant my vote for my many questions
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[22:56] <[color=#3e2e99]+thawks_afk[/color]> Ah.
[22:57] ==[color=#3e2e99]thawks_afk[/color] has changed nick to [color=#952e99]thawks[/color]
[22:57] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Okay then, that's probably the one.
[22:57] <Nu-Sifrael> speculation about fire voice can go in hell!
[22:57] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[22:57] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Gonna run off for a few mins.
[22:57] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahah yeah
[22:58] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> He didn't do it through a Dragon Break. He did it with the Razor, cutting his nymix back into a versioned Dawn. Think Hellraiser and you're close.
[22:58] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> O_O
[22:59] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> wowza
[22:59] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> O_O
[22:59] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Holy balls
[22:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> See? That's the kinda question we should ask more often. So many more questions.
[22:59] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> damn
[22:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Thanks, MK,.
[22:59] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> also hey KMMK
[22:59] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> were on the hangout right now
[22:59] <Nu-Sifrael> a million thanks
[22:59] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> first piece of art is done and DAAAAAAAAMN is it good
[22:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> ^
[22:59] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> oh yeah?
[22:59] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I'll be over in a sec
[22:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> It is ballers.
[22:59] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> (that's a good thing right)
[22:59] <[color=#3c992e]+RottenDeadite[/color]> Geeze that's gonna give me something ot think about.
[22:59] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> brb, guys
[23:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> And now I'm gonna run off.
[23:00] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> brb.
[23:00] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> how the fuck do I do that again?
[23:00] <Nu-Sifrael> 30 minutes next time?
[23:00] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> the hangout or #secunda?
[23:00] <[color=#63992e]+myrr-scryb[/color]> um, /msg chanserv invite #secunda
[23:00] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> secunda
[23:01] <[color=#992e2e]+SemblioSanctii[/color]> sec
[23:01] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> and then /join #secunda
[23:01] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> someone invite me
[23:01] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> done

[23:02] <Nu-Sifrael> ok, goodbye everyone. Don't forget to put an Elk on your Ruby Throne
[23:03] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Later sif
[23:03] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> night Sif!
[23:03] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> is there any context for non-gods having a nymix?
[23:03] <[color=#2e9967]Goldrinar[/color]> Good Night Sifraquenouille
[23:04] <Nu-Sifrael> oblivious, there is
[23:04] <Nu-Sifrael> http://www.imperial-...torical-society
[23:04] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> thanks
[23:04] <[color=#902e99]lilrhys[/color]> Good Night guys
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[23:04] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Night, rhys. Thanks for the stuff today
[23:04] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Damn.
[23:04] <Nu-Sifrael> Julius idly asks if Aedra have protonymics. Varinturco boldly asserts that of course Aedra have protonymics (and, in fact, the fool argues that all living things do!), but that the protonymics of Aedra, men, and mer cannot be "spelled, pronounced, or ennumerated" in the Mundus. Not only would it be ineffective, it would be literally unknowable. Varinturco claims to be quoting a book by some crazy Altmer who lives in a giant clock, as if that gives his argument any additional weight. Varinturco rambles on ab
[23:04] <Nu-Sifrael> If this is what you are talking about
[23:04] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> ah, that's why my google-fu was failing. "nymix" vs "nymic"
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[23:05] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> back
[23:05] <Nu-Sifrael> and, it should be taken with caution. Strange things are said in this text
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[23:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> So MK,
[23:06] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> I asked you for a song in the AMA.
[23:06] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> ?
[23:07] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Og, right
[23:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Don't worry, you ain't gotta have to sing
[23:07] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> thawks we will sing Varanus RULE SECUNDA! SECUNDA RULE THE WORLD! on the hangout
[23:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> "What's your favourite genre of music? Got a sample for us? "
[23:07] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I'm done with that AMA, man. I'm exhausted.
[23:07] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> (The void actually)
[23:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Aw man.
[23:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Was hoping for some musix.
[23:07] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Will wait for next time, then
[23:08] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Yeah, we'll do it again.
[23:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Also eff you guys and your limited spaces
[23:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> You better record it YOU HEAR ME 3C
[23:08] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Probably after Prophet is released.
[23:08] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]>
[23:08] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> In a few weeks, then.
[23:08] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> oh yeah
[23:09] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Sounds awesome
[23:09] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> you dropped that bomb on us today
[23:09] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> more than 60 pages
[23:09] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> yeah, I might go in and answer a few rather than do another one of those triathalon motherfuckers
[23:09] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> C0DA will be a blast i assume
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[23:09] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> C0DA is the best thing
[23:09] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Aw. Bye Aeo.
[23:09] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Ada, what was your reaction to it?
[23:10] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> to what?
[23:10] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> C0DA?
[23:10] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Chris, Kasper, and Morgan have all read it.
[23:10] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Oh mai.
[23:10] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> yessir
[23:10] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> My reaction: O_O
[23:10] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> It's the one that was needed.
[23:10] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahaha.
[23:10] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> nice
[23:10] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> The waiting for this is killing me
[23:10] <[color=#422e99]Adanorcil[/color]> The rug that ties the room together.
[23:10] <[color=#2e3399]!Dovahkiin[/color]> Yep.
[23:10] <[color=#992e75]trexalfa_[/color]> Well this was fun. Thanks for the AMA MK, and see you all later guys!
[23:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Damn teases.
[23:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Later trex!
[23:11] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol
[23:11] <Nu-Sifrael> What is evil?
[23:11] <Nu-Sifrael> teasing.
[23:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahahaha.
[23:11] <Nu-Sifrael> Vehk said this, I agree
[23:11] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> I really don't want to tease it. It's the art that's taking so long.
[23:11] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> That text never stops being relevant.
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[23:11] <Nu-Sifrael> what my beloved AE the Relevance
[23:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Yes, quite.
[23:12] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> They're all sworn to secrecy, too, so don't bug 'em about it.
[23:12] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> that would be stupid anyway. spoilers sawk
[23:12] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hah, I don't know about anyone else, but I know better than that.
[23:13] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> lol eah
[23:13] <[color=#2e9967]Goldrinar[/color]> Good night everybody.
[23:13] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> As if they'd tell
[23:13] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> yeah*
[23:13] <Nu-Sifrael> night'
[23:13] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Night!
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[23:13] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> I didn't recognize any of the names, so no worries!
[23:14] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> all right, guys, Imma eat and then me and the woman are gonna go kill some Bad Persians in Splinter Cell.
[23:14] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Haha. Have fun.
[23:14] <[color=#992e2e]+SemblioSanctii[/color]> cya
[23:14] <[color=#822e99]+Mojo[/color]> Take care Michael. Stay good
[23:14] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Later!
[23:14] <[color=#2e9995]oblivious[/color]> goodbye, thanks for the answers
[23:14] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> Good luck killing Middle Eastern people
[23:14] <[color=#2e2e99]+Thrice-Crooked[/color]> cya MK
[23:14] <[color=#942e99]Xeno_[/color]> thank you, again
[23:14] <[color=#84992e]%KMMK[/color]> Thanks for all the fun questions. We'll talk soon.
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[23:15] <Nu-Sifrael> caramel, really?
[23:15] <[color=#952e99]+thawks[/color]> Hahahahahahahaha
[23:15] <Nu-Sifrael> Manoster is an absolute fan of caramel
[23:16] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> CARAMEL ?
[23:16] <[color=#2e9933]Manoster[/color]> WHERE ?